No Northstar Is No Happy...

[cmdrkoenig67]

I miss Northstar. The X-Men offices still have a claim on him? He isn't being used in any X-book that we know of, why not let him be used in Captain Marvel (with his sister)?

It seems especially important for gay folks to be visible right now, why us Marvel ignoring him? I'd really like to see him being used somewhere in the Marvel U.

We could say the almost same about Madison Jefffries (being a former Alphan who is being largely ignored by the X-book creators, not that he's gay).

Dana

[Phil]

I like that Northstar's not in CM as it gives Aurora some spotlight and chance to shine without her brother.

I do agree that he should be used though.

And the same with MadJef.
I liked that Fraction used him as Forge was 'dead' so was slightly disappointed when Hopeless brought Forge back for Cable & X-Force, and that Lemire carried on using him.

[Tawmis]

I like that Northstar's not in CM as it gives Aurora some spotlight and chance to shine without her brother.

I do agree that he should be used though.

And the same with MadJef.
I liked that Fraction used him as Forge was 'dead' so was slightly disappointed when Hopeless brought Forge back for Cable & X-Force, and that Lemire carried on using him.

I agree that it's nice to see Aurora do her own thing.

But yes, Northstar should be used somewhere.

And as for Forge... no one stays dead. Ever.

[Le Messor]

I like that Northstar's not in CM as it gives Aurora some spotlight and chance to shine without her brother.

... but her powers don't work that way.


Yes, I know what you meant, it's just your comment tied in so well with their power set, and technically after Walt's changes to her they do and...
~ Le Messor
"How poor are they who have not patience! What wound did ever heal but by degrees?"
~ William Shakespeare

[Canucklehead]

... but her powers don't work that way.

lol nice

[Human Fly]

They should play up her split personalties...maybe her powers manifest differently depending on the person she is. Hard to show this however as she just a supporting cast member with limited space on the panels.

[Le Messor]

That different power per personality has happened before (Legion), but it's never been part of Aurora's power set in the past... not exactly.
(Jeanne-Marie once said that Aurora stops her from using flight, though.)

~ Le Messor
"I am never afraid of what I know."
~ Anna Sewell, Black Beauty

[Tawmis]

That different power per personality has happened before (Legion), but it's never been part of Aurora's power set in the past... not exactly.
(Jeanne-Marie once said that Aurora stops her from using flight, though.)


Beat me to it. It'd be too much like Legion.

[Phil]

We might get to see him in 'Death Of X'
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/cyclops-fate-mutant-inhumans-war-revealed-in-marvels-death-of-x

Hopefully not dead though!

[Mokole]

"Death of X" is just Marvel trying to make the Inhumans a thing bigger than the mutants since the mutants are owned by others. Hence the retconn that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch aren't mutants or related to Magneto, that Terrigen Crystals/Mist can kill mutants when for over 30 years mutants have been exposed to Terrigen with zero negative effects, some positive. Sad story idea now, to me. Magneto Cyclops being dead is good to me, they can move on to more positive stories, but they decided no, better to go backward and fight the Inhumans again to raise the Inhumans' stature in the public's eyes before their movie.

[Phil]

More on Death Of X (and possibly Northstar) here: http://alphaflight.net/content.php?943-Northstar-Dies-With-The-X

[Tawmis]

"Death of X" is just Marvel trying to make the Inhumans a thing bigger than the mutants since the mutants are owned by others. Hence the retconn that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch aren't mutants or related to Magneto, that Terrigen Crystals/Mist can kill mutants when for over 30 years mutants have been exposed to Terrigen with zero negative effects, some positive. Sad story idea now, to me. Magneto Cyclops being dead is good to me, they can move on to more positive stories, but they decided no, better to go backward and fight the Inhumans again to raise the Inhumans' stature in the public's eyes before their movie.

You might enjoy my (very cynical) write up about "The Death of X"...
http://comicreliefpodcast.com/archives/977

[Mokole]

I've read a lot from people stating how Disney fried FF so Fox wouldn't get promotions from the Comic Book, and that Death of X is meant 100% to make the Inhumans the new mutants, move mainstream mutants that Fox uses off the board and use mutants they haven't used in movies in books; don't promote for Fox. Force them to make a deal. If I'm Fox, the next movie is Doctor Doom. So yes, I liked your work, Tawmis.

[Tawmis]

I've read a lot from people stating how Disney fried FF so Fox wouldn't get promotions from the Comic Book, and that Death of X is meant 100% to make the Inhumans the new mutants, move mainstream mutants that Fox uses off the board and use mutants they haven't used in movies in books; don't promote for Fox. Force them to make a deal. If I'm Fox, the next movie is Doctor Doom. So yes, I liked your work, Tawmis.

We're on the same page.

However - one thing FOX has proven twice now - they don't know how to write Doctor Doom either...

[Phil]

The thing is, back in the 90's when the X-Men started becoming popular and the Avengers and FF got pushed to the back no-one cared.
When Heroes Reborn happened and they were all shunted off to another Universe no-one cared.
Now it's the X-Men's turn to take a back seat and everyone's up in arms.
It's all cyclical; it'll be the X-Men's turn soon enough when the movies have caused Avengers-fatigue.

[Le Messor]

I think the main problem is that the reason is now outside comics.

Also:

When Heroes Reborn happened and they were all shunted off to another Universe no-one cared.
You may want to check your history. As I remember it, people were up in arms about this one (and loathe it to this day).

~ Le Messor
"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it."
~ Bumper Sticker

[Phil]

People loathed it, because it was terrible; not because the X-Men were more important.

[Le Messor]

Also true. :)

[Tawmis]

The thing is, back in the 90's when the X-Men started becoming popular and the Avengers and FF got pushed to the back no-one cared.
When Heroes Reborn happened and they were all shunted off to another Universe no-one cared.
Now it's the X-Men's turn to take a back seat and everyone's up in arms.
It's all cyclical; it'll be the X-Men's turn soon enough when the movies have caused Avengers-fatigue.

Well, I believe a lot of it has to do with the folks at Disney - they love their copyrights - and since X-MEN is with FOX, I can see why they'd shunt the X-MEN behind in order to cease promoting another film studio's movie... (until they get it back).

A recently "leaked" image showed a line without ANY X-Titles at all.
http://newwarriors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7556#p7556

This could be because Death of X is that month; or it could be because of Death of X, we're going to see all the mutants "disappear"/lose their power/whatever (until Disney movie studios get the rights back to the X-Men probably)...

[Phil]

Oh it's totally to do with Movie Rights, but my point still stands.

And yup, Death Of X replaces X-Titles in October.

[Phil]

Maybe not: "The X-Men, Wolverine, Spider-Man and more will all be seen in their regular series when October's solicitations roll around later in July."

[Tawmis]

Maybe not: "The X-Men, Wolverine, Spider-Man and more will all be seen in their regular series when October's solicitations roll around later in July."

Yeah, looks like some of the X-Men are being seen in other titles also...

If you're up for some really cynical and snarky writing...

Part One: http://comicreliefpodcast.com/archives/991
Part Two: http://comicreliefpodcast.com/archives/1015
Part Three: http://comicreliefpodcast.com/archives/1045

[Phil]

I think what that means is that the catalogue that's been released ISN'T the October solicits, which makes sense as new Captain Marvel #1 was listed it we've been told that that's not till
2017.

[Tawmis]

I think what that means is that the catalogue that's been released ISN'T the October solicits, which makes sense as new Captain Marvel #1 was listed it we've been told that that's not till
2017.

Well supposedly Marvel released it Tuesday after it leaked Monday. So that would be it. Because Death of X is for October. So...

They may have just pushed Captain Marvel #1 up to be in line with all these new titles launching.

Marvel's version of doing "Rebirth" in a way, without calling it that. ;)

[Phil]

It was due to be released at midnight on Tuesday anyway.

Not everything in the catalogue is launching in October though.
And not everything on sale in October is in the catalogue.

https://twitter.com/dlandocalrisian/status/753232122844966912
https://twitter.com/dlandocalrisian/status/753232759632592896

https://twitter.com/danslott/status/753264321690558464
https://twitter.com/danslott/status/753259222951796736

[Garry/Al-Fan]

... but her powers don't work that way.


Yes, I know what you meant, it's just your comment tied in so well with their power set, and technically after Walt's changes to her they do and...
~ Le Messor
...


Walt's experiment on Jeanne-Marie in Alpha Flight #17 isn't the only change she has undergone: in the issue of Secret War II (written by Jim Shooter) with AF, it showed the first time the twins' powers negated each other...unless I've missed it somewhere (else) between AF #17 and AF#29.

Prior to publishing the huge compilation of early-era Alpha Flight, maybe some of the current and former creators and editors could share their views on whether they believe AF# 29 is a seamless, fluid continuation of the Byrne run.

[Le Messor]

in the issue of Secret War II (written by Jim Shooter) with AF, it showed the first time the twins' powers negated each other...

You describe #4. It was fairly ambiguous what they were talking about at the time (Beyonder thinks, about them whacking into each other, 'It affects their powers, but they're too stunned to notice'), but I imagine Mantlo had told Shooter his plans. (Mantlo, not Byrne. Negating each other's powers seems to be Mantlo's addition.)

I'm pretty sure they didn't touch at any other time between #17 and #29, but I'm open to correction.

~ Le Messor
"I have never found in a long experience of politics that criticism is ever inhibited by ignorance."
~ Harold Macmillan

[Phil]

Definitely still X titles in October:
http://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog?pub=MARVEL%20COMICS