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[Mokole]

Originally Posted by Scratchy
Do you know if Mr. Millar will be using a Byrne-centric Alpha Flight or not?

Doesn't look as though there's an upright-standing Alpha Flight to field at this point.
Tom B

That doesn't answer the questioned asked, and it doesn't say anything about Alpha Flight we don't know, it just plays on what's seen in New Avengers, not what Mark Millar or Brian Bendis have stated. Just a joke response. And....


Originally Posted by Scratchy
Rich said his Alpha Flight news was not a joke, not just a rumour, sourced at Marvel and confirmed at Marvel.

I can guarantee you that nobody at Marvel confirmed Rich's story.
Tom B

Which also doesn't say much; Tom B didn't say "Rich is spreading rumours" or "Rich is wrong about Captain America" or "Rich was not stating any truth". Just that he's not going to say whether what Rich said is true or not. If nobody at Marvel confirmed it, who is Rich referring to as 'sourced at Marvel'? Plus....


Originally Posted by Ken Boehm
So, about that Alpha Flight project. True or not what Rich reported?

Has Rich ever been right about anything?
Tom B
An ambiguous answer, to me at least, how would I know if Lying in the Gutters has ever been right? I'd say it has to be right a lot, or why would anyone ever pay attention to it? In other words, Tom never confirmed nor denied that Rich was telling the truth.

So three responses that can be read to say that 'Lying in the Gutters' is just rumour-mongering, nothing else. :?: :roll:

[varo]

the man has never answered anything straight up, so this is not suprising.

[PWalk]

I'm with varo. The day you get a straight answer out of him on anything pigs will fly.

[Ben]

Considering this, and the response Joe Q gave me about the same subject, I get the impression Marvel tops don't have the time of day for "rumor mongers"


Sorry, Ben, but I don't address rumors from rumor sites like this.

Ben

[Legerd]

Well, maybe if they gave a straight answer for once the rumour mongers wouldn't have any business.

[Phil]

If they gave straight answers all the time we'd have less hits, less speculation, less conversation and less excitement when the project was actually announced.

It's a business folks...

[Legerd]

If they gave straight answers all the time we'd have less hits, less speculation, less conversation and less excitement when the project was actually announced.

It's a business folks...

Sorry, but all I feel is frustration not excitement. Speculation is fine in moderation, but when rumours are running wildly in all directions it would be nice (and IMO respectful to the fans) to rein them in. Plus the constant contradictions by the top guys over what seems to be every detail! Ugh, just let us know if there is a new series coming, roughly when and a hint as to who might be on the team, is that too much to ask? I'm sure there would be plenty of speculation, excitement and chatter leading up to the launch without the need for the crap that is currently going on.

[Mokole]

Agreed. Business ($ and cents) means you advertise, you get people excited. Rumours on top of rumours drive people away. Think of a car company, "They're going to release an updated version of the classic '57 Vette!" and rumours fly, hints about where and who, GM won't commit to a yes but help rumours fly, people get tired of nothing substantial and buy a Miata in disgust. GM finally announces it two years later, 30 000 new customers say screw you, we hate you for leaving us hanging. Over $15 million in lost sales per month.

Marvel now, through Millar, has confirmed that Alpha Flight is on the schedule. Now we speculate about writer, artist, characters, setting, size of the team, motivation for the team, powers,.... :D

[Obsidian3d]

I find it rather interesting that Marvel was planning a relaunch of Alpha Flight before the whole Civil War planning stuff even happened. I would have thought that the last series left a fairly bitter taste in their mouths due to poor sales. It must have been an interesting proposal for them to even consider it. I just hope it's not another "all new all different" book. A little different is ok, but the team just isn't right without a few of the iconic characters. One original member just isn't going to cut it for me.

[Mokole]

Well, he still says "No Alpha Flight plans in the works" but I sure like how Scratchy and CylverSable ask their questions anyway.

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?p=1204689#post1204689

And Scratchy asked if Marvel had a policy whereby if a series (say, Alpha Flight) was coming out after Civil War, would anyone at Marvel Editorial be allowed to even say 'yes' to it? No response from Tom :lol:

I think by not answering that, he did.

As many, many people post, if there is no Alpha Flight series, no writer, no proposal coming out of Civil War, then Tom Brevoort and Joe Quesada are calling Mark Millar A BLATANT LIAR and imply constantly that he's LYING.

But I really, really doubt Mr. Millar is lying or that he's a jerk out to screw Alpha Flight fans (and only Alpha Flight fans, note). Maybe things changed drastically after his proposal for Alpha Flight got accepted and the writer for AF talked to him (since he was away getting treatment for colitis, what one of my ex-relatives has), but you'd think the 'said writer' would call Mark Millar and tell him that Marvel fired him, so Alpha Flight is off the schedule.

So the deal is this: either Mr. Millar and Mr. Bendis are lying or being misled themselves, OR Mr. Brevoort and Mr. Quesada are lying. Since the latter two won't explain why the former two keep saying "here comes Alpha Flight", I believe the former.

(or is it they're calling Mr. Millar a liar, or saying that Marvel Editorial and Publishing lied to Mr. Millar? Somebody's lying, obviously, somewhere)

Can anyone ask Mr. Millar and Mr. Brevoort for more? I'm not going to log into any more boards nor do I have their emails. :roll:

[Ben]

Stay tuned, all will become clear soon enough 8)

Ben

[varo]

Originally Posted by varo
alright tom, now that millar all but confirmed a new alpha flight series in his newsarama interview, when can we expect a formal announcement?


Not any time soon. Mark has a tendency to try to make things he'd like to see happen happen by talking about them as though they're already happening. But "all-but-confirmed" isn't confirmed--and there's still no ALPHA FLIGHT series in development.

Tom B

[Phil]

Agreed. Business ($ and cents) means you advertise, you get people excited.

How can you advertise something that doesn't exist?

Surely it's better to get everything dotted and crossed before promising possible false hope and letting people down if things fail?

[varo]

thats true, a accepted proposal does not mean a seies is ready to launch.

still have to sort out arists, colorists, editors, when to launch, etc...etc...


so i can sorta see why the marvel brass is not confirming anything.

[Mokole]

Stay tuned, all will become clear soon enough 8)

Ben

Thanks again, Ben, I hope you have the right to give out the good news before Christmas :shock:

So many rumours, I guess Marvel didn't know how many AF fans there really were and how vocal they'd be when they started leaking bits of info after 'killing' AF in NA #16. :o

[Phil]

Or they knew exactly how many there were and just wanted 'fans' to voice their opinion and then be enraged enough to want to actually buy a series fourth time around.

By 'fans' I mean all the people that are on boards etc spouting off about how wrong it is that AF are 'dead' but who never gave volumes 1,2,3 support through sales.

[varo]

us hardcore fans will always be there, attracting and keeping the casual fans will, and always has been, the problem.

[Powersurge]

<----- Casual fan that was very upset to see AF killed... 'cause I didn't actually get to SEE them GET killed. I mean, if you're goiong to kill someone/s (w/a degree of prominence) in the comics...

[Le Messor]

<----- Disturbingly obsessive fan that was very upset to see AF killed... 'cause I didn't actually get to SEE them GET killed. I mean, if you're goiong to kill someone/s (w/a degree of prominence) in the comics...

[cmdrkoenig67]

Or they knew exactly how many there were and just wanted 'fans' to voice their opinion and then be enraged enough to want to actually buy a series fourth time around.

By 'fans' I mean all the people that are on boards etc spouting off about how wrong it is that AF are 'dead' but who never gave volumes 1,2,3 support through sales.

Uh Phil....How do you know that they're not buying them?

Dana

[Phil]

Cos if every single person that I've seen complaining about the death of Alpha Flight on Newsarama, ComiXfan, Pulse, Jinxworld, Millarworld, Quesada's board etc etc bought Alpha Flight it'd be the biggest selling book in the world ever.

[Legerd]

That's true. I remember on more than a few of them quotes along the lines of: "I've never collected AF, but...". I just hope that whatever Marvel comes out with will get those people interested enough to pick up the book and maybe become fans. [-o< For some reason I'm feeling really positive about this new series.

[cmdrkoenig67]

As an old AF fan...I have purchased every volume...if the new series is Wolverine and the original Alphans with a new name, I'll give it a try. If it's a bunch of deserter Americans, with a couple of Canadian characters thrown in....I'll pass. I will not support another crap series...period. In fact, I almost dropped volume three...I really hate what Lobdell did.

Dana

EDITED for new typos....LOL

[varo]

i couldn't agree more. series 3 was a disaster and set the franchise back in terms of respectability and credibility, it pained me to read every issue.

[Shaman Of The Whills]

Well, as to the number of people complaining about the possibility of the Alpha deaths, I don't think that would be at all connected to or indicative of the number of purchases... I mean, look at the multitude of people that came out in support of the Thing... and the next week it STILL got cancelled. *shrugs*

[kozzi24]

My speculation of the truth of the rumor from phrases like "there is no Alpha Flight book and Alpha Flight fans will never be happier":

a deserter-centric book following American heroes and villains trying to escape to Canada...and met by Alpha Flight. Think of Alpha as the Sally Floyd of the recent Generation M.

[Von Allan]

I'm with Dana and Varo - I'd rather them wait and get it right instead of rushing out a fourth series. Mainly because if a fourth series dies a quick death, that might be it for the foreseeable future.

Slow and steady, build it up, get a lot of issues in the can first so the book ships monthly (no lateness) and keep the dynamic that characterized Byrne's run.

Von