No Omega Flight in World War Hulk

[mreeez]

From one of the panels and the Con in LA

"Omega Flight in WWH?" McCann: "They'll be busy getting set up in Canada, which is not part of the world," he joked.

http://www.newsarama.com/WWLA_07/Marvel/mondo.html

[-K-M-]

Good, it's for the best. As a new team that gets manhandled by Hulk will not get respect in the Marvel U.

I think OF would destroy Hulk, but this story seems like Hulk is going to have a huge jobber aura around him.

[Transmetropolitan]

Good, it's for the best. As a new team that gets manhandled by Hulk will not get respect in the Marvel U.

I think OF would destroy Hulk, but this story seems like Hulk is going to have a huge jobber aura around him.

I dunno.

It loiks like he's gonna THRASH Black Bolt.

Which is bollocks.

[-K-M-]

I dunno.

It loiks like he's gonna THRASH Black Bolt.

Which is bollocks.

That's what I'm saying, by all account he should not beat BB

[Transmetropolitan]

My point is, if they're letting him curbstomp Black Bolt, there won't be any especial shame in losing to Hulk this time around- and if OF were an ongoing, I'd welcome a tie-in, just for the exposure.

But wth only five issues?

No time.

[-K-M-]

My point is, if they're letting him curbstomp Black Bolt, there won't be any especial shame in losing to Hulk this time around- and if OF were an ongoing, I'd welcome a tie-in, just for the exposure.

But wth only five issues?

No time.

I find it the opposite, if this team can't take the Hulk how are heck are they going to fair against Elder Gods? As Alpha Flight use to battle often an even Exiles Alpha Flight.

[Transmetropolitan]

No, see, you're using REASON.

Which has clearly gone out the window.

Black Bolt should have ATOMIZED Hulk

Everybody's gonna job to Hulk this time around. It's not going to get anyone BUT ol' Jade Jaws any glory.

[-K-M-]

No, see, you're using REASON.

Which has clearly gone out the window.

Black Bolt should have ATOMIZED Hulk

Everybody's gonna job to Hulk this time around. It's not going to get anyone BUT ol' Jade Jaws any glory.

Indeed even HOM Blackbolt with just a whisper vaporized Apoc, and at full force Black Bolt has ripped a hole in reality with his scream.

If Omega Flight actually helps, such as Walter and Bruce are friends then I would be for it. Fighting I hope they don't even bother not with this jobber Hulk.

[Silex]

No, see, you're using REASON.

Which has clearly gone out the window.

Black Bolt should have ATOMIZED Hulk

Everybody's gonna job to Hulk this time around. It's not going to get anyone BUT ol' Jade Jaws any glory.

Indeed even HOM Blackbolt with just a whisper vaporized Apoc, and at full force Black Bolt has ripped a hole in reality with his scream.

If Omega Flight actually helps, such as Walter and Bruce are friends then I would be for it. Fighting I hope they don't even bother not with this jobber Hulk.

Sorry to nitpick, but I think you're using the term "jobber" incorrectly. When someone is said to be a "jobber", it usually means that they are defeated by another character in the goal of demonstrating of tough that other character is. In other words, in this particular example, Black Bolt is the one jobbing to the Hulk since we need to be shown just how strong the Hulk has become.

[mreeez]

My point is, if they're letting him curbstomp Black Bolt, there won't be any especial shame in losing to Hulk this time around- and if OF were an ongoing, I'd welcome a tie-in, just for the exposure.

Which, to me, was a problem with AF Vol. 1, they really were not in any of the big Marvel events and never got any big exposure. The bigges I can remember off the top of my head was Acts of Vengeance but that was pretty well into the run. Imagine if there was an AF member like Puck or Sas in lets say, Secret Wars?

[cmdrkoenig67]

Which, to me, was a problem with AF Vol. 1, they really were not in any of the big Marvel events and never got any big exposure. The bigges I can remember off the top of my head was Acts of Vengeance but that was pretty well into the run. Imagine if there was an AF member like Puck or Sas in lets say, Secret Wars?

