Spoilers.....Alpha Related....Spoilers!!!!!

[cmdrkoenig67]

It's not about a new series, unfortunately, but it is Alpha related.

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It looks like Diamond Lil is still among the living and is still held by Weapon X. They plan on possibly using her and others from Neverland as agents(after they brainwash them, of course).

A preview of issue 3 of the Weapon X limited is below...

http://www.buzzscope.com/previewer.php?id=4807&p=4

I actually breathed a sigh of relief on discovering that she was spared the slaughter.

Dana

[rplass]

Well, that's cleared up about Diamond Lil. very nice. I also notice that Kyle got his voice back - he's shown speaking in one panel in that preview. Now he can be featured more prominently, with lines, dialogue, interaction, finally - two AF characters brought back for us in the same month! This is a good sign!

Love,
rplass

[maniac mike]

I just saw the cover for Weapon X #3, is that Aurora on the cover too?

MM :x

[Julesville]

Yay, Lil is ok. This means she could accidentaly run into Madison Jefferies. Maybe their love can break the brain-scrambling and they can run off together, or something lame like that... I just don't want them to die is all.

As it's come to be revealed, Weapon X was restarted by Colcord with the aid of Sublime and his Weapon Plus. WX was started to herd mutants into Neverland so that W+ could have it's pick of mutant body parts for the U-Men. We know Maggot got iced, obviously cause his powers weren't of any use to anyone, but Cecilia Reyes, Lillian Crawley, and Random, might all still be in the mix. Also, Wildside and Reaper were let out of Neverland by Colcord to cause a little havoc, and they were (i guess) killed by the false Maverick.

Winston, the doctor at Neverland, was actually Sinister was helping mutants escape, but right into his own camp to experiment on. With the info he made his "Children" who he ended up giving to Sublime in exchange of the computer data Sabertooth had stolen from WX for them.

My question is; since Jackson took over WX, and Colcord is obviously on the outs with W+, does Jackson's WX still work for W+, or was the hit on Colcord even ok'ed by Sublime? Sintilating, isn't it.

Nice cover. I spy; Sinister, Wolverine, Deadpool, Juggarnaut, is that Darkstar? I'd love to see her back. I can't tell who the other chick is, and that guy with the flaming head looks familiar...

Peace!

[Phil]

Not to play mister pessimist, but we don't actually see Lil making it out alive... and this part of the tale is set before #2, so Wildchild still bites the dust.

I think I read that the cover is Wolverine's new X-team to replace the killed team in #2.

[Julesville]

Not to play mister pessimist, but we don't actually see Lil making it out alive... and this part of the tale is set before #2, so Wildchild still bites the dust.

I think I read that the cover is Wolverine's new X-team to replace the killed team in #2.

Ahhhh, the horror, the funky horror!

[jay042]

I don't see how Darkstar could be back, she was quite clearly killed in New X-men a while ago.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Perhaps it's not Darkstar? maybe it's supposed to be Aurora(although it's really bad likeness).

Dana

[PWalk]

Nice to see Lil' and the Box armor in full color again.

If that's Aurora on the cover they did a bad job.

[Julesville]

Yeah, Darkstar was very dead, but then again, so are a lot of other people who are now living. I liked her too.

[Phil]

I'd imagine it's a new character.

[Legerd]

She looks a little like Storm to me.

[Phil]

Right..


Just checked out the advance copy at my store


So time for some more


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Lil and Wildchild don't appear in the issue anymore than the preview pages we've already seen... but from the looks of it Lil is still alive as the next page shows the brainwashed Agent Zero gunning down everyone in the death camp bar Lil and Random.

The white haired female on the front is indeed Aurora.
Wolverine tracks her down (a few years later) to get her to join his new X-team (along with Juggernaut, Deadpool, Angel and 1/possibly 2 new characters(I didn't read enough in depth to see if the flaming skull character was Sunfire or not), and discovers she's been living as a nun since her third personality developed and she flew off in Weapon X #22.

She joins up with him and sports a sunburst costume, but in the X-Men blue and gold colours (mainly blue, gold sunburst) but...


.. she(and the rest of the new team bar Wolverine)'s gunned down by a brainwashed Agent Zero a page or so (and countless more years) later. Who is then made to shoot himself in the head when Wolvie tries to get information out of him.

[beetleblack]

Lordy, this sounds depressing!!!!! I know that grim and gritty is the new 'IN' thing in comic storytelling at the moment but can that be done without EVERYONE dying??? It just seems pretty unnecessary and quite dreary. What's the point in caring about anyone in comics anymore if the next time we see them they're going to get killed off for no real reason. I know that this is not meant to be a real future but still, whatever happened to happy endings????

SPOILER: Weapon X: Days of Future Now #5

Random deaths and slaughterings followed by all the survivors getting blown to smithereens by a stray Sentinel followed by any survivors of that being killed when the Earth blows up and the universe ends!!!!

The End :-)

[-K-M-]

The white haired female on the front is indeed Aurora.
Wolverine tracks her down (a few years later) to get her to join his new X-team (along with Juggernaut, Deadpool, Angel and 1/possibly 2 new characters(I didn't read enough in depth to see if the flaming skull character was Sunfire or not), and discovers she's been living as a nun since her third personality developed and she flew off in Weapon X #22.



Yeah it was Sunfire, and the other character is Mystique. Don't know who the bald guy is though. Man their new unifroms suck.

[suzene]

Lordy, this sounds depressing!!!!! I know that grim and gritty is the new 'IN' thing in comic storytelling at the moment but can that be done without EVERYONE dying??? It just seems pretty unnecessary and quite dreary. What's the point in caring about anyone in comics anymore if the next time we see them they're going to get killed off for no real reason. I know that this is not meant to be a real future but still, whatever happened to happy endings????

It's not as if Weapon X was a cheery, upbeat book before. It was, pretty much, where B-list and below characters were sent to die.

Suzene

[cmdrkoenig67]

It's not as if Weapon X was a cheery, upbeat book before. It was, pretty much, where B-list and below characters were sent to die.

Suzene

I have to ask Marvel..."Why do they have to die...can't you find a writer that can...well...actually write them?" Another problem....All of Alpha Flight falls into that B-list catagory...that bothers me.

Then again....this series takes place in a possible, but not set in stone future....Any writer can come along and change the outcome of things.

Dana

[suzene]

I have to ask Marvel..."Why do they have to die...can't you find a writer that can...well...actually write them?" Another problem....All of Alpha Flight falls into that B-list catagory...that bothers me.

Well, because if no writer is currently interested in a character, obviously that character's only use is to boost sales through his death. :evil:


Then again....this series takes place in a possible, but not set in stone future....Any writer can come along and change the outcome of things.

Just like most of the present established continiuty. It's honestly not worth the effort of caring about these days. The stories aren't allowed any integrity.

Suzene

[MistressMerr]

I have to ask Marvel..."Why do they have to die...can't you find a writer that can...well...actually write them?" Another problem....All of Alpha Flight falls into that B-list catagory...that bothers me.

To be fair, Alpha Flight has a significantly larger fan base than people like Maggott, Tar Baby, and Siena Blaze. They were all more like C and D listers.

[Garry/Al-Fan]

Not to play mister pessimist, but we don't actually see Lil making it out alive... and this part of the tale is set before #2, so Wildchild still bites the dust.

I think I read that the cover is Wolverine's new X-team to replace the killed team in #2.

I got WX:DoFP(?)/N(?)#3 yesterday. SPOILER:
Aurora's in it, briefly. Wolverine's new X-Men are in it, briefly. Diamond Lil just has that cameo that has already been posted in this forum, and that's it. CONCLUSION: Wolverine is presented as very ineffective against very persistent adversaries; there is blatant exploitation of this character with very little substance or contribution with his inclusion. Logan can't beat the blow-up guy in # 1. With what looks like no plan whatsoever, Logan walks straight into Colcord's trap and gets french-fried along with the rest of the X-Men without so much as taking a chunk out of a Sentinel (#2). And please, # 3 is starting to make me laugh.

How come Northstar didn't come back to Wolverine's crack about being a B-lister (in Wolverine's book) by saying at least [i]he (Jean-Paul) beat Sabertooth? Has Logan ever beat Sabertooth?

[-K-M-]

How come Northstar didn't come back to Wolverine's crack about being a B-lister (in Wolverine's book) by saying at least he (Jean-Paul) beat Sabertooth? Has Logan ever beat Sabertooth?

Yeah he has, and recently to boot.

But when did Northstar beat Sabertooth?

[DelBubs]

Wasn't it during the never to be forgotten 'Alpha Armour' crap in Uncanny X-Men?

[rplass]

Try this link

http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtopic.php?p=11746&highlight=#11746

Love,
rplass

[suzene]

How come Northstar didn't come back to Wolverine's crack about being a B-lister (in Wolverine's book) by saying at least he (Jean-Paul) beat Sabertooth? Has Logan ever beat Sabertooth?

Yeah he has, and recently to boot.

But when did Northstar beat Sabertooth?

During the last couple of issues of Chuck Austen's terrible run on X-Men. I don't have the specific issue numbers at my side. It was a mess, though...Northstar knocked Sabretooth unconscious by slamming his head through many trees at high speeds. But it made little sense that Sabretooth should be taken down by something like that, when he'd had one of Gambit's charged cards *explode* in his mouth a minute or so before and wasn't even substantially shaken.

Don't get me wrong, I love it when Northstar gets to be a badass instead of the just a crabby 'Will and Grace' extra, but there's this taint of incompetance that comes with everything associated with the Austen run. :wink:

Suzene

[Phil]

Don't know who the bald guy is though. Man their new unifroms suck.

Angel.

[-K-M-]

Don't know who the bald guy is though. Man their new unifroms suck.

Angel.

Yeah I realized it when I looked at the wings, I just skimmed through the issue since I wasn't impressed.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I skimmed through it too and I have to say....Frank, I'm very disappointed. There doesn't seem to be much of a story, besides killing as many mutants as can be killed...in the shortest amount of pages possible.

Dana

[suzene]

I think the main confrontation is supposed to be between Wolverine and the Director. Everyone else is just a pawn on the board and just as disposable. Not a bad idea, but it requires that one give a damn about Wolvergod and Scarface going at it, and I just don't. I read Weapon X when it was an ongoing, and my interest was always on the team, their power-plays, backstabbing, and, of course, Aurora. When most of the team was disposed of in various ways and Wolverine started showing up regularly in yet another book, my interest crashed and I stopped reading.


Suzene

[Phil]

The constant time hopping has pretty much ruined it for me so far, but each issue's got slightly better. Hopefully it'll make a bit of sense by #5.

[Garry/Al-Fan]

I'm in this one basically to see who isn't going to make it next.

So, if the big confrontation is between Wolverine and the Director, and the Director survived the first run-in (#2) after getting sliced up, how is Logan going to take this guy down? There seem to be more SENTINEL plants around (now with MASTERMOLD), Sauron's on the loose, plus Phantomex and the blow-up guy from #1 are still around.

The series reeks of editorial tinkering because it doesn't make much sense: it has a lot of licensed characters in it, running around making Colcord look like an evil genius. Colcord getting toasted by his own command would have been appropriate, IMO, comparisons to Larry Trask notwithstanding (it wouldn't be the first time MARVEL recycled a story/storyline), even though a two-issue mini-series is probably not what anybody at MARVEL would have wanted or envisioned.

It looks like Colcord is being made to be one of MARVEL's biggest and baddest bad-guys ever. :roll:

[-K-M-]

FYI, I have found low quality scans of the Northstar vs. Sabertooth fight

1)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/northstarvssabertooth16gm.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/northstarvssabertooth23ao.jpg

[suzene]

That fight still looks so off -- running poses just tend to look awkward. It would have worked better as a visual if Northstar had been flying, I think.

Suzene

[Le Messor]

That fight still looks so off -- running poses just tend to look awkward. It would have worked better as a visual if Northstar had been flying, I think. Suzene

The pose was way too vertical for running, 'specially at speed, 'specially carrying something really big and heavy--like, say, Sabretooth. He looked like this: | when he should've looked like this: /

What's that you say about over-analysation, Dana?

- Le Messor
"Do not clog intellect’s sluices with bits of knowledge of questionable uses."

[cmdrkoenig67]

LOL.

My main point with my little saying is that many adult comic-readers tend to constantly try and rationalize everything they read on the page(An example: The unnecessary need to know how Super-beings' powers work down to the most minute detail)...Yawn...

...Now where's the fun in that?

Dana :wink: