Alpha/Omega

[DelBubs]

Discuss (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82746)

"Are you accepting submissions of ideas for a new Alpha Flight?" he asked. Cebulski reluctantly agreed to hear his idea for a new Alpha Flight.

Bendis announced that he would change the name of the Canadian superhero team to Omega Flight, and he'd have Michael Avon Oeming write it with Scott Kolins on art.

Cebulski approved the idea right then, and announced that in 2007, the team of Oeming and Kolins, who were seen together most recently on Thor: Blood Oath, would be reuniting on an ongoing Omega Flight comic.

[Canucklehead]

Here's a link to a sample of Kolins art. Pretty good, I think we were spoiled with the art in v3.. but then I think of the writting and that thought passes.

http://www.thepunisher.com/past_news/august_2004/marvel_team-up_1.jpg

Does "Omega" sound cooler then "Alpha"? Will the villains ban together to protect Canada like the Thunderbolts did? Anyone read anything by Oeming?

I'm just happy they announced SOMETHING!

[DelBubs]

Scott Kolins Forum (http://www.comicbloc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15)

Michael Avon Oeming Forum (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/forumdisplay.php?f=9)

Oeming is a name I'm familiar with, mainly for his work on Powers.
Another link (http://www.mike-oeming.com/).

I'm just glad we are getting something. What? Well prolly only Ben from here will know, but it's something none the less. :lol:

Interview with Kolins and Oeming re Omega Flight (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/features/115723113681308.htm)

Check the pic at the bottom.

[Oeming]

Hey guys! You have an amazing board here. The first place I come for research!

Anyway, I hope you guys are on board for the ride. Here's some more details.

Mike Avon Oeming

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/features/115723113681308.htm

[DelBubs]

Welcome Mike (okay to call you Mike? :) ) You beat me to the punch re the interview. Still welcome to the forum and thanks for dropping in, it is appreciated.

[varo]

before i even read any of those links, i can't even begin to tell you how pumped i am to have a quality writer like mike on board.


does it say anywhere in there how many of the original flight will be involved?

[varo]

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/features/images/0608/omega/omegaflight.2.jpg



thank god!

guardian is on the team. looks like beta-ray bill and usagent as well, which kinda seems like the hand me downs of the originals.

unless, that is capt. america, which i highly doubt.

[DelBubs]

I take it your referring to this the image posted by Varo.
As for who is who, I get Guardian, Cap, Thor, Spider-Woman 2 (The one from Force Works) and the other I have no idea.

Edited to take into account Varo's post, So not Thor (good point as he would seem to be on Starks side), but I still reckon Cap.

[varo]

i think it may be aurora with a extreme makeover.


either that or storm.

[-K-M-]

OMG...I'm so exited, and could it be Talisman?

[DelBubs]

Talisman is a possibility, good eye KM.

[Oeming]

before i even read any of those links, i can't even begin to tell you how pumped i am to have a quality writer like mike on board.


does it say anywhere in there how many of the original flight will be involved?

Hey Varo, thanks! I cant say much about the book yet, but because this board has been so vigilant, I will promise you guys that while this book goes in its own direction and is not attempting to relive Flight of the past, the orginial Flight will be hugely respected and often become a part of the series in one way or another.

I'll be by all the time doing more research, and I'll ask questions from time to time.

The one thing I'll ask of the board (because you ARE hard core fans) is to allow the first 3 issues or so time to sink in, establish its own thing. I typically layout questions for the reader to ask, I never lay it all out at once or spoon feed the reader in any way. im all about listening to the readers, YOU are who these books are for after all.

Anwyhoo, Im way excited, Scott Kollins and the editor are HUGE old school fans, so you guys have a voice on the book for sure!

M!

[-K-M-]

Talisman is a possibility, good eye KM.

I'm thinking it is, as her forehead seems to be glowing and I guess only Guardian survived?...OH MAN I'M SO Still STOKED!

[-K-M-]

Hey Varo, thanks! I cant say much about the book yet, but because this board has been so vigilant, I will promise you guys that while this book goes in its own direction and is not attempting to relive Flight of the past, the orginial Flight will be hugely respected and often become a part of the series in one way or another.

I'll be by all the time doing more research, and I'll ask questions from time to time.

Anwyhoo, Im way excited, Scott Kollins and the editor are HUGE old school fans, so you guys have a voice on the book for sure!

M!

Well if you respect the ALpha Flight of old that is all we can still only really ask

Well gotta reccomend you visit the Alphanex, the best sourse of Alpha Flight information :)

That's great to hear, and I'm very pleased you will be having a part in this book. It shows a great deal of class you would even sign up and post here.

I'm looking forward to this with great optimism.

[DelBubs]

KM there's a larger copy of that pic at JinxWorld (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=84107), and that really does look a lot like Talismans Coronet centre piece.

As to Mike Oemings request, I'm more than willing to give the book a few issues to establish itself. With someone of his reputation writing, we can't really go wrong on this.

[-K-M-]

KM there's a larger copy of that pic at JinxWorld (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=84107), and that really does look a lot like Talismans Coronet centre piece.


I'm 100% it is now.

MAO: Well, I can’t give that away yet. I will say that only one team member who has previously been in Flight will be on the team, but we will be seeing the return of at least one of the members killed in the New Avengers. But with flashbacks and such, we’ll also get a glimpse of the team in its glory from time to time.

[DelBubs]

As has been revealed Guardian is making yet another come back, that would seem to suggest that many an Alpha mainstay has bought the farm. Can we take a minute to remember the fallen :( :cry:

[-K-M-]

As has been revealed Guardian is making yet another come back, that would seem to suggest that many an Alpha mainstay has bought the farm. Can we take a minute to remember the fallen :( :cry:

Man I can't believe Puck, Sasquatch, Shaman and Vindicator are actually dead.

This is apparently Alpha Flight's last chance:
"Plus, I feel with all the baggage and the past performance of previous volumes, that this is a way to give Alpha Flight one last chance: “Omega” as in “the end,” as in final chance for Flight."

[Canucklehead]

Well, we can't be 100% sure that's James Hudson. Maybe he died and it's Michael or Walter... or even MML are taking his place.

I guess that would be pretty ironic, the one guy to fall in the classic ish 12 would be the only survivor.

Edit: I wonder where this leaves the Baubiers. X-Men villains?

[varo]

all we can ask for is the title and characters that we love be treated with respect, and from everything i have read it looks like you guys are oldschool (or should i say alpha's glory days) fans.

i know it's a mixed bag around here, but i personally hated version 3 and still have a bad taste in my mouth for it, so hearing a quality writer, that has as much respect for the characters as we do, coming on board is the best news i have heard about these characters in a very long time.

good luck mike, we are all looking forward to where you take the series from here.

any word on when the series may be coming out?

[DelBubs]

Well, we can't be 100% sure that's James Hudson. Maybe he died and it's Michael or Walter... or even MML are taking his place.

I guess that would be pretty ironic, the one guy to fall in the classic ish 12 would be the only survivor.

Edit: I wonder where this leaves the Baubiers. X-Men villains?

With that colouring it could be Jimmy Mac in his Antiguard personna :wink: Plus out of all those laid low by the Collective, he's seems the most likely to survive that assault, it's not like he ain't done it before :?

As for Northstar and Aurora, at least they are getting some airtime and maybe one day they'll be back.

[varo]

yep, thats talisman for sure. that is awesome.

[Canucklehead]

http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegaflight2.jpg

I see a Tiara. Is that a medicine bag? Meh maybe just cloth.

[-K-M-]

http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegaflight2.jpg

I see a Tiara. Is that a medicine bag? Meh maybe just cloth.

It's definitely Talisman, as a member from Alpha Flight's past will be joining the new team. I say give the Shaman's pouch to Earthmover if Shaman is actually dead.
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What annoyed me in the interview is they stated this is Alpha Flight's last chance, I have seen more characters and teams getting more revamps, new series and a new directions more so than Alpha Flight. So why would it be their last chance?

[Canucklehead]

What annoyed me in the interview is they stated this is Alpha Flight's last chance, I have seen more characters and teams getting more revamps, new series and a new directions more so than Alpha Flight. So why would it be their last chance?

Scare tactics so that any Alpha fan that passes this series up like V3 will be scared into buying it just because it may be the last chance. :wink:

I hope that is Cap and not US Agent. It would bring in so many more readers if it's the real deal. And as someone stated in the newarama thread, it's Captain America, not Captain USA a nice name loophole :D

[-K-M-]

I hope that is Cap and not US Agent. It would bring in so many more readers if it's the real deal. And as someone stated in the newarama thread, it's Captain America, not Captain USA a nice name loophole :D

It probally is Captain America as he isn't part of the Mighty Avengers book coming out in Februrary.
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Omega Flight II entry added: http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Omega_Flight_II

Someone want to do the honours of writing up a brief run down of what we know thus far.

[Canucklehead]

It probally is Captain America as he isn't part of the Mighty Avengers book coming out in Februrary.

Hmm, so who's the Captain America leading the New Avengers? Clint Barton?

[DelBubs]

I hope that is Cap and not US Agent. It would bring in so many more readers if it's the real deal. And as someone stated in the newarama thread, it's Captain America, not Captain USA a nice name loophole :D

It probally is Captain America as he isn't part of the Mighty Avengers book coming out in Februrary.
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Omega Flight II entry added: http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Omega_Flight_II

Someone want to do the honours of writing up a brief run down of what we know thus far.
First off KM, that would be Omega Flight 3, not nit picking, but given how important this all is to Alpha mythos etc...

As to what we know or think so far,
Omega Flight will be written by Mike Avon Oeming with art by Scott Kolins. It should come out early 2007 which is what has been speculated upon quite a bit here. Members will probably be
Guardian
Captain America
Beta Ray Bill
Spider Woman 2
Talisman.

The first arc will be 5 or 6 issues long then a stand alone so newcomers can come aboard then another multi issue arc probably five issues long.

That's about all I know.

[-K-M-]

Hmm, so who's the Captain America leading the New Avengers? Clint Barton?

Mrs.Marvel. The team consists of Black Widow, Wonderman (depowered), Iron Man, Wasp and Aries

Also was that Julia Carpenter in Omega Flight?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Works

[-K-M-]

First off KM, that would be Omega Flight 3, not nit picking, but given how important this all is to Alpha mythos etc...

As to what we know or think so far,
Omega Flight will be written by Mike Avon Oeming with art by Scott Kolins. It should come out early 2007 which is what has been speculated upon quite a bit here. Members will probably be
Guardian
Captain America
Beta Ray Bill
Spider Woman 2
Talisman.

The first arc will be 5 or 6 issues long then a stand alone so newcomers can come aboard then another multi issue arc probably five issues long.

That's about all I know.

I know, but Ben instructed me to put Omega Flight II into the Omega Flight page

http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Omega_Flight

edit: Oh hell I will seperate them myself.

edit: Fixed- http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Omega_Flight_III, but someone has to edit the Omega Flight entry to "Omega Flight I"

[Canucklehead]

Hmm, so who's the Captain America leading the New Avengers? Clint Barton?

Mrs.Marvel. The team consists of Black Widow, Wonderman (depowered), Iron Man, Wasp and Aries

Also was that Julia Carpenter in Omega Flight?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_Works

That's Mighty Avengers, there's two books that and New Avengers, which they say "Cap" will be leading.

[DelBubs]

First off KM, that would be Omega Flight 3, not nit picking, but given how important this all is to Alpha mythos etc...

As to what we know or think so far,
Omega Flight will be written by Mike Avon Oeming with art by Scott Kolins. It should come out early 2007 which is what has been speculated upon quite a bit here. Members will probably be
Guardian
Captain America
Beta Ray Bill
Spider Woman 2
Talisman.

The first arc will be 5 or 6 issues long then a stand alone so newcomers can come aboard then another multi issue arc probably five issues long.

That's about all I know.

I know, but Ben instructed me to put Omega Flight II into the Omega Flight page

http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Omega_Flight

I added your part to the page

edit: Oh hell I will seperate them myself.
KM leave as is, I went to Alphanex after writing the last post and realised what had happened, it's no biggy. However, what is telling is the following from Mike Oeming at JinxWorld (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=84107&page=2)
Only one Canadian?

Maybe Cap America in the Guardian suit and US Agent as the Captain :?

[-K-M-]

KM leave as is, I went to Alphanex after writing the last post and realised what had happened, it's no biggy. However, what is telling is the following from Mike Oeming at JinxWorld (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=84107&page=2)
Only one Canadian?

Maybe Cap America in the Guardian suit and US Agent as the Captain :?

To late, it's already seperated :cry:

[DelBubs]

Now I feel bad KM, :cry: hopefully I didn't offend, no offence was intended.

[NickT]

I hope that is Cap and not US Agent. It would bring in so many more readers if it's the real deal. And as someone stated in the newarama thread, it's Captain America, not Captain USA a nice name loophole :D
The trousers indicate USAgent to me.

[-K-M-]

Now I feel bad KM, :cry: hopefully I didn't offend, no offence was intended.

No offence taken, oh well I guess it's for the best they are seperated now.

[-K-M-]

Wait...does US Agent even have that design for a shield?

[Canucklehead]

I hope that is Cap and not US Agent. It would bring in so many more readers if it's the real deal. And as someone stated in the newarama thread, it's Captain America, not Captain USA a nice name loophole :D
The trousers indicate USAgent to me.

I'm just wondering what reason US Agent would have to come to Canada. Captain America has reasons to run, but US Agent should be just what Sheild is looking for and he's the type to follow them.

[-K-M-]

I'm just wondering what reason US Agent would have to come to Canada. Captain America has reasons to run, but US Agent should be just what Sheild is looking for and he's the type to follow them.

I'm just skeptical as Mark Millar said Captain America wasn't going to be leaving the United States.

[Canucklehead]

I'm just wondering what reason US Agent would have to come to Canada. Captain America has reasons to run, but US Agent should be just what Sheild is looking for and he's the type to follow them.

I'm just skeptical as Mark Millar said Captain America wasn't going to be leaving the United States.

Captain America won't cause he'll be Clint Barton, Steve Rogers on the other hand is as free as a bird and may just become Cap or something. :wink:

[DelBubs]

That would be my thinking on US Agent, during his initial appearences he followed some exteme right wing ideologies so I can't see him going against the Super Hero Registration act, but I could be wrong.

[varo]

i forget what usagents shield looked like, but you may be right, i don't think it was that big of a "knockoff"

mike oeming is saying only one canadian.....


hmmm....

i wonder if thats a newbie in the guardian suit.

[-K-M-]

Captain America won't cause he'll be Clint Barton, Steve Rogers on the other hand is as free as a bird and may just become Cap or something. :wink:

Very well could happen, but I just remembered US Agent did have that design of shield but no star in the middle (AF #102)

[NickT]

i forget what usagents shield looked like, but you may be right, i don't think it was that big of a "knockoff"

He used two in New Invaders:

http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/cap/usagent/JohnWalker_USAgent-Invaders_2_TC.gif http://jerome.galica.free.fr/marvel/Avengers/cap/usagent/JohnWalker_USAgent-Invaders_4_TC.gif


The stars pop out on #1.

[-K-M-]

i forget what usagents shield looked like, but you may be right, i don't think it was that big of a "knockoff"

mike oeming is saying only one canadian.....


hmmm....

i wonder if thats a newbie in the guardian suit.

But the interview stated their would be a survivor from New Avengers #16 joining the team. Who else could it be? unless he wasn't in the promo peice.