They were in Contest of Champions(before they got their own series, of course), involved in Secret Wars II, in the multiple Infinity mini-series (especially the Infinty War and Infinity Crusade), had the two-issue crossover mini X-Men/Alpha Flight, they had a multi-issue crossover with the Avengers called "The Crossing Line" and the Acts of Vengeance event (two issues of AF, #79 and 80).

How were they not in any big Marvel events?

Dana

[Transmetropolitan]

They were in Contest of Champions(before they got their own series, of course

So that one may have helped the team, hm?


involved in Secret Wars II

Oh yay. They caught the re-run.


in the multiple Infinity mini-series (especially the Infinty War and Infinity Crusade)

Where their characterization was, to be generous, mishandled.


had the two-issue crossover mini X-Men/Alpha Flight

WHich is not a BIG event, it's a two-issue crossover involving NO ONE ELSE.


they had a multi-issue crossover with the Avengers called "The Crossing Line"

Which I've never even HEARD of.


and the Acts of Vengeance event (two issues of AF, #79 and 80).

All right, this one I'll buy.

But

Onslaught? Nary a tie-in. Not even an appearance by the characters that I can recall.

House of M? Throwaway characters mixed into a stew of much more prominent types.

Infinity Gauntlet? I can;t recall a single AFer being directly involved. Maybe Heather, I don;t remember.

Or to put it another way-

Every other event that brings the X-Men, Avengers, and Fantastic Four into the same room usually leaves Alpha in the cold.

[mreeez]

Which, to me, was a problem with AF Vol. 1, they really were not in any of the big Marvel events and never got any big exposure. The bigges I can remember off the top of my head was Acts of Vengeance but that was pretty well into the run. Imagine if there was an AF member like Puck or Sas in lets say, Secret Wars?

They were in Contest of Champions(before they got their own series, of course), involved in Secret Wars II, in the multiple Infinity mini-series (especially the Infinty War and Infinity Crusade), had the two-issue crossover mini X-Men/Alpha Flight, they had a multi-issue crossover with the Avengers called "The Crossing Line" and the Acts of Vengeance event (two issues of AF, #79 and 80).

How were they not in any big Marvel events?

Dana

Old AF had no real influence in any of the major Mavel events. They were not in Infinity Guantlet (the most important of the Infinity ones as Marvel was just milking the idea after that) and had no major roles in the other two (well Aurora had a role in one of the others but I forget which but the twins get love from other books a lot).

The most important crossovers at the time were the ones in the X-Men books where AF did not appear (The Massacre, Fall of the Mutants, Inferno etc) and it's pretty easy to get AF in an X-Men storyline.

They were not in the Secret Wars or the Evolutionary War, they no real role in Secret Wars II except to have the Beyonder show up in their book which he did in almost every book at the time.

Never in any of the Marvel crossovers did any AF member play any important role in that crossover. Back then they used to have side stories in other books to boost sales in case someone wanted to get every book in the story but they were not essential (Look as SW II, over 40 books you would have had to buy to get the whole she-bang).

Point is, I am not looking at being in a Marvel event as "Hey look, I think I see an Alphan in this issue way in the back of the frame", they were never part of it as in having some good part in the main storyline.

You always see the same Marvel heroes at the table so to speak when it comes to dealing with major threats in the big events, Cap, Iron Man, FF, Spider Man, Wolvie etc. It would have been cool to see Heather at the table with the big boys but that never happened. That's the kind of exposure I am talking about, not a token non important tie in issue to get money from the folks that want to get every tie in available.

[cmdrkoenig67]

They were in Contest of Champions(before they got their own series, of course

So that one may have helped the team, hm?


involved in Secret Wars II

Oh yay. They caught the re-run.


in the multiple Infinity mini-series (especially the Infinty War and Infinity Crusade)

Where their characterization was, to be generous, mishandled.


had the two-issue crossover mini X-Men/Alpha Flight

WHich is not a BIG event, it's a two-issue crossover involving NO ONE ELSE.


they had a multi-issue crossover with the Avengers called "The Crossing Line"

Which I've never even HEARD of.


and the Acts of Vengeance event (two issues of AF, #79 and 80).

All right, this one I'll buy.

But

Onslaught? Nary a tie-in. Not even an appearance by the characters that I can recall.

House of M? Throwaway characters mixed into a stew of much more prominent types.

Infinity Gauntlet? I can;t recall a single AFer being directly involved. Maybe Heather, I don;t remember.

Or to put it another way-

Every other event that brings the X-Men, Avengers, and Fantastic Four into the same room usually leaves Alpha in the cold.

Wow...And people call me negative....Sheeesh!

Dana :roll:

[cmdrkoenig67]

Which, to me, was a problem with AF Vol. 1, they really were not in any of the big Marvel events and never got any big exposure. The bigges I can remember off the top of my head was Acts of Vengeance but that was pretty well into the run. Imagine if there was an AF member like Puck or Sas in lets say, Secret Wars?

They were in Contest of Champions(before they got their own series, of course), involved in Secret Wars II, in the multiple Infinity mini-series (especially the Infinty War and Infinity Crusade), had the two-issue crossover mini X-Men/Alpha Flight, they had a multi-issue crossover with the Avengers called "The Crossing Line" and the Acts of Vengeance event (two issues of AF, #79 and 80).

How were they not in any big Marvel events?

Dana

Old AF had no real influence in any of the major Mavel events. They were not in Infinity Guantlet (the most important of the Infinity ones as Marvel was just milking the idea after that) and had no major roles in the other two (well Aurora had a role in one of the others but I forget which but the twins get love from other books a lot).

The most important crossovers at the time were the ones in the X-Men books where AF did not appear (The Massacre, Fall of the Mutants, Inferno etc) and it's pretty easy to get AF in an X-Men storyline.

They were not in the Secret Wars or the Evolutionary War, they no real role in Secret Wars II except to have the Beyonder show up in their book which he did in almost every book at the time.

Never in any of the Marvel crossovers did any AF member play any important role in that crossover. Back then they used to have side stories in other books to boost sales in case someone wanted to get every book in the story but they were not essential (Look as SW II, over 40 books you would have had to buy to get the whole she-bang).

Point is, I am not looking at being in a Marvel event as "Hey look, I think I see an Alphan in this issue way in the back of the frame", they were never part of it as in having some good part in the main storyline.

You always see the same Marvel heroes at the table so to speak when it comes to dealing with major threats in the big events, Cap, Iron Man, FF, Spider Man, Wolvie etc. It would have been cool to see Heather at the table with the big boys but that never happened. That's the kind of exposure I am talking about, not a token non important tie in issue to get money from the folks that want to get every tie in available.

Sigh.........Okay..I give up.

Dana

[Le Messor]

Wow...And people call me negative....

Nobody calls you negative. Why can't you be positive for once?

:D
- Le Messor
"Disillusionment is a GOOD thing; to be disillusioned is to be enlightened."
- Mark T. Shirey

[mreeez]

Wow, Trans and I musta been writing at the same time, heh.

[-K-M-]

Sorry to nitpick, but I think you're using the term "jobber" incorrectly. When someone is said to be a "jobber", it usually means that they are defeated by another character in the goal of demonstrating of tough that other character is. In other words, in this particular example, Black Bolt is the one jobbing to the Hulk since we need to be shown just how strong the Hulk has become.

When you say "jobber aura" it tends to mean other people job to them. As even Captain America has a jobber aura about him, doing things he shouldn't people like Namor or Hulk don't fight at what they can do. It's a common saying on other boards.

[Flightpath07]

Wow...And people call me negative....Sheeesh!

Dana

You're not negative. You're wonderful ! :oops:

[Tiberius Bane]

I'm glad Omega Flight is not going to be in World War Hulk. I would hate to see Hulk destroy them like he is gonna do to the rest of the Marvel U!

Oh yeah, Black Bolt wouldn't have atomized Hulk with a whisper. If he yelled, sure, but a whisper? No way. Hulk is a lot tougher than that. Remember, the madder he gets the stronger he gets and if you have read Planet Hulk? He's freaking PISSED!

Sorry, but big Hulk fan right here.

MikeM

[cmdrkoenig67]

You're not negative. You're wonderful ! :oops:

Thank you, FP...That's very kind of you.

Dana :D

[Phil]

I always liked the Hulk/AF interaction in each first respective series, especially Sasquatch taking him on considering his origin.
Though given the quality of crossovers lately it's probably better they don't show up.

[varo]

gotta agree with phil, of not being involved is for the best.

i loved the planet hulk storyline, but hulk was being portrayed on superman type levels.

[-K-M-]

gotta agree with phil, of not being involved is for the best.


*cough* what am I chopped liver?

[varo]

sorry king.

it was just the one directly above me, and my add kicked in.

:D

[Canucklehead]

Come on guys, you know Flight doesn't have to actually appear in a comic to be affec..er... annihilated.

"NEWSFLASH! On his way across the Atlantic, the Hulk leaps from NY to Labrador to Greenland". Reports say the green goliath landed on one structure on his brief stay in the province. Reports are saying dozens of people were killed in the incident. Included in the known dead are heroes; Northstar, Aurora and Madison Jefferies(all three recently un-brainwashed and were celebrating), Diamond Lil, Earthmover, Feedback, Flex, Flinch, Ghost Girl, Goblyn, Manikin, Murmur, Pathway, Persuasion, Snowbird, James Husdon(Yes, he actually survived the Collective attack... but he's dead now), the temperal copies of Alpha Flight, Millenial Visions Alpha Flight, Alpha Flights from earths 607, 728 and 2305... oh, this just in, reports of a green female, possibly the long thought dead Marrina, appearing from the water to help find survivors... was shot by RCMP mistaking her for the Hulk. 'Me beys was fooled by da greeniness dere, wha. That Hulk by's, he's got some pretty big man-boobs dere. Wha this? Just a rum 'n coke by. No I'm not drunk by, I only had t'ree drinks, me love' says RCMP Constable Newfie McStereotype."

[Flightpath07]

Come on guys, you know Flight doesn't have to actually appear in a comic to be affec..er... annihilated.

"NEWSFLASH! On his way across the Atlantic, the Hulk leaps from NY to Labrador to Greenland". Reports say the green goliath landed on one structure on his brief stay in the province. Reports are saying dozens of people were killed in the incident. Included in the known dead are heroes; Northstar, Aurora and Madison Jefferies(all three recently un-brainwashed and were celebrating), Diamond Lil, Earthmover, Feedback, Flex, Flinch, Ghost Girl, Goblyn, Manikin, Murmur, Pathway, Persuasion, Snowbird, James Husdon(Yes, he actually survived the Collective attack... but he's dead now), the temperal copies of Alpha Flight, Millenial Visions Alpha Flight, Alpha Flights from earths 607, 728 and 2305... oh, this just in, reports of a green female, possibly the long thought dead Marrina, appearing from the water to help find survivors... was shot by RCMP mistaking her for the Hulk. 'Me beys was fooled by da greeniness dere, wha. That Hulk by's, he's got some pretty big man-boobs dere. Wha this? Just a rum 'n coke by. No I'm not drunk by, I only had t'ree drinks, me love' says RCMP Constable Newfie McStereotype."

Har!
A good one, that is.
But totally unbelievable.
Everyone knows there are no structures in Labrador big enough to hold that many people! (Besides, ain't Labrador a doggie?)


"NEWSFLASH! Millions of American heroes eagerly head to the Atlantic provinces to become the offical protectors of far eastern Canada!"

[Barnacle13]

Wow...And people call me negative....Sheeesh!

Dana :roll:

That's a negative on the negative! I think you're just a bit too real for folks sometimes! It's kind like being told, "I told ya so" without saying the words. On the positive side, at least you don't use double negatives. Though in your case that may be a bad thing because two negatives make a positive or somesuch.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Wow...And people call me negative....Sheeesh!

Dana :roll:

That's a negative on the negative! I think you're just a bit too real for folks sometimes! It's kind like being told, "I told ya so" without saying the words. On the positive side, at least you don't use double negatives. Though in your case that may be a bad thing because two negatives make a positive or somesuch.

LOL...That's right. I'm just trying to point out is that AF has had Crossover/company wide-events exposure (even though some folks seem to believe they've had none). I think any exposure helps, large or small.

I forgot to mention the Marvel/DC crossover(Amalgam) and the Age of Apocalypse multi X-book crossovers(AF was involved in those too).

I really feel more and more, Alpha Flight should have had a crossover (or two) with the X-Men and Wolverine (He used to be one of them, per retcon). Why didn't Marvel have a big AF/Wolvie/X-event during Volumes one or two? Why couldn't Alpha have been involved in the Phalanx Covenant X-crossover or the Bastion/Sentinel one?

Wolverine and X-Men have been the biggest selling titles longterm of Marvel...Why didn't they take advantage of that (AF freakin' debuted in X-Men, for Pete's sake!)? I know some of you are opposed to Wolvie appearing in AF, but I think it could possibly get more X-readers interested in AF and Truthfully...AF needs all the help and readers it can get.

It's kind of too late for the Wolvie crossover to work, with Mac, Heather, Shaman and Puck all dead(All the folks Logan is closest to in AF)...It just wouldn't feel right without his friends there...Sigh. :(

Dana

[Shaman Of The Whills]

I've been a pretty big fan of the whole Planet Hulk thing, along with most of the World War Hulk previews. I'm sad to hear that Omega won't be making an appearance because I think it'd be mighty fun of them to do so... I also agree that even in the present incarnation they could tear the old Hulk apart... of course, in his present state I'm inclined to think that no one can really stand up to him, but thats because I'm accepting the ridiculous sudden boost to his invulnerability of being able to stand against BB... I think that rather than going against the green man himself, they could certainly at least play a part in battling some of the many minions he should be bringing with him to Earth... its good to hear that the Green Man doesn't have any beef with Canada though... I'm thinking being on the other side of his rampaging would not be the most favorable place to be.

[Powersurge]

I don't see how anyone could have a problem with Wolverine appearing in AF. One, it has always been said that he was meant to lead them, and two, Wolverine sells.

I would've loved to see a new team formed, at least for a time, around Wolverine. And speaking of Wolverine, has the death of AF been on his mind *at all* since the Collective arc?

As for the Hulk not coming to Canada in the World War Hulk crossover; the really real reason is that his run ins with Wolverine and Sasquatch have in fact taught him better than to drop the gloves with us Canucks.

[Ottawa Renegade]

I don't see how anyone could have a problem with Wolverine appearing in AF. One, it has always been said that he was meant to lead them, and two, Wolverine sells.

I would've loved to see a new team formed, at least for a time, around Wolverine. And speaking of Wolverine, has the death of AF been on his mind *at all* since the Collective arc?

While not his biggest fan by any stretch, I'd like to see a Wolverine appearance for that reason alone. To pay his respects or something.

Oh well. Maybe in #6. :wink:

I'd also like for him to explain that "I hate Canada" stuff. :roll:

[Canucklehead]

I'd also like for him to explain that "I hate Canada" stuff. :roll:

If he hates every place he gets attacked, well... he should hate the Earth.. and space. 8)

[Ottawa Renegade]

I'd also like for him to explain that "I hate Canada" stuff. :roll:

If he hates every place he gets attacked, well... he should hate the Earth.. and space. 8)

That doesn't leave a whole lot of room...

[Shaman Of The Whills]

I think the big reason why people would be opposed to Wolverine appearing in a title is because they'd think it was just another draw for the fanboys who need every title, or trying to sucker people in with a Wolvie appearance, even though this would be a perfectly legitmate appearance...

The problem is that they really, truly have just started throwing him everywhere to pull people in and they've unfortunately worn him out so that he can't actually go to the places where he belongs... like paying his respects to AF. I honestly would've loved to see a pure memorial issue, perhaps even a remembrance of the best times with AF with Wolvie leading the memorial, despite the fact that everyone would probably find it to too cheezy... but at the very least I would've wanted something like what they're doing with Fallen Son. I mean heck, Wolvie never even really liked him and yet hes just accepting the deaths of his dearest mates? That I don't believe. At the very least I'd think he'd speak a word or two with Sassy post-event.

Also, you'd also think that when Hulky-boy comes crashing the Earth, they'll want every big gun they've got, and since Sas has tangled well against him before, they'd at least say "Hey, Canada, lend us one?" or something... course with the writers these days they'd just make OF cannon fodder to prove how strong Hulk has gotten ala DBZ fashion.

[-K-M-]

course with the writers these days they'd just make OF cannon fodder to prove how strong Hulk has gotten ala DBZ fashion.

and that was my concern earlier.