Vol.2 question

[-K-M-]

Right from the start I'm confused...always a good sign. I just picked up the entire vol.2, even though I mostly know what happenes. Anyways what timeline is this in? was that Wolverine/Guardian scene set in the past when he first found Wolverine and tried to be his friend. Or set just before vol.2 began. Next question, how could his claws penetrate the shields this time, when every single time prior Wolverine has tried he couldn't get through. *shrugs* He probally just lowered his shield due to he thought Wolvie was out.

[DelBubs]

I would put the Wolverine/Guardian thing at just before 'First Flight', well before Uncanny #120. The bit about the claws penertrating the forcefield could be explained away by summising that if Mac spent ten years refining the suit (was it ten, hard to remember the origin story) then when that Prometheus scene took place the field was not as powerful as it was in Uncanny #109.

Or not as the case may be.

[-K-M-]

It was during the Weapon Alpha days, just not sure exactally when.

Thanks for the input.

[DelBubs]

If it ws definately during the Weapon Alpha days then it can only bad writing. If Wolvie was stable enough to run First Flight and behave as he did at that time, then there's no feasable way he would gut Mac as severely as he did in vol 2. IMHO anyways.

[-K-M-]

If it ws definately during the Weapon Alpha days then it can only bad writing. If Wolvie was stable enough to run First Flight and behave as he did at that time, then there's no feasable way he would gut Mac as severely as he did in vol 2. IMHO anyways.

Indeed, here's what he said:

"You are James Macdonald Hudson, nicknamed "Mac", code-named Weapon ALpha and later Guardian--" *this is during when he gets stabbed by Wolverine

"Look I never told you, but back in the Weapon Alpha program, I was almost killed by Wolverine" pg.23
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Here are the scans

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlightv201-Horoscope-01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlightv201-Horoscope-02.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/AlphaFlightv201-Horoscope-03.jpg

[DelBubs]

Plus given that Mac was a civvie in First Flight while his suit was still in it's Grounhog configuration, then Wovie must have undergone some very severe regression between First Flight and the Prometheus scene.

Bad writing ?

[Ben]

I had it in my mind that it was this incident that was one of the deciding factors for wolvie to leave Canada when he joined up with the X-Men

Ben

[Powersurge]

For whatever it might be worth, Wolvie's suit is his early X-Men era suit, and not his "original" as per his first appearance in the Hulk.

[-K-M-]

I had it in my mind that it was this incident that was one of the deciding factors for wolvie to leave Canada when he joined up with the X-Men

Ben

I thought the incident with Bedlam and Heather were the main deciding factor to why he left.

Edit: How could Department H inject needles into Diamond Lil?

[Garry/Al-Fan]

...He probally just lowered his shield due to he thought Wolvie was out.

This is what I thought happened. Honestly, I never really tried to place where in MU continuity-time this happened; I just accepted that it did, as it ties in with UXM# 109, as I said before.

I could accept this incident a whole lot easier than Epsilon-Reds capturing Heather and Judd in a restaurant in broad daylight.

As for Dept. H injecting needles into Diamond Lil---now, that's just not giving any respect to the character. That, to me, is really bad writing because it's just doing whatever somebody wants to the character no matter how inconsistent it is with who/what Crawley is supposed to be.

[Ben]

As for Dept. H injecting needles into Diamond Lil---now, that's just not giving any respect to the character. That, to me, is really bad writing because it's just doing whatever somebody wants to the character no matter how inconsistent it is with who/what Crawley is supposed to be.

I made sense of this to myself by considering that Dept H. most likely still had the ray gun used to penetrate her skin to do the biopsy. Using that technology they could ave played around with her a bit.

Ben

[Powersurge]

Or perhaps they had an adamantium scringe (sp?); made from Wolvie's leftovers perhaps?

[Legerd]

Edit: How could Department H inject needles into Diamond Lil?

Mutant power dampener.

[Garry/Al-Fan]

...I made sense of this to myself by considering that Dept H. most likely still had the ray gun used to penetrate her skin to do the biopsy. Using that technology they could ave played around with her a bit.
Ben

Is it too much to ask that a reference, either by the writer or the editor, be made to that? Diamond Lil injected with Thetagen-X...geez.
What is Thetagen-X, anyway?

[kozzi24]

As for Dept. H injecting needles into Diamond Lil---now, that's just not giving any respect to the character. That, to me, is really bad writing because it's just doing whatever somebody wants to the character no matter how inconsistent it is with who/what Crawley is supposed to be.

I made sense of this to myself by considering that Dept H. most likely still had the ray gun used to penetrate her skin to do the biopsy. Using that technology they could ave played around with her a bit.

Ben
Or used cells from that biopsy to make the Lilli girl

[HappyCanuck]

Or used cells from that biopsy to make the Lilli girl

Quite plausible. Intangibility and invulnerability seems to be the opposites of the spectrum from each other, if the Vision is to believed...

[zekethegreat]

I personally believe that the flashback scene in Vol.2#1 was a implanted memory of the Maclone (or something like that)

Zekester

[-K-M-]

I personally believe that the flashback scene in Vol.2#1 was a implanted memory of the Maclone (or something like that)

Zekester

Could very well be, it was a messed up series with all the brain washing.

[-K-M-]

Another question how could Murmur break mesmero's control on Radius when she couldn't actually touch him? and how does Radius even go to the bathroom? :oops:

[kozzi24]

His force field had to be porous, because he could breathe, so he must have just went inside it and waited for any discharges to eventulally seep from the fottom of the force fields, and squich squich until it did.

You gotta have some level of suspension of disbelief...how did he wear clothes?

[-K-M-]

His force field had to be porous, because he could breathe, so he must have just went inside it and waited for any discharges to eventulally seep from the fottom of the force fields, and squich squich until it did.

You gotta have some level of suspension of disbelief...how did he wear clothes?

Well his shield did block Stacy X's pheromones

BWAHAHA I never even thought of that

[kozzi24]

Use the most basic explanation unless it becomes disproven: he had more subliminal or unconscious control over his shield than even he realized.

[-K-M-]

Use the most basic explanation unless it becomes disproven: he had more subliminal or unconscious control over his shield than even he realized.

Well lets hope he didn't actually die from Avalanche's attack and we find out.

[HappyCanuck]

As always with comics: Unless you see a corpse, safe bet they're not dead.... and even THAT's not fool-proof....

[DelBubs]

Use the most basic explanation unless it becomes disproven: he had more subliminal or unconscious control over his shield than even he realized.

Well lets hope he didn't actually die from Avalanche's attack and we find out.
Can I hope he did die and maybe in a very gruesome way. :-)

[HappyCanuck]

Can I hope he did die and maybe in a very gruesome way. :-)

Nope, sorry mate, against the rules.

[syvalois]

Can I hope he did die and maybe in a very gruesome way. :-)

Nope, sorry mate, against the rules.


Del I'm with you on that, I hope Radius is dead.


Do you forgive me for the wikipedia thing?

[-K-M-]

I didn't mind him all that much, he was pretty annoying 80% of the time but he still had potential.

[syvalois]

I didn't mind him all that much, he was pretty annoying 80% of the time but he still had potential.

I think in death he assumed his full potential :twisted:

[-K-M-]

I didn't mind him all that much, he was pretty annoying 80% of the time but he still had potential.

I think in death he assumed his full potential :twisted:

nuh uh....his full potential is growing claws on each hand, develop a healing factor as well have a addiction to cigars. He would be the most popular character in Marvel.

[DelBubs]

Do you forgive me for the wikipedia thing?
Course I do, but I still maintain your reading the wrong Wikipedia. :-)
And your comment on Radius's full potential, Spot On

[rplass]

nuh uh....his full potential is growing claws on each hand, develop a healing factor as well have a addiction to cigars. He would be the most popular character in Marvel.

Heh, Iceman makes the SAME joke in UXM #415 (which is an Alpha Flight appearance featuring Northstar's new X-Men costume) while teasing Archangel. Upon discovering that Warren has a healing factor in his blood, Bobby says, "So, what's next? You pop claws out of your forearms, develop a taste for beer and mousse your hair all pointy on the sides?"

Love,
rplass

[-K-M-]

Here's something interesting the the X-Men handbook about Murmur
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/ME2-071_Murmur.jpg

Teleportation

[zekethegreat]

Here's something interesting the the X-Men handbook about Murmur
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/ME2-071_Murmur.jpg

Teleportation

I suspected that, I mean how else could she have teleported Virgo in #1. but they never said it so I wasn't sure, did they say that it is her power later in the series?

Zeke

[Ben]

I figured she just used her powers of command to make Virgo use the Zodiak's teleportation devices. They did teleport several times through the series.

Ben

[-K-M-]

I suspected that, I mean how else could she have teleported Virgo in #1. but they never said it so I wasn't sure, did they say that it is her power later in the series?

Zeke

Yeah they never explained how she transported Virgo to Paris.


I figured she just used her powers of command to make Virgo use the Zodiak's teleportation devices. They did teleport several times through the series.

Ben

That's what I thought happened, but now the question is...do you take this serious? handbook are unreliable

[HappyCanuck]

What gets me is, all Murmur said to Virgo was 'Paris' and *POOF* she was gone! not only that, Virgo apparently developed amnesia for a little bit afterwards, until Taurus found her... some how, STILL not sure how Arlette did that, since 'Paris' isn't exactly a command (like when she touched Puck in v.2.1 and said 'Sleep'). If she had said 'go to Paris and forget who you are', that'd make sence...

[shaman]

I was watching the old X-Men cartoon and it was the episode about Genosha which featured J-M and J-P but my main thought was they were wearing the collars that disable a mutant power. Was that just in the cartoon or in the comics as well and if so, couldn't they just put one on Jared from time to time so he could do something normal like take a pee or physically eat food?

[zekethegreat]

I was watching the old X-Men cartoon and it was the episode about Genosha which featured J-M and J-P but my main thought was they were wearing the collars that disable a mutant power. Was that just in the cartoon or in the comics as well and if so, couldn't they just put one on Jared from time to time so he could do something normal like take a pee or physically eat food?

Even if it did exist (which it doesn't, but something similar does)it would just attach to his field and not disable anything. but once we say that comes the question: how did he wear clothes?
basically it all comes from writers ignoring what his power would actually do, but in comics you have to suspend disbelief.

Zeke

[HappyCanuck]

an inhibiter collar DOES exist in the MU, but, generally speaking, it's either much bulkier, or more 'comfortable'. There's an image of Cyclops (disguised as Polaris) wearing it in an older X-Men comic. if/when I can find it, I'll show you a scan.

[Le Messor]

I've always wondered why Rogue doesn't just put on an inhibitor collar, or similar. Magneto's Bermuda Island base had a power inhibiting field (which I think they'd put in every single shopping mall, to prevent thefts.)

- Le Messor
"You will rue the day! Well, start ruing!"
- Stewie Griffin

[PWalk]

I've always wondered why Rogue doesn't just put on an inhibitor collar, or similar. Magneto's Bermuda Island base had a power inhibiting field (which I think they'd put in every single shopping mall, to prevent thefts.)


Good point. That would be almost too easy though wouldn't it?

[DMK]

I believe the customary fanwank is that power inhibitor technology a) causes great discomfort in the short term and b) genetic damage to the subject in the long term.

[cmdrkoenig67]

an inhibiter collar DOES exist in the MU, but, generally speaking, it's either much bulkier, or more 'comfortable'. There's an image of Cyclops (disguised as Polaris) wearing it in an older X-Men comic. if/when I can find it, I'll show you a scan.

Cyclops...cross-dressing? I somehow missed that...LOL.

Dana

[HappyCanuck]

an inhibiter collar DOES exist in the MU, but, generally speaking, it's either much bulkier, or more 'comfortable'. There's an image of Cyclops (disguised as Polaris) wearing it in an older X-Men comic. if/when I can find it, I'll show you a scan.

Cyclops...cross-dressing? I somehow missed that...LOL.

Dana

X-Men #95, 1999 - the same issue where Wolverine was revealed to be Death III