[DelBubs]

Over on Newsrama someone is suggesting the Hulk with Thors hammer and at JinxWorld Mike Oeming poses the question "Who says that's Beta Ray Bill". So in reality we still know sweet FA :-)

Talisman : Evens
Guardian (Steve Rogers) 4/1
US Agent (As The Captain) 7/1
Spider Woman 2 20/1 (could be some called Arachne ???)
HulkaThor 20/1

It's fun to speculate :? :shock:


But the interview stated their would be a survivor from New Avengers #16 joining the team. Who else could it be? unless he wasn't in the promo peice.
'Joining the team', would suggest that the team is established when the survivor joins, so we may not see them for a few issues.

[Canucklehead]

There's also no clear A on his forhead. Another clue which might be Steve taking the name "The Captain" or something, leaving out the America.

[-K-M-]

Over on Newsrama someone is suggesting the Hulk with Thors hammer and at JinxWorld Mike Oeming poses the question "Who says that's Beta Ray Bill". So in reality we still know sweet FA :-)

Talisman : Evens
Guardian (Steve Rogers) 4/1
US Agent (As The Captain) 7/1
Spider Woman 2 20/1 (could be some called Arachne ???)
HulkaThor 20/1

It's fun to speculate :? :shock:

It better not be the russian Thor from the People's Proctate

[-K-M-]

'Joining the team', would suggest that the team is established when the survivor joins, so we may not see them for a few issues.

Very possible, here's the exact quote:

MAO: Well, I can’t give that away yet. I will say that only one team member who has previously been in Flight will be on the team, but we will be seeing the return of at least one of the members killed in the New Avengers. But with flashbacks and such, we’ll also get a glimpse of the team in its glory from time to time.

[Tiberius Bane]

Wow. I havent been here in years!

Some of you folks may remember me from a long time ago (when we had to add everyones addresses to our own mailing lists) though I doubt it.

Alpha Flight is dead but Omega Flight lives on huh? Not sure how I feel about it. Curious to see who is in the Guardian costume. Big fan of Oeming and Kolins so Im going to be along for the ride.

Now with with Alpha (Omega) Flight back I look forward to having lots of conversations about or favourite Canadian superheroes.

Mike M.

[DelBubs]

I don't remember the moniker, but do remember the time when we had to add out name to the list so we all got the e-mails. Mike M has a fmiliar ring about it, but that could just be my memory playing games.

I'm willing to see how this pans out, some Alpha/Omega has got to be better than non at all (I don't count vol 3 :-) ).

That said, maybe a belated welcome to Tiberius Bane is in order as well as hearty welcomes to NickT and Oeming. Welcome to you all.

[varo]

i used to love kollins when he was on the flash. haven't seen to much of his marvel stuff though.

is it just me or does it seem like his art is "white washed"?

i wonder if thats on purpose?

[DelBubs]

Meanwhile, over at Newsarama (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82746&page=3)

Also, in last week's Joe Quesada Friday Q & A piece, he responded with this to someone who was inquiring as to an ongoing Beta Ray Bill series written by Oeming:

JQ: Howard, the reason you don't remember the announcement is because there wasn't any such announcement that I'm aware of. But, that said, Oeming will not be writing a Beta Ray Bill book any time in the near future but he will be writing Beta Ray Bill. Okay, I hope that clears things up for you.

Confusion Reigns :?

[HappyCanuck]

KM there's a larger copy of that pic at JinxWorld (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=84107), and that really does look a lot like Talismans Coronet centre piece.



OOOOH YEAH!! that DEFINATELY has to be Talisman!! And until someone like Mike tells me otherwise, I won't be swayed!

[Canucklehead]

http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegaflight.jpg

Something I just noticed, behind Guardian and Cap, theres a large black area. Is it a cape or "Spider-Woman"s hair? And why isn't "Beta Ray Bill"s' 2nd foot touching the ground?

Edit: D'oh the Cape is Beta's isn't it? But he's still missing a foot lol

[-K-M-]

Something I just noticed, behind Guardian and Cap, theres a large black area. Is it a cape or "Spider-Woman"s hair? And why isn't "Beta Ray Bill"s' 2nd foot touching the ground?

It's BRB cape and her hair joining

[Canucklehead]

But still standing on one foot lol.

I'm excited for the change because reading other boards, people who normally wouldn't read alpha are excited and want to pick this up. On the other hand... the originals we love so dear are dead.. which you know, sucks and which may turn off the die hard fans.

So.. is baby Hudson an orphan?

[-K-M-]

But still standing on one foot lol.

I'm excited for the change because reading other boards, people who normally wouldn't read alpha are excited and want to pick this up. On the other hand... the originals we love so dear are dead.. which you know, sucks and which may turn off the die hard fans.

So.. is baby Hudson an orphan?

I know, it really sucks.

I bet there are other survivors, and if she is then so is Major Mapleleaf's daughter as well

I wonder if instead of BRB it's a Asgardian Box bot :)

[Canucklehead]

I hope Oeming is still reading this because I don't know how common knowledge the baby is.

I'd like to know what the plan is for "The Collective". He left NA looking to be a hero. Might HE be the man in the guardian suit? If not, what did Bendis have planned for him? What better way to repay the debt of life taken, then by following in that persons footsteps? Just a theory. He IS a "survivor of the encounter" after all. He was from Alaska and there's only suposed to be one Canadian at first. Talisman.

PS
I miss Sasquatch.

[-K-M-]

I hope he doesn't join the team, I dispise the Collective

[DelBubs]

I hope he doesn't join the team, I dispise the Collective
I'm with you, the last thing Omega (do you know how difficult to type Omega after 22 years of saying Alpha?) is a member with a trolley full of emotional baggage. Alpha had it's fair share of those.

[Canucklehead]

Same here. Pffft, mail men, always going crazy going on a rampage. I'd rather not see "Micheal Porter" dawn the red and white. Although it is scarily still a possibility. Maybe as a villain would be ok. SO they can kick his arse!

[maniac mike]

All I know is that I have a nice, warm feeling all over about the news of a new AF...er, OF book. =P~

I remember that Ben said you would hate at first then love it later, will I love it now!

MM

[Canucklehead]

It does feel good now that we know it's real and see a visual. We'll see about the hate at first/love later. Is something happening later or will it just that it'll grow on us?

Anyhoo I'm just happy and wondering why there's only like 5 people in this thread!! This is big news! And it is officially Sept 3rd so happy birthday to me! What a great gift!

[-K-M-]

wikipedia already added Omega Flight:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Flight

Alpha Flight:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_flight

[rplass]

KD: Uh huh. Let me at least try to get you to expand on your teases: which character has been your favorite to write so far?

MAO: I can’t say that either...

Ah, what the hell. I’ll say it. [CENSORED BY MARVEL COMICS] is my favorite character. That’s a bit obvious, but he is. [CENSORED BY MARVEL COMICS] is fun too because he’s a bit of a cold bastard, and that’s always fun.

But that’s all I can reveal.

I wonder if MAO is referring to the same character in each sentence or two different characters. Who do you think he is referring to? Wolverine?

Love,
rplass

[-K-M-]

I'm pretty sure it's Beta Ray Bill he was talking about

[Tiberius Bane]

I don't remember the moniker, but do remember the time when we had to add out name to the list so we all got the e-mails. Mike M has a fmiliar ring about it, but that could just be my memory playing games.

I'm willing to see how this pans out, some Alpha/Omega has got to be better than non at all (I don't count vol 3 :-) ).

That said, maybe a belated welcome to Tiberius Bane is in order as well as hearty welcomes to NickT and Oeming. Welcome to you all.

Hi Del. Went just by Mike back then. I also participated in that huge round robin Alpha Flight fan fic that went around back in 1998 or so.

With only one Canadian on the team, Im guessing that isnt Talisman. At least not the Talisman we know. Obviously the Canadian will be in the Guardian suit. Weather its Mac or not we probably won't find out until the series launches. Im still not sure how I feel about this. Alpha Flight is Canada's super team. It doesnt make sense to have only 1 Canadian on it. But I do agree that Alpha Flight has so much baggage it would be easier to start over with a new group and name. Doesn't mean I still buy into it all though. But as I said earlier. With the creative team, Ill give it a shot for sure.

MikeM

[Mokole]

AWESOME :D :D :D

Welcome Tiberius, Nick, and Mr. Oeming!

WOO HOO!

OMEGA FLIGHT

Looks to me like it has to Mac Hudson as Guardian.

That's USAgent, I recognize the character design and clothing, and yes he has used a circle/star shield before. It's Walker, as USAgent.

Big guy really could be so many but if it's not Beta Ray Bill I would be shocked. I am about 99% sure it's Beta Ray Bill.

The Spider Woman could be so many, there have been about 4. Realistically, from the costume design and the fact Mike A. Oeming said the series would delve in mystics, and that leaves only Julia Carpenter as a realistic possibility. So Arachne.

Finally, the person manipulating the Northern Lights, good old Aurora Borealis. All I can think of is a revamped Talisman.

No way that's Captain America. He's already been said to be in New Avengers with Spider-Man (Iron Man forms Mighty Avengers). No Jessica Jones!! Hooray! No Luke Cage, no Ben Grimm. The possible Talisman could be a new character, so could the Beta Ray Bill Thor, or the Spider-Woman, as Mr. Oeming said there would be one new character, or was it Mr. Kolins?

OMEGA FLIGHT.

I'm not happy about only two AFers, but I'm pumped about Omega Flight. :D :D

[Mokole]

OK, the Spider Woman, if not new, could be Mattie Franklin, too.

Still pumped! :D

Where's Ben in all this! :wink:

Omega Flight

[Canucklehead]

OK, the Spider Woman, if not new, could be Mattie Franklin, too.

Still pumped! :D

Where's Ben in all this! :wink:

Omega Flight

I just thought of something, she IS a Byrne creation after all... but god I hope it's not her!

I wonder if there'll be a 6th member join soon after. Maybe another recognizable face. Hopefully!

Yeah I'd love to hear what Ben thinks, but then again it is a long weekend.

[DelBubs]

Maniac Mike - I'm going into this with the principal of loving this first and hoping there's no reason ever to hate it :-)

RPlass - If we're talking cold bastards, then US Agent fits that description perfectly, not sure what he's been doing recently, but I don't see him having been organising benevolent concerts.

Tiberius - Your not talking about BoND are you? Plenty of us from that round robin still hang around here.

As for Ben, since he got married he's been totally neglecting his duties, real selfish if you ask me :lol: :shock: :P

Anyone want to do a recap of where we've got with all this speculating ?

[cmdrkoenig67]

Talisman is probably the Canadian, Spider-Woman(Jessica Drew), Captain America(Steve Rogers? US Agent is in the UK, why would he have to flee to Canada?), Beta Ray Bill and Mail Man Michael as a new Guardian?

Dana

Edited to add: Happy Birthday, Canucklehead!

[Legerd]

Geez, this might take a little getting use to. I'm stoked that we're getting some sort of title, but the fact they really did kill off Alpha in such a lousy way... :x Mr. Oeming, if you could bring yourself to maybe "saving" some of the Alphans from the Collective it'd be much appreciated. :wink: It seems to me that we're getting someone new to wear the Guardian mantle, but if there is only one Canadian on the team (and it would appear to be Taliman) than who has donned the red and white? And if the person isn't Canadian why are they wearing the Canadian flag as their costume? Could it be out of respect for Alpha or is it because the government (if they are backing this team) ordered it? I don't mean this as a criticism, just curious.
So Mike (if I may call you that) can you give us some more details? Oh, and by the way, I like the idea of a mystical take on the title. It's something to tie it to the old AF.

[cmdrkoenig67]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82746

Hmph...Nice comment from Bendis (insert extreme sarcasm)...Bendis replied, "So, America gets like 5,000 superheroes. We don't get anything. All we had was Alpha Flight. They sucked, but they were ours."

Maybe they sucked in his opinion, but not for the several hundreds/thousands of fans who bought Vol. 1, 2 and 3. What a jerk.

Do they not realize that a true Alpha Flight book has not been tried since Vol. 1?! Vol. 2 was a semi-cool attempt that might have worked had it continued...Vol. 3 was Sasquatch and his replacement heroes (written as a lame, jokey book by Scott Lobdell).

A back to basics AF book has not been even attempted (not even in a flipping mini). Marvel will never learn and apparently AF fans will never get what they've been asking for all these years.

Dana

[Tiberius Bane]

Tiberius - Your not talking about BoND are you? Plenty of us from that round robin still hang around here.

As for Ben, since he got married he's been totally neglecting his duties, real selfish if you ask me :lol: :shock: :P



Yeah, BoND that was it! I noticed Sue was still around and obviously Ben climbed the ranks. I had joined just before him. Ben and I were somewhat the instigators in the Great Food Fight of 1998. (or 97 can't remember)

He got married? Thats great news.

Back to Omega Flight. I actually toyed with the idea of writing a fan fic where there was someone new in the Guardian suit. I would have just had Mac and Heather retire to raise their child instead of killing them off.

I'm still not 100% sure on this but I am more confident in the book than i was with volume 3. I didnt like comics that are written as a joke. I don't mind humour but when the whole thing is based around it? Doesnt fly I find.

Im trying to get it through my head that this is just a new super hero team with a Guardian character on it instead of thinking of Alpha Flight and Canadian heroes. Its hard to do.

[DelBubs]

In regards to BoND, Sue's still about, Ben, the person we have to thank for this forum. If there was an award for keeping the Alpha flame flying through all the bad years, it would have to go to him, his work for Alpha is monumental. Seng still pops in from time to time. I probably joined up to BoND after you left, I did about two chapters and then we decided to wind it down. I think it was just after it recieved a Forbrush award for longest running fanfic or somthing :-) Leafy is still around on the net, but he mostly keeps the New Warriors flame going (not a good choice of words given recent events).

Dana, I know we're not getting Alpha as we know it, but we are getting a good writer and artist and Mike Oeming ha said in his earlier post that there will be references to Alpha. As long as it ain't vol 3 revisited I think we should be fine.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Dana, I know we're not getting Alpha as we know it, but we are getting a good writer and artist and Mike Oeming ha said in his earlier post that there will be references to Alpha. As long as it ain't vol 3 revisited I think we should be fine.

I don't know Del...The real Canadian team, Alpha Flight is dead...A team called Omega Flight, based in Canada, but with only one Canadian on it? I'm not even Canadian, and I think this really stinks...period!

It looks to me like Alpha fans have to settle for less...Yet again.

Dana :x

[DelBubs]

Dana, yesterday we had no Alpha, today we have no Alpha, but their legacy will live on in Omega. After the debacle that was vol 3, Marvel could have cut there losses and said no more Canadian connections what so ever. Instead they've put a top notch team on Omega which will draw in new readers.

In the house of the starving man even a morsel is a banquet.

Give it a chance, you never know we might be pleasantly surprised.

[-K-M-]

I agree, I'm very annoyed with what happened to Alpha Flight as it's still bitter in my mouth. However, this lineup and the creators have gotten people talking and almost everyone I talk to on different boards will be pikcing it up.

