Captain America: Civil War

[Mekko Hotvle]

Who has seen Captain America: Civil War? What are your thoughts on it?

I thought it was a good movie. A great way to end the CA trilogy. Thought deep down, I was hoping the end of credits scene would have been the death of Captain America or at least show Superheros/Villians crossing the Canadian border.

[Tawmis]

I have NO complaints about the movie. Already seen it twice. :)

[Phil]

Yup yup, saw it last month when it opened this side of the world.
Really enjoyed it.
I was worried it'd get too crowded but everyone had their moments and it was still definitely a Cap film and the logical path of the trilogy, plot wise.

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The Peter Parker scene was my favourite bit, so, so good. Definitely the best on screen Peter yet.

[Tawmis]

Yup yup, saw it last month when it opened this side of the world.
Really enjoyed it.
I was worried it'd get too crowded but everyone had their moments and it was still definitely a Cap film and the logical path of the trilogy, plot wise.

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The Peter Parker scene was my favourite bit, so, so good. Definitely the best on screen Peter yet.

Agreed. Such a well done Spider-Man.

[Mekko Hotvle]

Agreed. Such a well done Spider-Man.

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I enjoyed how they worked Black Panther into the mix and at the end. I was also impressed by the new Spider-man. and seeing Marissa Tomei took my breath away. She is still hot!

[Phil]

Agreed. Such a well done Spider-Man.
Ahh, see, now that's not what I said.
I disagree on that point.

[Tawmis]

Ahh, see, now that's not what I said.
I disagree on that point.

Am I misreading what you said?

The Peter Parker scene was my favourite bit, so, so good. Definitely the best on screen Peter yet.

Oh.I see. You liked him as Peter Parker, but not as Spider-Man?
What is it about the Spider-Man portion that you didn't like?

[Mekko Hotvle]

And this makes this my 200th post and its a question for Phil

What did you think of the Black Panther part of the movie?

[Yankee]

Who has seen Captain America: Civil War? What are your thoughts on it?

I thought it was a good movie. A great way to end the CA trilogy. Thought deep down, I was hoping the end of credits scene would have been the death of Captain America or at least show Superheros/Villians crossing the Canadian border.


But it it wasn't an American agreement it was a UN pact, of which 117 countries were signatories. Unless Canada wasn't one of the 117, crossing into Canada wouldnt help. And I thougroughly enjoyed the movie from beginning to the finish line. And I liked Spider-Man both in costume and as Peter Parker.

[Tawmis]

And this makes this my 200th post

Congrats! Look at you with all those maple leafs above your name!

They grow up so fast...

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[Canucklehead]

I thought Spider-Man was perfect. You can tell he's incredibly strong but very inexperienced. I'm going to love watching him grow over the next few movies.

[Phil]

Oh.I see. You liked him as Peter Parker, but not as Spider-Man?
What is it about the Spider-Man portion that you didn't like?

I thought Spider-Man was perfect. You can tell he's incredibly strong but very inexperienced.
It was only a minor quibble, but for someone that inexperienced he fought too well.
And the audio really didn't synch up well. I'd be interested to know how much of that scene was actually Holland and hope much was a stunt double.


What did you think of the Black Panther part of the movie?
He wasn't outstanding, but it was a nice introduction, and definitely the right amount of screentime.
I thought the balance between regal and vigilante was really well done.
I liked his bodyguard a lot and hope she features more in the film.
I wasn't 100% on Everett Ross though.
I also like the way the ending has set up his solo film, but hope Winter Solider doesn't take up too much of it.
And that we see more of Klaw than we did in AoU

[Tawmis]

It was only a minor quibble, but for someone that inexperienced he fought too well.


I got the impression, he had been doing his Spider-Man thing - at least for awhile.
Because they mention all the Spider-Man videos on Youtube.
And Tony Stark has that video of him stopping a car from slamming into the bus.
So that, to me, set up that, Peter's been doing this Spider-Man thing for awhile. We just haven't seen it, as viewers.



