Which BOX armor is the best?

[patrick_j_clarke]

So, what do you think? What did you like about your favorite?

I liked the phasing one (color-wise and slight change in design) but there was something cool about Roger in his chair "zapped" in to the armor.

I was never a big fan of Madison Jefferies as BOX...I didn't like the "powerfullness" and limitless abilities of that incarnation.

What about you?

[Ben]

In a way I really liked the idea of Jeffries Box, but I also found that the armour limited his abilities more than anything else. If he wanted to, he could be darn near as poweful as magneto, but while in the box armour, he could not do anything beyond it. I liked Roger's revamped red Box armour the best, Jeffries version wasn't...boxie enough

There was one more version, of which I was NOT a fan: http://www.alphaflight.net/character_galleries/jeffries/jeffries_gallery18.jpg

Ben

[JohnnyCanuck]

one box i liked was a Dave Ross redesign that was only used in a preview in Marvel Age Annual#2. I got him to do a convention sketch and I'll scan it if I find it,


johnny canuck

[patrick_j_clarke]

There was one more version, of which I was NOT a fan: http://www.alphaflight.net/character_galleries/jeffries/jeffries_gallery18.jpg

Ben


Ugh, that one is HORRIBLE. And I think you're right on about Jefferies and BOX. The idea of someone with a disability using it to be a superhero made him more than he was as a man, but with Jefferies it seemed to contain or limit his abilities.


JohnnyCanuck, would love to see the Ross redesign!

- pjc

[HappyCanuck]

Design-wise, I like Madison's original version better - and would love it even more if it was any colour OTHER than s***-brown!

[Ben]

one box i liked was a Dave Ross redesign that was only used in a preview in Marvel Age Annual#2. I got him to do a convention sketch and I'll scan it if I find it,


johnny canuck

If you have trouble tracking it down, I have it from when you sent it to me years ago, along with the Shaman one.

Ben

[kozzi24]

In a way I really liked the idea of Jeffries Box, but I also found that the armour limited his abilities more than anything else. If he wanted to, he could be darn near as poweful as magneto, but while in the box armour, he could not do anything beyond it. I liked Roger's revamped red Box armour the best, Jeffries version wasn't...boxie enough

There was one more version, of which I was NOT a fan: http://www.alphaflight.net/character_galleries/jeffries/jeffries_gallery18.jpg

Ben

I never understood why Jeffries would have depowered himself with the Box armor either. Jeffries would be more powerful than Magneto on straight power scales, because Magneto is limited to ferrous metals while Madison can do all metals and inorganics such as plastic and glass.. It would come down to power of wills, and Magneto would win, hands down.

[patrick_j_clarke]

What I think is funny about BOX is that it was set up so nicely:

Handicapped man that uses his skills to creates a robot so he can help others. Great metaphor.

But then you give him legs, make him all pretty etc. and then kill him.

And THEN a guy who has LOTSA power takes it on and limits what he can do with it. Bad metaphor, but I guess more like real life.

I'm actually very glad they have never brought back Roger Bochs, I think Byrne was the only one that knew how to write him...the others just didn't get it.

- pjc

[Mokole]

I always liked Madison in his Box machine. Offense and defense. I often find it silly that most heroes don't just get shot (Cyclops, for example). How exactly could they defend themselves from a hail of bullets. Box can.

[Legerd]

Gotta disagree that the Box armour weakened Madison, sure his power was limited by it but he wasn't weakened. Compare Madison sans Box and Madison with Box:

Without: Can be shot stabbed, punched out... in other words: vulnerable to just about any physical attack.

With: Is about as tough as Sasquatch, capable of being hit with just about anything and not be killed.

Without: Average strength for a man of his age, maybe a little above from all the manual labour he's done.

With: Somewhere in the range of Sasquatch, capable of becoming stronger by increasing the size/mass of the robot.

Without: Can shape any metal/glass/plastic into anything he can conceive given the proper amount of material is present.

With: Can shape the armour into anything he can conceive but may need to add material to increase the armours mass.

Without: Can use his power to rip apart items and enemies made of metal.

With: Can use his greatly increased strength to rip apart items and enemies, period.


I was never a big fan of Madison Jefferies as BOX...I didn't like the "powerfullness" and limitless abilities of that incarnation.

I did. For a change, AF had a character with immense power who knew how to use it effectively. The X-men had Jean Grey, Professor X and Storm; the Avengers had so many I can't name them all, so why can't AF have a suped-up Box?

[kozzi24]

What I think is funny about BOX is that it was set up so nicely:

Handicapped man that uses his skills to creates a robot so he can help others. Great metaphor.

But then you give him legs, make him all pretty etc. and then kill him.

And THEN a guy who has LOTSA power takes it on and limits what he can do with it. Bad metaphor, but I guess more like real life.

I'm actually very glad they have never brought back Roger Bochs, I think Byrne was the only one that knew how to write him...the others just didn't get it.

- pjc
I liked Roger Bochs, but I'd rather keep him dead, just because I'm not a fan of resurrections to begin with.

[BitBiteOuch]

the Red Bochs looked the best, but Jefferies had the cool powers to make Box a lot better. Tough call.

[MistressMerr]

Definately Jeffries, he was just so ridiculously powerful I couldn't help but love it.

[HappyCanuck]

I liked Jefferies' Box armour better than either version of Bochs', but I think it could do better with a different pilot. Jefferies' powers are wasted inside it.

[Barnacle13]

For me the Red Box suit Roger used was the best design. After Jefferies took over the helm Box became less "boxy" he was smooth and sleek. For me that kinda detracted from his codename. Plus I loved the idea of someone overcoming their handicap and becoming heroic. Roger was a great character. Jefferies was a big hitter once he took over, but for me Box lost its heroic impact.

[Dalandow]

Madison Jefferies' Box was the sh't.

[Ravenheart]

I liked the Madison Jefferies transformer version the best.

[-K-M-]

I hate Jeffries design later in Alpha Flight the blue lego looking design.

[JackFrostUK]

What do you think about the Box bot's shown in Weapon X and the Jaxon's Box army in Alpha Flight Vol 3 #10-11?

[reaperbot]

I am curious to see those scans

[Dalandow]

I am curious to see those scans

I am as well.

[SNOWCHILD]

Since I'm also a huge fan of Transformers, I voted for the Red Transformer one, that was bad ass.

[Le Messor]

Since the poll is which armour do you like best, I'm voting the Box transformer version. I just think it looks the coolest...
But I have to agree with the majority;
1) I've always found it limiting. (OTOH, he can phase out any time...)
2) I'd like to see those scans. Are they that horrible version from the 100's sometime? By, uh, Patrick Broderick, was it?

(Speaking of Patricks, Patrick Clarke, your avatar looks like Box; is it?)

And Barnacle, I haven't thought of that before, but you're right; it doesn't fit the codename as well.
That doesn't detract from the coolness of it for me, though.

- Le Messor
"The way I see it, if you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain."
- Dolly Parton

[Raja]

The red Transformer-version with Jeffries inside. He came across as a mechanic who'd found his dream machine.

Least favorite? I like to call it the pancake pixel version. Yes, that one.

[ClawMaraud]

overall, the progression of Box was fun to watch. Roger Bochs did not get the best coverage though, I think. Too bad they had to 'take away' a lot of what made his character interesting. There are too many quick fixes in the Marvel Universe. I would hope to see more rough edges left intact.

Makes me wonder - Was it ever addressed as to where the Box armour ended up? Would be cool to see an artificially intelligent Box armour realize itself into existence. Kind of like Henry Pym's Ultron?

[Le Messor]

Would be cool to see an artificially intelligent Box armour realize itself into existence. Kind of like Henry Pym's Ultron?

Kind of happened in #63 and again in #65.

- Le Messor
"I don't suffer from stress. I'm a carrier."

[-K-M-]

Makes me wonder - Was it ever addressed as to where the Box armour ended up?

It's on Utopia and looks like it might be damaged and needs work.

[rplass]

It's on Utopia and looks like it might be damaged and needs work.

It is? Where did you see it on Utopia?

[-K-M-]

It is? Where did you see it on Utopia?

Nation X #3

[DIGGER]

My personal fav is the Roger Red version. The design looked cool and powerful. He was Alphas version of the Thing only better looking. I wasn't too fond of the Jeffries/Transformer version when he became a friggin' spaceship!

DIGGER{guardian}

[-K-M-]

I hate Jeffries design later in Alpha Flight the blue lego looking design.

Yep I still dislike this design

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/26874/1188264-jeffriesmadison1.jpg

[Flightpath07]

I'd vote for Boch's original blue design. The red one that followed was nice too, only really the colour was different, but I htought it was TOO patriotic to have it red, preferred the blue.

[Mrfurious87]

It has to be the original Box, before the Madison upgrades to his suit...Having him control it via helmet was a different touch, I loved it.

[MajorMountie]

100% in agreement with the above poster. The original blue was the "bomb diggity" as some fly youngsters might say.

[weaponAlpha]

thats the worst box ever!

[Centurymanstillsucks]

So I replied Jefferies, great look. However for some reason Bochs, was smart ass enough to, actually stole some scenes. Hoping to see more of the "team play" ;) that made the original series flourished.