Canada to be Annexed?!?! (A MUST READ FOR EVERYONE)

[tkmadison]

For nearly two years now, Ottawa has been quietly negotiating a far-reaching military cooperation agreement, which allows the US Military to cross the border and deploy troops anywhere in Canada, in our provinces, as well station American warships in Canadian territorial waters. This redesign of Canada's defense system is being discussed behind closed doors, not in Canada, but at the Peterson Air Force base in Colorado, at the headquarters of US Northern Command (NORTHCOM).

The creation of NORTHCOM announced in April 2002, constitutes a blatant violation of both Canadian and Mexican territorial sovereignty. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced unilaterally that US Northern Command would have jurisdiction over the entire North American region. Canada and Mexico were presented with a fait accompli. US Northern Command's jurisdiction as outlined by the US DoD includes, in addition to the continental US, all of Canada, Mexico, as well as portions of the Caribbean, contiguous waters in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans up to 500 miles off the Mexican, US and Canadian coastlines as well as the Canadian Arctic.

NorthCom's stated mandate is to "provide a necessary focus for [continental] aerospace, land and sea defenses, and critical support for [the] nation’s civil authorities in times of national need."

(Canada-US Relations - Defense Partnership – July 2003, Canadian American Strategic Review (CASR), http://www.sfu.ca/casr/ft-lagasse1.htm

Rumsfeld is said to have boasted that "the NORTHCOM – with all of North America as its geographic command – 'is part of the greatest transformation of the Unified Command Plan [UCP] since its inception in 1947.'" (Ibid)

Following Prime Minister Jean Chrétien's refusal to join NORTHCOM, a high-level so-called "consultative" Binational Planning Group (BPG), operating out of the Peterson Air Force base, was set up in late 2002, with a mandate to "prepare contingency plans to respond to [land and sea] threats and attacks, and other major emergencies in Canada or the United States".

The BPG's mandate goes far beyond the jurisdiction of a consultative military body making "recommendations" to government. In practice, it is neither accountable to the US Congress nor to the Canadian House of Commons.

The BPG has a staff of fifty US and Canadian "military planners", who have been working diligently for the last two years in laying the groundwork for the integration of Canada-US military command structures. The BPG works in close coordination with the Canada-U.S. Military Cooperation Committee at the Pentagon, a so-called " panel responsible for detailed joint military planning".

Broadly speaking, its activities consist of two main building blocks: the Combined Defense Plan (CDP) and The Civil Assistance Plan (CAP).

The Militarisation of Civilian Institutions

As part of its Civil Assistance Plan (CAP), the BPG is involved in supporting the ongoing militarisation of civilian law enforcement and judicial functions in both the US and Canada. The BPG has established "military contingency plans" which would be activated "on both sides of the Canada-US border" in the case of a terror attack or "threat". Under the BPG's Civil Assistance Plan (CAP), these so-called "threat scenarios" would involve:

"coordinated response to national requests for military assistance [from civil authorities] in the event of a threat, attack, or civil emergency in the US or Canada."

In December 2001, in response to the 9/11 attacks, the Canadian government reached an agreement with the Head of Homeland Security Tom Ridge, entitled the "Canada-US Smart Border Declaration." Shrouded in secrecy, this agreement essentially hands over to the Homeland Security Department, confidential information on Canadian citizens and residents. It also provides US authorities with access to the tax records of Canadians.

What these developments suggest is that the process of "binational integration" is not only occurring in the military command structures but also in the areas of immigration, police and intelligence. The question is what will be left over within Canada's jurisdiction as a sovereign nation, once this ongoing process of binational integration, including the sharing and/or merger of data banks, is completed?

Canada and NORTHCOM

Canada is slated to become a member of NORTHCOM at the end of the BPG's two years mandate.

No doubt, the issue will be presented in Parliament as being "in the national interest". It "will create jobs for Canadians" and "will make Canada more secure".