I also like the way the ending has set up his solo film, but hope Winter Solider doesn't take up too much of it.
And that we see more of Klaw than we did in AoU

I don't think Winter Soldier taking up Black Panther's movie is going to be a problem... Since, he's back on ice.

[Canucklehead]

I got the impression, he had been doing his Spider-Man thing - at least for awhile.
Because they mention all the Spider-Man videos on Youtube.
And Tony Stark has that video of him stopping a car from slamming into the bus.
So that, to me, set up that, Peter's been doing this Spider-Man thing for awhile. We just haven't seen it, as viewers.

Yeah, I found he had skill with the webshooters, but little to no skill in experienced gifted enemies. They didn't really touch upon his spider-sense. I think with more experience, he would be able to see the surprises coming (ie Ant-Man shield sneak attack and Falcon's Red Wing Grappler). By the time Infinity War 2 comes along, I'm going to assume he's one of the most important and powerful players.


I don't think Winter Soldier taking up Black Panther's movie is going to be a problem... Since, he's back on ice.

He is on ice... In Wakanda. Missing a metal arm. Too bad that Wakanda isn't famous for advanced metals. Oh wait.

[Phil]

I got the impression, he had been doing his Spider-Man thing - at least for awhile.
Because they mention all the Spider-Man videos on Youtube.
And Tony Stark has that video of him stopping a car from slamming into the bus.
So that, to me, set up that, Peter's been doing this Spider-Man thing for awhile. We just haven't seen it, as viewers.
Yeah, he's been doing it for a bit, but he still shouldn't be able to beat two combat veterans in hand to hand fighting, at that stage in his 'career'.

[Le Messor]

Here's the review I emailed to a few people afterwards. It's kinda long (TL;DNR: is good.)

(Trying not to be spoilery.)



I have a habit; I think some of you share it. When I don't agree with what I'm seeing in a movie or comic, I refuse to call it by its official name. When Linkara talks about All-Star Batman And Robin, he calls the first title character 'Crazy Steve', in honour of the crazy hobo wearing Batman's costume. I'll talk about Heath Ledger as a great villain in The Dark Knight, but not by the name the screenwriters call him. As an Alpha Flight fan, I'll speak of Volume 2, but never call that 'Alpha Flight'.

I have never, ever meant this as a good thing.

Until now.


Marvel's Civil War doesn't focus on Captain America specifically, and I think it's a better movie for it. The best you could say is, it continues the Winter Soldier story from, well, Captain America: The Winter Soldier; but even then, this one doesn't need Cap's name attached to it. The movie continues the stories of characters from earlier movies, specifically the new Avengers: Vision and the Scarlet Witch; and expands the MCU with a couple of major new characters (you probably already know who they are).
I could call this Avengers: Civil War, but the new characters and The Winter Soldier aren't Avengers in the MCU. Yet. (They all have been in the comics; but who hasn't? Okay, most of Alpha Flight, but, y'know...) Oh, and a couple of movie Avengers are missing.

How does it fare as an adaptation?
Terrible.
I loved this movie. It's going to hang around in the top half of Marvel movies for me. The comic book Civil War... not so much.
Compared to the comics, this was a balanced, two-sided exploration of the issues (those who haven't read the comics express disagreement). It was sooooo much better than the Event comic it was based on - and I was always worried that it'd be a bad movie because of said comic.

The worst thing I'm going to say about it is (and this is praising with faint damnation, believe me), I wish they hadn't named a particular character 'Zemo'. He had nothing in common, nothing, with his comics counterpart, and there was no need to use up that name on him.
Similarly, I was a tiny bit disappointed in Crossbones - they used a couple of smears of paint to give us a sense that they'd seen his comic costume, and that's it. That's all we'll ever see of either of these characters in the movies (I expect).
(I'd have preferred if Redwing was a real bird, too, to the shock of nobody.)

