Alpha Flight TV Show/Movie?

[hydro]

With superhero movies and tv shows ruling the world at the moment .. Do you think Alpha Flight would be most successful now as a movie or a TV show?

My thoughts that sparked the question ...

1. Guardians of the Galaxy was a lesser known comic, yet it was made into a movie and got good enough reviews to continue the project. It's currently a cartoon as well.
- Side Note: If done right, Alpha Flight could take a gamble like Guardians and be the next best thing. If it fails? I have no answer for that. Hopefully someone here does.


2. (opinion) We do have all these marvel shows on TV with popular characters but it's truly Netflix that's kicking some butt. Maybe there's a reason Supergirl, The Flash and Arrow are "family friendly." Think about how YOU want the series. Dark (netflix) or lightened up for everyone to see (CW)?
- Side Note: Having it as a TV show gives it a chance to fully tell/express the origin story.
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Just for fun .. Tell me YOUR Alpha Flight

If they made a movie what story would they tell? Which characters would/should they choose?

If it was TV show how do you think it would be adapted for TV. A solo character slowly finding the team and introducing everyone's origin story? The entire team is already together and later on in an episode they give an origin story of a single character and so on? Identical to the comics?

[Legerd]

I'd go the animated series route as it would be cheaper than CG'ing Sasquatch, Box, the Great Beasts, Wendigo, etc. and superhero costumes usually don't translate well into the real world. Plus, the right voice talent can really make a show.

I would have the team already assembled and flashback to their formation/individual character introduction as the story demands. I wouldn't keep it identical to the comics since AF first showed up in the Uncanny X-men as (sort of) villains. I would prefer they came together as heroes protecting Canada from a threat rather than as hired thugs working for a corrupt gov't agency.

[Phil]

For every Guardians there's a Catwoman.

For every Arrow there's a Constantine.

There's never a guarantee. I highly doubt AF would be well received, personally. I'd like to be proved wrong though.

[Yankee]

The problem with making an Alpha Flight movie', would be in order to make sense they would almost have to do what they did for the avengers is give the team members their own independent flicks before the final team up movie, and that would not be financially smart as they are nowhere near as recognizable as the Avengers. I could see them doing a Netflix show where the first season is all these 1 hour episodes, each one telling the story of a different AF member before the AF formed, and then the finale is Hudson bringing them all together.

Episode 1. Essentially this would tell the story of Hudson making the guardian suit, then stealing it when he finds out its purpose. A big key here would be to not let people think hes just a Canadian iron man. This would introduce Mac and Heather as well as Gary Cody
Episode 2. Sasquatch. Walters origin story, only I'd throw in a supervillian for him to fight at the end unlike the comic
Episode 3. Northstar/Aurora. I would change their comic origin in that I would not have them be seperated at birth, simply for sake of time and the interests of the casual viewer. I would have them both be raised at the school by the nuns, but NS runs away when he's a teenager. The majority of this episode would take place during NS's separatist days.
Episode 4. Shaman. Make it the exact same origin story in the comic, almost verbatim. The trick here though is to make the mystic rituals as close to whatever rituals the actual Sarcee medicine men perform, not relying on the comics portrayal. This is to deal with any potential criticism of the native community seeing him as a stereotype and also allow more realism to permeate the story.
Episode 5. Puck this would be a story half told in flash back. Half would be the black blade of Baghdad story and the other would be The issue 5 puck in hospital tracks down drug dealers story. This two narratives would be interwoven with each other flipping back and forth throughout the episode,
Episode 6. Snowbird again make the origin verbatim from comics.
Episode 7. Marrina origin verbatim, but kept the alien nature hidden for reveal.
Episode 8. Mac begins his search to form alpha flight, here he runs into several b. Characters into what will become Beta Flight: I'm thinking Diamond Lil, one of the Boxes, Wild Child, and two of the others ( I'd love seeing a live action St. Elmo)
Episode 9. Mac begins assembling the A. team
episodes 10-12 3 part finale where the team deals with their first threat. likely the marrina master arc, or the plot from First Flight

[Phil]

The problem with making an Alpha Flight movie', would be in order to make sense they would almost have to do what they did for the avengers is give the team members their own independent flicks before the final team up movie,

I genuinely don't think any of the Alphans would warrant a solo film.

