everyone may want to read wolverine #53

[varo]

mods you can move this if you want, but................


all long-time alpha/omega fans will DEFITANETLY want to read it.

[Canucklehead]

because....?

[-K-M-]

Holy ****, I don't believe it.




SPOILERS:








WILD CHILD IS BACK BABY! and an apperance from Sasquatch.





END SPOILERS!

[Canucklehead]

WILD CHILD IS BACK BABY!

Back to Wildchild form? Or still Nosferatu-looking?

[-K-M-]

Back to Wildchild form? Or still Nosferatu-looking?

See for yourself...

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/wolverine_53_17.jpg

He destroys Wolverine

[varo]

i wonder which sasquatch thats supposed to be?

[Phil]

Is that panel set in the present or the past?

[Mokole]

Interesting. I won't get to see it, still no chance of going anywhere near a comic store this month...

[-K-M-]

i wonder which sasquatch thats supposed to be?

Walter and I think their going the route of Earth X and ignoring the Great Beasts and say he is from that animal tribe like the Tribe of the Moon and Sabertooth's clan Tribe of the Bear, etc.


Is that panel set in the present or the past?

Present. That's the newly upgraded Wild Child who is faster than Wolverine, and has posion claws that can knock Wolverine out for 2 days.

[-K-M-]

Interesting. I won't get to see it, still no chance of going anywhere near a comic store this month...

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/427954_3-alpha-flight-wild-child-respect-thread

enjoy for the time.

[Phil]

There's a black & white variant of the issue as well.

[Mokole]

Thanks, nice job by Wild Child! :wink:

[varo]

once omega goes ongoing, would love to see kyle around more often.

[SephirothsKiller]

That was amazing... Not that I'm at all liking where Loeb is going with this arc (ooh, all the furry mutants are from another race!!) but still, Wild Child!!! And Sasquatch looked horrible. But.... Wow!! Awesome issue! I'd also like to note how awesome it is to see the Black Panther continuously lose Sabretooth, since he's generally presented as the bees knees in every other comic.

[Canucklehead]

That was amazing... Not that I'm at all liking where Loeb is going with this arc (ooh, all the furry mutants are from another race!!) but still, Wild Child!!! And Sasquatch looked horrible. But.... Wow!! Awesome issue! I'd also like to note how awesome it is to see the Black Panther continuously lose Sabretooth, since he's generally presented as the bees knees in every other comic.

I think that's one of the the worst Sasquatches I've ever seen. I thought it was a werewolf. Still nice to make other appearances though. Wildchild looked great. They'll prolly keep him as a villain. There's a hell of a lot more heroes then good villains these days.

[SmurfInABlender]

from the picture he looks liek he'll make a pretty BA villian.. will be great for a run in with OF when it hits ongoing.. if he jsut floored the entire team.. of coruse they'd get up and destroy him.. but still woudl be tight to see him takeo ut the team

[rplass]

Do your research, writers!

Earlier in the book, Ororo and T'Challa were talking about a separate wolf/mutant species and they mention several wolf-like (lupine) mutants, specifically Thornn, Feral and Wolfsbane. Okay, so they're introducing this new mutant species, great theory, good examples, interesting twist on the Homo Superior thingy.

I'll ignore that Thornn and Feral are depowered because we aren't exactly sure if this is pre- or post-M-day. I'll also ignore that Kyle is depowered. And gray. And bald.

So what the Bendis is Sasquatch doing in that panel? He's not a mutant and certainly isn't lupine. Poor research or are we going somewhere? It's either a booby ret-con or Loeb's going Howling Commando on us.

Love,
rplass

[-K-M-]

So what the Bendis is Sasquatch doing in that panel? He's not a mutant and certainly isn't lupine. Poor research or are we going somewhere? It's either a booby ret-con or Loeb's going Howling Commando on us.

Love,
rplass

Yes this has me uncomfortable, they better not make him like Earth X a mutant.

[cmdrkoenig67]

i wonder which sasquatch thats supposed to be?

Walter and I think their going the route of Earth X and ignoring the Great Beasts and say he is from that animal tribe like the Tribe of the Moon and Sabertooth's clan Tribe of the Bear, etc.

WHAT?! That storyline was the stupidest ideas Marvel has ever had...Great!...So more continuity F$%@-ups! I hope they're not using that lamea$$ idea for Sasquatch.



Is that panel set in the present or the past?

Present. That's the newly upgraded Wild Child who is faster than Wolverine, and has posion claws that can knock Wolverine out for 2 days.

How convenient... :roll: Well...At least Wildchild is back.

Dana

[Transmetropolitan]

*sigh*

I'm just gonna go with the Walt we get in OMega Flight.

That said- I liked Gibney as a hero. As a villain he seems to be more than a little bit of a Sabretooth clone.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Do your research, writers!

Earlier in the book, Ororo and T'Challa were talking about a separate wolf/mutant species and they mention several wolf-like (lupine) mutants, specifically Thornn, Feral and Wolfsbane. Okay, so they're introducing this new mutant species, great theory, good examples, interesting twist on the Homo Superior thingy.

Uh....Feral and Thornn are feline mutants, not lupine...This whole thing is stupid.


I'll ignore that Thornn and Feral are depowered because we aren't exactly sure if this is pre- or post-M-day. I'll also ignore that Kyle is depowered. And gray. And bald.

So what the Bendis is Sasquatch doing in that panel? He's not a mutant and certainly isn't lupine. Poor research or are we going somewhere? It's either a booby ret-con or Loeb's going Howling Commando on us.

Love,
rplass

I really, really hope this isn't what they're doing with these characters... Leave them mutants....This Lupine sub-species thing is a bunch of BS!

Dana

[Phil]

I think their going the route of Earth X and ignoring the Great Beasts and say he is from that animal tribe like the Tribe of the Moon and Sabertooth's clan Tribe of the Bear, etc.


So what the Bendis is Sasquatch doing in that panel? He's not a mutant and certainly isn't lupine. Poor research or are we going somewhere? It's either a booby ret-con or Loeb's going Howling Commando on us.

Sassy only appears in the last panel so all of what you've just said is based on pure guesswork.
For all you both know he's only there because of his ties to Wildchild.

[Canucklehead]

Sassy only appears in the last panel so all of what you've just said is based on pure guesswork.
For all you both know he's only there because of his ties to Wildchild.

Has that storyline where it was hinted that Wildchild maybe the son of Walter been resolved, debunked or just forgotten altogether?

[Ben]

Sassy only appears in the last panel so all of what you've just said is based on pure guesswork.
For all you both know he's only there because of his ties to Wildchild.

Has that storyline where it was hinted that Wildchild maybe the son of Walter been resolved, debunked or just forgotten altogether?

Yes, that was resolved when we learned Walt's guilt about Kyle wasn't due to parent hood, but due to sweeping the failed phych evaluation under the carpet to get Kyle into the flight program.

Ben

[Adam]

Now I haven't read this issue but I've seen the online reaction here and at Newsarama... but the only way I can imagine Walt being connected to this wolf-race is if somehow Tanaraq is related to them (maybe he's their god or something)... but considering how loose this has played with continuity elsewhere I don't have a lot of hope.

[darc_light]

YEAH!!!! KYLE BABY!!!! I like his new look, 'cept for the nipple rings, those things always freak me out, 8-[ He beat up two of my least favorite characters in one issue!!! Now, if he could only take out Iron Man... :twisted:

I finally have something to talk about again!!!

[Barnacle13]

YEAH!!!! KYLE BABY!!!! I like his new look, 'cept for the nipple rings, those things always freak me out, 8-[ He beat up two of my least favorite characters in one issue!!! Now, if he could only take out Iron Man... :twisted:

I finally have something to talk about again!!!

Maybe he and Penance (Speedball) can form a new team.

[DelBubs]

Having read this, the only reason I can see for Sas being there is his previous connections to Wildchild, burying the psych profile etc. I'm witholding judgement until the whole arc is played out.

[Flightpath07]

once omega goes ongoing, would love to see kyle around more often.

YUP! AGREED!

[Flightpath07]

*sigh*

I'm just gonna go with the Walt we get in OMega Flight.

That said- I liked Gibney as a hero. As a villain he seems to be more than a little bit of a Sabretooth clone.

Totally agree.

[darc_light]

He makes a great hero, with all of his inner turmoil and struggle, along with his natural optimism, humor and loyalty. But, I agree that, as a villain, Kyle is usually shown as Lil' Sabretooth...And I hate Sabretooth. Even as a villain, even as a bald, wannabe Nosferatu I liked Kyle, he just has a loveable personality. I hope they don't rob him of that...
When he's sane, he's noble, loyal, funny and incredibly sweet, even as a villain he keeps some of these qualities, like the way he cared so much for Aurora while in Weapon X, even though she treated him like dirt, he still loved her...

[DelBubs]

I'm posting the whole review here as the link provided (http://www.thexaxis.com/cabledeadpool/cabledeadpool39.htm) gives you 'Cable & Deadpool #39', The Boy Who Made Silence #1

29 April 2007
Wolverine #53

WOLVERINE #53 - Evolution, part 4 of 6
"Insomnia" by Jeph Loeb, Simone Bianchi and Andrea Silvestri

X-MEN: FIRST CLASS #8 (of 8) - "The Treasure Hunters"
by Jeff Parker and Roger Cruz

------------

It's another very quiet week - aside from the final issue of First
Class, everything is in mid-storyline. But it's also a singularly dull
week outside the X-books as well, to be honest. So, more by default
than anything else, I've thrown in WOLVERINE #53. At least it's meant
to be a major title.

I haven't been greatly impressed by Jeph Loeb and Simone Bianchi's run
on this title. Its strongest feature has been the art, which is
undeniably beautiful. But while Bianchi knows how to produce a striking
image, he's not so great at stringing them together. The panel-to-panel
storytelling is hit and miss. When it hits, the book looks magnificent.
When it misses, though, it misses by a mile, producing a clumsy jumble
of confusingly arranged elements.