[varo]

new interview here:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82793


and i am very excited about the prospects of this book. mike oeming is a very talented writer who has a passion for his characters (beta ray bill included) and has done his homework on oldschool alpha flight (i'm just assuming this of course, but from everything i have read it apears that way) so he will handle this team much better than the last version.

plus, and i'd really hate to say this, but i think a lineup like this will stand more of a chance to succeed then the originals. the only people that will buy a book based on just the originals would be us hardcore af fans. it may not survive. plus this lineup seems like it has some potential for some very uniuqe dynamics. i always felt that a guardian (wether mac or heather) is the symbol of af, just like cap in the avengers. now don't get me wrong, i really want to see sasquatch, puck and some more of the originals, but the way they have been handled lately (northstar/aurora villians.......originals in space, not in space, dead/not dead) it would take 5 arcs of 6 issues each just to explain what had happened, and that would lose potential readers. we need this book to gather interest mainstream, or else us hardcore fans won't be enough to keep this title around.

i never bought the original series because it was a book based in canada, heck i barely even noticed or cared it was, i bought it because i loved the characters and it had incredible stories.


sorry for the rant.

just a couple of quick negatives i do have to say.

from what i'm reading on other boards it seems people either love kollins art or will stay as far away from this book because of it.

plus, although the characters seem very uniuqe, it seems like we are getting the "second tier" characters from the originals. instead of thor we are getting beta ray bill and instead of capt. america we are getting usagent and instead of spiderwoman.....er....we are getting the other spiderwoman.


i'm sure mike oeming will write them as being extremely interesting, but it just seems kinda second class to me.

[-K-M-]

plus, although the characters seem very uniuqe, it seems like we are getting the "second tier" characters from the originals. instead of thor we are getting beta ray bill and instead of capt. america we are getting usagent and instead of spiderwoman.....er....we are getting the other spiderwoman.


We don't know if it is US Agent yet, but BRB is actually stronger than Thor.

[Ahab]

Of all originals, I can't believe that they are using Talisman - quite unexpected and a nice surprise. I really liked her, in the Byrne days especially.
Regardless of the fact that this book may be light on the original characters, I'm willing to buy a book that has just one of them in it, if he/she is written well. Maybe there IS a plan to bring back more of them eventually, but why let out the surprise now? It might even hinder the development of the book if non-Alpha readers were to hear that the first arc or arcs was only a "gimmick" to get the book going until more Alphans could return...
I think we need to just sit back, enjoy it when it comes out and be patient. No sense jumping to conclusions based on some carefully worded and controlled news. Given that we have a creative team that are all old-school fans, they deserve a chance to prove themselves.

[varo]

i know, after reading that again, i'm not coming off the way i meant it. i'm actually gonna start doing some research on both brb and that version of spiderwoman.


and bendis managed to take 2 "b" level characters and make them interesting, so i guess all it takes is a writer capable of writing good stories.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Del...I will probably give this book a chance(the first couple of issues, at least), but to me, this is an awful line-up.

I can't stand U.S. Agent(if it is indeed, him), I don't give a care about any Thor character(let alone Beta Ray Bill), I don't care about Spider-Woman II(Julia Carpenter...again, if it's her)....I really don't want to see Mailman Michael in the Guardian suit (if it's him).

I really like Talisman, but I doubt I'll buy a book solely for her. This just feels like another kick in the groin to Alpha Flight fans.


"i'd really hate to say this, but i think a lineup like this will stand more of a chance to succeed then the originals." Varo

Doubtful...Not to mention, the originals haven't been even given a chance(not since Vol. 1, which ran for TEN years).

Dana

[varo]

where did this mailman michael rumor come from?

[cmdrkoenig67]

So far it's speculation by posters on the Newsarama website, that he joins OF to make amends for what he did to AF.

Dana

[-K-M-]

There I added what we know thus far about Omega Flight in the entry

http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Omega_Flight_III

[cmdrkoenig67]

We don't "know" the roster yet...We know Oeming is possibly writing Beta Ray Bill and that he appears to be one of the members, It appears to be Talisman (with what also appears to be Shaman's bag)...

We also don't know that the new Canadian-flag wearer is going to be called Guardian...Vindicator is more fitting if it's Michael Pointer...He has a lot to Vindicate (but we don't know if it's him yet, either). Do we know for sure the Spider-lady is Arachne (Julia Carpenter)?

Dana

[Legerd]

I'll be by all the time doing more research, and I'll ask questions from time to time.

The one thing I'll ask of the board (because you ARE hard core fans) is to allow the first 3 issues or so time to sink in, establish its own thing. I typically layout questions for the reader to ask, I never lay it all out at once or spoon feed the reader in any way. im all about listening to the readers, YOU are who these books are for after all.

Anwyhoo, Im way excited, Scott Kollins and the editor are HUGE old school fans, so you guys have a voice on the book for sure!

M!

It's great that there'll be some intelligent writing on the book. The one thing I hate about alot of comics/movies/books/TV shows is how the writers believe they have to either spoon feed their audience or hit them over the head to get their point across. Thanks for promising us a voice on the book, I'm sure you'll get a tonne of comments and ideas tossed your way. Good luck to you and the rest of the creative team.

[DelBubs]

Do we know for sure the Spider-lady is Arachne (Julia Carpenter)?

Dana
In the latest Miss Marvel, Arachne/Carpenter would seem to have turned against S.H.I.E.L.D to protect The Shroud, so it would seem she has reaon to leg it to Canada. Plus the costume she has on is very similar to the character in the Omega image.

[MistressMerr]

Beta Ray Bill? Arachne? USAgent? Could I possibly care any less about these characters? It's doubtful. Talisman's the only thing I'm excited about, and I am kinda pumped about a new Guardian, that could be cool.

But, yeah, not too excited about this at all.

[Oeming]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82746

Hmph...Nice comment from Bendis (insert extreme sarcasm)...Bendis replied, "So, America gets like 5,000 superheroes. We don't get anything. All we had was Alpha Flight. They sucked, but they were ours."

Maybe they sucked in his opinion, but not for the several hundreds/thousands of fans who bought Vol. 1, 2 and 3. What a jerk.


Dana

Dont take what/how Brian said what he said harshly, Brian will say anything for to make a situation funnier, especially at a panel, and thats all it was.

And hey, everyone keep posting what you think/feel about these characters as you figure out who they are. Often I'll read little comments and they will spark big ideas, thats why I pay attention to the hard core fans, I cant promise to make them happy, but I promise to pay attention:)

Also keep in mind we are still in the early stages of story and character, so nothing is written in stone YET:)

[varo]

speaking of figuring characters out.


are we close?

if so, it will help us give our input a litle better. :D

anyways, i really think guardian not being mac is a fact. just assuming of course, but only 1 canadian being on the team pretty much rules it out (talisman will be the one).

just my speculation.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Thank you Mr. Oeming, but I find his comment not funny...in the least. Marvel has done it's best over the last few years to insult Canadians...Why?

I'm not Canadian, but this sort of crap pisses me off. Take the recent solicitation for X-Men #190 as an example (near the back of the issue)...

"X-Men 190: Northstar and Aurora are French Canadian. Not surprisingly, they're also insane! In this issue, they try to kill Sabretooth!"

Wow!...I also recall that several issue-solicitations for Alpha Flight Vol. 3 were making fun of Canada and Canadians.

I too wish you luck in this endeavor, Mr. Oeming...You'll need it.

Dana

EDITED to add: It's ludicrous to have a Canadian-based team of five or more characters with only one Canadian. Most U.S.A-based teams have certainly more than one Citizen of the U.S. in them...Why should a Canadian team be any different?

[Legerd]

And hey, everyone keep posting what you think/feel about these characters as you figure out who they are. Often I'll read little comments and they will spark big ideas, thats why I pay attention to the hard core fans, I cant promise to make them happy, but I promise to pay attention:)

Also keep in mind we are still in the early stages of story and character, so nothing is written in stone YET:)

Please deal with Mac and Heather's baby girl. We've heard nothing about her since her birth, and if her parents are dead someone has to look after her. Speaking of parents, maybe Talisman would be wanting to avenge her dad by "dealing with" Michael the postman. Just a thought. :wink:

EDIT: And if you do decide to bring in some more Canadian heroes how about bringing Madison Jefferies back as Box?

[Mokole]

So far it's speculation by posters on the Newsarama website, that he joins OF to make amends for what he did to AF.

Dana

I find the Newsarama talk of Postman Mike pretty funny... the guy was thrown into the Sun, after all, and Mr. Oeming said quite clearly that one of AF survived NA #16 to join Omega Flight, and that one old member is on the team too, hence Talisman I guess. :D

[Legerd]

I find the Newsarama talk of Postman Mike pretty funny... the guy was thrown into the Sun, after all, and Mr. Oeming said quite clearly that one of AF survived NA #16 to join Omega Flight, and that one old member is on the team too, hence Talisman I guess. :D

Mikey didn't get tossed into the sun, it was the various mutant powers that did. Mike the postman was taken into SHIELD custody and retained some of the powers he had.

If there are two AF members in OF then why did Mr O. say he "only saw one" Canadian in the promo picture? :?

[DelBubs]

I think that could be to do with the comment that one from the supposed dead in NA #16 would join the team. So that could mean those five plus one of the recently deceased.

[Legerd]

That would explain it.

[Mokole]

Thanks Mr. Oeming. See's like the promo image doesn't have to be 'the' team. Or all of them. But there's no way Postman Mike is Guradian, no way at all. Mike would have to ignore everything Bendis did to make that true.

I'm excited about the new team and book, especially with no quotes that it'll be silly like v3.

We are back in the Alpha Flight Universe :D

[Alpha Fan]

I have to say I'm very happy with Alpha Flight's return. On teh characters topic I really hope Talisman is included in the line-up. It's one of those interesting characters that are sent to the recycling bin due to writer's laziness or lack of knowledge to handle him/her properly. Besides being a cool powerful and dinamic charater, it makes a lot of sense to have her on board seeking revenge for her father or simply by trying to follow her father's mantle. Someone corrects me if I'm wrong but isn't she destined to be a great magician at the level of Dr.Strange or even more powerful?

On Guradian: I hope it's Mac too. If Heather and the rest of the taem is really dead (which I wouldn't be content about) and he is the only survivor I cannot see him forgetting about them and leaving the superhero suit.

On Spider-Woman II (Julia Carpenter): I have always liked her since I saw her in the Iron Man cartoon. Even if she seems a Spider-Man rip-off I read Force Works and her mini-series and she is a cool character with an interesting background.Last thing I knew from her was that she was more interested in being a mother for her daughter than a superhero so we'll see how does she get involved with this new Omega Flight.

On Beta Ray Bill: I know nothing about this characters so I can't say much.

On US Agent: As others have mentioned previously I can't see such a right wing charcter opposing to the Registration Act and have no interest in him. If it's him and not Cap on the promo image I hope he is the one to die in issue 12 :)

To conclude, I have faith in this new book but please, don't forget about us, old school AF fans. That we know of, classic characters such as Snowbird, Northstar, Aurora, Madison Jeffries and Diamond Lil are alive.I'm sure they'll have something to say about their former teammates deaths and the new Omega Flight, won't they?

[mreeez]

I have a feelin, or maybe it's wishful thinking, that more than Guardian survived. I think they will find ways to keep older members out of Omega Flight like Heather staying with the baby and such. Again, maybe it's just wishful thinking.

[Phil]

I wondered why we'd had over 130 posts in less than 24 hrs :lol: :lol:

8)

[syvalois]

I think it's a nice idea, get alpha connections but it's not Alpha. Actually, except for Byrne run the rest where pretty much forgetful. I did not read a single ting outside this forum, so I don't know much, but it's interesting to get new readers.

As for second rate characters...well, I don't want to read about Thor, Wolverine, Captain America and all the big names, they already got a book for that. I want something new and interesting with respect to what was previously done. Not the same old thing over and over and over again.

I don't know much about all the supposed characters, but I like better Beta Ray Bill than Thor and if it's US Agent, it would be nice to see that right wing guy confronted to east canadian culture, which is more liberal or even worst get to read a cereal box on the french side not realising he can turn it around and read it in english (I don't know him, I just imagine him been a little bit slow in the head).

And if any Quebecer characters like let say Northstar and Aurora should be deal with on that book, If the creative team need help with the french or expressions or accents or history, I would be very happy to help :P

[maniac mike]

I don't think the guy with the shield is John Walker/USAgent. Why? you ask, simple Walker would be the first guy for registration of heroes and to go after heroes who refuse to register! Thats how blind he is, all for glory, none for honor.

My guess is that it's Steve Rogers/Captain America, of course he can't go by C.A. anymore so my thought is he returns to his "NOMAD" identity without the old costume.

That's my thought. :-#

MM

[Mokole]

To me, I think it is USAgent. Millar did say Cap was not going to Canada and I read, somewhere, that he's leading New Avengers. Of course, people will then say, "It's not Steve Rogers in the Captain America costume" and round and round it goes. :roll:

I also read that USAgent was supposed to leave the U.S. but not quit the biz. I'm too lazy to go looking for that all again, I'm tired. Very late night ad all the Omega excitement...

Of course that doesn't make it John Walker for certain, but if a patriot like Rogers can be anti-SRA, then so can Walker.

As to who Guardian is, the idea that it's the mailman is laughable. Think of it from Oeming's perspective: go in and pitch Omega Flight, and say that since Bendis killed them off the mailman feels guilty, eventually, and makes amends by asking Department H for the Guardian suit, to which they heartily agree. Does this sound, in any way, like a realistic thing Oeming would say??

Is the mailman living by a code of scrub baseball?

I'm not treating this like an English major or poetry reviewer. Sure, I don't really know who's on the team but Omega Flight will, if the preview image is accurate, be made up of Talisman, Mac Hudson Guardian, USAgent, Arachne, and Beta Ray Bill. If I said how confident I was about each one I'd say:
100% about Guardian
99% about Talisman
80% about Arachne
75% about USAgent
60% about Beta Ray Bill (Mainly because the character looks bigger and more armoured than Bill).

In a week I could be proven very wrong. :shock:

Sure, I'd prefer Box and Nemesis and Witchfire in the team but I'm not writing it. I'm not worried, either, Oeming will do right by the characters and style. :wink:

[Mokole]

I don't know much about all the supposed characters, but I like better Beta Ray Bill than Thor and if it's US Agent, it would be nice to see that right wing guy confronted to east canadian culture, which is more liberal or even worst get to read a cereal box on the french side not realising he can turn it around and read it in english (I don't know him, I just imagine him been a little bit slow in the head).P

I knew of a student from Illinois who went to McGill and after 4 years he and his back-at-home buddies still considered Canada communist :lol:

I agree Sylvie, I'd rather see characters like Bill and Arachne than Thor and Scarlet Witch, not only are they second-tier right now who can grow but it leaves room for other characters to get the attention, Guardian and Talisman :wink:

[Capt.D]

I am an Alpha Flight fan since the Byrne run and I've really enjoyed this site to get my Alpha fix. I've been following the OF discussions on this and several other boards and figured I'd put my 2 cents in.

1. While I do hope it's Mac in the Guardian suit, I would say it's probably someone new. The Canadian government likely has the plans and tech to rebuild the suit or they reclaimed the one he was wearing after he died.

2.I think the guess about Spider woman is pretty well 100%, plus it makes sense. She's on the run and Canada would be a good place to be.

3. I sure hope that isn't Cap. in the picture. The whole "I'm tired of being Captain America so I'll take another name and do something else" bit is getting a bit tired. I mean how many times has he done that? After 2 or 3 times I think the US governement and citizens would get tired of him and just say piss on him. He gets upset and throws in the towel too often, I don't think Canada would want him. I hope it's more likely a new character modeled after Capt. America... maybe Capt. Canada or something. After all there is a Capt. Britain and in the Ultimates book isn't there a whole bunch of Capt. "insert your country here" characters? Maybe they borrowed a page from them.

4. As for Beta Ray Bill joining, all I can say is why? He's not even from earth, if I remember correctly, and don't most of his adventures take place in outerspace? Also in the picture I don't remember seeing a Thor like hammer. Could it be a new Thor like character? Maybe a Box Thor as previously suggested? I'm not a huge Thor fan and I've always thought the whole multiple Thors was kind of stupid. I sure hope it's not him.

5. I agree with everyone so far about Talisman. I think that is pretty obvious.

6. One thing that is bothering me about the picture is the fact it pretty much looks like a B-list Avengers. There is the Capt. America knock off, the Thor knock off, the Spiderman knock off, plus Talisman and Guardian could be seen as Scarlet Witch and Ironman knock off but the other three are very obvious. That's kind of insulting. The only way they feel that they can get people to pick up the book is to make it look like an Avengers book? Why not just put X-23 and a female Thing in the group. How about a female Human Torch and Vengence so they can have a knock off of Ghost Rider and cash in on the upcoming movie? Let's put Shang Chi in a Daredevil-like costume and call him the Chinese Devil while we're at it.

Don't get me wrong I have been waiting for a good Alpha Flight book for a very long time, I just don't want them to take one of my all time favorite books and make it the Avengers Canada. I quit reading X-men because they started putting out 50 X-books per month and 49 of them suck, including X-men England. Canada may be part of North America and share a lot with the US, but they are a different country and deserve their own heroes. Plus us AF fans deserve better than a simple "what if the Avengers lived in Canada" book.

I understand from business perspective that Marvel has to make the book sell so that the die hard fans will be happy too, but they don't have to put so many 2nd rate Avenger wanna bes on the team. I could live with one just to drive the sales, but couldn't they do that just as well on the merit of the creative team? Every character/book can be great if the right people get a hold of if. After all even the X-men got canceled once and now they are one of Marvel's premiere franchises.

I'm sorry if I went on a rant for a minute and I hope that my assumptions about the book are completely off, it just pains me to see them possibly soil the memory of one of my favorite books. I can deal with the old team dying, I can deal with a new team stepping up to bat, I just don't like the idea of the new team being composed of knock offs of American heroes.

I will give the book a go and I am eagerly awaiting it's release so that my concerns can be proven unfounded. I have been reading comics for a long time and unfortunately the crap they have done in the name of sales(clone saga, death of superman, inferno, the continued revival of Phoenix, Batman breaking his back, Hal Jordan going evil then he died then he got better then he was good again, Green Arrow coming back from the dead...ad nausium) has made me just a little cynical about there intentions. I truly have a great respect for most of the creative minds that work in the field including those working on the upcoming OF book, unfortunately I have seen more of what they and/or the suits want to put on the shelves, than I have seen books the fans actually want to read.

[mos_def]

I wonder if Ben knew about this. Even he did he couldnt let it out. If Mac and Liz are on the team that would be great. Julia Carpentor is cool and Beta Ray Bill is a little odd choice but I can take it since we are getting something back.

So, are the New Avengers Collective team dead-officially now? Geez, I hope not.

[Mokole]

Good to have you aboard, Capt.D. I figure the speculation everyone brings about who is who is great. After all, I argued against Zuzha Yu being Puck but I was way wrong, so I can still be way wrong. It'll clearly be a good book for AF fans, since it'll be a direction that the original version took, and it'll include AF characters along the way, maybe even in the team. Who knows, maybe only one of those 5 isn't an old AFer somehow. It's fun to guess, keeps the brain happy. :)

Hope Ben gets back from his honeymoon soon, he'll go bonkers if he goes online here and sees 1,280 new posts in only 4 days :wink:

[Mokole]

I wonder if Ben knew about this. Even he did he couldnt let it out. If Mac and Liz are on the team that would be great. Julia Carpentor is cool and Beta Ray Bill is a little odd choice but I can take it since we are getting something back.

So, are the New Avengers Collective team dead-officially now? Geez, I hope not.

Ah, I'm betting nothing is ever official at marvel until it appears in print in a book, which it hasn't. New Warrior fans know their guys/gals are dead because it's been mentioned in She-Hulk, Civil War, Wolverine... But AF? Not a word. :oops:

[mos_def]

OMG actually still has some characters to choose from if they do make Vindicator, Puck, Sasquatch, Snowbird, Shaman,Zuzha Yu, Major Mapleleaf dead. It would suck to leave the first three out cuz of their HUGE fan base but still, he would have

Diamond Lil
Madison Jeffries
Northstar
Aurora
Yukon Jack
Manbot
Wildchild
and others though the previous have some problems of their own right now

[Canucklehead]

OMG actually still has some characters to choose from if they do make Vindicator, Puck, Sasquatch, Snowbird, Shaman,Zuzha Yu, Major Mapleleaf dead. It would suck to leave the first three out cuz of their HUGE fan base but still, he would have

Diamond Lil
Madison Jeffries
Northstar
Aurora
Yukon Jack
Manbot
Wildchild
and others though the previous have some problems of their own right now

There's probably a couple dozen they could use and don't forget Snowbird. There's many characters in the Alpha Universe that could be written in, but would they be as big attention grabbers as Beta Ray or Cap/USAgent? Probably not. Which is the point of the series, to stay afloat. I'd be happy if there's a team up every now and then with Persuasion, Feedback or Windshear etc. We shall see what happens.

Edit, hell who says there can't be an Alpha Flight working in the background as it has for so many years. This is an Omega book, doesn't mean Alpha can't still run in the background, or as unlikely as it may be, get another Alpha series down the road.

[DelBubs]

Ben is back from his honeymoon, but is busy moving into his new apartment. He did say that he will have some time on his hands soon and can get back into it. The only thing he's scared of is all the updates he has to do :-)

[jay042]

One theory I heard suggested maybe the Captian America doppelganger might be Taskmaster.

[DelBubs]

Adding to the mix, just re-read this at the Joe Friday Thread (http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtopic.php?t=1314&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

"NRAMA: Keeping with the Pittsburgh con, Mike Oeming teased a few things, that he has a “something huge” spinning out of Civil War this September (that is not Thor). We haven’t double-checked to see if Oeming is originally from Canada, but one title certainly springs to mind…

JQ: I believe Oeming is from the barren, icy wilderness of New Jersey.

NRAMA: He also mentioned Beta Ray Bill showing up in a regular series, and reiterated that Ares will be joining a super-team. Anything you can add to any of this?

JQ: Nope, so far it sounds like a plan, but it’s way too early to talk about. But thinking about this, if you’re hinting at Oeming writing Alpha Flight, are Beta Ray Bill and Ares Canadian?"

[Mokole]

Just makes it more likely that Beta Ray Bill is in Omega Flight. Could Ares be in the Thor Bot? Could he be not in the image? In the USAgent uniform?

No way Ares is the other three, or Beta Ray either.

I'm thinking Ares may join an Avengers title, especially if Hercules is dead.

Still pumped about this super-hero action series. Fighting mutants, teams, mystics, extra-dimensional threats, more paranormals, more teams, AIM,.... :wink:

[mreeez]

A couple of things I think:

1. While it has been said over and over that Alpha Flight is dead, that doesn't mean the characters are dead, it could just be the name is dead.

2. Who says that the supposed Talisman in the Omega Flight picture is Shaman's daughter? Whoever has the talisman is Talisman so it could be someone else. Scarlet Witch perhaps?

3. Oeming says that he sees only one Canadian in the Omega Flight picture and I would think it rather silly to have a non-Canadian in the Guardian costume. That would be like having an American in the Captain Britain costume or a Canadian as Captain America.

[DelBubs]

Further tidbits here (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888).

NRAMA: Fair enough… So starting from the right, Joe Quesada told us straight away just a few weeks ago in New Joe Fridays that you’d be writing Beta Ray Bill again in a title (as opposed to a Beta Ray Bill), so that one is a lock and we’re not letting you off the hook.

What can you tell readers about his inclusion on the team? Was he someone you enjoyed writing so much you just wanted to include him, or does he have some sort of other logical connection to this team?

MO: Okay, I'll give this one up because I love you and Beta Ray Bill. Plus, 90% of the posts I read already guessed it and the other were thinking it was something like Thunderstrike or a robot Thor, no one fell for it as being Thor himself, however he is returning- so yes, that clearly is Beta Ray Bill!

[-K-M-]

Excellent so BRB is 100% on the team

FYI Aries is joining the Mighty Avengers the second Avengers book coming out

[Flameworthy]

I wish they hadn't killed off Sasquatch. I thought he was always a pretty cool character. I don't mind Shaman as much, since we have Talisman who's going to be using his pouch anyways.

I really hope that down the line Persuasion joins this team. She's my favorite Alpha Flight member. I'll definately pick this book up if she's ever in it. Otherwise, I'm going to have to pass. I learned my lesson after buying the last Alpha Flight book to come out. This book (much like the last one) has way too few orginal Alpha Flight characters.

[Capt.D]

While I'm disappointed by BRB as a member I am hoping Box will show up. I still think the Cap clone is not the real Cap. Won't he still be in the New Avengers series? So this has to be another Cap. knock off, like Canadas version of US Agent. Although the sheild is a little too close to the originals. The Exiles take place in Marvel continuity don't they? Maybe that is a Guardian from one of the Marvel Earths that the Exiles encountered... just a little speculative thinking. Not likely, but stranger things have happened.
I can deal with a new Guardian and hope that is the real Talisman.

[-K-M-]

I wish they hadn't killed off Sasquatch. I thought he was always a pretty cool character. I don't mind Shaman as much, since we have Talisman who's going to be using his pouch anyways.

I really hope that down the line Persuasion joins this team. She's my favorite Alpha Flight member. I'll definately pick this book up if she's ever in it. Otherwise, I'm going to have to pass. I learned my lesson after buying the last Alpha Flight book to come out. This book (much like the last one) has way too few orginal Alpha Flight characters.

I could see Persuasion joining the Runaways

[Flameworthy]

I could see Persuasion joining the Runaways

I think she's a little too old for the Runaways. She must be in her late teens or early 20's by now.

[-K-M-]

I could see Persuasion joining the Runaways

I think she's a little too old for the Runaways. She must be in her late teens or early 20's by now.

Late teens I would say

[Flameworthy]

I could see Persuasion joining the Runaways

I think she's a little too old for the Runaways. She must be in her late teens or early 20's by now.

Late teens I would say

Yeah, most likely. Seeing as how she was introduced when she was around 13 or so.

[Transmetropolitan]

Awright, let's see-

Lots of this may have already been said, but I have less than 20 minutes here, so I can't read the whole thread-

1) AWESOME!!!
2) Sorry that it seems to be Mac ad not Heather wearing the suit, but what the hell... IT 'S SOMEONE old-school, by god.
3) BRB? All whining about "second-stringers" aside, he's proven a match for Thor time after time. Which means that Omega's going to have a straightforward powerhouse- And I hope that's the Talisman we know and love, but I will frankly take just about anything at this point.
4) Of all the characters in that picture, I see a maximum of three (if that's an oddball Talisman) who would be actively fleeing the post-CW fallout. BRB has no reason to run (he's not a U.S. citizen, he's a friggin' space alien), Guardian is Guardian, and there's a very good chance that Talisman is someone from either Europe or maybe, maybe. Canada.

So yeah. I'm pumped. Pumped because it looks like we're going to get a serious treatment this time around.

[Canucklehead]

Yeah, most likely. Seeing as how she was introduced when she was around 13 or so.

It'd be awesome if they could at least run into her or other former members as they travel to different cities, just to see where they are and what they are up to. Maybe give the better ones memberships or keep them as contacts. If something is happening in Toronto, she could let them know the story or call for help. It's such a big country and there's so many former members, it'd be nice to hear from them often!

Now that we know it's officially Beta Ray, I can't wait to see him smack down some major Marvel characters. It was nice to have a semi-goddess in Snowbird, but she could never take on and beat a character like Thor :D

[cmdrkoenig67]

A couple of things I think:

1. While it has been said over and over that Alpha Flight is dead, that doesn't mean the characters are dead, it could just be the name is dead.

That prospect doesn't thrill me.


2. Who says that the supposed Talisman in the Omega Flight picture is Shaman's daughter? Whoever has the talisman is Talisman so it could be someone else. Scarlet Witch perhaps?

I hope the heck it isn't or I'm really not going to get this series. It better be Elizabeth Twoyoungmen.


3. Oeming says that he sees only one Canadian in the Omega Flight picture and I would think it rather silly to have a non-Canadian in the Guardian costume. That would be like having an American in the Captain Britain costume or a Canadian as Captain America.

True...I hope it's a Canadian too(preferably Mac...and hopefully Mike can write him).

Dana

[RolandT]

I truly think It's James Hudson, and Elizabeth Twoyoungmen.

That would be a good start with them having two Americans and an outer space guy on the team. Really the two most powerful are James and Elizabeth out of those 5.

So the guy who owns this board got married and has news to tell us when he gets back, about Omega Flight? Great!

[Tiberius Bane]

I really hope its Mac since he is one of my favourite characters.

I also hope that Heather, Major Mapleleaf and Puck II survived the confrontation with the Collective.

I was still not totally sold on this new Canadian superhero team until I finished reading the interview at Newsarama. What sold it for me?

NRAMA: Now, assuming this is the line-up – though perhaps minus an addition or two - a lot of characters associated with Alpha Flight in the past aren’t present. What role – if any – will characters line Heather Hudson, Puck, Sasquatch, Northstar, and Aurora, etc… play in this series?

MO: Oh, we will be seeing them again soon enough.

Now Im 100% commited to this title...and visiting these message boards. ;)

[mreeez]

From Oeming on his boards:

Re: Omega Fligth Details!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by gelf13
Awesome pic. But there are only 2 canadians on the team?



You see 2? I only see one

[RolandT]

I think he's referring only to the Maple Leaf on Guardian, so he sees only one. You can see only one American too, unless a star on a shield doesn't say American to you.

Beta Ray Bill of course isn't a national. But just because of what he said, don't think it's not James and Elizabeth. See one flag, but have two Canucks.

[varo]

i absolutely love the fact that oeming is out there marketing the new title on every site creating a buzz.

defitanetly did not see this kind of buzz for series 2 or 3.

btw, very interesting comment from his latest interview:



MO: Alright, I'll do what I can, but I can’t give solid answers yet. The main reason is that fans and doubters alike are having a great time guessing and coming up with great reasons to why their guesses are right and I don’t want to ruin that yet. Also, I'll give a scoop here and now - some minor changes are still taking place that could affect the line up. Not in taking people out, but adding someone not in the promo already done!


sasquacth.

please.

[varo]

btw, i need some help. i want to catch up on beta ray bill. anyone know the lastest series he has showed up in?

also thinking of getting the thor: bloodoath tpb just to see how oeming/kollins work together.

[NickT]

btw, i need some help. i want to catch up on beta ray bill. anyone know the lastest series he has showed up in?

Stormbreaker, a BRB mini by Oeming.

[varo]

ty

[-K-M-]

You will be shocked with his power, even taking on Stardust and seriously smaking him around.

[Transmetropolitan]

Actually, given the probable fallout from Civil War, BRB being in Canada makes a lot of sense....

[DMK]

Well, this is exciting news. I'm disappointed at the lack of "classic Alpha" characters in the lineup... but at least it's a decent creative team, Marvel seems to be taking the book seriously, and the concept seems sound.

Now I absolutely have to get around to updating the Guide.

[DelBubs]

Would Talisman consider herself Canadian or Native American?

[Garry/Al-Fan]

Dag! Now I gots no reason to do my retro-Alpha Flight story!

"Omega Flight," eh? That'll work. Give it three issues? Can do. Old Alpha Flight in flashback? Works for me. Ignoring vol. 3?
Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[mreeez]

Here's a like to the latest interview that a previous poster mentioned.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888

Speculate on!

[Bill P]

Would Talisman consider herself Canadian or perhaps Native Canadian. Using the term Native Canadian would be like referring to Nelson Mandela as African-American.

[Powersurge]

I'm not to sure about the line-up or the name change, but I agree with Oeming that the team has lost credibility over the years due ot a successive string of poor writers. Wiping the slate clean may open the door to something ... better, in the long run.

As for Beta Ray Bill; I didn't quite get Oeming's rationale for him being there. I can appreciate his prescence from a Norse-Vinland angle... the Norse having made regular journeys to the lands that would become Canada until the Little Ice Age at last closed off their passage.

Don't know whats up at all with the Cap looking guy, except that it has been stated repeatedly that this is NOT Steve Rogers/Cap... who shall remain down south and thus in character.

Speaking of the real Cap; I sure didn't like Oeming's suggestion that conscientious folk that come to Canada to avoid US ideological wars are "cowards", but that is neither here nor there. However, so-called "cowards" do beat drones and idiots all to hell.

Hmmm.... I wonder if the reverse real world trend will be explored... Canadians making their way south to sign on with the US military.

Not likely, eh?

[Powersurge]

Would Talisman consider herself Canadian or perhaps Native Canadian. Using the term Native Canadian would be like referring to Nelson Mandela as African-American.

I would think that she would consider herself, culturally, a member of whatever Native Indian tribe she stems from first. And then as a citizen of the economic and political multi-national state that is known as Canada second.

[DelBubs]

Would Talisman consider herself Canadian or perhaps Native Canadian. Using the term Native Canadian would be like referring to Nelson Mandela as African-American.
So Mike Oemings comment that he could only see one Canadian in that picture could be misleading. Guardian = Canadian. Talisman = Sarcee/Native American.

Just a thought.

[DMK]

I think Liz thinking of herself as Sarcee would be really pushing it. She grew up in the suburbs with the very "white" McNeils. I suppose she may have grown closer to her roots this past while (we haven't seen her since v1 #130 after all) but to this reader it would feel pretty tacked-on.

[RolandT]

I think see means the Canadian flag uniform. You can't "see" what most of the other characters are, so no biggie.

It's Talisman. Or, maybe maybe, Snowbird. Canadian either way.

I figure Beta Ray Bill is their maybe because of the first enemy they face, and he is on Earth anyway so he might as well do something. Cold space, cold Canada (at times).

[Phil]

I'm not to sure about the line-up or the name change,

For me the name change makes sense.

True fans' gripes about volume two and three were Alpha Flight in title only and failed because they didn't contain Alpha Flight.

Here we have a book that while respectful of the team, the title and the characters, isn't claiming to be the same book and isn't making the same mistakes.

Alpha's biggest draw for me was always it's dysfunctional family of misfit heroes, so I can see the line up working.

[Powersurge]

True enough... echoeing as it does what I posted about wiping the slate "clean" so to speak, ie. eliminating the preconceived notions/expectations.

Of course, as "the saying" goes... "praise the day at dusk, the ice once crossed, the maid when married".

I'm certainly willing to give the title a try. It'll give me a comic to buy once Civil War is all tied up!

[Barnacle13]

Same here. Pffft, mail men, always going crazy going on a rampage. I'd rather not see "Micheal Porter" dawn the red and white. Although it is scarily still a possibility. Maybe as a villain would be ok. SO they can kick his arse!

First let me say this is the best news I've heard in a very long time. It sounds like Oeming is planning to pay Alpha Flight the respect they have earned. As long as that remains a constant in his writing I don't think any of the long time fans will be displeased. Yeah we want to see our old favorites, but if the writing is good and it pays homage to the past I can live with it. I'm stoked to see Talisman in there. I always loved her. And I'm very interested to see who else might be in there. I'd be surprised if the Thor character is a Box-bot. That seems to be asking a bit much. I mean Jefferies was still quite mad last I saw him. Doesn't really make sense for him to be helping out. And if it is Julia Carpenter from West Coast Avengers/Force Works, I'll be extremely happy as well. I always enjoyed her character. As a single mom, she may also play into the Hudson orphan saga. As for Steve Rogers vs. USAgent, it really makes little difference. At least Cap I guess doesn't have USA in his moniker. He could be construed as a hero for all of the Americas (even though he never has been before). For that matter it could be Clint Barton. He's done the startup team before. Anyway as stated I am extremely excited about this. I will be hitting the comic shop again. It's been about 8 months now. And this book is what will get me there.

Yeah, but this has worked before with villains like Hawkeye for instance. It definitely would lead to some serious internal conflict down the road though. Imagine Mac actually slipping out of a coma to find out that the Mad Mailman has stolen his dream. I can see him gunning for the Collective with every resource available to him and possibly even crossing the line himself. Especially if Heather did not make it off of the frozen tundra alive. Could be the beginnings of a very powerful rival. Pehaps Mac could even pick up the mantle of The Master or AntiGuardian to bring the battle to the Collective. I'd accept that!

[Phil]

I'd be surprised if the Thor character is a Box-bot. That seems to be asking a bit much.

It's been confirmed by Mike that it's Beta Ray Bill.

[Powersurge]

I think Liz thinking of herself as Sarcee would be really pushing it. She grew up in the suburbs with the very "white" McNeils. I suppose she may have grown closer to her roots this past while (we haven't seen her since v1 #130 after all) but to this reader it would feel pretty tacked-on.

That might be very true. I recall the earliest issues which had Liz in them, and she didn't appear to want anything to do with her father or the heritage he offered.

Of course, this might all be hair-splitting. While we might appreciate the fine nunace between cultural identity and "political affiliation", ie. citizenship within a multi-national state, Oeming may or may not have chosen to represent that nuance.

Of course, to be "Canadian" means to allow everyone their culture and heritage, ie. a multi-cultural/-national state, but if one identifies overly much with the state, like it is a true nation or nation-state, well, they are then left with a "culture of abscence" in which their own cutlural identity is reduced to little more than letting everyone else have their cultural identity, political parties and institutions, legislation, and taxes.

Anyway, it might thus not even be an issue of how the Native Indian looking woman in the promo-pic see's herself, but more an issue of how Oeming see's her, or how he see's her seeing herself, or probably most likely what he is willing to give away at the moment.

[Corvus]

Hello folks, thought I'd finally register with the big news.

I'm glad to see a new series, though I'm not thrilled with the apparant lack of past Alpha mainstays, however, we could see that change over time.

As for the bit about "only seeing one Canadian" I think the poster who mentioned that the characters are obscured so we can't know for sure who they were is on the money. Its also a clever way to create discussion and anticipation for the book.

The other possibility, of course, is that there is a non-Canadian in the Guardian suit, which I don't think would be very well received. Putting say, an Australian in Captain America's uniform isn't a good idea, and the same holds true for Guardian's suit IMO.

[varo]

saw this on another board and it sounds like a incredible idea.


I really hope to see an aliance between Canada, Wakanda, and Atlantis as a watch-dog group to oppose America when S.H.I.E.L.D. shows their true evil intentions. I can see Canada playing a role with Omega Flight to help Wakanda Unify all of Africa under King T'challa and the Goddess, Storm!


i mean think about it, your neighbors to the south are having a war between their heroes that will not only effect your borders but international boarders outside of north america. a alliance with other nations forming a watchdog group to keep a eye on and possibly hold back what is going on makes great sense.

[Mokole]

I figure Mr. Oeming will write Omega Flight to stand on its own. Alliances with the Russian Super Soldiers, Big Hero Six, China Force, and even Black Air (can't see Excalibur on side) would be cool at times. the anti-SHIELD good guys. Could make an awesome lineup to face down whatever SHIELD could throw at them when SHIELD is on another world-controlling binge. :shock:

[Legerd]

2. Who says that the supposed Talisman in the Omega Flight picture is Shaman's daughter? Whoever has the talisman is Talisman so it could be someone else. Scarlet Witch perhaps?



Elizabeth Twoyoungmen was foretold to be the Talisman, even before putting on the coronet she had power (absorbing Ranaq's mystical attack and returning it, being able to look into Shaman's medicine pouch without harm) so it's not supposed to be the sort of deal Thor's hammer has. Yeah, Shaman replaced Elizabeth as the Talisman once, but I chalk that up to poor writing/lack of research.
If Elizabeth isn't Talisman in OF (assuming it is Talisman) then the series will be off to a bad start IMO.

[Mokole]

True enough, hard to think it's not Talisman, or at the 'left-fieldish' Snowbird with mixed-up powers.

Wouldn't it be funny if December's solicits included Omega Flight? I know, it won't be out that early for sure, but it would keep the fire stoked.

Not sure why people want Guardian to be a lame American mailman and Talisman to be... someone else. Can't see how the book would be better with that silliness. Even if we think USAgent makes no sense, it's hard to believe that's not him in the pic, too.

Otherwise who's the character with links to AF past? USAgent. A jerk with a bad attitude? USAgent. A member who survived Bendis? Mac Hudson. A character with links to the team? Talisman.

Really, only the Spider-Woman is more of a mystery right now.

[Legerd]

I have a question. If the Guardian in OF is Mac, which Mac is he? Is he cyborg Mac? Temporal twin Mac? Original Mac no longer cyborged? Clone Mac? Just what is Mac nowadays? And please don't say dead.

[Mokole]

Cyborg Mac, clone mac is destroyed. Unless they decide he's not a cyborg after NA #16...

[mos_def]

Mac is Gentry from vol2 but the series ended before it could be confirmed. Cyborg Mac was deaged in vol2 but he died in Wolverine rescuing Alphs Flight from AIM. The other Mac is another clone

[mos_def]

what would you think if Guardian was Sean Benard aka Groundhog. Maybe SHIELD hinted him down to register since he operated as Groundhog and he comes out of hiding since he knows the basics of the suit

[Tiberius Bane]

To be honest I want Guardian to either be Mac or a completely new character in the suit.

I hope to God its not the Collective dude. Why would an American put on the Guardian costume anyway? That doesnt make sense. Thats like a Canadian putting on Captain America's costume.

MikeM

[Canucklehead]

To be honest I want Guardian to either be Mac or a completely new character in the suit.

I hope to God its not the Collective dude. Why would an American put on the Guardian costume anyway? That doesnt make sense. Thats like a Canadian putting on Captain America's costume.

MikeM

You never know, it could be Major Mapleleaf Jr! Oeming said he didn't really mind the 3rd series so maybe Lou found a soft spot in the writer. The Guardian looks pretty pissed in the promo, it could be Mac because his team and wife were slain. It coud be young mister Sadler because his young honey was eaten by tiny scorpions. Wasn't it said that one character would be brand new? Maybe it IS a new person in the suit.

I do doubt it's an American. What I'd love to see come of "the Collective dude" is become a major villain. I'd love to see a show-down between him and Mac. Hudson was always the least interesting of the original 6 in the Flight. This would finally give him some emotion and character. Give him that 3rd dimension he was lacking. At first he was the only one I wanted dead. The more I think about it, the more I want him to be alive and show us what kind of person he really is, what he's made of, how he'd react after this tragedy... then again, for all we know it could be Toad in the suit. Can't wait to find out!

[cmdrkoenig67]

Funny...I still wish Mac had been left dead since Vol. 1 #12. His death was genius, Delphine Courtney posing as him...even more genius...Great storytelling there.

Dana

[kozzi24]

I don't think the guy with the shield is John Walker/USAgent. Why? you ask, simple Walker would be the first guy for registration of heroes and to go after heroes who refuse to register! Thats how blind he is, all for glory, none for honor.

My guess is that it's Steve Rogers/Captain America, of course he can't go by C.A. anymore so my thought is he returns to his "NOMAD" identity without the old costume.

That's my thought. :-#

MM
The deaths of John Walker's parents by people who knew his identity could be motivation in making him very anti-registration.

[Canucklehead]

Funny...I still wish Mac had been left dead since Vol. 1 #12. His death was genius, Delphine Courtney posing as him...even more genius...Great storytelling there.

Dana

Same here. The problem is that's not possible anymore. Killing him would be the logical and expected way to go. I thought it was the best way, die a hero, like he had previously. Now a huge part of me wants to know who James MacDonald is and what makes him tick. He was killed before his personality was fully shown and then that was dealt with poorly. Now we'd get to see what we were missing. You can't beat Heather as the leader of Alpha Flight. The true fans know this. I just can't help but want to see James fullfill his dream. He has nothing more to lose. This is how most heroes get to start out. This is when their true self is portrayed. Mac finally, as a late blumer gets to know what true loss is. I want to see every minute of James MacDonald Hudsons pain and what he does with it. I want the true original leader of Alpha to finally get a voice and become a real player in the Marvel U. I want to see him kick some serious a$$ and give Canada the respect it truely deserves.

[Tiberius Bane]

I could live with Lou being in the Guardian outfit.
I actually liked Major Mapleleaf.

I have always been a fan of Mac though. I was so disappointed when they killed him off. Then was excited when they brought him back only to be disappointed to find out it wasnt him. And then to be excited again during the building blocks (is that what it was called?) story arc...only to be disappointed when he sacraficed himself to save Heather when they were trying to port Galactus away...only to be (etc, etc, etc)

Man, he should just change his name to Resurection Man.

MikeM

[Canucklehead]

I am also a fan of Mr. Mapleleaf. Reminded me of all those great episodes of Due South.


Man, he should just change his name to Resurection Man.

I think we finally discovered Mac WAS a mutant afterall. His power is to come back from the brink of death, no matter what the odds.

I am the Rejuvenator. I'll be back.

[Mokole]

While I'm no fan of the Hudson characters, I'd prefer Feedback, Mac, Wild Child, or MML to be Guardian, not a foreigner.

Can't turn his issue #12 death back anymore with out another retconn. Or five. :roll:

[Barnacle13]

You gotta agree with Canucklehead, that would make for some powerful characterization. Mac was never a favorite of mine, but seeing him deal with such tremendous loss could certainly add deminsion to his character and make him interesting.

One other thing I was thinking today that gave me a good feeling about this new book.... You gotta credit Mike Oeming for coming to this site for research. It shows a lot of class on his part, but more than that it shows he's already done his research. He knew this site was the source of Alpha info. Follow that up with the intelligent questions he's posed to the group and I think we can all rest comfortably it'll be a good representation of what we all believe Alpha had potential to be. I'm thoroughly excited that Alpha (Omega) Flight will finally get a decent treatment.

Mike, make sure you get Marvel to advertise this book. Previous volumes of Alpha Flight didn't get much support. Subscriptions weren't even offered for the last attempt. Get the marketing you deserve to make this a success. I'll gladly pay for a subscription or three to make this thing fly.

[Mokole]

Here's my reading of a bit of the Newsarama interview:

"Mark thought that out of Civil War, there would be those heroes who for one reason or another, did not fit on either side, either because they became fugitives Arachne or they hated what’s happened to their superhero culture USAgent, or they were being deported Beta Ray, all kinds of reasons. But "running to Canada Vietnam style" was never in the picture. There will be characters like that, but they wouldn't be in Flight, you don’t put cowards on your team."

Of course I'm joking, but Arachne would be the one if an anti-SRA was on the team. Is USAgent a cultural/artsy guy?

Guardian and Talisman are the draws for me so far, and I'm not a Hudson fan even! :wink:

[kozzi24]

I'm looking forward to this title. Plenty of us here complained about Vols. 2 and 3 being called Alpha Flight but not being Alpha Flight. We don't have that complaint here. There's ties to Alpha in locale and Talisman, but this is not Alpha and no one is trying to convince us it is.

This team being called Omega Flight leaves the "Alpha" name to the originals. Alpha Flight can exist and been referenced and seen in the Omega Flight book.

