Marvel Comics Presents

[-K-M-]

Preview and details for MCP #1

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11689

[mos_def]

sweet!!!

[varo]

the art looks sweet. interesting quote:


“'Marvel Comics Presents' is going to be the premiere place for new stories starring fan-favorite characters that haven't got their own series at the moment, and for off-beat, unusual stories about characters that do,”

AT THE MOMENT

[DelBubs]

I think there are going to be more OF related stories in the vein of the Pointer story, but an ongoing OF series ... still not convinced we're gonna see that for a long while :(

The Pointer story looks like it is gonna be fun, quite looking forward to it.

[Dfense75]

Looks and sounds pretty cool! I wish they would put him on the cover for a little promo.

[Barnacle13]

The villain looks somewhat Wyre-esque, what with the tendrils and all. Could he be making a comeback?

[mreeez]

The villain looks somewhat Wyre-esque, what with the tendrils and all. Could he be making a comeback?

He remined more of Cloak actually.

Oh, yeah, and Guardian should be on the cover.

[DelBubs]

From the looks of it he would seem to be some kind of Dark Force manipulator, but not anyone I recognise.

[Legerd]

Well, I won't be picking this up if the preview is anything to go by. Not only is Weapon Omega not good enough to be on the cover (not even the back), he gets taken down despite being a hugely powered mutant in the Guardian suit. Yet USAgent, a non-powered hero, takes the fight to the bad guy while dragging Pointer along like a bad date. It seems Marvel is doing the "same old, same old" by the Flight.

[Mokole]

I agree, it looks like USagent is carrying the fight to whoever and Weapon Omega has already been beaten. Art is fine but the two images aren't appealing.

[Barnacle13]

Is it just me, or the new Guardian a really bad aim? You'd think most folks could look down their arm and line it up with an intended target. Maybe the glowy yellow force field makes it hard to concentrate, or perhaps he has more tears welling up. Either way he's a horrible marksman. Are they trying to show he's inexperienced with the suit or horribly deformed and unable to point his arm in a straight line?

[Beta_Ray_Bill]

The art is sweet. Andrea DeVito did some stories with Oeming, and I thought her stuff was very crisp, and very clean.

[Legerd]

Is it just me, or the new Guardian a really bad aim? You'd think most folks could look down their arm and line it up with an intended target. Maybe the glowy yellow force field makes it hard to concentrate, or perhaps he has more tears welling up. Either way he's a horrible marksman. Are they trying to show he's inexperienced with the suit or horribly deformed and unable to point his arm in a straight line?

I think it's a case of Pointer not wanting to risk killing someone, so he's giving the bad guy a "shot across the bow".

[Dfense75]

I believe it was said The new Guardian would be taking the term "reluctant hero" to a new level. I think the preview even minus the words show this.

[Canucklehead]

Like in OF, he says he doesn't have a handle on his powers yet. While USAgent is a vet. It's a 12 issue story. Of course he's going to get his ass kicked at the beginning. By the end he will be more confident and have better use of what he can do. That's what's fun about this guy. He's new and he can progress. 8)

[cmdrkoenig67]

Even more reasons for me to not pick MCP Weapon Omega story up...U.ASS. Agent (hate him) and seeing Agent having to save Pointer's life...Just...Ugh. Are any of you seeing the slightest bit of symbolism here? Anyone?

I'm glad some of you are excited about it, but I'm not interested.

Dana

[Dfense75]

Like in OF, he says he doesn't have a handle on his powers yet. While USAgent is a vet. It's a 12 issue story. