Snowbird Question

[-K-M-]

Well since Snowbird could transform into Tanaraq and even Wendigo, is it even possible for her to transform into the other main Great Beasts? Like transform into Kolomaq and control winter or turn into Kariooq, etc.?

[Ben]

she could probably take thier forms, but not have any of thier powers beyond thier phisical atributes. So she could take the form of Tundra, but would not be able to get super big by absorbing the ground into her boday ect.

Ben

[-K-M-]

she could probably take thier forms, but not have any of thier powers beyond thier phisical atributes. So she could take the form of Tundra, but would not be able to get super big by absorbing the ground into her boday ect.

Ben

See that's what I wasn't sure about that from her comments when she battled Tanaraq.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight23-19.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight23-20.jpg

However, you could be right on that she would only get their physical abilities.

[Le Messor]

I think it's clear she couldn't, not as originally conceived. They're not Canadian. ("Neither Walter Langowski nor Tanaraq is from Canada");
But the later version, who could be a whale, probably could.

As to the powers--? I don't know. :oops:

- Le Messor
"By all means marry: If you get a good wife,you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher."
- Socrates

[-K-M-]

I think it's clear she couldn't, not as originally conceived. They're not Canadian. ("Neither Walter Langowski nor Tanaraq is from Canada");
But the later version, who could be a whale, probably could.

As to the powers--? I don't know. :oops:

- Le Messor
"By all means marry: If you get a good wife,you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher."
- Socrates

Well even her going to various dimensions they wern't Canada, but she never did lose her powers there. Even fairly recently she crossed over the border and AF battled the X-Men and she didn't lose her powers.

Oh yes that was a good issue with the Avengers and Alpha Flight battling Atlantis. Black Knight was impressed with her.

[Legerd]

The only limitation Snowbird's shape changing power had was she could only take the form of an animal native to Canada's arctic regions. She was able to take on Sas's form because the Langkowski/Tanaraq hybred body was "born" in the arctic. As to being able to cross the border without it killing her, it's believed that particular limitation was lost after she died and was ressurected by AIM.

[-K-M-]

it's believed that particular limitation was lost after she died and was ressurected by AIM.

AIM didn't ressurect her, they found her alive due to her rejuventation factor. I'll see if I can post scans later.

[Legerd]

it's believed that particular limitation was lost after she died and was ressurected by AIM.

AIM didn't ressurect her, they found her alive due to her rejuventation factor. I'll see if I can post scans later.

I have the story where they discuss it and someone (Mac or Walt) says it was a healing factor that brought her back, but I personally hate that explaination. After all, wouldn't the gods have said something to Shaman so he could go and get Snowbird instead of just letting AIM find her? It makes more sense, to me, since AIM was looking to collect mystical beings at the time that they would have located her gravesite and went to get a sample of her DNA (from the blood that would have been left frozen in the ice) which they used to clone her. After all whose body does Walt have if not Narya's?

[-K-M-]

it's believed that particular limitation was lost after she died and was ressurected by AIM.

AIM didn't ressurect her, they found her alive due to her rejuventation factor. I'll see if I can post scans later.

I have the story where they discuss it and someone (Mac or Walt) says it was a healing factor that brought her back, but I personally hate that explaination. After all, wouldn't the gods have said something to Shaman so he could go and get Snowbird instead of just letting AIM find her? It makes more sense, to me, since AIM was looking to collect mystical beings at the time that they would have located her gravesite and went to get a sample of her DNA (from the blood that would have been left frozen in the ice) which they used to clone her. After all whose body does Walt have if not Narya's?

It might not make sense at all [since Walter has Snowbird's remains], but it was still stated that she was brought back from rejuvenation not AIM's doing. I would perfer if it was them, but were changing the actual story.

For those who wanted to see the scans here they are...
1)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/Wolverine143.jpg

2)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/Wolverine14321b.jpg

3)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/Wolverine14322b.jpg

[-K-M-]

The only limitation Snowbird's shape changing power had was she could only take the form of an animal native to Canada's arctic regions.

To go with your point here she says things native to the artic
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c120/A_Flight2/AlphaFlight23-18.jpg

here is says any thing native to Canada
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/Wolverine172-07.jpg

[zekethegreat]

Isn't it possible that Snowbird could turn into Sasquatch because there is such a animal that lives in the North?(as seen in Vol. 2)

[DelBubs]

Isn't it possible that Snowbird could turn into Sasquatch because there is such a animal that lives in the North?(as seen in Vol. 2)
You have a good point there zeke. If as vol 2 showed, wild Sas's do exist, then Snowbird shouldn't have a problem assuming that form.

Oh and welcome to the boards.

