Alpha Flight 12

[kozzi24]

Since when can Aurora carry SASQUATCH in flight? Didn't he always have to tone down to being Walt for her to be able to lift him?

[Ben]

Please include a spoiler space when posting on a new issue,

Thanks,

Ben

[Le Messor]

Kozzi, have you read it? I thought it wasn't due for another week?
So far, she's only carried Walt; come to think of it, isn't he a little heavy for her?

- Le Messor
"Cocaine isn’t habit forming. I should know – I’ve been using it for years."
– Talullah Bankhead

[mos_def]

if you are buddies with a comic distributer (like me) Marvel sends preview issues a week early.I just havent gotten my butt to go get it.Will tell you tomorrow though

[cmdrkoenig67]

Since when can Aurora carry SASQUATCH in flight? Didn't he always have to tone down to being Walt for her to be able to lift him?

Aurora is strong, but she is in no way strong enought to carry Walt in his Sassy form(he did fly with her, piggy back style in issue#11, but he was in human form)....that's just another screw up...great...just when I thought the screw ups were over. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dana

[Mokole]

I think this is like the rushed ending of V2.... fit in things that make no sense just to get the Byrnites back. I'm getting it anyway and I'll be sad that Zuzha and MML will disappear forever like Feedback and Ghost Girl and others I liked.

I figure Aurora carrying Sasquatch is meant to be just get it over with stuff. No, I haven't seen the book yet.

I guess by next Friday Ben and/or Phil can tell us some news to cheer us up, eh?

BTW, first looks, for once, are up. You can start here:

www.milehighcomics.com/firstlook/020905/images/alpha12p1.gif

[kozzi24]

Please include a spoiler space when posting on a new issue,

Thanks,

Ben
Sorry Ben...as she is depicted on the first page of the milehigh site, I don't think that something stating she is in the issue and carrying Sasquatch during this time travel story, anything significant is spoiled.

[Ben]

Please include a spoiler space when posting on a new issue,

Thanks,

Ben
Sorry Ben...as she is depicted on the first page of the milehigh site, I don't think that something stating she is in the issue and carrying Sasquatch during this time travel story, anything significant is spoiled.

heh, nope, not a big spoiler, if it was, I would have ust stuck the spoiler space in there myself ;) Some folks are just quite sensitive about spoilers prior to reading the book. I'll be tempted to take a peek at it when I'm in town tomorrow, but I'll try and make myself wait 'till it's actually on the shelf.

Ben

[kozzi24]

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[cmdrkoenig67]

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Wow...Every battle in this series is just going to be the cop-out "after the battle" scene...That's just @#!%+! ducky. :x

Dana

[Scarlettspiderg]

I wont be able to get this issue until next Thursday, so please someone spoil me a little bit and let me know who if anyone from the board get a letter printed. cheers.

[varo]

besides being disapointed that another alpha series is going away, i am really disapointed to see a alpha series with great art disapear. claytons art was awesome on this series.

i really disliked the art on series 2 and thought claytons art was awesome.


*sigh*

[kozzi24]

I wont be able to get this issue until next Thursday, so please someone spoil me a little bit and let me know who if anyone from the board get a letter printed. cheers.
I didn't recognize anyone, but I don't know everyone's real name.

[Mokole]

A guy from Boardhost.com AF may have gotten one of his (I apologize if it's a her) printed. I've had one printed but years ago, and not in a comic but a previews thing.

[Defunct]

So I'm gonna go ahead and assume this is the thread for discussion of #12. Just because.

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That seems like enough.

Good issue on the whole. I spent the majority of the read confused out of my gourd, but a reread cleared up most of that. Some of the Nemisis stuff still confuses me. Just a little. In any case, it was RUSHED. Crazy rushed. Aaaaand. . . There are TWO Byrne-era Flights now.

The art, of course, is gorgeous. If you're reading this Clayton: You are THE finest new pencilers in the industry. Your consistency is your finest asset. Never lose that. I really digged the designs for "lost in time" Mape and 'International Despot' Guardian.

The "where are they now" part at the end seemed more like a "this is where I was going with the series" part, but it was a decent way to wrap things up. The bit about Rutherford and Nemmy got an emotional response out of me. Maybe it's just the fact that it's really sinking in that this book is done. Since Dreamwave went under, it's all I've bought. . . And now. . . *sigh*

[kozzi24]

Four letters, one unnamed writer, one a probable alias "Gary Pickup", Josh Miller from Boston Mass and one by "Doug"...if that sounds familiar to anyone.

