Alpha Flight/Avengers North rumor

[langkowski_fan]

Hey. I just heard a rumor on another message board(actually, several message boards) that they may be planning to turn Alpha Flight into Avengers North, with Wolverine as the leader, with a few old Alpha stand-bys including Walt and probably Heather and Mac, and some other members to be determined. Any thoughts on this?

[varo]

link?

[-K-M-]

Seems many of the X-Men are spreading out around the world into their own factions, seems possible but I doubt it. Link?

[Mokole]

It would be OK, but one wonders how people would respond to LOgan running an Avengers branch and still being in 7 other comics. Oh, wait... :P

[Phil]

Some of us touched on it briefly in the final battle (http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtopic.php?t=1028) thread.

[birdygirl]

What "other members" would be there? I hope it would be the classic team, and not just one or two members of the originals, plus a large cast of unfamiliar new members. You'd think Marvel would learn from the mistakes of the past two Alpha Flight books.

[DelBubs]

What "other members" would be there? I hope it would be the classic team, and not just one or two members of the originals, plus a large cast of unfamiliar new members. You'd think Marvel would learn from the mistakes of the past two Alpha Flight books.
Hiya Sue, there's a couple of candidates (Not Northstar of course) here. (http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtopic.php?t=1124&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

[maniac mike]

Joe Q stated that Wolverine will be removed from X-men and Uncanny X-men, (he will still be in Astonishing X-men though) to limited his appearences in the Marvel Universe. Since he has another solo series coming out.

If you want to check it out, go to newsarama.com and check out Joe Fridays instalment.

MM

[mos_def]

If Logan does come back then I think AF will definitely get a series. It will also put a member that will bring back the missing members-ie, Northstar seeking out Logan and then Northstar seeking out Aurora.

Wolverine
Sasquatch
Puck
Vindicator
Guardian
Shaman

Ill take that team in a heart beat

[langkowski_fan]

I don't have any links to it...I'll have to search and see if I can find it again, then I'll post it here when I do. I agree with the roster you mentioned, mos_def...that would be one of the most awesome Alpha teams of all time, and it would definitely sell.

[cmdrkoenig67]

If Logan does come back then I think AF will definitely get a series. It will also put a member that will bring back the missing members-ie, Northstar seeking out Logan and then Northstar seeking out Aurora.

Wolverine
Sasquatch
Puck
Vindicator
Guardian
Shaman

Ill take that team in a heart beat

Add Northstar, Talisman and Snowbird to that group and it's a winner with me too. I think Wolverine could help the book be a better seller...that and a better premise(and stories) than the horror that was Vol 3.

"Avengers North" could work...but I'd much rather they be called Alpha Flight. There's no reason why Logan can't be a member of the group, regardless of the name.

Dana

[PWalk]

If it means another series for AF I am fine with Logan rejoining the squad. But it's not going to happen.

[birdygirl]

Thanks for the information on which members are most likely to be in it. I agree with cmdrkoenig67 that the line-up needs Northstar, Talisman, and Snowbird to be complete.

[Julesville]

Avengers North? That sounds so duuuuumb...

Maybe they could become another Avengers Westcoast, based in Vancouver, that way they could handle both Canadian and American stuff, as well as China and Russia and 'nem.

Maybe this could stem from a split by the old crew from Department H, which causes a trademark infringment dealie over the Alpha Flight name, but are allowed to continue with UN support with extended jurisdiction.

Hmm, maybe it's not such a dumb idea...

With a good writer, it could have a lot of potential. They could have another government run Alpha Flight that serve as non-hostile antagonists. They could have a core split within AF, like the hardcore-canadian, wolverine hater Guardian sticking with the old AF, Shamen and Sas, maybe even Heather. They could deal with Chinese assasins and ex-KGB members and Arctic monsters. They could have an internatal struggle between AF-Alumni and non-Canadian new guys.

This could give Major Mapleleaf the chance to evolve into a Captain America. And AF to get some f*cking respect.

Now it sounds like a great idea!!!!!!!!