Meanwhile, the important debate on Canada's participation in the US Ballistic Missile Shield, when viewed out of the broader context, may serve to divert public attention away from the more fundamental issue of North American military integration which implies Canada's acceptance not only of the Ballistic Missile Shield, but of the entire US war agenda, including significant hikes in defense spending which will be allocated to a North American defense program controlled by the Pentagon.

And ultimately what is at stake is that beneath the rhetoric, Canada will cease to function as a Nation:

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Its borders will be controlled by US officials and confidential information on Canadians will be shared with Homeland Security.
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US troops and Special Forces will be able to enter Canada as a result of a binational arrangement.
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Canadian citizens can be arrested by US officials, acting on behalf of their Canadian counterparts and vice versa.

But there is something perhaps even more fundamental in defining and understanding where Canada and Canadians stand as a Nation.

The World is at the crossroads of the most serious crisis in modern history. The US has launched a military adventure which threatens the future of humanity. It has formulated the contours of an imperial project of World domination. Canada is contiguous to "the center of the empire". Territorial control over Canada is part of the US geopolitical and military agenda.

The Liberals as well as the opposition Conservative party have endorsed embraced the US war agenda. By endorsing a Canada-US "integration" in the spheres of defense, homeland security, police and intelligence, Canada not only becomes a full fledged member of George W. Bush's "Coalition of the Willing", it will directly participate, through integrated military command structures, in the US war agenda in Central Asia and the Middle East, including the massacre of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, the torture of POWs, the establishment of concentration camps, etc.

Under an integrated North American Command, a North American national security doctrine would be formulated. Canada would be obliged to embrace Washington's pre-emptive military doctrine, including the use of nuclear warheads as a means of self defense, which was ratified by the US Senate in December 2003. (See Michel Chossudovsky, The US Nuclear Option and the "War on Terrorism" http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405A.html May 2004)

Moreover, binational integration in the areas of Homeland security, immigration, policing of the US-Canada border, not to mention the anti-terrorist legislation, would imply pari passu acceptance of the US sponsored police State, its racist policies, its "ethnic profiling" directed against Muslims, the arbitrary arrest of anti-war activists.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO411C.html
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/ft-lagasse1.htm

[kozzi24]

Heavy stuff.
As an average American, I'd most likely to see Canada shares its universal health care.

[HappyCanuck]

Well, for myself - no offence meant to any Americans on the list - but I'd rather see the US reform itself to better match Canadian ideals. The notion of the US having power enough to send their forces into my country any time they damn well want to, that's a bit unsettling. THis 'NORTHCOM' objective is a LITTLE too close to occupation for my liking. And here I thought we were 'allies' with the Americans. This can only get bad...

[kozzi24]

No offense taken from the American, Allan. I'm kinds scared for you over this.

[Mokole]

This is something I've been pointing out to others for 3 years. Not to offend anyone but I have learned to intensly dislike Bush and his people. Where I work several people must deal with problems of border nature with the US and several have quit working rather than go to the US anymore.

I have said before that this should be dealt with in Alpha Flight, with the US being replaced by SHIELD. SHIELD uses some silly pretext to try and take over Dept. H (after all, Canada isn't doing enough to fight/prosecute 'terrorists') and thus part of Canada's soveriegnty, Alpha Flight decides to fight SHIELD's small forces tooth and nail, losing some members but winning in the end when, just as SHIELD brings in substantially more forces to try and turn the tide, media reports show the Super Soldiers, Big Hero Six, and others flying into Canadian Air Space. SHIELD backs off, knowing that engaging these groups means the conflict will extend into their countries, possibly igniting WWIII.

Alpha Flight is persona non grata with SHIELD afterwards. Super Soldiers and Big Hero Six allie with AF anyway.

[HappyCanuck]

This is something I've been pointing out to others for 3 years. Not to offend anyone but I have learned to intensly dislike Bush and his people. Where I work several people must deal with problems of border nature with the US and several have quit working rather than go to the US anymore.