[Yankee]

I genuinely don't think any of the Alphans would warrant a solo film.
I agree there. I'm just saying if they throw the Alphans all on screen at once, particularly with no crossover (ie non comic fans) character like wolverine to grab their attention, a team up right at the start wouldn't work either. If they ever make alpha slight, it'll either be as a Netflix series, or an animated series. But neither are very likely to happen.

[Phil]

Alpha's strongest chance is their ties to Wolverine.
Guardian, Vindicator, Marrina, Shaman, Snowbird & Sasquatch would work as they fit a niche not seen in the Fox-verse (Alien + Mythical aspect).

[Yankee]

Alpha's strongest chance is their ties to Wolverine.
Guardian, Vindicator, Marrina, Shaman, Snowbird & Sasquatch would work as they fit a niche not seen in the Fox-verse (Alien + Mythical aspect).
i completey agree on their strongest chance being through Wolverine.
I think Puck might be able to work as well in that regard, as it is a mystical force that causes his reduced height and remaining forever young. Plus in the comics they always hinted on a shared past between Puck and Wolverine. (albeit according to them they never got a glimpse of each other during that past, as they worked in the shadows).

[Tawmis]

Netflix. So I voted show. Because they're killing it with Netflix.

[Le Messor]

I wouldn't vote Netflix - they work by being dark, gritty, and street-level; three things Alpha shouldn't be.

~ Le Messor
"Find a niche and scratch it."
~ Anonymous

[seajones]

jack black as puck... movie all the way

[Yankee]

I wouldn't vote Netflix - they work by being dark, gritty, and street-level; three things Alpha shouldn't be.

~ Le Messor
"Find a niche and scratch it."
~ Anonymous

I actually agree with that. It should have more of the tone of the avengers in terms of super heroes just doing super heroes things. You can have mature storylines running through out. NOw I have no problem with dark and gritty (my fav character in all of comics is Deadpool for crying out loud) but it and alpha flight don't gel. Like in volume 4 when brainwashed heather blew her cousins brains out and cracked a one liner while doing it, that did not belong at all.

[Yankee]

jack black as puck... movie all the way

When I think of puck it's a cross between Peter Dinklage and Martin Klebba ( Randall from Scrubs)

[hydro]

Tawmis - I also agree with wanting to see it on Netflix.

Yankee - Thank you so much for the detailed Season 1 breakdown! If a producer/writer were to see this ... you just made their job A LOT easier.

Legerd - An animated series wouldn't be a bad idea either. I also agree that it wouldn't be cost effective with all the CGI work that would need to be used. If it was made into an actual live action show I would think they'd do an XMEN Beast type of make up with Sasquatch. Having a 10 foot hairy Hulk would just cost too much. The Flash was able to get away with it 3 different times I believe (2 with the Gorilla and once with the Shark).

Le Messor - The origin story seems pretty dark to me (Guardian being deceived, Pucks encounter with Black Blade of Raazer, Aurora's mental health). While the entire story may not fit into the Netflix bubble , I do like the idea of seeing it develop in that dark and semi real life world they've created. The fight scenes they've been choreographing on Daredevil have been quite amazing.

[Le Messor]

The origins aren't Netflix dark. And we don't speak of Raazer. :)

~ Le Messor
"First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to."
~ Epictetus

[Yankee]

I'm torn on liking or disliking the raazer aspect of pucks character. I loved how it served as the point where Judd "transformed" from the somewhat self-centered and morally ambiguous mercenary into a hero. and I loved the internal debate this caused puck later when he was feeling inadequate in terms of his feelings for heather. I do wish though that raazer wasn't the reason Puck is a dwarf, I feel he should have just been a dwarf naturally, especially since Byrnes dialogue repeatedly states that to be the case

[Phil]

I like the Raazer aspect, just not the fact that Judd was once tall.
Had Raazer just taken him over and caused him to age slower/be cursed with immortality I'd have been fine with it.

[Mekko Hotvle]

I would start the show off as an animated tv show as a build up, Sat morning cartoons, syndication what not. What kid would not enjoy seeing a big furry good guy and a dwarf saving the world on Sat mornings.

When starting out the live action, I would beg Hugh Jackman to do voiceover narration as Wolverine for half a season as a way to introduce the team to give them a little rub at the same time. Not necessarily putting him in the show.

I would also hope for some kind of comic-motion movie/ arc like Marvel did with Astonishing X-men for a while.

[hydro]

This is just MY opinion.

I'm seriously getting so into this! Has anyone seen the Mortal Kombat: Legacy series (Just part 1) on youtube? I'll provide a link(s) after my comment.

The reason I'm mentioning this is because as of right now it seems that an Alpha Flight show would be suited best (Netflix OR Animated). Hoping to see it taken seriously, and in live action, I can't think of a better way of wanting to see the AF origins told than in this similar fashion. Of course as many mentioned before, it wouldn't be ideal to have it stay this dark as they ARE supposed to be REAL super heroes. Avenger type heroes. Maybe a well done online series can spark interest towards the right people.



Mortal Kombat (Each episode is roughly 12 minutes long)

Episode 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s6UiEuCYXA) - Jax, Sonya and Kano (Part 1)
Episode 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTSEa--Alkw) - Jax, Sonya and Kano (Part 2)
Episode 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqlaU5OMsks) - Johnny Cage
Episode 4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIFbGNqs0JQ) - Kitana and Mileena (Part 1)
Episode 5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzS_gt3LDxI) - Kitana and Mileena (Part 2)
Episode 6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tWh4Z42SJk) - Raiden
Episode 7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Wnc8OyUj0) - Subzero and Scorpion (Part 1)
Episode 8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQv-kYsclSM) - Subzero and Scorpion (Part 2)
Episode 9 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxkHS5tTcuM) - Cyrax and Sector

If you dont want to watch it then just check out the trailer . Same effect.

TRAILER (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGnVhqhmip8) <---

[Mekko Hotvle]

MK:Legacy was been a good series. MK:Legacy II is okay.

[hydro]

MK:Legacy was been a good series. MK:Legacy II is okay.

Yes, Legacy was amazing. I thought Legacy 2 was horrible though. I didn't even think it was worth delivering the way they did.

[hydro]

If this project were actually given the ok to be made into a modern day superhero TV Show... Which characters would make the cut? I believe some would have to be adapted and/or changed. Going off of what Yankee wrote (since I loved his detailed breakdown).




Here's my PICK with origin ideas and changes made to Yankee's list.

James Hudson.
Instead of stealing the suit he puts a terminal virus into the computers hosting/carrying the prints to the suit and helmet, also sabotaging the suit so they can't reverse engineer it. He then walks out with the helmet which he later on redesigns into what he has now. The original helmet should look like the protective ones they actually use in oil rigs/construction. In my opinion this will help reduce the chances of seeing a copycat/rip off iron-man suit. His new suit should be a play on the John Wraith (http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/6/60/Vindicator-%28Earth-1610%29.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/212?cb=20100220223800) version.

Sasquatch
He should have a SIMILAR origin story, but his look should be closer to Sabretooth and Beast when transformed. A naked person walking around wouldn't work. Being able to control his "Hulk" should also give him the ability to look less overgrown as a mutated Hulk; less side effects and more of the good stuff. This would require a large man to play the part. He's supposed to be a retired NFL football player. It's more cost effective and less worrisome on the quality of CGI.

Northstar/Aurora
I feel indifferent about the origin story or changing it. If changed slightly, The origin should tell the tale of 2 couples trying to have babies. 1 being successful and the other failing. The accident should include both children being in the car, finally discharged from the hospital. The accident was caused by a wealthy man who's wife just miscarried a child for the 3rd time. In a rage/sorrow state, not paying attention, the car hits a pothole hard enough to viciously turn the wheel. He finds parents are dead, only hears the scream of 1 baby, phones it in as he takes the one child (Northstar) to raise as his own. This trauma/injury could help explain what triggered and/or lead into Aurora's mental health issues. While growing up, even though they don't know of one another.. it should be that they are always near and for some reason feel even stronger when the other is around. They just don't know it or who. I like THESE OUTFITS (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/42/3a/77/423a7708ed22caec8ecd8c6a67d84e46.jpg) better.

Shaman
I can't see him being an actual hero in THIS live action series. A Native American looking character dressed the way he is in the comics and walking around like that? To me, he should have the exact same origin, but keep him as a supporting character. He should be the team doctor and healer. The same way Rosario Dawson is Daredevils nurse. Like Yankee wrote - his performance when doing rituals should be as close to the real Sarcee practice as possible. I just don't see native hand to hand combat while whispering mystic ritual spells and then pulling out dust from a fanny pack. If he has to be a major player then he should be changed into having mannerisms like the Scarlet Witch. Dust his hands in the pouch before fulfilling his spell Sarcee style.

Puck
How do we fix his costume? And that P?
His origin story should be slightly altered. His ties to the military should be from only having attended military schools, being among the brightest in his schools, but having no interest to serve for the sole purpose of being a soldier in combat. He's a University History professor with a PhD in Anthropology. He gets confronted one day after a lecture by a General and a good friend of his from the military's science/research department. They tell him about the Black Blade of Baghdad and if he can find it and retrieve it. He has every intention of getting it, selling the original for profit and delivering a fake to the military. In his quest, he finds it, it becomes activated by his touch of known betrayal. He hears noises of someone following him (the army sent watchmen) and as he turns around to snatch the blade that's when Black Raazer, having already taken some of his life force to become a presence, stabs him in the chest.

While they're explaining where the blade may be to Puck, it should give a flashback of a Persian man named Razer/Raazer with mediocre magic. He's poor and uses it to steal. He gets tricked into stealing from the wrong person who happens to be a sorcerer who binds his life to the blade?



The rest needs really good writers. I'm definitely not one, but I hope you guys can see the direction i'm going in. Sorry for the lengthy posts. I'm just really loving everything about this.

[hydro]

Does anyone know which AF characters Fox may own the rights to through X-men and maybe Wolverine?

[Sypes]

I think the easiest would be to make Alpha Flight into an animated series... at first. That way, it introduces the characters to a new market and allows their popularity to grow. Following that, introduce them as "side attractions" to either a Wolverine / X-men movie or maybe the next Deadpool one (he is Canadian after all). If the characters poll well with the public, do a spin off on Netflix.

It's the easier way and most likely the cheapest way to take it one step at the time.

[hydro]

Does anyone remember seeing an Alpha Flight screen saver on Peter Dinklage's laptop in X Men: Days of Future Past?

[Phil]

Does anyone know which AF characters Fox may own the rights to through X-men and maybe Wolverine?

Nope.
We won't know, till we see it.

[Phil]

Does anyone remember seeing an Alpha Flight screen saver on Peter Dinklage's laptop in X Men: Days of Future Past?

I don't, but then again I disliked the film.
I can't imagine that's true though.

[Le Messor]

Does anyone remember seeing an Alpha Flight screen saver on Peter Dinklage's laptop in X Men: Days of Future Past?

Can you be more specific? When in the movie was it?
I have the Blu-Ray, but I don't remember that.

There were references to AF on a computer screen in #2, though.

~ Le Messor
"Flattery is alright--if you don't inhale."
~ Adlai Stevenson.

[Mekko Hotvle]

I do remember some kind of reference to AF in an XM movie but I am not sure which one. Outside of the movies, the last AF reference I heard was in Agents of SHIELD season 1 in regards to Dept H.