It has never been stated that the team from Avengers #16 was definitively dead. I think Mike Oeming has hinted at this, that we would be seeing more than one member of the "dead" team. I think at least Heather, Sasquatch, Puck and Shaman survived. They may be incapacitated and need prolonged healing. A visit from Liz to her father's bedside could result in her possession of his pouch. Mac and Puck were both seen in the Civil War promotional poster, so Mac probably survived...tho personally, I think it would be a wasted circumstance to not take the opportunity to make him dead again and restore Heather as the Guardian-costumed Alpha leader.

Only one Canadian in the promo art? That's talisman. My guess for this team is Talisman/Elizabeth Twoyoungman, Julia Carpenter, Vlint Barton and John Walker and Beta Ray Bill.

One wild guess...Sasquatch's injuries in Avengers #16 reawakens aspects of the Great Beasts, perhaps allowing Tanaraq's repossession...which also saves Walter's life.

Maybe I'm optimistic because Clint Barton, Julia Carpenter, John Walker and Talisman and Beta Ray Bill are all characters I would like to see back in action regularly. In this case, Walker's presence is the most out of place, even considering his Force Works history. I would not be surprised to see him betray the team for agendas of the American government after the second arc.

Kollins and Oeming have shown respect for the characters they are writing, and respect for Alpha, so I have faith in their designs for the new title. And I see their not calling this title "Alpha Flight" to keep the name free for characters who are Alpha is part of that respect.

[Canucklehead]

I threw together (very quickly, mind you) some sketches of possible Omega logos as soon as I heard the new title. Does anyone have any they'd like to share?

http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegalogo.jpg

[mreeez]

Guess I am in the minority in long time AF fans but to me Mac was always Guardian, not Heather.

I think it was just being blown away in X-Men #109, the iconic image of Weapon Alpha bursting through the ground and proceeding to beat the tar out of Wolverine. I remember when I first saw that and was just awed at the image.

And, like a previous poster said, we never really got to see Mac leading the team for a period of time. Every time he was brought back, I was looking forward to Mac at the helm but he was killed/written off again and again.

To me, I would like to see Mac and Liz in the new book with the rest of AF retired due to the results of NA #16. I get the feeling that Shaman was killed and that Liz is inheriting the mantle from him.

Something I would like to see is more Alphans in other books. We have had Northstar in X-Men, Aurora and Jeffries in Weapon-X (i think was the name of that book) and Lil in 198. I always thought Puck would be great in the Avengers.

[Legerd]

Guess I am in the minority in long time AF fans but to me Mac was always Guardian, not Heather.

I think it was just being blown away in X-Men #109, the iconic image of Weapon Alpha bursting through the ground and proceeding to beat the tar out of Wolverine. I remember when I first saw that and was just awed at the image.

And, like a previous poster said, we never really got to see Mac leading the team for a period of time. Every time he was brought back, I was looking forward to Mac at the helm but he was killed/written off again and again.

To me, I would like to see Mac and Liz in the new book with the rest of AF retired due to the results of NA #16. I get the feeling that Shaman was killed and that Liz is inheriting the mantle from him.

Something I would like to see is more Alphans in other books. We have had Northstar in X-Men, Aurora and Jeffries in Weapon-X (i think was the name of that book) and Lil in 198. I always thought Puck would be great in the Avengers.

I agree with you mreeez (in fact I might be the poster you refered to) Mac never really got the chance to be developed as a character before being killed off. Everyone says he was boring and emotionless, but has anyone taken a look at Reed Richards?! Talk about distant. He's always been the absentminded professor who gets lost in his work, but no one calls him boring or emotionless. What gives?

[NickT]

Looks like we can confirm who the guy with the shield is.


http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83210


Captain America has chosen a side, but what about the man who briefly took up his mantle, the U.S. Agent? In a story by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins, John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think.

[DelBubs]

First off, Canucklehead : Neat banners, can I nick one for my sig? In regards to Mac, I'm with the majority here, I don't think we've seen the real Mac since vol 1 #12. There were brief glimpses of him in Unlimited X-Men #45?, which imho is the best rendition of him since #12, but the real Mac needs to come back. On that tack, I'd have to hazard that most of the roster of Omega Flight is there if we follow the evidence.

Beta Ray Bill - Mike Oeming says it's so so it's good enough for me.
US Agent - Almost sure on this given the post by Adam.
Talisman - That Coronet is a bit of a give away. If Postman Mike killed her dad then she's gonna be pissed. So coming out of retirement makes sense.
Arachne (JUlie Carpenter?) - Considering the events in Ms Marvel #6, I don't think she's pro reg anymore.
Guardian - We know it's the suit, but who's in it? So far I've seen it suggested that it's Mac, Steve Rogers, John Walker, Clint Barton or Tony Stark?

[Canucklehead]

First off, Canucklehead : Neat banners, can I nick one for my sig?

Be my guest! I cut off the top ones if you just want the bottom peice.

http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegalogo2.jpg

[DelBubs]

Thanks, your a scholar and a gentleman. :lol:

[Canucklehead]

Thanks, your a scholar and a gentleman. :lol:

Same to you, sir.

Well I guess it's official. John Walker.

"Captain America has chosen a side, but what about the man who briefly took up his mantle, the U.S. Agent? In a story by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins, John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think."

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83210

[Garry/Al-Fan]

...how many pages the first 3 issues will be? With so many AF/OF characters, old and new, I'm hoping there will be a lot of room to tell a decent story with interesting/revealing character scenes.

...how much will the first 3 issues cost?

[RolandT]

I threw together (very quickly, mind you) some sketches of possible Omega logos as soon as I heard the new title. Does anyone have any they'd like to share?

http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegalogo.jpg

Canucklehead, you got skills!

[-K-M-]

Nice work Canucklehead I first thought they were the actual logos

[Mokole]

Well done, Canucklehead, nice job. I'm liking the maple leaf one as a shoulder patch.

Back to the "Canadian" thing, maybe I can explain it this way: we see Guardian and believe it's Talisman but Oeming said he saw only one Canadian. That's OK, as you can only tell for certain, even if you knew the characters, that one looks Canadian. No Hebrews as there is no Star of David seen, no Brits as we see no Union Jack and so on, no French as we see no fleur-de-lis on anyone,... So we 'see' only one Canuck, though there are two, one just doesn't wear a flag. :o

[Captain Primate]

There has been a lot of speculation is to whether the Captain American-ish looking guy in the promo art is USAgent. I figure we'll probably be getting an answer in Civil War: Choosing Sides (October 25th). One of the stories deals with USAgent, and will be written/pencilled by Oeming and Kollins. Here is the blurb:


Captain America has chosen a side, but what about the man who briefly took up his mantle, the U.S. Agent? In a story by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins, John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think.

read the full article at:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8303

[-K-M-]

Even in the promo art he still doesn't have a star on his shield.
=========
edit:
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/001593391.cfm

However, Oeming said there's no uncertainty about USAgent’s stance in Marvel's Civil War.

“He’s Pro-Registration, no doubt. He serves his country, if he does have questions, he trusts in the ‘larger good’ of the situation, “ Oeming said.

[Captain Primate]

I think the empty space in the middle of the shield would be a great place for a big old maple leaf.

[-K-M-]

I think the empty space in the middle of the shield would be a great place for a big old maple leaf.

I think that would be great, but the spoiler image of Omega Flight has the shield with a star in the middle.

[Canucklehead]

I think the empty space in the middle of the shield would be a great place for a big old maple leaf.

I think that would be great, but the spoiler image of Omega Flight has the shield with a star in the middle.

Although photos have been known to be edited to create rumors and speculation.

http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegaleaf.jpg

See? :P

[Tiberius Bane]

I think the empty space in the middle of the shield would be a great place for a big old maple leaf.

I think that would be great, but the spoiler image of Omega Flight has the shield with a star in the middle.

Although photos have been known to be edited to create rumors and speculation.

http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegaleaf.jpg

See? :P

Dude! That is fantastic! I love it!

MikeM

[Transmetropolitan]

You realize, of course, that you've created a monster...

[Tawmis]

13 pages... wow.

Well - on the speculation of TALISMAN...

I have been giving this some heavy thought and don't know if this has been posted (only got 2 pages in before I figured I would just post my theory).

Is it Talisman? Yes. In a way. I don't think it's Elizabeth, however.

Oddly enough - I do believe with all of my heart, it's SNOWBIRD.

But what about the Talisman? I believe she's wearing the Talisman. And not only that - look closely. Is that not Shaman's bag attached at her waist?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Adam-X/shamanspouch.jpg

So why is it SNOWBIRD? I think the clue lies in her hands... when she's doing that light thing... are those not Northern Lights? And who usually appears with that? Snowbird's "parents" and fellow "godlings." Also the "artic feel" to her clothing lends to the idea it would be Snowbird over the Talisman we know (Elizabeth).

So I think it's Snowbird with Talisman's headband and Shaman's bag. That makes her QUITE the power house.

For the Spider Woman, I have a feeling it's Mattie Franklin.

[DelBubs]

Leafy, good to see you here. The way you explained the Snowbird as Talisman scenario, the more likely it becomes. Also, please give me a quick run down on Mattie Franklin, not to up to date about this lady.

Cheers Leafy.

[Tawmis]

Leafy, good to see you here. The way you explained the Snowbird as Talisman scenario, the more likely it becomes. Also, please give me a quick run down on Mattie Franklin, not to up to date about this lady.

Cheers Leafy.

I poke in here frequently but usually just lurk and read anything new! :) Usually I don't post unless I have something to really say (like the "Talisman" actually being Snowbird, and her having Shaman's bag as well!) :D

As for Mattie Franklin - here's a nice write up of her on Wikipedia.org. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattie_Franklin)

And here's more on my wild theories.... (this is yanked from my own forum...)

Tawmis' take...

Well, aside from OMEGA FLIGHT usually being associated with a villain team (it's like making a heroic team called Brotherhood of Evil Mutants!) ... this looks like it has some nice potential.

Now I am gonna give my take on the roster...

Going from right to left.

First, already mentioned - Beta Ray Bill. A powerhouse indeed. I, however, do not like how he's being drawn. Since when did his arms turn into the size of cannons? And what's with the metal glove? Those are my immediate qualms (since I love the character Beta Ray Bill).

Next, we have someone baring a very close look to CAPTAIN AMERICA, or possibly USAgent. My guess? We're looking at a NEW USAgent type character. And I believe this one is going to be Clint... formerly known as HAWKEYE (as a female character has recently taken up the name HAWKEYE). Clint as Captain America-esque... don't care for it much, but hey... So why Clint and not the actual USAgent that's known? I don't know... call it a hunch.

Next - clearly VINDICATOR of Alpha Flight days. But how? Vindicator (Hudson) was supposedly killed when the Collective came storming through.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Adam-X/new_avengers_16_2.jpg

(Seen above: Vindicator, Puck, Sasquatch, Major Maple Leaf, Guardian, Murmur {I am guessing here, but that's who it looks like}, and then Shaman).

So how is Vindicator there if Vindicator's dead? Well, he hints that it's Vindicator's suit, but possibly not James. So who? Well, hopefully they don't do something hookey like "speed forwarding" James and Heather's son (seen in Uncanny X-Men, as a newborn then) - and make it him. But for right now - I am not sure who could be in the Vindicator outfit.

Next is the Spider Woman we see. My guess is it's Mattie. Reasong being? The hair is off - but the spider on the suit bares a close resemblence to her own.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Adam-X/Spider-Woman28Mattie29_Head.jpg

Also, I think the book needs a young character, and she would fit the bill.

And now the one I am most excited about.

Immediately I thought it was Talisman. Because the headband is none other than Talisman's headband.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Adam-X/Talisman_4.jpg

But then something caught my eye.

A small detail. But she has Shaman's pouch on her hip. (Logical, as Shaman apparently died against the Collective)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Adam-X/shamanspouch.jpg

And then I got to thinking some more - her hand doing the gesture with the Northern Lights.

To me, that screams Snowbird.

And the winter-esque coat would fit Snowbird's motif.

So that got me to thinking - what we have here is Snowbird, with Talisman's headband and Shaman's pouch. And if that is indeed correct - that is an insanely powerful character!

[Canucklehead]

You realize, of course, that you've created a monster...

I wonder if I put it on another message board, what the reaction would be :lol:

PS
Love the Snowbird idea. That would be even more impressive. That character has "the strongest ties to the old Alpha" maybe meaning because she has several objects like you said. Can't waitto find out :)

[-K-M-]

Snowbird isn't worthy of the power of Talisman, she would only be able to channel a small aspect of the power shown when Walter who was using Snowbird's body donned the Talisman briefly.

[Legerd]

Guardian - We know it's the suit, but who's in it? So far I've seen it suggested that it's Mac, Steve Rogers, John Walker, Clint Barton or Tony Stark?

Sounds like a poll question to me.

[-K-M-]

Tony Stark wearing the Guardian armor? very unlikely, but wow that would be a shock.

[Tawmis]

You realize, of course, that you've created a monster...
I wonder if I put it on another message board, what the reaction would be :lol:
PS
Love the Snowbird idea. That would be even more impressive. That character has "the strongest ties to the old Alpha" maybe meaning because she has several objects like you said. Can't waitto find out :)

That's what I am thinking. :D


Snowbird isn't worthy of the power of Talisman, she would only be able to channel a small aspect of the power shown when Walter who was using Snowbird's body donned the Talisman briefly.

An interesting counter point... but to your counter point I offer my counter counter points. :D

1. As you mentioned - WALTER - was inhabiting Snowbird's body. It was NOT actually Snowbird herself. So if it's based on Wortiness - it would base it on Walter's actions, NOT Snowbird's actions.

2. Snowbird has undergone a considerable amount of changes (for example, I believe she no longer has the main weakness of being bound to Canada Soil anymore).

3. While Walter was in Snowbird's body - I may be wrong here - but he couldn't even use SNOWBIRD's own body to its fullest extent. I am mistaken or was he only able to really turn into Sasquatch (a white form of it, like Snowbird used to). I don't recall Walter ever being able to change into an Owl or anything else. My point? If Walter couldn't "maximize" the abilities of the body he was inhabiting - what would make one think that he could make "full potential" use of Talisman's headband?

4. For all intents and purposes, Walter is human. He has no real "connection" to magic, per se - other than in Sasquatch form, he apparently connects to the Great Beast. However, Snowbird is very mystical in that she is only half human - the other half, a goddess. Granting her, I would imagine, a considerable amount of control over magic that Walter would not know about.

There's more scrambling through my head - but I am stuck at work currently! ;)

[-K-M-]

1. Except even Snowbird mentioned she was not worthy, she bowed before Elizibeth even before she donned the Talisman. They stated the only reason Walter could was due to Snowbird's body it isn't about merit but who is choosen to don it. Countless times in the comics they stated the only one worty was Elizibeth, anyone else and the gods would take notice.

2. She isn't, as she went to the US to battle the X-Men as well as space to the Plodex homeworld. That doesn't mean she is worthy.

3. Here is the scan in question, it doesn't matter if he could harnish her full power as she isn't worthy. If she was it goes completly against what was said in the comics countless times.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/AlphaFlight68-19.jpg

4. Except as mentioned the reason he could don it was he was in the body of a goddess. That even did a scan of her while she was in human form and he/she was still magical

http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Lifeform_Identifier

The new attire even looks like the attire Shaman wore when he performed the spirit test and became the new Talisman

[Tawmis]

I remember them stating the only one being worthy is Elizabeth. They drove that point over and over. I can agree with that, no problem! :)

Now what I mean to imply is - since Snowbird has obviously undergone a series of dramatic changes in her life (and death). One of the examples I was trying to use is her not being restricted to Canadian Soil. Now that alone doesn't make her automatically worthy of the Talisman. BUT - where she could not cross the Canada border before, she could later. So what I am trying to get at is - if she wasn't worthy before, obviously things have changed in her - that may now make her worthy of actually being able to use the Talisman.

And with Shaman's remark about the gods will take notice, and channeling only a fraction of it - I get what he was saying back then. But anyone (with a small twist of creativity) could say - What Shaman was imply is that "she" as in WANDA (or Walter) could not access the full potential because of his intentions of how he was using the Talisman (it was being used clearly while Wanda/Walter had it out of anger and vengeance... so he wasn't "worthy" of using the full potential of the Talisman).

I am just saying that it's not entirely possible - AT ALL - that it could be Snowbird.

But you make an outstanding point that the shadow does resemble when Shaman became um, Talisman... or however you want to phrase that.

I guess why I am stuck on it being Snowbird is - they (Quesada or whoever it was) - made a point of the fact that Snowbird was not present when the Collective came through and that she would be seen again. (Of course, this could mean that Talisman is indeed Talisman, and Snowbird just has a guest appearance or something in Omega Flight...) :)

But like I said - it's a hunch.

[-K-M-]

Only time will tell, I would be annoyed if it was Snowbird with all the equipment of other Alpha Flight members. It should be Talisman, as even the Talisman has controlled the Great Beasts as well as summoned the Gods of the Arctic

[Captain Primate]

I think the empty space in the middle of the shield would be a great place for a big old maple leaf.

I think that would be great, but the spoiler image of Omega Flight has the shield with a star in the middle.

Although photos have been known to be edited to create rumors and speculation.

http://geocities.com/davidchenard99/omegaleaf.jpg

See? :P

Dude! That is fantastic! I love it!

MikeM

That is potentially the most awesome thing that I have ever seen. A thing of beauty. You know that is going to get passed around the web as "real," don't you?

[Canucklehead]

That is potentially the most awesome thing that I have ever seen. A thing of beauty. You know that is going to get passed around the web as "real," don't you?

haha I hope so. Fill your boots, send er off, see what people say. I'd love to hear their reactions. It literally took me 30 seconds. I just wish I could find a career in this field! Pay some bills! lol

[rplass]

I registered http://www.omegaflight.net. It was fun.

Uh, don't bother clicking on it because there's nothing there. It just forwards to alphaflight.net.

Love,
rplass

[PWalk]

So umm...

where's Walt?

If anyone survived the collective it should have been him. Bring the furball back.


But anyway I like what I see so far. BRB is new to me somewhat bit from what I just read I like him.

I don't want that to be Mac in the suit. Enough is enough.

Talisman making a return would be great. Given the pouch Elizabeth becomes a huge force to deal with.

I can pass on the Spiderwoman and US Agent. Rehashes. Give me Puck and Sassy and all would be right.

[Northcott]

Just a couple thoughts:

1) Human beings have been known to, time and again, survive horrific injuries. We're a much tougher species than we usually give ourselves credit for. There are stories of convicts in the early British "justice" system who'd take whippings of the lash -- enough so that bone was showing through in some places -- and then just don their shirts and walk away with the blood staining the cloth. Other men die under such punishment.

We're an odd bunch.


2) Corpses don't cry. Now go look at Mac's eye in that picture of the bodies in the snow.

3) I'm probably dead wrong. :)

[-K-M-]

In Earth X Mac's entire body excluding his head was destroyed yet he still survived due to his cybernetic parts...the same parts 616 Guardian has.

[Northcott]

We think very much alike, Mreeez. Along with all the other brilliant story potential in having it be Mac in the suit, there's the added emotional punch of (potentially) being a single parent.

On the other hand, perhaps he's not the only member of Alpha to survive? Perhaps Alpha Flight is dead metaphorically speaking: they survived, they're retiring. Heather focusing on the other aspects of her life could be interesting as well. A liaison with Dept H, leaving the Hudson's to work in tandem.

It would be nice to see a Marvel book where there's not some kind of bizarre mandate for every relationship to be utterly dysfunctional. A solid, working marriage would be a pleasant change at this point.


Guess I am in the minority in long time AF fans but to me Mac was always Guardian, not Heather.

I think it was just being blown away in X-Men #109, the iconic image of Weapon Alpha bursting through the ground and proceeding to beat the tar out of Wolverine. I remember when I first saw that and was just awed at the image.

And, like a previous poster said, we never really got to see Mac leading the team for a period of time. Every time he was brought back, I was looking forward to Mac at the helm but he was killed/written off again and again.

To me, I would like to see Mac and Liz in the new book with the rest of AF retired due to the results of NA #16. I get the feeling that Shaman was killed and that Liz is inheriting the mantle from him.

Something I would like to see is more Alphans in other books. We have had Northstar in X-Men, Aurora and Jeffries in Weapon-X (i think was the name of that book) and Lil in 198. I always thought Puck would be great in the Avengers.

[kozzi24]

(Seen above: Vindicator, Puck, Sasquatch, Major Maple Leaf, Guardian, Murmur {I am guessing here, but that's who it looks like}, and then Shaman).



Um, why guess when you could read the issue to know it's Puck 2 from Volume 3?

[varo]

i think this is a dead giveaway who talisman will be, she is wearing a similar outfit, although shadowed, in the promo art.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j271/Oeming/TALISMAN.jpg

[Ben]

I registered http://www.omegaflight.net. It was fun.

Uh, don't bother clicking on it because there's nothing there. It just forwards to alphaflight.net.

Love,
rplass

heh, I was gonna do the same thing, you beat me to it :)

Ben

[Northcott]

i think this is a dead giveaway who talisman will be, she is wearing a similar outfit, although shadowed, in the promo art.



You may be over-thinking that a little. And perhaps under-examining. She's wearing a bomber jacket in that shot. In the cover image (and I think you're right as to the identity) her garb is just a shadowed-out version of northern native ceremonial dress. I even noticed what seems to be bells at the ankles. Reminded me of the "jingle dresses" I saw as part of the big pow-wow dances.

[varo]

your probally right, but theres got to be a reason mike was drawing her for "research" :D

[Northcott]

your probally right, but theres got to be a reason mike was drawing her for "research" :D

You know I'm a happy man if more of the old guard make an appearance. :)

[Tawmis]

(Seen above: Vindicator, Puck, Sasquatch, Major Maple Leaf, Guardian, Murmur {I am guessing here, but that's who it looks like}, and then Shaman).

Um, why guess when you could read the issue to know it's Puck 2 from Volume 3?

Um, that's an easy one!

Because I don't collect NEW AVENGERS. (Pretty much hate the roster they have so I have NO interest in dropping 2 to 3 bucks a month on it). I am a little more picky these days about what comics I pick up. (A house payment and two car payments tends to deplete the checking account rather quickly...)


your probally right, but theres got to be a reason mike was drawing her for "research" :D

Well keep in mind, with the post of that image he clearly states:

"and this Omega Fligth thing was a character study I did BEFORE THE TEAM WAS PICKED- so this has nothing to do with the story, it was just me thinking about Flight and yadda yadda."

[Mokole]

Yah, but I really doubt that the characters from AF aren't James Hudson and Elizabeth Twoyoungmen. Too many reasons to think otherwise. Actually, I'd put only the identity of Spider-Woman as a 'who knows', although Mattie or Carpenter are so likely. :P

Seems the book will be out one month after Civil War #7, so hopefully that will be February, if not early March.

[cmdrkoenig67]

your probally right, but theres got to be a reason mike was drawing her for "research" :D

You know I'm a happy man if more of the old guard make an appearance. :)

I'd rather see the old guard...period. :cry:

Dana

[Guardian]

Just a couple thoughts: .


2) Corpses don't cry. Now go look at Mac's eye in that picture of the bodies in the snow.


Great eye! I hadn't noticed that before. I'm hoping that that is Mac in the Guardian suit. :)

[Guardian]

Guess I am in the minority in long time AF fans but to me Mac was always Guardian, not Heather.

I think it was just being blown away in X-Men #109, the iconic image of Weapon Alpha bursting through the ground and proceeding to beat the tar out of Wolverine. I remember when I first saw that and was just awed at the image.

And, like a previous poster said, we never really got to see Mac leading the team for a period of time. Every time he was brought back, I was looking forward to Mac at the helm but he was killed/written off again and again.

To me, I would like to see Mac and Liz in the new book with the rest of AF retired due to the results of NA #16. I get the feeling that Shaman was killed and that Liz is inheriting the mantle from him.

Something I would like to see is more Alphans in other books. We have had Northstar in X-Men, Aurora and Jeffries in Weapon-X (i think was the name of that book) and Lil in 198. I always thought Puck would be great in the Avengers.

I agree with you mreeez (in fact I might be the poster you refered to) Mac never really got the chance to be developed as a character before being killed off. Everyone says he was boring and emotionless, but has anyone taken a look at Reed Richards?! Talk about distant. He's always been the absentminded professor who gets lost in his work, but no one calls him boring or emotionless. What gives?
I agree with both of ya'll. Mac was never given a chance to be a real leader. That's why I'm hoping that is Mac in the suit. So he can rightfully take the mantle as leader of Alpha/Omega Flight. :)

[Guardian]

your probally right, but theres got to be a reason mike was drawing her for "research" :D

You know I'm a happy man if more of the old guard make an appearance. :)

I'd rather see the old guard...period. :cry:

Dana

Though this new team has some potential. I'd like to see the old Alpha too.

[mos_def]

I hope its a tear and not some melting snow on his face

[Northcott]

I hope its a tear and not some melting snow on his face

If that's all it were, it would probably be more than one conveniently placed chunk of snow. I hope. :)

You know what I dig about the promo cover? Look at Guardian's suit. It's glorious. You wouldn't think that a stylized maple leaf would be so damned hard for people to draw, but so many artists screw it right up. Here? Perfect. I'm digging that. And I'm digging that Elizabeth has more traditional garb as well.

[Transmetropolitan]

Though this new team has some potential. I'd like to see the old Alpha too.

I'm content. You know why?

Because this line-up won't last forever, and in the meantime, we'll hopefully get some cool stories out of it.

[Northcott]

Though this new team has some potential. I'd like to see the old Alpha too.

I'm content. You know why?

Because this line-up won't last forever, and in the meantime, we'll hopefully get some cool stories out of it.


For me the sense of optimism comes from the interviews with the new creative team, and seeing Mike Oeming here, doing his research. He's not just asking what the fans prefer (which, let's face it, needs to be ignored to an extent), but doing quick research into where they come from and what makes that place tick.

I don't expect them to get it perfect -- they are, after all, looking in from the outside -- but the initiative in action, the consideration of the past, the fact that these two guys were fans long before they landed on the book, and the quality of their past work? These are all good things.

I'd have loved to tackle this book. But by God, if it wasn't me, I'm glad it was these guys. :)

[DelBubs]

I hope its a tear and not some melting snow on his face

If that's all it were, it would probably be more than one conveniently placed chunk of snow. I hope. :)


Being the saddo fanboy that I am, I looked at that image in PSP. After much scrutiny I've almost convinced myself that that is a tear. Non of the other figures seem to have any material that could be snow on their bodies. As Ed pointed out as well, it is conveniently placed. I'm hoping/convinced :-)

[Le Messor]

Yay. Another Alpha Flight book without Alpha flight. I'm so excited. I just can't hide it. :?

My feelings are mixed up at the mo'. I'm already crying; 'Another 'Alpha Flight' series without Alpha Flight'. :( (And it is, for all the name change. At least it's honest this time.) But why should I get excited about yet another book on the market? It has little to do with Alpha Flight.

But, Mike sounds good. Sounds like a good writer, with a love of the mystical storylines, which is part of what made the orginal series for me.


I typically layout questions for the reader to ask, I never lay it all out at once or spoon feed the reader in any way.

I like that style. This smacks, to me, of good, intelligent writing.

Mike's 'You can't just rock into Mordor' (http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=84107&page=2) sig is painfully funny! I'm LOLling until it hurts!

He seems to have respect for the original series. But it seems I've heard those words before, and hated the run that followed.

It's occurred to me that publicity still is an homage to Excalibur #1. Subtler than most, but there you have it.
Also, please remember (with the Cap thing) that the interview talks about Scott's habit of changing costumes.


Dana, I know we're not getting Alpha as we know it, but we are getting a good writer and artist and Mike Oeming ha said in his earlier post that there will be references to Alpha. As long as it ain't vol 3 revisited I think we should be fine.

I recently read (about X-3) 'As long as you get your fave character on screen, even if there's a major change, you should be happy'. This comment reminds me of that. Sorry, Del, but I'm a fan of Alpha Flight. I busted my buns to be in Alpha Flight, I wanna be in Alpha Flight.
Why should a completely different team make me happy? Why should I get excited about a new Alpha Flight book when I already know I'm not getting one? A bunch of characters who I've never read before ('cept maybe the Spider-Woman) team up... So what?

Even if I love this book (which I demand may, or may not happen), that won't make it Alpha.
Hmm... I think I'll give it its own section. I will be picking it up, make no mistake about that.

I've been missing Talisman; I've noticed that of all Byrne's creations, she seems to be the only one we haven't really heard from. Yay! (To her return; that is so her coronet.)
Could be Snowbird, but I still think the Northern Lights are more Liz' signature than Birdie's.


Corpses don't cry.

They leak.

I believe totally that an American who would protest an Australian as Captain America would have no trouble at all with a USAan in the Guardian outfit. Come to think of it, it's not like he's 'Captain Canada'.

from:
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888

"Why not a South American one? Or an Australian team?
Is it because Canada is an English (in addition to French) speaking country?"

Hey! We speak English here, too! To read makes the talking English good!

Oh, and 'Alpha' and 'Omega' are Greek, not Latin! Who wrote this thing?!

"I think it has to be more “character” based than “action” based. There has to be action in every issue, but it has to revolve around character. Flight at its best has always been about the characters. When [John] Byrne first did Flight, that’s what made it special."

Damn straight!

Canucklehead, I love that first one, the omega within a leaf.

- Mik
"For I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End."
- God

[Legerd]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888


NRAMA: All right, moving along… Is that Guardian, Vindicator? Is it James Hudson, or someone else?

MO: It’s the Guardian/Vindicator outfit that’s for sure [laughs])

Oh geez, a cold shiver just went down my spine. I think Mac is dead and this is... well I don't know who it is. But, if Mac isn't in the suit then I'm not sure I will bother with the title. Yes, I feel that strongly about it.


NRAMA: Finally, the last character… speculation has ranged from Storm, to Talisman, to Snowbird…what can you say at this juncture?

MO: I'll say that she is the strongest link to Flight’s past, spiritually inheriting the team... Oh crap, that could be either character, can't it?

Which makes me believe Mac is definitely not in the Guardian suit, since he would be the strongest link to the team's past. *sigh* I think nothing's changed at Marvel. :cry:


NRAMA: Okay, any parting thoughts, first impressions you want to leave readers with for the next few months while they await the debut of the series?

MO: I guess I just want to impress on the reader that Marvel is really behind this. They don’t just want another Alpha Flight book, this isn't about nostalgia, they want Flight to be a success, be as strong as their strongest books, not just a strong “filler” series.

If TPTB at Marvel wanted Alpha Flight to have been a success then they should have put more effort/money into doing so. Poor creative team after poor creative team ruined the title the first time. The serious lack of anything Alpha, the lame newbie characters and lousy writing tanked Vol. 2. The third series should never have been considered let alone produced. If this time around Marvel tries harder to make the Flight work because it's made up of mostly Americans... well, that doesn't really make me feel better.

[Guardian]

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888


NRAMA: All right, moving along… Is that Guardian, Vindicator? Is it James Hudson, or someone else?

MO: It’s the Guardian/Vindicator outfit that’s for sure [laughs])

Oh geez, a cold shiver just went down my spine. I think Mac is dead and this is... well I don't know who it is. But, if Mac isn't in the suit then I'm not sure I will bother with the title. Yes, I feel that strongly about it.


NRAMA: Finally, the last character… speculation has ranged from Storm, to Talisman, to Snowbird…what can you say at this juncture?

MO: I'll say that she is the strongest link to Flight’s past, spiritually inheriting the team... Oh crap, that could be either character, can't it?

Which makes me believe Mac is definitely not in the Guardian suit, since he would be the strongest link to the team's past. *sigh* I think nothing's changed at Marvel. :cry:


NRAMA: Okay, any parting thoughts, first impressions you want to leave readers with for the next few months while they await the debut of the series?

MO: I guess I just want to impress on the reader that Marvel is really behind this. They don’t just want another Alpha Flight book, this isn't about nostalgia, they want Flight to be a success, be as strong as their strongest books, not just a strong “filler” series.

If TPTB at Marvel wanted Alpha Flight to have been a success then they should have put more effort/money into doing so. Poor creative team after poor creative team ruined the title the first time. The serious lack of anything Alpha, the lame newbie characters and lousy writing tanked Vol. 2. The third series should never have been considered let alone produced. If this time around Marvel tries harder to make the Flight work because it's made up of mostly Americans... well, that doesn't really make me feel better.

1. Oh man. I don't like the "sound" of that first comment either. If Mac isn't in the Guardian suit then, I will have a hard time spending my money on this title as well.
2. Same as above. Man I really hate Marvel sometimes. I think most of the time nowadays Joe Q. and the bunch have no idea what they're doing.
3.Man I'm a bit worried. I miss the old Flight. Alpha Flight should be strongly Canadian as Captain America would be American or Union Jack be British/English.

[DelBubs]

Should we be excited? - Well in the sense that it's not really Alpha Flight, probably not. Then again what has been 'really Alpha Flight' since #28 vol 1. So many false dawns, writers portraying them as third rate Avenger wannabee's or a very bad circus act with villians that rival Doctor Decibel for galactic threat. So Alpha as a concept doesn't really work.

When it was first built, it was a beautiful thing, but years of neglect has left it derelict and tottering, ready for collapse. I suppose we can continue patching it up, but that way it will never get back to what it was, or we can knock it down and rebuild from the foundations, keeping the best aspects from the original to be incorporated into the new.

I'm willing to give it a go, you can normally gauge what's going too happen within the first few issues. It may not be Alpha Flight, but it's the nearest we're gonna get.

The above ramblings we're bought to you courtesy of my eight month old grand daughter, who does not take into consideration that 'grand dads only had three hours sleeep'.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Should we be excited? - Well in the sense that it's not really Alpha Flight, probably not. Then again what has been 'really Alpha Flight' since #28 vol 1. So many false dawns, writers portraying them as third rate Avenger wannabee's or a very bad circus act with villians that rival Doctor Decibel for galactic threat. So Alpha as a concept doesn't really work.

So says Marvel...again and again (I just emailed Joe Quesada and he responded with more hogwash, just like at the time of Vol 3)...But hello! Give the freakin' original Alpha Flight a try (which Marvel hasn't since vol. 1)....MAYBE it will work...These boneheads(meaning Marvel) shouldn't keep saying it doesn't work until it's been actually tried.....GAAAAH! :x


When it was first built, it was a beautiful thing, but years of neglect has left it derelict and tottering, ready for collapse. I suppose we can continue patching it up, but that way it will never get back to what it was, or we can knock it down and rebuild from the foundations, keeping the best aspects from the original to be incorporated into the new.

Why not just give them a good shine and start rebuilding...The first story arc could be about that rebuilding...It might make for some good story-telling. Get a head count of the dead, missing and maimed and make a slamming team with the survivors (both old and new). The original team (I mean Mac, Heather, Puck, Sasquatch and Shaman) should not be left dead...They're important to the origins of the team, just as Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Wasp, etc...are to the Avengers (same applies to the X-Men's Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Jean, etc... Why else are they continually brought back, again and again (in various team line-ups and relaunches)? Why does Marvel do it with every other team, but not AF? :x


I'm willing to give it a go, you can normally gauge what's going too happen within the first few issues. It may not be Alpha Flight, but it's the nearest we're gonna get.

Some of us don't want yet ANOTHER stand-in team. We MAY give it a try, but I for one, don't give a crap about Beta Ray Bill, U.S.Agent and Julia Carpenter/Arachne...And that will decide if we continue to buy it. It may crash and burn faster than Vol. 3...Who knows?

Sure, I want to see Talisman and Guardian again...But I want to see them fighting along-side Shaman, Snowbird, Sasquatch, Vindicator, Puck, Northstar and Aurora...Not a bunch of Force Works cast-offs in an Avengers-Wannabee team.
Dana

EDITED to fix some irritating typos.

[Legerd]

Oh I know it won't be AF. I'm just tired of hearing everyone talk like the characters and the team's premise were the reason the original title kept failing. It wasn't. It was an utter lack of ability and creativity on the part of the various writers and a lack of commitment from Marvel.

If there was a failure when it came to AF the company shouldn't blame their product.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Oh I know it won't be AF. I'm just tired of hearing everyone talk like the characters and the team's premise were the reason the original title kept failing. It wasn't. It was an utter lack of ability and creativity on the part of the various writers and a lack of commitment from Marvel.

If there was a failure when it came to AF the company shouldn't blame their product.

You are SO right, Legerd.

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

1. Oh man. I don't like the "sound" of that first comment either. If Mac isn't in the Guardian suit then, I will have a hard time spending my money on this title as well.

Yup, I agree totally. I'm not going to buy a series just for Talisman...Sorry Elizabeth.


2. Same as above. Man I really hate Marvel sometimes. I think most of the time nowadays Joe Q. and the bunch have no idea what they're doing.

Ditto! they don't learn from their mistakes and they don't listen. They'll sell hundreds (maybe thousands/millions) of Toybiz John Byrne Alpha Flight action figures, Marvel Legends Sasquatch figures and Alpha Flight Heroclix/Beanz/etc...But they won't give the original team line-up a chance at their own series? What a bunch of dimbulbs.


3.Man I'm a bit worried. I miss the old Flight. Alpha Flight should be strongly Canadian as Captain America would be American or Union Jack be British/English.

You know it...For that matter...ANY team calling itself Omega Flight (and based in Canada!!!) should really be mostly Canadian too (it doesn't make any kind of sense, that they're not). :x

Dana

[Ben]

Keep something in mind folks, this is the starting lineup for the team. Guess what? LOTS of people are buzzing about this book, and it will draw lots of people in from the looks of it.

Ben

[DelBubs]

In laymans terms, Alpha Flight is f.u.b.a.r. Your right, it is wrong for Marvel to blame the product, they should be looking at themselves for ever allowing Seagle and Lobdell to further damage an already damaged concept. So what should they do ? Slap a plaster on it and hope the wounds will heal. "Lets just do it as Alpha Flight, with very little or no damage repair, that'll keep the Alpha fans happy". From what I'm hearing here, it prolly would keep us happy, but AF vol 4 goes the way of all flesh after a x amount of issues. So instead they ask Mike Oeming to do a major repair job which will prolly involve concepts that don't immediately appeal to the fans. What should we do, ***** about it before we even see what Oeming is gonna do or wait and see?

When we see that Mac isn't in the team, then surely that is the time to *****? When we see Omega Flight become Avengers North in all but name, then that's the time to *****. Negativity breeds further negativity, lets give Oeming the benefit of the doubt for now and ***** like unpaid whores if it all goes tits up. Not much to ask.

[Ben]

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

[cmdrkoenig67]

In laymans terms, Alpha Flight is f.u.b.a.r. Your right, it is wrong for Marvel to blame the product, they should be looking at themselves for ever allowing Seagle and Lobdell to further damage an already damaged concept. So what should they do ? Slap a plaster on it and hope the wounds will heal. "Lets just do it as Alpha Flight, with very little or no damage repair, that'll keep the Alpha fans happy". From what I'm hearing here, it prolly would keep us happy, but AF vol 4 goes the way of all flesh after a x amount of issues. So instead they ask Mike Oeming to do a major repair job which will prolly involve concepts that don't immediately appeal to the fans. What should we do, b***h about it before we even see what Oeming is gonna do or wait and see?

When we see that Mac isn't in the team, then surely that is the time to b***h? When we see Omega Flight become Avengers North in all but name, then that's the time to b***h. Negativity breeds further negativity, lets give Oeming the benefit of the doubt for now and b***h like unpaid whores if it all goes tits up. Not much to ask.

Like I said...I may buy the first issue (I may also take a peek at it first/"Byrne-steal" and decide not to buy it)...I'm being as positive as I can be right now and ya'll will have to deal with it. Should I support a book I have no interest in reading (with characters I have no interest in reading about)? No...I won't be a sucker again, just to feed a desperate AF need (Like buying the crap-fest of Vol. 3). As it has been said...This is not Alpha Flight, Del...I am an Alpha Flight fan...I don't want a bunch of stand ins (again)...Period.

...And why not slap some plaster on the old?....Do you bulldoze an old house just because it needs a bit of work and patching up? No. Should Marvel kill off every Avenger that doesn't always work well on the team? No...They usually just rework them a bit and sometimes they are a success later.

Dana

[Le Messor]

LOTS of people are buzzing about this book, and it will draw lots of people in from the looks of it.

Good for this book. But if it's not Alpha Flight, what do I care?

(Maybe I will, if it's a good series, which I enjoy. But, the point is, a popular non-Alpha team is still a non-Alpha team.)


Negativity breeds further negativity, lets give Oeming the benefit of the doubt for now and b***h like unpaid whores if it all goes tits up. Not much to ask.

Absolutely.
Marvel tends to look at something successful, grab a single aspect of that, and expect their books to sell really well when they shove it through all the titles. X-Files brought us v2. JLI brought us v3. Sandman brought us a lot of Alpha Flight v1.

The trend now seems to be realism (which I think comes from the X-Men movie). Thing is, with this one, unlike the others, it actually seems to make the books good. With a good editor, Oeming might write really well (as long as he gets rid of all those typos; 'I want to here from the fans'? ).

I hope so.

And I will buy Omega Flight.

But none of that will make it Alpha Flight. Maybe what Oeming does with the book will. Wouldn't that be cool?

(But I'm suddenly flashing back to v2, and Seagle's constant 'Stick around, I'm going to be getting back to the things you love' remarks, which meant a guest appearance in the last two storylines, and a single mystic-esque storyline. Come to think of it, I keep thinking I've heard all these arguments before; 'Give the new book a chance' 'A new Alpha title, yay!'...)

I'm thinking this series will be good. I'm getting an atmosphere of New Avengers or Young Avengers, both titles I enjoy.
But neither Alpha Flight.

- Le Messor
The Doctor: "Never think the situation will turn out for the worst until it's happened. Then you can think the worst."
Romana: "But what if it turns out for the best?"
The Doctor: "Don't be ridiculous. It always turns out for the worst."

[DelBubs]

...And why not slap some plaster on the old?....Do you bulldoze an old house just because it needs a bit of work and patching up? No. Should Marvel kill off every Avenger that doesn't always work well on the team? No...They usually just rework them a bit and sometimes they are a success later.

Dana
If the house is as rickety as Alpha is at present, you knock down the house and build again from the foundations.

If you slap plaster over a blown wall, it just covers the damage for a short while, eventually cracks appear and the whole thing falls down.

[cmdrkoenig67]

...And why not slap some plaster on the old?....Do you bulldoze an old house just because it needs a bit of work and patching up? No. Should Marvel kill off every Avenger that doesn't always work well on the team? No...They usually just rework them a bit and sometimes they are a success later.

Dana
If the house is as rickety as Alpha is at present, you knock down the house and build again from the foundations.

If you slap plaster over a blown wall, it just covers the damage for a short while, eventually cracks appear and the whole thing falls down.

This is fiction we're talking about here, Del...People get entirely too hung up on continuity (Myself included sometimes)....Everything can be mended and turn out just fine. Those cracks to which you are referring will only appear because of who is writing the book. Get a good writer and those cracks will never been seen again.

Dana

[DelBubs]

I'm not disputing that Dana, I'm just trying to say that the damage to Alpha Flight can not be repaired overnight. I know it's not Alpha Flight as we know it, but that doesn't mean it can't be.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I'm not disputing that Dana, I'm just trying to say that the damage to Alpha Flight can not be repaired overnight. I know it's not Alpha Flight as we know it, but that doesn't mean it can't be.

Wha-?! It does mean it can't be AF...It's called Omega Flight and it's roster is made up of Force Works/Thor cast-offs with one former AF member...How the heck can it ever be Alpha Flight?! I don't buy it (and it's highly probable that I won't buy it when it comes out either).

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

Dana:

Thanks for your suggestions and while I do appreciate the sentiment, the goal for us is to create a successful title. While Alpha Flight does have it's following, in the past it hasn't been a big enough following to keep the book afloat for a sustained period of time. Our goal is to hopefully refresh the concept and have it appeal to the old fans and hopefully enough new that we can continue publishing it for years to come. Will this work, I don't know, there are no guarantees in the entertainment biz, but we're going to be giving it our best shot. Hopefully you'll give the new title a shot and hopefully we can deliver the goods.

Be well,
JQ

Like I said...Hogwashery.

Dana

[DelBubs]

One former AF member? Permanently made up of Force Works/Thor cast offs. Well as long as we know that's definate, then make room and give me a banner, I've come to join your revolution.

Can you imagine if Omega really worked and sold well, then on the stength of that, they released Beta Flight as a monthly, that wouldn't be Alpha either.

[DelBubs]

Dana:

Thanks for your suggestions and while I do appreciate the sentiment, the goal for us is to create a successful title. While Alpha Flight does have it's following, in the past it hasn't been a big enough following to keep the book afloat for a sustained period of time. Our goal is to hopefully refresh the concept and have it appeal to the old fans and hopefully enough new that we can continue publishing it for years to come. Will this work, I don't know, there are no guarantees in the entertainment biz, but we're going to be giving it our best shot. Hopefully you'll give the new title a shot and hopefully we can deliver the goods.

Be well,
JQ

Like I said...Hogwashery.

Dana
Care to elaborate, cos I don't see hogwashery, just a well reasoned response.

[cmdrkoenig67]

One former AF member? Permanently made up of Force Works/Thor cast offs. Well as long as we know that's definate, then make room and give me a banner, I've come to join your revolution.

I/We don't know it's definite...I never said that (implied it, maybe), but that's what we've been told and shown, so far. There is no "revolution"...The only losers in this are AF fans, if this book turns out to be what Mr. Oeming, Quesada, etc...are claiming it will be. If this is a bunch of lies to cover up the real story (meaning a new and true AF book)...Great! To tell the truth...If it's a choice of being told lies or not being given any info....I'd rather be left in the dark....Thanks.


Can you imagine if Omega really worked and sold well, then on the stength of that, they released Beta Flight as a monthly, that wouldn't be Alpha either.

Ooh!...Beta Flight?!...Who would be on that team? Marrina, Battlestar, Thor Girl/the Designate, War Machine, and the Irredeemable Ant-Man??!!! I'll pass...Thanks again.