I have said before that this should be dealt with in Alpha Flight, with the US being replaced by SHIELD. SHIELD uses some silly pretext to try and take over Dept. H (after all, Canada isn't doing enough to fight/prosecute 'terrorists') and thus part of Canada's soveriegnty, Alpha Flight decides to fight SHIELD's small forces tooth and nail, losing some members but winning in the end when, just as SHIELD brings in substantially more forces to try and turn the tide, media reports show the Super Soldiers, Big Hero Six, and others flying into Canadian Air Space. SHIELD backs off, knowing that engaging these groups means the conflict will extend into their countries, possibly igniting WWIII.

Alpha Flight is persona non grata with SHIELD afterwards. Super Soldiers and Big Hero Six allie with AF anyway.

Thank you Moloke, you've just given me more ideas for my idea I posted in "What if you wrote Alpha Flight" :D

[cmdrkoenig67]

Well, for myself - no offence meant to any Americans on the list - but I'd rather see the US reform itself to better match Canadian ideals. The notion of the US having power enough to send their forces into my country any time they damn well want to, that's a bit unsettling. THis 'NORTHCOM' objective is a LITTLE too close to occupation for my liking. And here I thought we were 'allies' with the Americans. This can only get bad...

Welcome to the world that George Dubya would like to see. He's a bully and a moron(IMO)....what a combo.

Dana

[tkmadison]

No offense taken from the American, Allan. I'm kinds scared for you over this.

I appreciate the concern...but I would hope that Americans are scared for their own well-being as well! This should scare the sh*t out of anyone.
The only 'superpower' in the world 'asserting it's might' by basically taking over whoever it wants.
If this scenario were to come to pass, I would personally see to a Canadian insurrection myself.
Let's make like it's 1812 and walk on down for a 'visit.' That kinda thing. :D

[PWalk]

I pity any country who trys to invade Canada. There is not a citizen up there who doesn't know how to effectively wield:

A.) A gun, big or small
B.) A hockey stick or a crosse
C.) A fish as a deadly weapon.


I can see where the US would seek to be able to enter unobstructed to protect our borders but lets face it we're so screwed up down here that it would never happen.

[tkmadison]

I can see where the US would seek to be able to enter unobstructed to protect our borders but lets face it we're so screwed up down here that it would never happen.

I do not see nor understand why the US would want to challenge or infringe on the sovereignty of another country by freely entering that country with an armed batallion that answers to no one.
That isn't protection, that's fascism.

[kozzi24]

Having spent considerable time in Europe over the last few years (up to five months a calendar year) I have seen hints of the atiitude some people there have that a Canadian is no different from an America. Kind of the same as they laugh at Americans who say "I'm Italian" (or whatever nationallity) and respond, "no, you're an American, fat ash." Kind of the same tongue in cheek humor Americans have when dealing with Englishmen who don't consider themselves European.
Putting aside the politics of who the current Prime Minister and president are:
what Phil and Del's take on this?

[cmdrkoenig67]

I do not see nor understand why the US would want to challenge or infringe on the sovereignty of another country by freely entering that country with an armed batallion that answers to no one.
That isn't protection, that's fascism.

It is, indeed TK.....and I find it(like I find our president) absolutely terrifying.

Dana

[HappyCanuck]

starting to look like the reported 50,000 applications for immigration from the US in the last month may be moot. However, if the current nation-wide protest of Bush's visit to Canada (even here in a town of less than 8000 - they say well over 6000 people showed up to protest at the court house today in responce) says anything, it says 'We Are Canadian', no one, not even the 'great' GW Bush can take that away from us. (No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously: we get our national pride from a beer commercial!)

[ladymako71]

That's okay...me mate in Edmonton just found out that unless she caught, smoked, and package some salmon herself, she can't send it as a gift to the states...nothing from respectable companies allowed...at least as the dame at the post office told her...so no terrorist salmon from Canada allowed in the states or so it would seem...

[ladymako71]

and to darken everyone's mood even more...I have a little story. =p

My dad was in the US Navy for 30 years...that's how I ended up with the mixed up nationality background that I have. (born in New Zealand, raised in Aussie and Hawai'i primarily, citizen of both NZ and the US) In Aussie he was stationed at a communications station on the North West Cape.