Still, at least you get some lovely pictures from Simone Bianchi along
the way. The story has much more fundamental problems. Jeph Loeb
broadens his canvas here and attempts to explain not only the link
between Wolverine and Sabretooth, but also the preponderance of mutants
with vaguely animalistic powers. Loeb doesn't make a very convincing
case for the latter point, in his choice of characters. Wolfsbane and
Wild Child are fair enough. Thornn and Feral would be reasonable
illustrations if it wasn't for the fact were cats, not wolves. Besides,
they lost their powers on M-Day - and this being a comic edited by Axel
Alonso, I have precisely zero faith that the continuity error is
intentional. Sasquatch's inclusion on the list is just baffling, since
his powers are magical. Or, if you prefer the original version, he had
yet another accident with radiation. Either way, he's not a mutant.

The angle here, ludicrous as it may seem, is that all these
vaguely-related mutants somehow provide evidence of a parallel
evolutionary strain through wolves. No, really. That's the idea.

And Loeb doesn't exactly endear himself to me by having Wolverine
immediately challenge the very concept of evolution. Now, I suppose to
an extent you've got to expect this sort of thing when it comes to
American pop culture. With the best will in the world, there are
broadly three categories of people who don't believe in evolution these
days: people with very strong religious beliefs, people from countries
with dreadful education systems, and citizens of the United States of
America. Wolverine, being a Canadian, is none of the above, and he's
generally written as non-religious if not outright atheist. And if he
seriously had fundamental doubts about this whole evolution thing, you'd
have thought it would have come up during his thirty year membership in
the frigging X-Men, given how fundamental it is to the whole mutant
question. It's difficult to imagine a less appropriate person to raise
the issue.

Loeb also seems to be suggesting that Sabretooth's uncontrolled
behaviour is the result of his being older, and that Wolverine will
eventually deteriorate in the same way. Except we've had decades of
character development with Wolverine going in exactly the opposite
direction. This whole idea seems to be misreading the character on a
fundamental level.

Anyhow, let's leave that aside and consider the idea on its merits, such
as they are. What Loeb seems to be proposing here is broadly a cross
between two very bad ideas from the past. First, he's reviving the old
"Wolverine is really an evolved wolverine" idea, which Marvel toyed with
briefly in the mid-seventies before thinking better of it. Second, he's
using the idea that mutants with similar powers form a sub-species.
Well, that idea was stupid when Chuck Austen did it in "Dominant
Species", and it hasn't improved with time.

This being part four of six, of course, it's entirely possible that Loeb
is merely teasing this idea, and plans to go somewhere else. But that
wouldn't greatly improve this story (except in the sense that it would
do less damage). Even on that charitable reading, it would still be a
story that teased a dreadful idea, and had little else to offer.

This is poor. So far, Loeb has done little to justify his star status.

Rating: C-

I hope the reviewer doesn't get to miffed by my posting the full review :?

[Le Messor]

With the best will in the world, there are
broadly three categories of people who don't believe in evolution these
days: people with very strong religious beliefs, people from countries
with dreadful education systems, and citizens of the United States of
America.

As somebody who is definitely in the first category (okay, technically also the third)--LOL!

- Le Messor
"Do you mind if I don't smoke?"
- Groucho

[SephirothsKiller]

Heehee, what a snappy review. I loved it.

[DelBubs]

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[Theta_Ray_Bill]

Loeb's wolverine is among the DUMBEST books I've seen in my life. I wasn't a big Wolverine fan *BEFORE* his stupid animal people. Thankfully, after this Captain Jackass is gone, they'll retcon this out of existance. Because this is dumb. VERY VERY dumb.

[Le Messor]

For the premise to work, there would have to be two parallel species. They would not be able to produce offspring. And they would both have to be unaware of the wolf species.

Why didn't Hank put himself on the list? He put every other furry mutant / Great Beast possessed Gamma-irradiated scientist there.

Scott, talk to Loeb, please!

- Le Messor
"Don't remember anything you can look up."
- Albert Einstein (?)
"Sometimes it's more important to know where the information is than what it is."
- Mark T. Shirey, et al

[Damien]

Back to Wildchild form? Or still Nosferatu-looking?

See for yourself...

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/wolverine_53_17.jpg

He destroys Wolverine

OMG!

That's beautiful.

- Damien

[SephirothsKiller]

I have this theory that Loeb ended up using all of his creative magic on Heroes and so everything else he puts out is drained of any possibility of being good. So far Wolverine and Fallen Son confirms this for me.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I can only hope that Loeb is going somewhere opposite of where we think he's going with this, because if he is going for the wolf-people-evolution thing...I'll just puke. It was a supremely stupid idea in Universe X and it hasn't got any less stupid with time (more so, if Sasquatch is thrown in with every other animal mutant, like he was in UX).

It won't make Wolverine more interesting as a character...He might as well just make Logan/James/whatever one of the High Evolutionary's New Men.

Dana

[Theta_Ray_Bill]

But remember:

People will buy it, because its Wolverine! >.>

[cmdrkoenig67]

But remember:

People will buy it, because its Wolverine! >.>

Believe me...I know, Blech!

Dana :roll: