CW: Battle Damage Report (SPOILERS)

[Ben]

Featured are Big Hero 6, Omega Flight, US Agent, and Arachne.

Interesting notes are:

Sasquatch listed as a team member
Sasquatch referred to "One of the FEW survivors of the original Alpha Flight"
Michael Pointer referred to as Guardian, attempting to attone for his sins
S.H.I.E.L.D and the US governemt organized Omega Flight to protect the borders
The team is managed by C.S.I.S agent Jeff Brown
US Agent is the United States Liason

[-K-M-]

Oh cool so the Canadian government had nothing to do with Omega Flight...wait what?

[Ben]

Oh cool so the Canadian government had nothing to do with Omega Flight...wait what?

I'd say that's jumping to conclusions. Though Shied and the US set Omega up, it is managed by C.S.I.S.

Ben

[-K-M-]

Still, why would they need to form Omega Flight? The government has the experience forming these sort of teams so errr?

[Ben]

Still, why would they need to form Omega Flight? The government has the experience forming these sort of teams so errr?

As a part of the initiative, to catch "draft dodgers" presumably.

Ben

[-K-M-]

So the Canadian government couldn't do it themselves? that's what I don't get. I'm sure there is more to this then we know yet

[Ben]

Time will tell, eh?

[-K-M-]

Time will tell, eh?

yeah this doesn't hamper me, as all this discussion is purely speculation till the book comes out.

[Uncle Toxie]

S.H.I.E.L.D and the US governemt organized Omega Flight to protect the borders
[/list]

This can only end in tears...

Seriously though, I am still excited for this book. Between Omega and Hulk I am slowly getting pulled back in. Hope my wife doesn't notice.

[Mokole]

CSIS, and not Department H? More grounded in reality than the U.S., then.

With the SHIELD involvement you know that Talisman and Sasquatch will seethe if they try and act like NA #16 never happened...

[mreeez]

CSIS, and not Department H? More grounded in reality than the U.S., then.

With the SHIELD involvement you know that Talisman and Sasquatch will seethe if they try and act like NA #16 never happened...

I just picked it up and it says that Dept. H was disbanded after the death of Alpha Flight.

[Ben]

Also stated that their headquarters is the C.S.I.S National Headquarters in Ottawa:

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/about_us/history_artifacts/images/photos/max_csishq.jpg

[Transmetropolitan]

Sasquatch referred to "One of the FEW survivors of the original Alpha Flight"


The pessimist in me thinks that they might just be referring to Birdy and the twins.

The optimist hopes for a broader scope of "original" in this case...

[Mokole]

I sort of agree, when they say "few survivors of Alpha Flight" it makes me think of Persuasion, Diamond Lil, Box, etc, not the ones in New Avengers #16.

Time will tell...

[Canucklehead]

Also stated that their headquarters is the C.S.I.S National Headquarters in Ottawa:

http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/en/about_us/history_artifacts/images/photos/max_csishq.jpg

That's a pretty cool looking building... and it's right next to the forest like Oeming said he wanted. Perfect! 8)

Yeah because they said "one of the few original" you know they mean the twins and birdy. To say "the only surviving, original member" would be a lie.

[Ben]

Or maybe plans have been made for other survivors to appear


Ben

[PWalk]

Because we all know Puck II survived. :roll:

[Legerd]

Also stated that their headquarters is the C.S.I.S National Headquarters in Ottawa.

So I wonder what will become of the huge Dept H HQ now? Office space?


Or maybe plans have been made for other survivors to appear.


Let's hope so. [-o<

[reaperbot]

It says in The Initiative that only Sasquatch survived. Battle Damage says that when Alpha Flight confronted the Collective "few survived." Few is more than one. Sasquatch is also described as "one of the few survivors." The same entry says that "the majority" of Alpha Flight is now gone. I am sure I read somewhere else recently that "several key members" of Alpha Flight perished but I cannot remember where. Whatever the case might be, it doesn't seem entirely certain that Sasquatch is the only survivor yet.

[Captain Primate]

I would agree - the text in Battle Damage definitely leaves the door open for the return of original members. Its just a matter of the mini lasting more than 5 issues.

[Le Messor]

Still, why would they need to form Omega Flight? The government has the experience forming these sort of teams so errr?
As a part of the initiative, to catch "draft dodgers" presumably.
Ben

So, basically, the US government has created a police force in a foreign nation for the purposes of monitoring what is, in effect an internal problem?

This once, that actually makes sense--Canada may want help in guarding its southern borders from too many illegal immigrants fleeing a repressive backwards government. I can just see it now; all the people in Winnipeg and their south of the border housemaids. 'Like, dude, it's totally clean!' (After all, we all know that the US has had HUGE successes doing the same thing. :roll:)
Man, I'm feeling sarcastic today. I don't even know how much of the above I meant. I think I started that paragraph 'straight' and it ended up sarcastic...

- Le Messor
"Help! I'm being repressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!"
- The Holy Grail

[Powersurge]

I can see Canada expecting aid from SHIELD and/or the USA in answering the problem caused by their SRA. Afterall, it's their problem that is spilling over into *our* borders. It seems there really should be some form of accountability there... to be neighbourly if nothing else.

I can also see the Canadian government actually wanting to pick a few US superheroes, "Mighty Avengers" style, to fill out whatever domestic team they might create to deal with the problem. It would be a nice addition to the relaitvely *large* selection of *Canadian* supers to chose from.

However, if this is all under the control of SHIELD and in particular the US, that is a little hard to swallow. Afterall, according to the CW Files Canada overturned it's own SRA.

For that matter, some of the lead up to Omega has certain US heroes cast as *fleeing* to Canada to practice a more traditional form of superheroism. This, even as pictures of USagents are shown.

So, whats up? A general lack of coordination at Marvel? A severe case of covering all your bases, or what?

Oh, and I'm still going to buy the comic... and I'll probably enjoy it too! You probably should and would too. BUT my time, money and commitment -- which is part of what ensures a few talented guys the *privelege* to make frickin SUPERHERO COMICBOOKS for a LIVING -- also buys me the right to criticize.. with extreme prejudice where felt due. So, take it all as being part of something I'm sold on... despite the fact that I "haven't read it yet". :D

[Le Messor]

Oh, and I'm still going to buy the comic... and I'll probably enjoy it too! You probably should and would too.

There was never any doubt.
(That I'd buy it, anyway. Enjoy? I'll see. The art's great, I know that.)


BUT my time, money and commitment -- which is part of what ensures a few talented guys the *privelege* to make frickin SUPERHERO COMICBOOKS for a LIVING -- also buys me the right to criticize..

Preach it, dude! Preach it! (Mickey B goes into shaking throes of religious fervour, even though that's not the kind of church he goes to.)

- Le Messor
"Do not believe that it is very much of an advance to do the unnecessary three times as fast."
- Peter Drucker

[SephirothsKiller]

I'm afraid that I'm feeling a might less optimistic after learning that the American government created OF... People do realize that we have a military right? Its small but it's still there. Canada is all for cooperation and accepting help, but we can take care of ourselves... We even have the Dwyer Hill Ski Team as our special forces unit! World sniping record what!

I find it odd that Marvel would think that the U.S. creating a military force for Canada would be realistic when in the real world we wouldn't even consent to a bloody missile shield because of sovereignty issues. (Though I think part of that rationale was also realizing that either way the missle would be shot down over Canada regardless.)

I still can't wait for the comic though... Its already being pre-sold on Ebay.

[Ben]

I'm afraid that I'm feeling a might less optimistic after learning that the American government created OF... People do realize that we have a military right? Its small but it's still there. Canada is all for cooperation and accepting help, but we can take care of ourselves... We even have the Dwyer Hill Ski Team as our special forces unit! World sniping record what!

I find it odd that Marvel would think that the U.S. creating a military force for Canada would be realistic when in the real world we wouldn't even consent to a bloody missile shield because of sovereignty issues. (Though I think part of that rationale was also realizing that either way the missle would be shot down over Canada regardless.)

I still can't wait for the comic though... Its already being pre-sold on Ebay.

These are things that I wouldn't put it past Oeming to have incorporated into the actual story line, though he may have had to trim some of that side of things out for the sake of the series going mini. You have to keep in mind that this book spins out of Civil War, which took place in the US. The way the book is launching shows some "typical" US/Canada sentiments.

Ben

[Canucklehead]

Well... I guess it's nice that the "evil" and "currupt" Canadian gov. of the Marvel Universe is fading away. Though, if we could fund the Weapon X program, I think we could put together some hero's of our own and take charge of it. Oh well, I'm sure there will be a power struggle in the series between the two Nations. That conflict is something I'd love to read aboot, eh?... sorry. 8)

[Uncle Toxie]

In order to lend a hand I decided to transcribe the text from the Battle Damage Report for everyone to see, so here goes.

"With the majority of Alpha Flight gone, the Canadian government no longer possessed the assets needed to deal with the hordes of American superhumans flooding their borders after the passage of the U.S. Superhuman Registration Act. Desiring to keep the Canadian economy stable, S.H.I.E.L.D. and the U.S. government decided to assist in securing Canada's borders. To that end, the new Omega Flight program was formed."

So there we have it, I have no doubt that Stark has financial interests in Canada so that would get his attention. Plus in Arachne's entry it says that see signed on to Omega so she could be with her daughter and not in prison, that makes sense to me too.

The more I hear about this project the more excited I get for it, I can't wait!

[-K-M-]

I picked up the issue, and it also said S.H.I.E.L.D worked with C.S.I.S to create the team.

Also I agree with Ben the context it was used in sounds like there were indeed a few survivors from NA #16. Later today I will actually post the scans

[Canucklehead]

At the begining it also says: "Alpha Flight (the group that would normally respond to such a potential crisis) seemingly perished during a confrontation with the Collective"

"Seemingly" as in "appears to have", but not 100% fact. I like how they leave the door open here. Sassy's "I'm the only survivor" might have been said more to scare Mike then be actual fact.

Guess we'll have to wait and see. 8)

[-K-M-]

Canada
Mentions S.H.I.E.L.D worked with C.S.I.S to form Omega Flight
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/CivilWar-BattleDamageReport06.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/CivilWar-BattleDamageReport07.jpg

Omega Flight
"...The Collective in North Pole, Alaska and proceeded to rampage through the Canadian tundra, many of Alpha Flight's members attempted to confront him..few survived. That's a pretty good indication there was indeed more than Sasquatch who survived.
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/CivilWar-BattleDamageReport40.jpg
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I properly will take these down soon as the issue recently came out.

[Hyperstorm]

Well... I guess it's nice that the "evil" and "currupt" Canadian gov. of the Marvel Universe is fading away. Though, if we could fund the Weapon X program, I think we could put together some hero's of our own and take charge of it. Oh well, I'm sure there will be a power struggle in the series between the two Nations. That conflict is something I'd love to read aboot, eh?... sorry. 8)

The Weapon X Program was a joint U.S./Canadian project.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Canada
Mentions S.H.I.E.L.D worked with C.S.I.S to form Omega Flight
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/CivilWar-BattleDamageReport06.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/CivilWar-BattleDamageReport07.jpg

Omega Flight
"...The Collective in North Pole, Alaska and proceeded to rampage through the Canadian tundra, many of Alpha Flight's members attempted to confront him..few survived. That's a pretty good indication there was indeed more than Sasquatch who survived.
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/CivilWar-BattleDamageReport40.jpg


It's looking more and more like Marvel is trying to leave the door open a crack as to who survived the Collective's assault. Perhaps Quesada and co. have noticed that many AF fans were really, really pissed about the death-toll and now they're back-pedaling abit...And rather than lose potential Omega-buyers, maybe they decided it was better to be vague about who actually died.

Dana

[Shaman Of The Whills]

While I become as frustrated as the next fan with silly retcons and such, there is also always the wonderful possibility of those. "Oh, did we say Puck died? We meant Puck II... did we say Guardian died? Who can even keep track of which one that was anyways..." This of course is mostly just a little joke in my mind, but... I'd rather clutch at a false hope than drown in reality.

Am I (and already I'm guessing I'm not) the only one who finds some of the writing about Canada in the BDR very condescending? I get that real military documents are probably pretty ruthlessly honest and unapologetic, but this is a comic book sum-up of the situation... they could be a little less... vile in their choice of words at least. I just think its a bit rude.

EDIT: Now getting to actually read the rest, not even just Canada. Its very anti-international.

[Corvus]

Thanks for the scans KM. They made a small errror in regards to CSIS, it stands for Canadian Security Intelligence Service, not Canadian Secret Intelligence Service. Not a huge deal, but something that editing should have caught, since ten seconds with Wikipedia will get the correct details.