[Le Messor]

There have been:
Numerous references on a computer screen in X-2 (Beta Flight at least, a couple of others. Apparently a couple of Alphan names on morgue drawers.)
Wolverine: Origins had a character named Heather Hudson, who played a not dissimilar role to our Heather (found Logan, nursed him back to health). For some reason, her husband was named 'Travis', and they were played by Jonathan and Martha Kent.
A newspaper in Ant-Man mentioned sasquatch (but the commentary made it clear the director only knew about bigfoot, not Walter).
The Dept H mention on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

~ Le Messor
"For greed, all nature is too little."
~ Seneca, Roman statesman and author

[Mekko Hotvle]

Which AF member would be the most likely to have a solo tv show?

I am going to say Puck. with cameos from other members along the way and on the last show of the season, he runs into his daughter.

[Le Messor]

Yeah, Puck. It'd be a lower-concept show, more like a Netflix show.
Either that or an exploration of worlds of magic.

~ Le Messor
"Genius is the ability to reduce the complicated to the simple."
~ C.W. Ceran

[Bill P]

I can visualize a Puck series. Him working at a bar, going up against someone like Deadly Ernest.

[Le Messor]

We've basically seen Deadly Earnest (or at least his origin) on an episode of The X-Files, so that'd work.

~ Le Messor
"God looks at the clean hands, not the full ones."
~ Publilius Syrus

[Mekko Hotvle]

What if Crackle, which if I read correctly is part of Sony, was to do a AF show/movie deal. Grant it, they do reruns of old shows but they do have original content on there was as well. They have Supermansion, an animation show of off the wall superheros (don't let your kids watch) and The Throwaways, which is basically like The Losers. I would still like to see a Puck/Puck II miniseries. I would also suggest doing anther father/daughter type show with Shaman and Elizabeth, as compared to a Puck/Puck II show, Shaman/Elizabeth would be the more serious with the tone of I hate my father/ What more can I do to get her to love me reconcile kind of show.

[Canucklehead]

I have no idea where to put MCU rumours, but Sharon Stone says she will be in a future Marvel movie and a rumour is Abigail Brand.
If true, could we possibly see S.W.O.R.D. or the Alpha Flight Space Station in the Captain Marvel movie?


http://www.newsarama.com/29679-sharon-stone-brings-her-brand-to-the-mcu.html

[Le Messor]

That's entirely possible. That'd be cool.

I assume it'd be Peter Dinklage as Puck, if that's what we see. I'd like to see their Sasquatch!

~ Le Messor
"History teaches us that when a barbarian race confronts a sleeping culture, the barbarian always wins."
~ Arnold Toynbee

[Mekko Hotvle]

Slow News day....so I read and article saying that Kevin Smith, yes that Kevin Smith who wrote and directed Clerks and other small cult-following films, is interested in directing an episode or two of either Dare Devil and/or The Defenders. I saying that, he appears to be a big fan of Canada, so that builds up to this: How would you feel if Kevin Smith was to write and direct an Alpha Flight tv show or movie? I think this has been asked before but just rehashing the topic.

[Le Messor]

I wouldn't like it. I think his style and tone are completely unsuited to Alpha Flight.
He's too grungy.

The only 'advantage' to having him would be that he'd bring popularity - but I don't read an obscure comic because I'm chasing popularity. Nor Amy, but that's a different story.

~ Le Messor
"Hope is a light diet, but very stimulating."
~ Balzac

[Mekko Hotvle]

but I don't read an obscure comic because I'm chasing popularity. Nor Amy, but that's a different story.

~ Le Messor
"Hope is a light diet, but very stimulating."
~ Balzac

Wordplay at it finest...well played, Sir, well played.

[Le Messor]

:) It just sort of came to me as I was writing.

[PlaidMouse]

I would love to see an AF movie/show done by Kevin Smith. How about a radio/audio series, like Big Finish does with Doctor Who?