It was scary when you saw the Americans trying to turn the place into 'Little America' because the Aussie's laid back way of life was to far beneath the American standards...I'm not kidding I heard someone say that once..

In short...where ever the US military shows up...stupidity and general embarrassment of the US is sure to follow...thankfully Dad was of the thinking 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do.'

They pull stunts like this too in US territories and states not attached to the continent. The locals in Hawai'i had a field day laughing at the mainlanders.

[tkmadison]

It was scary when you saw the Americans trying to turn the place into 'Little America' because the Aussie's laid back way of life was to far beneath the American standards...I'm not kidding I heard someone say that once..

American arrogance is no surprise....(nor ignorance).
How American culture (read: Disneyland) is superior to any other nations' is far beyond me...

[tkmadison]

(No wonder the world doesn't take us seriously: we get our national pride from a beer commercial!)

Yikes. I don't get my national pride nor identity from a beer...particularly a very bad one. Who cares that Coors snatched it up...it tasted so bad it may as well have been an American brand.

[cmdrkoenig67]

It was scary when you saw the Americans trying to turn the place into 'Little America' because the Aussie's laid back way of life was to far beneath the American standards...I'm not kidding I heard someone say that once..

American arrogance is no surprise....(nor ignorance).
How American culture (read: Disneyland) is superior to any other nations' is far beyond me...

Please don't lump us all together, guys.....we're not all like that.

Dana

[tkmadison]

Please don't lump us all together, guys.....we're not all like that.

Dana

My apologies....didn't mean for it to sound that way.

[cmdrkoenig67]

No worries. :D

Dana

[kozzi24]

I pity any country who trys to invade Canada. There is not a citizen up there who doesn't know how to effectively wield:

A.) A gun, big or small
B.) A hockey stick or a crosse
C.) A fish as a deadly weapon.


I can see where the US would seek to be able to enter unobstructed to protect our borders but lets face it we're so screwed up down here that it would never happen.

But you have so far to catch up to US for per-capita murders with those guns and sticks and fish...you should look at this (if it comes to pass) as a GREAT opportunity!

[DelBubs]

Having spent considerable time in Europe over the last few years (up to five months a calendar year) I have seen hints of the atiitude some people there have that a Canadian is no different from an America. Kind of the same as they laugh at Americans who say "I'm Italian" (or whatever nationallity) and respond, "no, you're an American, fat ash." Kind of the same tongue in cheek humor Americans have when dealing with Englishmen who don't consider themselves European.
Putting aside the politics of who the current Prime Minister and president are:
what Phil and Del's take on this?
I'll try and adress this. Firstly re Canada, my impression of Canada has always been a country that America should try to become more like, instead of vice versa. Having the opportunity to talk to Canadians on the net, probably gives me a different viewpoint and I can totally understand the Canadians being the same as American concept, it's total bolloxs of course, but I can see where it's coming from.

Regarding myself, I consider myself to be English first, British at a push and European after I'm worm fodder. We've spilt enough blood keeping the bastards at bay for hundreds of years and what Napolean, Hitler and the King of Spain couldn't manage with force, we gladly give them through EU edicts.

Regarding Canada being under American command at times of need etc, this is exactly what Stalin did after World War 2. IMHO America is a young country that is making the mistake all great powers have made. Build an empire, subjugate then play nice and eventually withdraw. Roman Empire lasted 400+ years. British for about 150, America, who knows? Let Bush have his fun in the sun, he's gonna be busy for the next four years ****ing up the world, the 58 million plus who voted for him this time will be four years wiser come the next election.

[Phil]

Phil's take is moderated.

