Omega Flight #5 Preview

[-K-M-]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0707/19/marvelfirsts.htm

Oh my

[SephirothsKiller]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0707/19/marvelfirsts.htm

Oh my

Awwww.

[Mokole]

They'd better make this on ongoing VERY soon.........

[Corvus]

Awesome.

Did Arachne cocoon herself in that last panel in a giant web ball?

[rplass]

Reber. Is. Comics.

Absolute best coloring I've ever seen, any book, any printing method, anywhere. It's incredible. THANKS REBER YOU ROCK! Every issue I see I just love the coloring, wonderful!

Love,
rplass

[Manikin]

Damn. Even this has been said about 100 times, I really hope this becomes ongoing. I was so excited after the last comic, and seeing these...truthfully, I was only able to force myself to look at the first 3 images. I just don't want to spoil the experience of reading the full comic in all it's glory.

DAMN!

[DelBubs]

A real honest to god Super battle in the pages of a Flight book, can't wait for this. Pointer in flight looks awesome.

[varo]

wow.

[Captain Primate]

wow....wow....wow wow wow...........wow

These are some nice pages. Thy did a really nice job creating a frantic, multi-layered fight scene. There is stuff going on in the foreground and the background. There is a real sense of complete chaos....very very dynamic...I love it. I especially love the part where bulldozer grabs USAgent by the foot and smashes him into the ground. Classic.

I cannot wait until the issue. Here is how I think its going to go down. Talisman does her thing with Walter....Walter comes back to earth....Walter looks around....Walter gets PISSED....Walter goes ape and kicks the living crap out of the Wrecking Crew.

[Barnacle13]

Thank God Arachne does the cocoon thingie! For a second I thought she wouldn't be coming home. Being in Tanaraq's clutches didn't look like a good thing for her. USAgent also looks like he's taking a pounding. Could it be that he doesn't go home and joins Cap and Bucky in the land of dead US Flag wearing superheroes? Then again Daisy slammed him in a similar manner in issue #2. I can't wait to see this entire book. The action seems fierce. The art and coloring are spectacular. And BRB finally unleashes! Awesome! Simply awesome!

[varo]

maybe michael pointer goes home to alaska.


or brb goes home to space


or talisman goes home to the reserve


or sasquatch goes home to be a part of omega full time.

[Flightpath07]

Not going home?

That'd be Sasquatch.
He sacrifices himself. Doesn't die, cuz Oeminmg did say he had future plans for him. But he will not be coming bakc to Earth at this time.

Remember, long before OF ever came out, Oeming said that Sasquatch would "maybe" be a member of the team, but he would be appearing in the comic. As of right now, Sas is NOT a member of OF.
So he is my bet for the one "not coming home."

By the way, in spite of all the griping about Wolverine's solo stories that I have been reading in other posts, i am absolutely pumped that my favourite Wild Child has been resurrected. I do not care how. i do not care why. I do not even care that he is currently evil again. I just love that he is back! Go Kyle, go Kyle go!

[Reber]

Thanks for compliments! Glad you liked the pages. I had a blast on this mini.

[Flightpath07]

Thanks for compliments! Glad you liked the pages. I had a blast on this mini.

Reber, you rock!
=D>

[Phil]

on this mini.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[varo]

well, san diego is next week, maybe something will come out of that.

as much as i haven't heard a announcement of a ongoing, i also have not heard that there will be no more omega stories.

plus, guardian will be in the next 12 issues of marvel comics presents.

[SmurfInABlender]

but him being in the next 12 issues of marvel presents might be a cop out "Oh it has a huge fan base but we really don't want to do an ongoing, instead lets try and get them you buy our marvel presents by having a small amount of pages devoted to a member of omega flight"

[Dfense75]

I fully understand being doubtful about an Omega ongoing. But all the info and hints given to us so far by Kolins and other sources have hinted at otherwise. As far as Im concerned...the wrighting is on the wall. I think we will have an Omega Flight ongoing.

[Corvus]

I'm hopeful for an Omega ongoing, but I could see it not happening until late this year, early next year.

[Beta_Ray_Bill]

I am being hopeful for an ongoing, but I'm prepared for it to not be. With its steady sales and devoted fanbase, I can see Omega becoming an ongoing...but, Marvel could always make an unintelligent move.

And I also agree with Corvus. It seems that an ongoing would have a delay.

[PWalk]

I haven't seen action like that in a Flight book since Vol. 1.

Thanks to all of the guys and gals who worked on it.

[Flightpath07]

I fully understand being doubtful about an Omega ongoing. But all the info and hints given to us so far by Kolins and other sources have hinted at otherwise. As far as Im concerned...the wrighting is on the wall. I think we will have an Omega Flight ongoing.

Actually, I think that is a little bit untrue. The hints given out so far by the creative staff of the mini have not actually hinted at anything more than the fact that Omega Flight will continue to be around.
It seems that the current creative team is not lined up to immediately jump into a full-fledged monthly title called Omega Flight, so...either we will get this comic quickly, with a new team doing it, or...we have to wait and see.
Seriously, it seems more likely to me that " the info and hints " have merely be leading up to the announcement of "Guardian" (gosh, it makes me want to hurl to call this guy by that name!) and Agent Brown and US Agent will be appearing in some stories in Marvel Comics Presents.
Nothing more seems to be forthcoming. At least not at this time. To say anything else, is wishful thinking seen through rose-coloured glasses.

So, we play the waiting game. We have done our part. We have supported, encouraged, and bought. Now we wait.

[Flightpath07]

And, for those of you who do not get Oeming's newsletter emailed to them, this is what it keeps saying...
"The next two years or so are all about Powers and Mice Templar!"

That is definitely NOT a ringing endorsement for Mike being onboard with a monthly O.F. series!

[Dfense75]

And, for those of you who do not get Oeming's newsletter emailed to them, this is what it keeps saying...
"The next two years or so are all about Powers and Mice Templar!"

That is definitely NOT a ringing endorsement for Mike being onboard with a monthly O.F. series!

Dont forget that he would not be allowed to say anything "official" until Marvel announces it first.

[SephirothsKiller]

And, for those of you who do not get Oeming's newsletter emailed to them, this is what it keeps saying...
"The next two years or so are all about Powers and Mice Templar!"

That is definitely NOT a ringing endorsement for Mike being onboard with a monthly O.F. series!

Dont forget that he would not be allowed to say anything "official" until Marvel announces it first.

I do doubt it will be Oeming though. Hopefully someone else just as talented though.

[DaVeO]

If they lose Oeming, Kolins and Reber because of this stupid downgrade to a mini. There will be pain. Oh yes, much pain.

[varo]

this was on oemings q&a:



Quote:
Originally Posted by Boss Hogg View Post
Did you here anything form anyone about the flight getting picked up as an ongoing?
Nope!

[Mokole]

Yes, Marvel will feel pain if there is no ongoing. You'd think they'd have learned that by now.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I fail to see what "pain" Marvel will be feeling if OF doesn't become an ongoing. Truthfully...Marvel doesn't think much of Alpha/Omega Flight fans (Tom Brevoort even less so), all we are to them is money.

They've made plenty of money already by giving us less than what we really want with each sub-standard Volume (excluding Volume one), killing off characters we love and replacing them with American and alien stand-ins...And even replacing one with the very man used to murder them...And we keep opening our wallets.

Why..Oh why do we keep doing it?

Dana :x

[Legerd]

Well, unless John Barber was lying outright...


I think it’s very likely we’ll be seeing more of Omega Flight. Can’t talk about specifics at the moment—but I have a nice, warm feeling that this won’t be the last we see of that team.

And this was not in reference to the Weapon Omega MCP serial either, he talks about that as a seperate venture.

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewBarberFridays.html

So, unless TPTB @ Marvel blindside us again, I'm thinking there's something coming.

[Beta_Ray_Bill]

If Marvel is, or was, going to make OF an ongoing series, it seems to me that it is a poor business move to allow its momentum to sizzle out.

Much of its backing is probably word-of-mouth and loyal Flight/Oeming-Kolins fans. I know that my friends are reading OF mostly because I gave them a free issue or two to get them into it. But, I am also sure that it has some sort intrest simply because of the "Initiative" banner that it has. Since Marvel has not taken advantage of the readers it has hooked now, would an OF ongoing four months down the road fail because people would stop caring?

It just seems like there are so many possibilities that won't be realized because they didn't bother to take advantage of a great series with such potential.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Yup....Any stalling on Marvel's part is not going to help the book, at all.

Dana

[SmurfInABlender]

reber this is where you say "Blast on this Comic" and keep our hopes for an ongoing alive

[Flightpath07]

Well, unless John Barber was lying outright...


I think it’s very likely we’ll be seeing more of Omega Flight. Can’t talk about specifics at the moment—but I have a nice, warm feeling that this won’t be the last we see of that team.

And this was not in reference to the Weapon Omega MCP serial either, he talks about that as a seperate venture.

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewBarberFridays.html

So, unless TPTB @ Marvel blindside us again, I'm thinking there's something coming.

Rumour has it that Captain America comes back from the dead (the one who was killed was actually a Skrull), but without his memory, he gets into trouble with SHIELD and Stark, he is on the run, he jumps the border into Canada, and then Cap wipes out Omega Flight with one hurl of his very own shield, killing them all instantly. He then gets his memory back, feels terrible, and :shock: becomes the new Vindicator.

Maybe that is what John Braber was talking about?

If I seem a bit tongue-in-cheek, perhaps it is because I really have no faith in Marvel. None at all.

Anybody looking forward to Mice Templar? At least Oeming's skills won't be going totally to waste... :roll:

[Reber]

reber this is where you say "Blast on this Comic" and keep our hopes for an ongoing alive

There is still hope. I just don't think anything is going to happen as fast as you guys hope. I do know there are things in the works though. For the most part I'm on the outside looking in as well.

[Flightpath07]

reber this is where you say "Blast on this Comic" and keep our hopes for an ongoing alive

There is still hope. I just don't think anything is going to happen as fast as you guys hope. I do know there are things in the works though. For the most part I'm on the outside looking in as well.

Ouch.
Thanks for the honesty, Reber, even though it hurts.
We all really wanted this to go to an ongoing, immediately if not sooner, with the same great team that did such a fine job on the mini.
And, frankly, I am perplexed (and getting a little jaded) as to just why that is not happening. It does not seem to make much sense. Not much business sense. Not much public-relations sense.
But we appreciate you, the hard work you put into what we have enjoyed, and the way you keep us informed and make us feel a part of what is going on. I just wish Marvel would do it, and not leave it to you and Kolins and Oeming. That just doesn't seem right.
In the meantime, keep us informed on what you are up to, okay?
Cheers!

[varo]

well, at least there is something in the works and marvel isn't just washing their hands of it.

[Flightpath07]

well, at least there is something in the works and marvel isn't just washing their hands of it.

This is just my impression, but my impression of this situation is more along the lines of some people (at Marvel?) are putting forward ideas and fighting to keep this new (?) team on the front burners. But, so far, other than Marvel Comics Presents, first 12 issues featuring "Guardian" , nothing is for sure right now.
The ideas and suggestions are there, but no series has happened. Could be that the head big wigs at Marvel still do not want to publish a Canadian team comic book, it holds no interest for them. That is what it seems like to me, anyways...
As always, we will see.

[varo]

i can not imagine a series selling 50k a month being pushed aside.

[Mokole]

I agree with both of you, they'd be idiots of the highest magnitude in literature if they ignore Flight fans again, I mean 55000+ an issue and they screw around?

Also, I have no doubt that, as it has been for years, people (artists and writers) are coming forward with various proposals to write Omega Flight, even Alpha Flight. Nobody is saying anything but besides Scott and Mike you know, know, there are at least 5-15 writers putting in proposals, just like there was in Fall 2005.

55000+ far exceeded what is necessary for an ongoing. 55000+ goes far beyond what an exec would expect an ongoing to get in this market for a single issue (except for the buying of issues by speculators and fanboys/fangirls who 'need' every appearance of Wolverine). Lets see where their brains are.

[Corvus]

I can still see a new ongoing OF not coming out until late this year, early next year, even if it is already planned for. They'd need to have a creative team contracted to do it, which they may not, and they may be hoping that pent up OF demand will be channeled into MCP during a gap between the end of the OF mini and the start of on an ongoing.

[Guardian]

This issue looks fantastic.

I hope this gets the nod to be an ongoin' soon. With Oeming/Kolins/and Reber. :)

[varo]

now with words.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11463

[-K-M-]

Talisman doesn't have the blessings she once had? What the hell?

[Mokole]

I think by 'blessings' they mean her powers have evolved and her emotional state affects what exactly she can do. She's too broken up to reach into his mind and chat.

Once again this looks great! See how it turns out in our hands!

[-K-M-]

...or their depowering her

[Legerd]

Geez, I hope Oeming doesn't reduce her power levels. I'm so sick of AF characters being reduced in power whenever they become more powerful than an Avengers or X-men character.

[DelBubs]

That's an interesting preview. The words help my understanding of the story a little more. Is there a little mesage in there ? All this talk about a posessed Sasquatch and what would happen if he killed a team mate. Kinda like a post man getting possessed and killing a team. Would Sasqautch be as responsible for any killing as Talisman holds Pointer to be ?

[Phil]

I gave in and read the advanced copy on Saturday.....

[Ahab]

Initial thoughts? (without spoilers of course...)

[Le Messor]

giving us less than what we really want with each sub-standard Volume... And we keep opening our wallets.
Why..Oh why do we keep doing it?
Dana :x

In my case:
v1: because, no matter how bad it got, it was still Alpha Flight. It still had 'it', the elements I looked for ('cept Byrne's great writing and art. :()

v2: because it ended. My wallet was about to close, but I figured 'okay, if it's just four more issues'.

v3: because, bad as it was, I actually enjoyed the thing. :shock:

Omega: because it was good.

- Le Messor
"Every exit is an entry somewhere else."
- Tom Stoppard

[cmdrkoenig67]

giving us less than what we really want with each sub-standard Volume... And we keep opening our wallets.
Why..Oh why do we keep doing it?
Dana :x

In my case:
v1: because, no matter how bad it got, it was still Alpha Flight. It still had 'it', the elements I looked for ('cept Byrne's great writing and art. :()

v2: because it ended. My wallet was about to close, but I figured 'okay, if it's just four more issues'.

I was actually happy near the end of Vol. 2, because Seagle brought the original team back...I was hoping it wouldn't be cancelled, after all. Imagine my disappointment, when I heard that Seagle planned on bringing them back all along and he had to rush them in due to the impending cancellation...Ugh! I disliked most of the newbies on the vol. 2 team and longed to see the originals shine again. That was not to be, unfortunately.


v3: because, bad as it was, I actually enjoyed the thing. :shock:

I thought it was terrible and I was glad to see it go. I hated the unfunny jokes, hated most of the new characters, the confusion created around Nemesis and I felt like I was "given the bird" twice when the originals were sent into space, then when the temporal copies were dumped into the present mainstream. Most of Vol. 3 was hurtful toward me as a AF fan (IMHO).


Omega: because it was good.

- Le Messor
"Every exit is an entry somewhere else."
- Tom Stoppard

I gave it a chance and for the most part it was good, but there were/are a lot of things that were/are keeping me from fully enjoying Omega Flight...The premise and name of the series, being told this was "Alpha Flight's last chance", minimal Canadian presence on a Canada-based super team that is meant to be the sucessor of the great Alpha Flight, U.S.Agent, Beta Ray Bill, An American wearing the Canadian flag and Sasquatch getting the dirty end of the stick through most of the mini are a few of those things.

I have no intention of picking up the MCP stories featuring Weapon Omega/"Guardian"...I violently dislike the character.

I had hoped he would die at the end of this mini too.

Dana

[Le Messor]

I was actually happy near the end of Vol. 2, because Seagle brought the original team back...I was hoping it wouldn't be cancelled, after all. Imagine my disappointment, when I heard that Seagle planned on bringing them back all along

Seagle kept telling us over and over again all the wonderful plans he had for the volume. It's why I kept reading as long as I did.
In the end, I just stopped believing him.


v3: I thought it was terrible and I was glad to see it go.

I was glad to see it go because I didn't hate it enough to stop buying it on my own. :?


Omega: because it was good.

- Le Messor
"Every exit is an entry somewhere else."
- Tom Stoppard


I gave it a chance and for the most part it was good, but there were/are a lot of things that were/are keeping me from fully enjoying Omega Flight...

I agree with a lot of the rest of what you said, but I still enjoyed the series. I'm wondering if I enjoy it, though, as Alpha? Hmm... Maybe if it were ongoing, I'd do with it what I'm about to do with the new New Warriors title: give it its own section away from the original.

- Le Messee
"Every man has his price. Every price has its man."

[XXL]

I finished reading the last issue of Omega flight some days ago....I'm disapointed.

SPOILERS AHEAD

The wreckring Crew don't make great opponents, it's just primate crashing all over, during 5 issues... and the torture scenes, I could do whithout (what is the point of it? We already know the wrecking crew are brutal).

What I found really annoying was:
- the behavior of Talisman toward Michael. It doesn't make any sense: 1 hour ago, she doesnt' want to see him or be near him, and then, when he comes back, she calls him Michael, is cheerful and want him to defend himself against one of his friend, even if he hurts him!?

- the whole thing around Michael: It isn't clear what happened with this collective thing (not everybody reads Wolverine or any other X-book where it appeared) and the first meeting and after that, Michael's evasion don't make sense at all. The guy is supposed to be good, to want ot make amends for what he did and of course, the best way to convince Talisman of that is to put him in an Hannibal Lector chair!!! Whats is the point of puting him in it? And the evasion: a 10 year old child can go in a secret army prison, open a prison door, free a prisonner and then they can steal a very powerful weapon (the guardian suit) just like that?!

- what did the Beta Ray Bill aliens were doing in the great beast dimension?! Why did the great beasts gave power to the Wreckring crew?

- why is Beat Ray Bill talking like Thor? What's this thing with the Shaman pouch?! As if what the shamna pouch is doing wasn't already enough confusing...

Issue 5 was the less satisfying of the serie because I kept thinking that there would be some character developments or explanations before the end of the series but it didn't happened. 5 issues for this was very long. It could have been 3 issue shorter easily...
But the whole thing was a nice and courageous attempt... (not at all like Vol. 3 which was a total disaster)

[Flightpath07]

XXL - Your points are all valid. I agree with everything you have said. I plan to break down the (mini) series on my blogsite soon, whenever I find the time to do the subject justice. The more I think about it, the less I like the series. I admire the boys for trying. I like some of what they did. I think most of the blame falls on Marvel. But this does not stack up to a true Alpha Flight comic. Too many plot holes, too much confusion, too much wrapping up of stuff without explaining it or having it make any sense. Again, probably Marvel's fault more than Oeming's or Kolins' or Reber's. Kudos to the boys for wanting to put out a good effort. "Boo"s to Marvel for handcuffing them, and slapping Flight fans in the face yet again.

I am still hoping for a meaningless, gruesome, and horrific death for "pansy-super-dufus" Michael Pointer, and a return of the heroic true Alpha Flight, the heroes that Canada deserves.

Until then, make mine Image Comics (Dynamo 5 rocks!)!!!