[Scarlettspiderg]

GP is me!!! Yay I've had a letter printed in AF :D

[Ben]

Hey congrats! So two Alphawaves members printed in one issue! Sweet! Too bad we won't get to see that again for a while...

Ben

[kozzi24]

GP is me!!! Yay I've had a letter printed in AF :D
Hey Gary, no slam intended if your last name IS Pickup...I get irritated with people pronouncing my name wrong, so really wouldn't make fun of someone else's, but "Pickup" sounded like an alias

[HappyCanuck]

I get irritated with people pronouncing my name wrong

Just so I don't fall into the 'irritating' catagory outside of choice, how DO you pronounce your name?

[Scarlettspiderg]

Hey Kozzie, no offence taken. Looking at it from another point of view my surname could look like an alias (sounds cool saying it that way), but its been my name since day 1 - and made for alot of "pickup truck" nicknames in school :)

[HappyCanuck]

Hey Kozzie, no offence taken. Looking at it from another point of view my surname could look like an alias (sounds cool saying it that way), but its been my name since day 1 - and made for alot of "pickup truck" nicknames in school :)

LOL, better than the nicknames I get! (for the record, yes, I AM related to Betty Crocker - she's my great-aunt- but not THE Betty Crocker. She's fictional)

[Scarlettspiderg]

Finally got the issue today. I've got mixed feelings over it, first off I'm going to miss the ANAD Alpha Flight (I dont care what anyone says, I liked them). Second, I agree with other posters that the ending of the issue seemed abit rushed (same as what happened with Captain Marvel V4) and looked like it was building up to something bigger (any chance we could ask Scott to post what (if anything) was originally planned?).

Mac becoming a tyrant was a cool idea and gives of some great mental images (imagine him taking on Cap A, Dr Doom or the Defenders) its just a shame we didnt get to see some more of the battles (ANAD AF did seem to leave most of the battles to the imagination),

All in all a nice wrap up issue that still leaves me wanting more AF (any version).

[PWalk]

Well I will miss the the new ANADAF as theres very little chance we'll see them in a book again. I agree I really liked Mac as dictator of the world. His costume was great and I need it made into a figure pronto.

I hated the ending. It made it seem like this was it no more AF ever again. Now granted the series was over but it won't be the last we see of this group. Snowbird marrying Jack is interesting along with Zuzha and MML battling evil on the weekends.

The dialogue between Shaman and Nemesis was great. I know alot of people didn't like the humor in the series but here it worked for me. One of the reasons I stopped reading comics way back was the fact that they all had the same attitude about them. Everything was 100% serious 100% of the time. In this series we could chuckle while reading the stories. I liked that.

I'll miss it. :cry:

BTW... I can't wait for a Centennial mini. We need an origin. Who wants to write it?

[DMK]

To quote Peter David from Imzadi:
This is why time travel gives me nosebleeds.

A very,very poor issue to go out on. Although there were some nice bits (I loved Walt and Michael's conversation. "Short version? I screwed up.") the plot made no sense whatsoever. Through contrived situations the AF v1 #12 Alpha Flight is back. Sheesh.

Not to mention that this thing violated all laws of Marvel time travel. The way things have always worked in Marvel is that you can't change your own timeline. If you try, you create an alternative universe where things went differently.

So the only way I can rationalize things is that an AF from an alternative timeline are now running around Earth 616 (to use Claremont's designation of "mainstream" Earth from Excalibur v1).

You know what I want now? All I want now is for the X-Men to get into a fight in northern New York. And have it range a ways. And as soon as they cross the border have Wolverine be the only one to realize it and start laughing. When asked why, he'd mention "I told some old friends we might drop by."

Then have Alpha come out of nowhere and pound the bad guys into the ground. :-)

It's not much to ask, I think. I'll hold onto this one little dream.

The other thing would be for Centernnial to pop up again. I really liked the guy.[/i]

[Ahab]

Hey congrats! So two Alphawaves members printed in one issue! Sweet! Too bad we won't get to see that again for a while...

Ben

If "Mokole" is the Doug in the letters page, than that makes 3 Alphawaves members printed in one issue. How sad that it was the last...

[Le Messor]

My take...

I loved the bit about Puck having (or not) a demon. I loved the bit with Walt experimenting on himself (I dunno; for all the disrespect there, the 'Whoops' just made me LOL). I thought the letter by Josh Miller summed up nicely the 'approved' feelings of this forum - is he here? Though it got less diplomatic as it went on. Nemesis killing Heather made absolutely no sense whatsoever. Either did Aurora's accent - hmm... but she looked like Fran (from Black Books, if anyone's seen that) when she walks in in front of Sas, and Guardian's wearing his Batman cowl. The cloak and Batman cowl I liked, the MML costume I hated, and I really, really, don't see him as the taking over the world type - hey, the guy didn't even want to lead his own team. I thought it was a betrayal of the character.
It took Michael (not me, the other Michael) years of training and re-faithing just to draw pine needles from the pouch. Tipping coins out just by turning it over wouldn't work - and if it did, we'd get #26 all over again (the inside-out bit). Speaking of his pouch, I've just read the Shadow War trilogy by Claremont & Lucas. The girl in that has a pair of Shaman pouches; as co-creator, I wonder if Claremont added them in as a reference?

Apart from all that?
What you guys said.

- Le Messor
"Confucious say too damn much!"

[SephirothsKiller]

That was wrong, since it implied that they were only united when they died, and the alternate timeline shows nemisis with her mask off. Plus, both of them have reasons they should still be alive, Nemisis has her magic and Centennial... Well, he's "invincible!" And i don't care what anyone says, the in the future version of MAP was the only time I ever thought he was cool. He kindof reminded me as a Bishop, Cable, Nick Fury, and that other guy type of character, not really any big powers, but he walks around with a big gun. (I know, Bishop and Cable have powers, shut up.) And, has anybody seen that thing on malcom in the middle with the hamster ball? Does anybody else want to say marvel do that with thunder and the league of super pets!? Of course you do!!! It would allow alpha flight to live on by injecting their humour into things. And by the way, if they did live on, they got rid of enough of the original characters that I think they could inject Mape and Zuzha into things. (Ya know, snowbird gone, and really, whats his face, ah crap, i'm blanking out, the fast flying dude who is Aurora's brother. He's kindof with the X-Men now.) So they could still be in it.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Huh?

Dana

[Le Messor]

And by the way, if they did live on, they got rid of enough of the original characters that I think they could inject Mape and Zuzha into things. (Ya know, snowbird gone, and really, whats his face, ah crap, i'm blanking out, the fast flying dude who is Aurora's brother. He's kindof with the X-Men now.) So they could still be in it.

Well, the world's a twisted place. You can now buy chilli-flavoured Tim Tams.
(Which is a type of chocolate-coated chocolate biscuit (cookie to you Americans).

BTW, his name's Northstar, or Jean-Paul Beaubier.
You're new here, welcome aboard, but careful of that ice... there's a lot of sharks under it who've never got over the originals...
:evil:

- Le Messor
"Daisies of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains."

[Mokole]

I reread #12 and like most issues I thought the art was bang on, the future (whatever) versions of ANADAF would have been nice to explore more. The characters were a strong point but Lobdell just never wrote very well. The entrance by the future ANADAF was the highlight for me. :lol:

Anyways now they're gone forever, except in other comedy specials. Maybe AF will show up in WX: DFN and that'll be the jump-off point for AF once again. Maybe this time they'll plug it BEFORE issue #1 hits the stands! :roll:

I'll miss the characters and Henry's art but I got tired of the silliness and meaningless plots. Still, hope springs eternal for version 4, right? :D

[Le Messor]

... And what's with Snowbird's line about "B-but-- I wasn't with you in the States!" She was! She -so- was!

She was in the original #12, she was in -this- #12. Remember her rotting away?

Agh! He can't even keep track of his -own- continuity, much less Byrnes. Oh, and if he's supposed to be setting something up with that, the last issue is a bit late for that, ain't it? There aren't many pages left, and Lobdell never answered it.

But I like the line about "There's no such thing as one small spell."

- Le Messor
Stroganoff: "Two masked magicians just stole the queen of England's tiara!"
Striperella: "I know, I was there. But how did you find out about it so fast?"
Stroganoff: "Lucky guess."

[Ottawa Renegade]

... And what's with Snowbird's line about "B-but-- I wasn't with you in the States!" She was! She -so- was!

She was in the original #12, she was in -this- #12. Remember her rotting away?

Lol...I read that and thought "Really? I could have sworn she was" and didn't bother to check. Obviously, neither did our self-proclaimed Alpha geek writer.

[Scarlettspiderg]

Maybe with all the time travelling/screwing with the time scream they lost original AF 12 Snowbird and gained an alternative Snowbird that never went to New York and never fought the ANAD Alpha Flight.

Or maybe Scott was so annoyed about ANAD AF getting canned he forgot about Snowbird.

[kozzi24]

Or maybe Scott was so annoyed about ANAD AF getting canned he forgot about Snowbird.

Then he should have taken it out on himself, as it's the writing that killed the book.