X(-Force) Gonna Give It To Ya ;)

[Phil]

http://www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/marvel/xforce1/cvrpage.html

[DelBubs]

Great cover :-) How many muscles can one super hero have? Even the horse on page one looks like it's on friggin steroids.

[syvalois]

I thought it was a cover from the 1st X-Force serie :twisted:

[PWalk]

Bleh, typical Liefeld crap art. If I had the talent that guy has I'd draw 56,000 les muscles per frame and draw a hand that actually looks like a stinking hand. :roll:

I'll pass, the story read like I was watching a bad kung fu movie from the 70's. Typical Fabian writing crap I guess as well. :roll:

[DelBubs]

I have no real problem with FabNics writing, his Warriors, Af etc is well worth the read, but I honestly couldn't get past page six of the preview. Any other artist then maybe, but it was hurting my eyes. I had the original series of X-Force upto #71, but then Francis Moore hacked me of and I shipped the lot to a friend in Chicago. I'm not even gonna spend money on this one.

[kozzi24]

This is the first Marvel Comic I remember seeing where the artist and not the writer got first billing. There was a time when I liked Liefeld, with his early New Mutants and Hawk & Dove. It;s been a while since I looked at any of that, but I did recently reread (skin, more accurately) X-Force 9 - 14 or so, and thought the art--and story with the X-Ternals--was really bad, and that the issues were almost unreadable.
This preview is another case where they saved me $3.00 in picking up the first issue.
Shatterstar was the worst thing in the old X-Force, so an issue revolving mostly arounf him does nothing for my give-it-a-chance spending.
I really like Nicienza and almost everything he's done. Any coincidence the things I haven't liked all had the same artists' name on it? No.

Hey Del, what did JMM do to piss you off? I thought he turned the book around. His run was what I liked best aside #25.

[Mystic]

Oy Vey...and here I was actually looking forward to this title. The story is kinda bad and the art is horrendous. Even having Domino in it (one of my favorite characters) isn't worth it. Well, it's good to know that I don't need to waste 3+ dollars now.

-Mystic

[syvalois]

Hey Del, what did JMM do to piss you off? I thought he turned the book around. His run was what I liked best aside #25.


Yeah what wrong with Moore run? Except the end iof course. It was on his run that Adam Pollina was drawing right? and Chen ? I don't remember the next artist after Polina but I really like it.

[ladymako71]

....... well there's a few bucks saved.

never liked Liefeld's work and am not particularly thirlled with the preview either.

[Nalyd Psycho]

X-Force and Liefeld are designed for 13 year old boys, Sadly, not many of them read comics any more, so what the market?

[DelBubs]

Hey Del, what did JMM do to piss you off? I thought he turned the book around. His run was what I liked best aside #25.


Yeah what wrong with Moore run? Except the end iof course. It was on his run that Adam Pollina was drawing right? and Chen ? I don't remember the next artist after Polina but I really like it.
My main problem from JFM stemmed from a statement he had Syrin make in an issue. I can't remember it verbatim, but it was somthing along the lines of "If you had lived under the jackboot of British soldiers etc". It was a direct reference to Ulster and what was going on before the Good Friday agreement. Firstly as far as I know Banshee's family stead was in Southern Ireland which hasn't seen British troops since 1923. Secondly the British troops in Ulster originally went there to protect the Catholics from sectarian violence, not as an occupying force.

If he had known anything about the history of the troubles, he would have realised that the troubles had been ongoing from the late 1700's 'Wolf Tone and his Nightriders'. Yeah the British government had done ****ty stuff there, during the potatoe famine and upto the Easter uprising. There was too much history and too much occuring at the time to glibbly dismiss what was occuring as nothing more than some kind of colonial occupation.

To my mind it was shoddy writing, denergrating young lads who were doing a difficult job in dangerous circumstances. Moore did all that as a sound bite to try and give a character some kind of depth. Maybe it was just me being over sensitive, but it hacked me off to the degree that I shipped the whole lot away. Oh and there was also the fact that Pollinas art and the colouring had me reaching for a barf bag after every issue.

[kozzi24]

Oh, that could have been much worse. Imagine if Ann Soapbox-per-issue Nocenti had been writing an Irish character like Siryn.

[Major Mapleleaf Jr]

I loathe X-Force. Liefeld destroyed the New Mutants, via his unholy avatar, Cable. I hope this series goes down in flames. And I hope Cable dies so that the others can live. I'd rather see Proudstar and the rest stuck in X-Corp limbo than form a new X-Force. How droll.

[Phil]

:lol:

How'd I guess you'd love it so much? :P

[Major Mapleleaf Jr]

You know me too well, Phil. :lol:

[syvalois]

Oh, that could have been much worse. Imagine if Ann Soapbox-per-issue Nocenti had been writing an Irish character like Siryn.


What's wrong with Ann Nocenti? I absolutly adore her run on Daredevil, but I did not like much Kid eternity, I think she got lost in the metaphysic mombo jumbo

[syvalois]

To my mind it was shoddy writing, denergrating young lads who were doing a difficult job in dangerous circumstances. Moore did all that as a sound bite to try and give a character some kind of depth. Maybe it was just me being over sensitive, but it hacked me off to the degree that I shipped the whole lot away. Oh and there was also the fact that Pollinas art and the colouring had me reaching for a barf bag after every issue.

But you know Del, what You don't like as a drawing, you're sure, I'm going to like it :twisted: I really liked Pollina and I liked Moore, I'm sorry for the bad reference, I can certainly understand, but I did not notice it, not been very familiar with Irish history (except a little bit the potato famine that brought many irish here in Canada or what ever it was called at that time). And like our good old ex-prime minister Jean Chrétien once said about Jerusalem : "east, West, south, north, it's the same thing!" Replace Jerusalem by Irland, and it's tell you almost how bad I don't know that country.

[Major Mapleleaf Jr]

I didn't much care for Pollina's work, either, although he did draw a great Dani Moonstar. I just didn't like how exaggerated some of his characters ended up looking. And the purple-and-yellow X-Force team uniform was absolutely wretched. I much preferred Jimmy Cheung. But I preferred the entire late Moore run anyway, right up until the six-month gap. That's when X-Force's brief period of tolerance in my eyes vanished.

[kozzi24]

Oh, that could have been much worse. Imagine if Ann Soapbox-per-issue Nocenti had been writing an Irish character like Siryn.


What's wrong with Ann Nocenti? I absolutly adore her run on Daredevil, but I did not like much Kid eternity, I think she got lost in the metaphysic mombo jumbo

She wrote to deliver a message in every issue, not to entertain. I was tolerating it a bit until it reached the conflicting independence day parades in Daredevil. The book got dropped that issue, and her run promptly traded. Everything she wrote had her take on political issues, not just Daredevil as Mad-Dog thing in Spider-Man attests.

It's perfectly all right for there to be a message in the work, but I don't think the work in comics should be for a message. Best close example I can think of is Nicienza's Dardevil fill-in with the first appearance of the Bengal. There was a message, but the author's views didn't overpower the entertainment value of the comic.