Hope the find a good way to resolve the Vol. 3 b*ll****...

[HappyCanuck]

one slight glitch, Jules: unless things have changed in the last few months (only read the first arc of New Avengers), the Avengers currently have no standings with the UN, unlike before. Steve (Cap) wanted to break away from the political aspects and get back to the roots of the team. Thus, if Avengers North took flight (no pun intended), safe bet they'd be under the same jurisdiction.

[Defunct]

I call bull**** on this.

If this was posted on "several message boards", he'd be able to come up with a link. I'm betting someone said "I think they'll do an Avengers North", and suddenly random fanboy speculation becomes a "rumour". Bull.

[-K-M-]

I call bull**** on this.

If this was posted on "several message boards", he'd be able to come up with a link. I'm betting someone said "I think they'll do an Avengers North", and suddenly random fanboy speculation becomes a "rumour". Bull.

Yeah I think your right.

[DelBubs]

I call bull**** on this.

If this was posted on "several message boards", he'd be able to come up with a link. I'm betting someone said "I think they'll do an Avengers North", and suddenly random fanboy speculation becomes a "rumour". Bull.

Yeah I think your right.
Because we are so smart and smug and know every message board on the net. 1 (http://www.insidepulse.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=marvelcomics&Number=86416&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all) (3rd Message down), 2 (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-380517-rumor-is-west-coast-avenegrs-is-coming-back-2006-who-should-be-on-the-roster.html) (surprised you didn't get this one KM, considering you wrote the second message), 3 (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-380017-say-goodbye-to-alpha-flight.html), (Oh look KM again).

How many constitute several and how hard is it to google as opposed to calling somone a bull****ter. Avengers North as a google search generated over 1,000,000 results. If only .1 of a percent pertains to AF as Avengers North, I would call that more than several. Just an opinion.

[-K-M-]

First off I didn't say langkowski_fan was a bull****ter. First off I have heard this rumor myself HERE!, but as I said I still doubt it but I hope it's true as my posts state. Do I have proof that it will happen? no. Hence why I had no proof and say things like "They better not F'N kill them, I just hope it's a name change like Avengers North or something." Good lord I was being optomistic that it might be Sasquatch in the civil poster and I get yelled at in the other thread. This board is nuts.

We asked to see some links, yet we didn't see any. Get off your high-horse

[DelBubs]

Defunct calls bull**** on this and you say I agree. I guess that's tantamount to calling him a bull****ter yourself. langowski fan said he had seen rumours, you message and the others certainly look like a rumour to me. Check the topic at Bendis's own board (http://606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=45136&page=1&highlight=alpha+flight), which you mention in one of your messages at Killer Movies. I say rumour, there in black and white. You say bull**** ? I'll get off my high horse when ridiculous posts by people who can't be arsed to check for themselves stop appearing on forums I visit. Till then live with it or stop writing crap.

[Defunct]

I call bull**** on this.

If this was posted on "several message boards", he'd be able to come up with a link. I'm betting someone said "I think they'll do an Avengers North", and suddenly random fanboy speculation becomes a "rumour". Bull.

Yeah I think your right.
Because we are so smart and smug and know every message board on the net. 1 (http://www.insidepulse.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=marvelcomics&Number=86416&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all) (3rd Message down), 2 (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-380517-rumor-is-west-coast-avenegrs-is-coming-back-2006-who-should-be-on-the-roster.html) (surprised you didn't get this one KM, considering you wrote the second message), 3 (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-380017-say-goodbye-to-alpha-flight.html), (Oh look KM again).

How many constitute several and how hard is it to google as opposed to calling somone a bull****ter. Avengers North as a google search generated over 1,000,000 results. If only .1 of a percent pertains to AF as Avengers North, I would call that more than several. Just an opinion.

And a Google search for "Avengers Mexico" returned 657,000 results. Lets start that rumour too!

The problem with the internet is that you'll have smart people just thinking about possible future story lines for a comic for fun, and then some moron will come along and start dancing around the internet saying "OMG AVENGERS MEXICO STARRING ARANA". There's no source, and even if there was, there would be no source for that source.

Starting a thread about an idea is fine. Starting a thread about a so-called rumour and spouting off bullshiy information about something that doesn't exist is just annoying.

[DelBubs]

Hey. I just heard a rumor on another message board(actually, several message boards) that they may be planning to turn Alpha Flight into Avengers North, with Wolverine as the leader, with a few old Alpha stand-bys including Walt and probably Heather and Mac, and some other members to be determined. Any thoughts on this?
Thank you firstly Defunct for an intelligent response, but to get to the point in hand. Rumour, several message boards, any thoughts on this? All key statements, no one is forced to read this thread or to comment on it. Not being a statistician I would hazard that a good 80% of comic board chat is based on rumour and speculation. I just got a little ticked that a fairly new member to what is supposed to be a friendly forum is called for doing what the majority of us have done before.

[-K-M-]

Defunct calls bull**** on this and you say I agree. I guess that's tantamount to calling him a bull****ter yourself. langowski fan said he had seen rumours, you message and the others certainly look like a rumour to me. Check the topic at Bendis's own board (http://606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=45136&page=1&highlight=alpha+flight), which you mention in one of your messages at Killer Movies. I say rumour, there in black and white. You say bull**** ? I'll get off my high horse when ridiculous posts by people who can't be arsed to check for themselves stop appearing on forums I visit. Till then live with it or stop writing crap.

Oh no no no...I meant I agree I doubt Avengers North will happen. Hey I'm the one on the other boards talkingc about it hoping they turn into Avengers North. No your on your high horse since all of it is small rumor with no real substance or fact to it. Do I wish they would turn to Avengers North? yes. Do I see it happening? no. They also stated they would kill all the members of the team except Sasquatch or something to that regard. Anyone can make up anything doesn't make it a valid rumor. I'm on the different boards and no one has any fact to it and most of it is me saying Avengers North. What boards said Wolverine would be the leader? I want to see stuff like that



Thank you firstly Defunct for an intelligent response

Now your just being a jerk

[DelBubs]

Well in that case Mungi I apologise wholeheartedly, I wouldn't have commented on Defuncts comments if yours had not seemed to back it up.

As for being a jerk, I guess we all are at some times.
(Just on my way to the 'Northstar may be the new Death for Apocalypse' thread to call bull**** on that :-) (No basis, just speculation and rumour (northstar, apocalypse, death = 298,000 google items)) Must be true. I would have entered Horseman, but it seems I have that dubious distinction and a bloody high one at that.

[HappyCanuck]

YAY! I didn't start this one!

[Julesville]

one slight glitch, Jules: unless things have changed in the last few months (only read the first arc of New Avengers), the Avengers currently have no standings with the UN, unlike before. Steve (Cap) wanted to break away from the political aspects and get back to the roots of the team. Thus, if Avengers North took flight (no pun intended), safe bet they'd be under the same jurisdiction.

Whoops, thanks for the info, Happy!

Does anybody get the idea that the Canadian government in the Marvel Universe is a lot more militant and darker then in real life.

Granted, I don't know much about the Canadian government; but in the marvel universe they kidnap their citizens at random, experiment on them, create devastating weaponry, exploit their super-heroes to the breaking point, and a bunch of other mean stuff.

It's like in the States in the Marvel Universe, there are a bunch of vigilante outfits that the government just lets go about their buisness; X-Men, Spider-Man, Daredevil, etc., but in Canada, me thinks they wouldn't stand for rogue elements, and send AF to kidnap them and force them to work for the government.

I think this is an unrealistic interpretation, but then again, like I said, I don't know nothing about the Canadian government.

[-K-M-]

Well in that case Mungi I apologise wholeheartedly, I wouldn't have commented on Defuncts comments if yours had not seemed to back it up.

As for being a jerk, I guess we all are at some times.
(Just on my way to the 'Northstar may be the new Death for Apocalypse' thread to call bull**** on that :-) (No basis, just speculation and rumour (northstar, apocalypse, death = 298,000 google items)) Must be true. I would have entered Horseman, but it seems I have that dubious distinction and a bloody high one at that.

I apologize too; I think we all misinterpret each other. I would love it if Alpha Flight didn't die and would be so happy if all this was is just a name change. I would prefer if they kept their name, but if it’s a way to make them more mainstream to the Marvel audience then I’m for it.

That we are, that we are. Hey they have been hyping Northstar up in a few interviews and questions in the back of comics so him becoming a horsemen may be right. I just want them to actually do something with ALpha Flight rather than remain stagnate

[DelBubs]

I'm with you KM, I want Alpha back as a viable respected team, the core members as an Avengers affiliated team is not my ideal representation, but it's gotta be better than vol 3. Interprretation of comments are dependent on a persons mindset. 'Alpha's Final Battle' can be a name change, the demise of the team, new affiliations etc, etc.

[Mokole]

Well, I just guess that confirmation on anything about Alpha Flight (OK, anything good about Alpha Flight) is going to be hard to come by.

Old Joe Q has said 2-4 times on his Cup of Joe thingie that Northstar news is around the corner. I think this started in December, so is January or February 'just around the corner'? Doesn't seem like a "Frog and Toad All Year" type of statement.

Speculation about New Avengers is one thing, I hope that appearance will tell us something but we'll all try to mind read anyway. And why not? 8)

AF's appearance in NA to me, well, the cutline is just hyperbole. Lots of time those adverts say one thing and the comic another. Wait and see what the heck happens now.

But Northstar being a Horseman, Alpha Flight or Avengers North, Wolverine leading Alpha Flight, it's all just speculation with no hard copy to back it up.

Sure, I want Alpha Flight back. And I speculate with the best of them. But I can't seem to get any true hard copy to back any speculation up and turn it into a worthwhile rumour. Oh darn me! :(

[mvranas]

OMG - AVENGERS MEXICO STARRING ARANA! :shock:

... sorry, couldn't resist.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the New Avengers storyline, even with the ominous tagline. After two somewhat decent, but failed attempts at reviving a monthly book, I'm hoping that being featured in NA will bring Alpha more into the Marvel Universe proper, instead of the outer edges they've occupied for the last decade. At least a few of them are shown in the Civil War poster, so that's a step in the right direction.

Wolverine as a potential team leader is a concept with much potential, similar to what Byrne had originally planned for Alpha spinning out of the X-Men. Apparently, as the story goes, Claremont veto'd that move.

Regarding Northstar's status, rebirth as a horseman of apocalypse would be an interesting twist, did wonders for Angel in the original X-Factor book. I'm not sure if I would make him Death, though. Angel/Archangel had that cool life/death aspect. Maybe he could be War, since he was pro-life in Alpha #106.

Should be an eventful year.

-Mike

[langkowski_fan]

Damn, I hate I started this one! Thanks for the defense and everything guys that did, but I'm not "bull****ting", really. I mean, I actually doubt it'll happen this way, but events might go in a similar form. I'm just saying, "what IF it did happen?" geez, I think this is the last post I'm starting...

[-K-M-]

Damn, I hate I started this one! Thanks for the defense and everything guys that did, but I'm not "bull****ting", really. I mean, I actually doubt it'll happen this way, but events might go in a similar form. I'm just saying, "what IF it did happen?" geez, I think this is the last post I'm starting...

No, this post and your other ones are fine it;s just we wanted to see where you got the information from due to it relates to Alpha FLight's future. So everyone wants to know.

[Defunct]

Damn, I hate I started this one! Thanks for the defense and everything guys that did, but I'm not "bull****ting", really. I mean, I actually doubt it'll happen this way, but events might go in a similar form. I'm just saying, "what IF it did happen?" geez, I think this is the last post I'm starting...
Sadly, that's a lie. That's not what you said at all. What you did say was that you heard some very specific rumours on several message boards.

I have no problem with discussing possibilities; I love to do that. But what you were doing was spreading misinformation, and you need look no further than this very message board for people who believed your "rumour" was based in fact.

[Ben]

play nice kids or the threads gettin' locked down

Ben

[DelBubs]

Damn, I hate I started this one! Thanks for the defense and everything guys that did, but I'm not "bull****ting", really. I mean, I actually doubt it'll happen this way, but events might go in a similar form. I'm just saying, "what IF it did happen?" geez, I think this is the last post I'm starting...
Sadly, that's a lie. That's not what you said at all. What you did say was that you heard some very specific rumours on several message boards.

I have no problem with discussing possibilities; I love to do that. But what you were doing was spreading misinformation, and you need look no further than this very message board for people who believed your "rumour" was based in fact.
Look Defunct, how can it be a lie and disinformation. On several boards as I pointed out, the possibility was mentioned. LF just highlighted that and asked for comments on what he had seen. No lies no disinformation, just chit chat on various peoples opinions and speculation. I guess if we look hard enough into any post we could all find somthing to attack.

Langowski Fan, you start as many threads as you want about anything you want. The majority will either decline to comment or have an opinion. It would seem that a minority will ***** up a storm until they see it written in stone.

[Julesville]

Northstar become a horseman? Does that mean that Apacolypse is coming back? You'd think they'd keep that secret a little better.

[Phil]

http://hometown.aol.com/PhlpThomas/XMEN182.jpg

Not really a secret seeing as it's been solicited for over 2 months now.

And enough with the infighting people.

[langkowski_fan]

Thanks Delbubs. That's exactly what I intended to do with this thread. That's what I meant to say on my last post, but you vocalized it alot better than I did, thanks. I'm honestly trying to find what message boards I saw them on, but I can't remember the keywords I typed in to get them. If you remember any Delbubs, please post the links if you can so everyone can see, you might be more successful than I am. I didn't mean to cause any infighting or anything, just chat about my favorite heroes, so sorry if any trouble was caused because of me, definitely not what I intended when I came onto this board, cause it really is a great board, I'm glad that there is actually one dedicated to Alpha. Anyway, thanks so much.

[DelBubs]

Get your speculating hats on people, just nicked this from Joe Q's clumn at Newsrama (http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JoeFridays33.html)

JQ: It is indeed a new Spidey costume! By the way, Brian Bendis just came by and whispered in my ear, “What can be better than one Avenger’s book?” I just asked him what that meant and he walked away cackling…

And not one mention of Speedball :lol:

[maniac mike]

Looks like a certain team will have it's HQ back on the "West Coast".

MM :wink:

[kozzi24]

The whole rumor about the ddeath of Alpha started by a solicitation. couldn't the cover of Wolverine #142 have started a similar rumor? (Easiest link is through the Alpha Appearances column that Del so diligently maintains.)
All the harping on an Avengers North rumor, and the rumor does have some credibility by the solicitation of "Alpha Flight's last battle. Nothing was said that Alpha Flight dies.

[DelBubs]

I guess if you want somthing hard enough, even the most tenuous connection becomes further proof that what your wishing for is going to happen. You can even figure a scenario where the whole thing falls together and somhow works. Years of being an Alpha fan has taught me that :-)

As for the appearences section, that is dilligently maintained by Phil, but thanks for the thought Kozzi.

[Weapon Omega]

We've all heard the rumors, but let's remember the keyword, "rumors". I'll make some predictions after New Avengers #16. Am I excited about a possible new ongoing featuring Alpha characters-you better believe it!

Although I'm not to keen on the Avengers North name change, but if it gets Alpha characters in the spotlight again I say it's good for Alpha fans everywhere!!

Although I'm interested in seeing what part, if any, they will play in Civil War.

[Powersurge]

Yeah. I don't know about a team called "Avengers North". Heck even plain old "Avengers" doesn't exactly express the most heroic of sentiments, but then I guess it would be a good fit for a hero named "Vindicator". Maybe they can work something named "Feud" and/or "Vendetta" in there to for good measure. :roll:

[Weapon Omega]

Maybe they can work something named "Feud" and/or "Vendetta" in there to for good measure. :roll:

Let's not forget, "revenge" & "grudge" in there too. I saw on Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com) on Friday that the Marvel Creative Summit was last week. And I think Bendis hinted to another Avengers book that might be planned. He said something to Joe Q like "You know what would be better than ONE Avengers book?" Talk about an open-ended teaser!

