New Warriors

[Phil]

I know we've got a fair few fans here and on the list, so thought I'd chuck this preview at people;

http://www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/marvel/shehulk5/

[PWalk]

Ha! thats a great little story going on in that book. I'm not a She-Hulk fan but I'm going to check it out.

Oh yeah, BRING BACK THE NEW WARRIORS, 'cept I'd change the team name. They're not so new now.

[ladymako71]

OMG! *swoons all fangirly and stuff*

[DelBubs]

Ha! thats a great little story going on in that book. I'm not a She-Hulk fan but I'm going to check it out.

Oh yeah, BRING BACK THE NEW WARRIORS, 'cept I'd change the team name. They're not so new now.

I'm not normally a Shulk fan, but I'm gonna pick up #5 for definate. New Warriors (I think they should maybe change the name to 'The Warriors', they arn't quite so new anymore) and some great lines, especially the 'Planet of The Apes' reference.

Cheers Phil, more expense :-)

[Phil]

Heh, sorry sunshine :P

[DelBubs]

No problem fella, I don't mind spending out on good stuff. She Hulks comments to a minaturised Wrecking Crew are worth the cover price alone.

[Phil]

I've heard mixed things about the title, people either seem to love it or hate it.

Can't say I've got the cash or the interest for it though....

[DelBubs]

I'm lucky in the respect that three IDW series are on hiatus for a couple of months, so I can take a long look at Shulk, plus UXM still ain't doing it, so replacing one with another solves the financial aspects.

[Nalyd Psycho]

I've heard mixed things about the title, people either seem to love it or hate it.

Can't say I've got the cash or the interest for it though....

The only complaint I've had is Bobillo's artwork. Having Pelletier on fixes that. I think alot of people who don't like the book don't like their books to have a sense of humour. Much like many of Alpha's critics (One week to go to #5 YAY!)

[Mystic]

Hmmm....looks intirguing. I may have to omit picking up one of my regular pulls to get this appearance by the NW. Although, I thought they relaunched the book a little while back with a somewhat different roster. Can anyone tell me what happened to those members??

-Mystic

[DelBubs]

New Warriors got a vol two, it wasn't a great sucess :-). Lasted ten issues, the team for that was Nova, Speedball, Namorita, Turbo, Aegis and Bolt. Aegis was going to change his name to ClicheMan at one time. Towards the end of the series, Thrashman came back. In the interim, Bolt, who had the legacy virus and was a friend of Maverick, took on the mantle of Maverick while Mav became Agent Zero (?). Bolt died in Mavs arms in Weapon-X something or other.

Aegis has disappeared off the face of the earth and Thrash is back in armour. So we have five members, the others are doing the following
Rage = At private school, wants to live a normal life.
Justice and Firstar = Were with the Avengers and I expect something to change for them in the upcoming dissassembled.
Siluohette (sp) buggered of with her brother I believe,
The male Turbo was killed by a Dire-Wraith.
Timeslip lost her powers and I guess is in Comics Limbo.
Hindsight Lad (who knows, who cares)
Powerpax, back with Power Pack.
DarkHawk : See Justice and Firestar
Cloak & Dagger : Last seen in Runaways I believe.

However, while on the subject, little bit from LiTG

NEW NOVA

There's a new "Nova" comic book series from Marvel in the works. A kind of "Starship Troopers" style comic, using the Nova Corp as an international marines-style team. The writers are believed to be Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg

[kozzi24]

I picked up and liked She Hulk #1 enought. Definitely like the preview here and will be picking it up.

[Mystic]

New Warriors got a vol two, it wasn't a great sucess :-). Lasted ten issues, the team for that was Nova, Speedball, Namorita, Turbo, Aegis and Bolt. Aegis was going to change his name to ClicheMan at one time. Towards the end of the series, Thrashman came back. In the interim, Bolt, who had the legacy virus and was a friend of Maverick, took on the mantle of Maverick while Mav became Agent Zero (?). Bolt died in Mavs arms in Weapon-X something or other.

Aegis has disappeared off the face of the earth and Thrash is back in armour. So we have five members, the others are doing the following
Rage = At private school, wants to live a normal life.
Justice and Firstar = Were with the Avengers and I expect something to change for them in the upcoming dissassembled.
Siluohette (sp) buggered of with her brother I believe,
The male Turbo was killed by a Dire-Wraith.
Timeslip lost her powers and I guess is in Comics Limbo.
Hindsight Lad (who knows, who cares)
Powerpax, back with Power Pack.
DarkHawk : See Justice and Firestar
Cloak & Dagger : Last seen in Runaways I believe.


Wow...Seeing all those names makes me really wish there was another Warriors series. I guess I may just have to get the Nova series to make myself happy.

[Major Mapleleaf Jr]

How did Timeslip lose her powers? I thought Rina was cool.

[ladymako71]

How did Timeslip lose her powers? I thought Rina was cool.

In the last iss of the original New Warriors run, Rina was at ground zero of a bomb set off to distroy all the super powered types abilities across the globe. She prevented the actual explosion but her powers were nulified as a result. I don't have the iss on hand or I could go into more detail, in short she did a lot of people a favour and only lost her abilities for it...at least it wasn't her life ;)

[Major Mapleleaf Jr]

I'll have to get a hold of that issue, then. I only own a few New Warriors issues currently... the Younghunt issues (for Moonstar, lol), the issue where Sabra was possessed and kicked the crud out of Justice and Firestar, and a few issues with these terrorists called the Eugenix (whom I liked so much that I'm including them in my Alpha fanfic).

[ladymako71]

issue 75 hon, it's a double sixed one too if memory serves...*i really need to dig it out again*

[PWalk]

Can I ask a question?

Did anyone ever take Speedball or Night Thrasher all that seriously? I collected the book when it first came out mostly because at the time I liked Bagly's art. But as it went on those 2 characters just bugged the hell outta me for some reason. Thoughts?

[ladymako71]

OMG Are you kidding? I loved Speedball, still do. Okay so he could be a pain in the arse usually but he was also more loyal then the family dog.

[kozzi24]

I thought (for comics, that is) that Speedball had a very realistic touch to his creation. A teen gets super-powers. Of course, he's going to be up against other people with Super powers. His powers had an automatic defensive capability (like S-M's sense) that could keep him from really getting his arse handed to him. Unfortunately, Dikto's art could not sustain a book in the 80's, and Speedball was short lived.
I agree though, he was a great character. Never overly fond of Thrasher, but he didn't annoy me either.

[kozzi24]

The She-Hulk issue is very enjoyable! One of the better reads I've had this month, and the art was pretty good too!

[PWalk]

See to me Speedball was just one of those characters that Marvel was throwing "up" at the time. They needed to appeal to the younger audience so they created him after watching a kid bouce a ball against a wall for 20 minutes. Did he ever do anything offensively in the books? I honestly can't remember.

And Night Thrasher was just another attempt to bring a Batman wannabe to the Marvel audience. But to make him different and appeal to young people they gave him bulletproof armor (original :roll: ) and a skateboard (ok that is original). But to me he was just never really gel'd with the book.

[DelBubs]

See to me Speedball was just one of those characters that Marvel was throwing "up" at the time. They needed to appeal to the younger audience so they created him after watching a kid bouce a ball against a wall for 20 minutes. Did he ever do anything offensively in the books? I honestly can't remember.
Robbie Baldwin : Parents divorced under arduous circumstances, a need to prove himself worthy of his peers, turned down by the Avengers, found a home within the Warriors. Always the joker, with an underlyeing need to be recognised as a worthy ally. Please read New Warriors #1-25


And Night Thrasher was just another attempt to bring a Batman wannabe to the Marvel audience. But to make him different and appeal to young people they gave him bulletproof armor (original :roll: ) and a skateboard (ok that is original). But to me he was just never really gel'd with the book.
Marvels answer to Batman, but probably more likely identifiable to NightHawk in Supreme Power. I hate him, I hate all he is and all that he stands for, but he's a bloody fine character who made the Warriors what they were and his origin story in 20-25 New Warriors is pure class.
FabNic did with New Warriors #1-25 what Byrne did with AF #1-28.

Just an opinion.

[kozzi24]

FabNic did with New Warriors #1-25 what Byrne did with AF #1-28.
Motion seconded!

[DelBubs]

Yesterdays Lying in The Gutters mentioned a new New Warriors series, written by Zeb Wells and art by AF #8 cover artist Skottie Young. The new series was also mentioned at various Wizard Con panels. I knew nothing about Zeb Wells until yesterday, but it would seem he writes mainly in the comedic style. However it was mentioned that his Spiderman/Doc Ock Year One book was very darkl and gritty.

That said however, Skottie Young supposedly said at Wizard con that he and Wells had been given the go ahead for an undisclosed book for Marvel that would not be in a serious tone and would be funny anf fun.

So deep breaths all round and lets wait and see if the Warriors get the AF vol 3 treatment or somthing else. I will however be picking up the book. I've said elsewhere that Warriors has on the whole been an excellent team book and probably second to AF in my affections for Marvel characters, and lets be honest, it couldn't be any worse than Nova vol 3 or Warriors vol 2 :-)

[PWalk]

See to me Speedball was just one of those characters that Marvel was throwing "up" at the time. They needed to appeal to the younger audience so they created him after watching a kid bouce a ball against a wall for 20 minutes. Did he ever do anything offensively in the books? I honestly can't remember.
Robbie Baldwin : Parents divorced under arduous circumstances, a need to prove himself worthy of his peers, turned down by the Avengers, found a home within the Warriors. Always the joker, with an underlyeing need to be recognised as a worthy ally. Please read New Warriors #1-25


And Night Thrasher was just another attempt to bring a Batman wannabe to the Marvel audience. But to make him different and appeal to young people they gave him bulletproof armor (original :roll: ) and a skateboard (ok that is original). But to me he was just never really gel'd with the book.
Marvels answer to Batman, but probably more likely identifiable to NightHawk in Supreme Power. I hate him, I hate all he is and all that he stands for, but he's a bloody fine character who made the Warriors what they were and his origin story in 20-25 New Warriors is pure class.
FabNic did with New Warriors #1-25 what Byrne did with AF #1-28.

Just an opinion.

New Warriors #'s1-25 I dug. At the time it was a chance for me to collect a series from the very first issue that wasn't named Quasar and I found myself really liking the team. But Speedball and Night Thrasher often seemed a little forced by FabNic.

[DelBubs]

I think with Speedball, FabNic was pretty much tied to what he could do. Speedy had had a short lived series where he had come across as that bumbling type, most of his adversaries had been definately second string and ludicrous. To be honest, Robbie is my fave Warrior, mainly cos he comes across as the most realistic.

Night Thrasher as a character has a lot of depth, but his ressemblence to Batman always put me off. Again, to my mind, FabNic had to write him a certain way to actually create a believable reason for Thrash to form the Warriors. That said, I think he was ruined by the following writers who had no real idea what to do with him after his origin type arc in Warriors #20-25. He became very cliched after Skolnik gotta a hold of him.

[PWalk]

He became very cliched after Skolnik gotta a hold of him.

I've used the term "Skolnik'd" elsewhere before and I'm glad to find someone else who finally agrees with me.

[kozzi24]

Does anyone remember how Skolnik got the book? Was he a friend of Fabe's?
That who-ya-know BS annoys me, enough that despite my love for Supreme Power, I specifically passed on the Dr. Spectrum, written by a protoge of JMS.

[DelBubs]

I'm not really sure how Skolnik became involved in the New Warriors, but I do vaguely remember something along the lines of FabNic recommending him, but I wouldn't swear on oath to it. In regards to Doc Spec, I'm grabbing that because the term 'JMS protege' is so off base. JMS and Samm ?? had worked together on a TV series, JMS, due to work commitments suggested that Samm put her Doc Spec ideas down. He advised, but had no real input on the book.

She did an interview at Newsrama I believe and explained it all, she herself was a little put out by the suggestion that she got the book on who she knows, as a published novellists an accredited tv script writer, it is quite understandable why she's slightly peeved.