Those are all purist nitpicks. Non-readers aren't going to notice; I don't even hugely care about any of them. - If fans of any of the above wants to go on a ranty complain about them, I won't argue back, but not one of these even approached dealbreaker territory for me.

This was a spectacular, fun movie, with a lot of character.

It had its subtle moments (I like the bit where we find out what happens when a cat meets a bird :).)
I recommend it, and it is a marvelous continuation of the MCU.

[Yankee]

The worst thing I'm going to say about it is (and this is praising with faint damnation, believe me), I wish they hadn't named a particular character 'Zemo'. He had nothing in common, nothing, with his comics counterpart, and there was no need to use up that name on him.

the thing with Zemo is, while I one hundred percent agree that the Zemo in the movie acts nothing like the Zemo in the comic, Zemo was was probably the show stealer of the movie, basically the exact opposite of every other main villan in the marvel movies so far in terms of he had no visions of world domination or conquest,he simply wanted to tear the group that he's blames for the death of his family apart, Now Yes I would have much rather he been named after a villain which was closer in the comics to the performance we got on screen like say Aleksander Lushkin from the winter soldier arc, ( it didn't even have to be a cap specific villain, just someone with character motivations that Daniel Bruhl expertly portrayed on screen.) but in the end yes like you said it's a nitpick. What I just find hilarious is that they get Hugo weaving, a Brit (I think in case I'm wrong and he turns out to be Amerian) to play the German Red Skull, and then they get Daniel Bruhl, an actual german to play Zemo, but then they change the characters nationality in the movie to be sokovian. Not a complaint just got a chuckle out of it

[Le Messor]

(Apologies, Yankee - I edited most of my post out of yours, except the relevant line.)

I had no problem with the character of Zemo in the movie, I even liked him as a character and agree with you that he had great motivation; I just wish they'd given him a different name. You've even named somebody who'd have been a better name for him. :)

Hugo Weaving is an Aussie.

~ Le Messor
"Heads that are filled with wisdom have little space left for conceit."
~ Anonymous

[Mokole]

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For me, Spider-man was the best thing in the whole movie. Far and away. Iron Man was good but the movie would've made more sense without the 'accord' nonsense. Black Panther and Ant-Man were also good. Also would have been much, much better if someone had died, not by 'accident' either.

Everyone I went with thought it had too much 'okay, that made no sense' points. Why did Tony need to watch his back, he didn't do anything wrong. Hawkeye is so upset, doesn't get that people wouldn't appreciate him helping a mass murderer escape custody? Why did Cap hate the accords, all movie he was concerned with protecting Bucky? Bucky killed many, many people, who's to say he was brainwashed the whole time? Why did ol' Bucky never do anything about it? Why couldn't they deprogram him? Why was Cap so afraid of Bucky, a mass murderer, going to trial? Why did Falcon want Iron Man to go alone, only makes sense if he's working for Zemo. Zemo's plan was ridiculous, given what went on in the movie., and how did absolutely no one clue in to him at any time, ever, despite all the evidence? It goes from SHIELD has great recognition tech to their tech is from the 70's, depending on need. They didn't make enough of how uncontrollable Scarlet Witch's power is, though they touched on it enough, that she is a walking time bomb no matter how much training she gets. How did a camera wind up there, showing off what Bucky did, on some hick road in who-knows-where America? So Howard Stark was in his 80's, based on the movies, when he died, he and his wife sure had kids late, really late. And why destroy the airport, kind of makes Stark's point for him, rather hugely, since it was Caps' forces destroying multiple vehicles, planes, the entire airport!

Cap had blinders on the whole movie, everything had to be a fight. No brains, no pain I guess. An okay movie but too much forced writing to keep it together. We liked it well enough but it goes in the B pile, not close to A grade. So Cap is now a criminal, attacking the Raft and all. Law and order don't have a place in his life anymore, he's the Law.