This could be a hint to a possible Avengers West Coast revival. So, unfortuneatly, "Avengers North" may not be so far off.

I just hope they keep the name "Alpha Flight" it's one of the most original team names in Comic History. I can't wait for New Avengers #16, I just want to see Alpha Flight in a comic again damn it!

[Spyridona]

Okay, stupid theroy to add to the fire of rumor. I'm a usual at scans daily, I'm annoying and brash. And I'm looking through scans and ones with a recent Ultimate Spider Man thingy. So I look and what do I find?

A very obscure Alpha Flight Reference. Okay, so it was mention in Alpha Flight Vol 3., but you know how most writers are with the Alpha folks. They rarely look things up.

Apparently, Spider Man's been a thorn on for the company, Roxxon. I'm not quite sure if Bendis is still on the book, but if the dude waded through Alpha Flight Vol 3. or actually looked up Alpha Flight Vol 1., it left an impact. Maybe. He knows the score and likes Alpha Flight? Uhm... ah... silly theory, but y'know, two weeks and all...

[suzene]

I just hope they keep the name "Alpha Flight" it's one of the most original team names in Comic History. I can't wait for New Avengers #16, I just want to see Alpha Flight in a comic again damn it!

Ugh...the cynical part of me just came up with the worst joke ever.

How do you get an Alpha Flight relaunch to its second anniversary?

Put 'Avengers' on the cover.

Suzene (unfunny and should get some sleep)

[HappyCanuck]

Either that or make sure Wolverine appears somewhere near the issue...

[Le Messor]

Maybe they can work something named "Feud" and/or "Vendetta" in there to for good measure. :roll:
Let's not forget, "revenge" & "grudge" in there too.

Hmm... If only there was some way to work in a character named after, maybe, the Greek goddess of Vengeance? {nemesis}


I just hope they keep the name "Alpha Flight" it's one of the most original team names in Comic History. I can't wait for New Avengers #16, I just want to see Alpha Flight in a comic again damn it!

I couldn't stand another series with a couple of characters from our team, labelled Alpha Flight for no deserved reason, but having no real resemblance to the team or the book which brought me into comic books.

Nah, Marvel would never do that to us, would they? :roll:

(Sigh, I wish I could be less cynical).

- Le Messor
"You mean to say you put your father's skull in a ball for bowling?"
"No, the guy at the pro shop did it."
- Mystery Men

[RatCat]

Ummm… one of the messages linked (the one from inside pulse) was actually started by me.

No one there has any inside knowledge, it was just guessing at what they could do. Sorry if that lead to any false hope.

[Le Messor]

Yeah, I didn't get anything but a guess from that. I just took the next logical step.

Of course, Marvel's doing a lot of good things these days. Who knows, they might even now be able to do a good Alpha series? However they do it, post- last mission?

- Le Messor
"Tom, tonight the stars are out for a special sneak preview of a straight to DVD feature that will soon be in the 3.99 bin at your local car wash!"
- Family Guy

[DelBubs]

Langowski-Fan, how tempting is it to come back onto the forum with an "I told you so" :lol:

[JackFrostUK]

I just read New Avengers #16.....that's it? 4 pages of Alpha Flight.

Maybe this is the Alpha Flight from the past that appeared in vol 3?

[Ben]

Have a look in the Alpha News forum Jack, more disscission subjects on this than you can shake a wet monkey at.

Ben

[JackFrostUK]

In Alpha Flight vol 3. "days of future past present" Alpha flight in one alternate timeline become Alpha North America.

P.S. I know how to watch topics but where do i go to find the list of watched ones?

[Ben]

P.S. I know how to watch topics but where do i go to find the list of watched ones?

I'm workin' on that for you.

[EDIT]

This is now done. see http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtopic.php?p=16700

Ben