[-K-M-]

Yep Sasquatch's do exist in the Marvel universe outside of Tanaraq
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlightv206-Wildlife-21.jpg

but when ever she transformed into the white Sasquatch she always made note she was doing it since the Great Beasts were formed in the North.

[kozzi24]

She may not have known the wild Sasses exist, but should still be able to take the form.

[-K-M-]

She may not have known the wild Sasses exist, but should still be able to take the form.

Well apparently she does have the wisdom of the gods, so I don't know about that. Still Great Beasts are from Canada so they should still be in her "range" of changing.

Edit: Would dinosaurs be in her "range" of transformations?

[HappyCanuck]

[quote=kozzi24]Well apparently she does have the wisdom of the gods, so I don't know about that. Still Great Beasts are from Canada so they should still be in her "range" of changing.

well, actually, TECHINCIALLY, the Great Beasts aren't from around here, since, in their original reign, Canada didn't exist. So I guess the same would apply to dinosaurs and other extinct animals...

[zekethegreat]

Wendigo also may be a natural creature like the sasquatches.
or a native to canada spirit.
check this out:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/wendigoblaze.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/wendigosm.htm

Zekearooni

[-K-M-]

well, actually, TECHINCIALLY, the Great Beasts aren't from around here, since, in their original reign, Canada didn't exist. So I guess the same would apply to dinosaurs and other extinct animals...

What I meant was their domain [as she calls it] was Canada or the area that would be Canada. Like the Gods of the Arctic main domain is in the north, and the Great Beasts would often battle with them so they had to be in the same domain. As Mauvais Wendigo said Canada was a lot more interesting place with magic back in the day and then he resurrected all these monsters very much like the Wendigo

[birdygirl]

It's an interesting point about Snowbird possibly taking the form of extinct animals native to Canada. I'd like to see her take the form of a Great Auk or woolly mammoth, myself.

[zekethegreat]

Talking about Snowbird here's another question:
How is it that originally she would become just like the animal she changed into, and when she changed from one animal to another it was very painful, and later on she's talking when she's an animal and easily changing from one to another?

Zeke

[-K-M-]

Talking about Snowbird here's another question:
How is it that originally she would become just like the animal she changed into, and when she changed from one animal to another it was very painful, and later on she's talking when she's an animal and easily changing from one to another?
Zeke

Yep, another thing is she had to go animal form to base form to another animal in that order to transform, but later she could start off as a cougar and instantly turn into a Wendigo.

[zekethegreat]

King Mungi:
That's exactly what I said.

The Zekemeister

[-K-M-]

King Mungi:
That's exactly what I said.

The Zekemeister

I know, I just used an example of it.

[shaman]

maybe is was a matter of self discipline to hone her skills.

[-K-M-]

maybe is was a matter of self discipline to hone her skills.

Quite possibly, since even Shaman didn't have that much control of his poutch when he inverted it. However, in Avengers he saved them all from an atomic blast and was pulling things out from thr poutch that were picking then the poutch mouth. Like prior he couldn't do that in the past, hence; why Beyonder had to save Talisman.

[zekethegreat]

maybe is was a matter of self discipline to hone her skills.

I first thought that, but then I read What if? Wolverine fought Weapon X (#62, i think), and there she's talking as an owl and changes from an owl to a bear.

Zeke

[Le Messor]

Somebody has to clear all this up. So, three words:

Bad writing.

(And, bad counting.) {sas}

- Le Messor
"Don't marry for money; you can borrow it cheaper."

[-K-M-]

No I don't think it's all bad writing, heroes can and have improved over time. I don't really take it as an error since it seems to be the norm today

[zekethegreat]

Well, would you call being able to talk as an animal an impovment on turning completely into an animal?
I say it's just silly turning into an animal and being able to talk normally.(and I think it's impossible too)

Zeke

[kozzi24]

The asbility to talk while in animal form does seem to contradict the limit to her power that if she stayed in animal form too long, the animal nature would take over.

[-K-M-]

Even the problem with her staying to long in animnal seems to also have gone the way of the dodo.

Also I would have loved if Snowbird could do this more frequently...
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d187/A_Flight/AlphaFlight35-23.jpg

[Legerd]

Well just get her knocked up and you will. :lol:

[-K-M-]

Well just get her knocked up and you will. :lol:

It's like christmas came twice this year:)

[-K-M-]

Wendigo also may be a natural creature like the sasquatches.
or a native to canada spirit.
check this out:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/wendigoblaze.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/wendigosm.htm

Zekearooni

Just found some information on the second Wendigo link

http://photobucket.com/albums/c365/A_Flight4/?action=view&current=WendigoBMasterEdition-14.jpg