[Nogoodnamesleft]

I myself would not lump all Americans together. I have seen a few on the internet who know that:
-America is not perfect
-America treats other countries (especially ones that try to be nice, like Canada) as poorly as the human rights thing will let them get away with
-America is very flawed in many ways
-America is responsible for many horrible things happening around the world (if you watch "Bowling For Columbine", you'll be able to calculate by Moore's evidence that America is responsible for the deaths of millions of innocents, among the other things they've done)
-most of the world's incredibly black-hearted megaconglomerate businesses, such as Disney and Microsoft are American

However, the AVERAGE American is a total dumbass who believes in that ludicrous "Land-of-the-Free" propaganda which has been drilled into his head since before he was born. He will vote for the man who is obviously a total slimeball and a cokeheaded idiot to boot, simply because said man promised to protect him from, and destroy the big bad terrorists (who in fact aren't really there).

To be blunt, I don't think America will actually CONQUER Canada, because they have to retain a public worldwide image of non-imperialism; if they do become imperialists like the English were way back then, then nobody would deliberately cooperate with them. I don't think America will ever literally annex us, not even while its being run by Bush. It's just not their style. Yes, they'll try to take even more economic and political ground than they did before and blame even more of what they're responsible for on we Canadians, but I don't think we'll ever be legally, factually Americans. They'll just try to jerk us around a lot (and more than usual with Bush running it), but probably not much else. As for this whole stupid military plan which I did not read all of because of its obvious ridiculousness, I've never seen anything occur which even slightly indicates that it's about to happen. So don't get your underwear bunched up; you should probably be worrying about the dying healthcare system and that incompetent dork Paul Martin. I mean, really, a man with that level of blatant incompetence and irresponsibility just doesn't deserve to be Prime Minister; he was never even ELECTED. He's just Prime Minster because Chretien gave the word before he left, and he didn't even make a very smart choice.

[kozzi24]

However, the AVERAGE American is a total dumbass who believes in that ludicrous "Land-of-the-Free" propaganda which has been drilled into his head since before he was born.

We're as free as we allow ourselves to be. Most sell their freedom to become wage slaves and having the newest and best and latest and loudest to keep up with the neighbors.


the AVERAGE American is a total dumbass
You must be in the extremely UNDER-AVERAGE Canadian class, eh?

[JohnnyCanuck]

incompetent dork Paul Martin. I mean, really, a man with that level of blatant incompetence and irresponsibility just doesn't deserve to be Prime Minister; he was never even ELECTED. He's just Prime Minster because Chretien gave the word before he left, and he didn't even make a very smart choice.

Didn't we just have elections last year? Pretty sure I voted. Not for him but i voted.....


Also the Liberal Party made him the party leader not Chretien.

Johnny CANUCK

[syvalois]

Also the Liberal Party made him the party leader not Chretien.

And we all know how much those 2 loooooooooooooooooooooooovvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eee each other! (read sarcasm here)

[Northcott]

I've heard a lot of accusations levelled at Martin, and some of 'em have the ring of truth to them... but incompetent? Thank God that kid was banned, because his diatribe was brain-busting.

I'm waiting to see what the next budget looks like. The current finance minister is very much cast in Martin's mould (no surprise), and the funding allocated to the military will be a strong indicator of how serious the Libs are about maintaining Canadian sovereignty. I know that, at the very least, our soldiers are scheduled for a long overdue pay raise, but the military needs far, far more than that to once again prove a viable entity on the world stage.

[SephirothsKiller]

It looks like you oughta be dissapointed, as that military budget bought new troops only. We don't need new troops, we need new equipment. I mean, if you line up a thousand troops with no equipment besides a nice pair of boots, and send them against one guy in a giant battle robot, the robot will WIN!! We need to get ourselves a robot!

[seroquel]

Canada has vetoed participation in the whole crazy Star Wars style missle defense. Yay!
However I read in some American press that the ambassador to Canada said something to the effect that Canada's refusal to participate is akin to them giving up the sovreignity by allowing the U.S. to determine how to eliminate airborne threats to Canada.

Why oh why is my country run by neo-con freaks!

(oh, well. I am moving to Japan in 3 weeks. wait, I will still be upset about politics.)

[Legerd]

That whole "Canada will be giving up its sovereignty..." is the biggest pile of $#!+!!! No one should believe for one minute the Bush gov't would listen to any input from Canada during a missle attack, nor would they hesitate to destroy missles over Canada leaving us to suffer the fallout, literally! The only reason Bush wants Canada involved, is so we can pick up part of the tab as well as let the US build some silos on our land. Of course, the good thing is the missle system doesn't work so even if an attack happened no missles would probably get intercepted, here or anywhere else. This is one of reasons Canada doesn't want anything to do with Star Wars. Other reasons are:

1. It is escalating international tensions and increasing arms build up.
2. The nuclear non-proliferation pact signed by the US and Russia was scraped just so the US could chase this rainbow, an utterly idiotic move.
3. It is a prelude to weaponizing space, something no one other than the Bush gov't wants.
4. It won't stop a terrorist with a nuclear device from attacking the US, terrorists wouldn't use a missle.
5. The money being wasted on it could be put to better use, such as: education, job creation, medicare, housing or just paying off the debt.

The US ambassador to Canada, Paul Selucci, is (IMO) someone who needs to shove his head further up his butt so we don't have to listen to anymore of his BS! The same goes for Bush, Cheney, and all the other hawks who would rather waste money, piss off their allies and heighten tensions around the world than take care of their own people.

If I've offended any of you who are American with my rant, I apologize. Understand, it's not aimed at you or your country, but at those in your gov't who are causing all this anger and upset.

[Mokole]

True, not much stops terrorists. A missile shield is a bit of a relic from the 1960's, methinks. After all, terrorists who would 'attack' the US or Canada would plan far in advance, make sure to do test runs et al, then do it. Bank robbers generally follow that plan.

No way the Miss-Isle shield will ever do any good but give more money to people who make weapons. Sheesh.

[Barnacle13]

If I've offended any of you who are American with my rant, I apologize. Understand, it's not aimed at you or your country, but at those in your gov't who are causing all this anger and upset.

Great thing about America is that even if it does anger or upset us, we believe that everyone's voice should be heard.

I think we could all throw stones at governments all day long. They don't always do what the people want or feel is right. In DC, there are so many lobbyists bending the ears of American officials that the common man is often not heard. Big business and in this case military contractors have a lot of pull in Washington. In the end, I think we'll get it right. A peaceful coexistence would be much improved without the arsenals the countries of the world sit upon. Granted mine sits on the biggest arsenal, but it would be nice to agree to disagree and leave it at that. Funny isn't it that arsenal starts with the word "arse". Shouldn't that be a clue that we're heading in the wrong direction by building them up.

[kozzi24]

and "evil" is "live" spelled backwards...don't that say a lot?

[syvalois]

Can I say, that I'm proud of my southern neibor (sp?) but I really think you got a very nice justice system (not in every aspect) as it can stand against the president decisions and it's a relief for everyone in the world to see that. Like we saw in the Guantanamo bay verdict and the Shiavo verdict, the gouverment is not above the law. As for that poor woman, it was not the the government to take side and to mix up with the justice departement.

[EccentricSage]

I didn't even know about this untill I saw it on here!

Seriously, all I ever hear about in Illinois is about Bush's religious right crusade and the deficit....not that anyone on the news ever has anything interesting to say about anything. All we get is a vague description of some things that Bush is pushing for...rarely do we get enough info to even form an informed opinion on anything. As far as the millitary goes, all I ever hear is Bush suporters saying what a good job our boys are doing and the Anti-Bush folks pointing out that our troops are spread too thin... No real news like this ever makes it to the surface.

Why is the Canadian government even considering this plan a posability? The plan dosen't even make any sence! If there's an atack in Canada, the US should simply offer assistance and visa versa....Why create a military that doesn't directly report to eather country?

The US government shouldn't be trusted. The US isn't all bad, but when it comes right down to it our government will do whatever congress feels will benifit the US in the short term, and then blame the long-term reprocusions on someone else later. Especialy with this new form of Republican in control.... Republicans are suposed to be fiscally consirvative and against meddling with citicens personal afairs....Bush's republcans are diferent. Bush gets to be as iresponsible as he wants and he STILL gets enough suport to usualy get his way.

Frankly, I think the US is a lot like ancient Rome, the overall mentality of indiference, the arogance, the nationalism,...completely drunk with power....it'll be my country's downfall eventualy. Good ridence. My country has no culture. It's philisophicaly brain-dead... There are some thoughtfull people left, shure, but it's so much easier to choose to be ignorant and indulge in vavid entertainment while people in power have their way with our country, and then just feign ignorance because we didn't know what's going on. Who has time to think about polatics when our jobs are disapearing and unions are loosing the battle for worker's rights? (once again thanks to Bush and his lackeys)

:x Ugh, it all just pisses me off so much!

P.S. Problem with our Justice system is that it can only enforce law, not write it. The supreme court could declair an act of congress unconstitutional, but the constitution can be amended. So it's only a safeguard for a little while....If there's enough suport for a constitutional emendment the Courts wouldn't be able to do much about it. When a case falls into a grey area, though, the Judges do afect the law instead if mearly enforcing it, and that's why it's such a big deal when liberal or conservitive judges outweigh eachother...If Bush can get the Justices on his side, he could even further nulify the check and balance system.

[mos_def]

Wow Sage, glad you post again.Incase you dont know, I know you were Diamond Lil n Wildchild on the RPG and I was Northstar and Flashback

[EccentricSage]

Wow Sage, glad you post again.Incase you dont know, I know you were Diamond Lil n Wildchild on the RPG and I was Northstar and Flashback

Awsome! Hope we get that RP going again someday.

[Legerd]

Why is the Canadian government even considering this plan a posability? The plan dosen't even make any sence! If there's an atack in Canada, the US should simply offer assistance and visa versa....Why create a military that doesn't directly report to eather country?


Bush is pissed off that we didn't support the invasion of Iraq, which has had some adverse reactions with our relations. Most of his anger is due to our former Prime Minister, so our new one is trying to bend over backwards to mend fences. He even was making noises that Canada would take part in BMD, but unfortunately for him and Bush, the majority of us said we didn't want it. Since the government is a minority (they have just enough seats to form a government and therefore must play nice with the opposition parties to pass the bills they want in the House of Commons) they can't simply do whatever they want. Probably the only reason Canada hasn't signed on to the idiocy.

[Big Boss]

To be fair with you all, I don't think Canada's getting stolen. If America really wanted this place, they would already have taken it. Bush is probably the most agressive of all of America's presidents, and certainly the worst. If he doesn't try to steal Canada by the time his term is done, then nobody will. Furthermore, America has a belief that it has to maintain a "good guy" image as the land of the free and all that (whether it is that good is up for debate), or at least pay lip service to that whole thing.

Look, I'm going to be fair with you all. America may be a total ******* of a country, but the fact is, is that they've treated us better than what we could have had. If they were China, they'd just invade us, torture anybody who went against it, and do all sorts of things that are crimes against humanity. We can curse America's name with good reason, but at the same time, perhaps we should give it a bit of a blessing as well.

[Powersurge]

I don't thik that if the USA wanted us they could just take us. Well, they could, but there would be tremendous reprecussions from Europe, to say nothing of the other "nations" of the world, if this were to happen, IMHO.

Its one thing to invade an Iraq, but to invade a Canada is like picking on the one guy everyone seems to like. Even if no one punches you in the nose for it, to say nothing of everyone jumping you, passive-aggression will work it's will.

In the end, I think that we have problems enough keeping Quebec, that they idea that Canada join an even larger union is absurb and just looking for trouble. Of course, it would be nice if we took our military obligations to ourselves a little more seriously, in terms of funding, up-to-date and operational hardware, a little more integrity amongst the Brass, and alittle less input from "Pacificst-Joe".

[Big Boss]

In any case, this is all a bunch of bull, the country is doing just fine, and always will be. I'd worry more about China than America.

[Mokole]

Maybe, but I don't see the Chinese saying, "Give us your waterways or we'll screw your economy up so bad Dickens will look like the good old days." Softwood lumber, SARS, Mahar Arar, the eastern power outage, mad cow,....

Just saying.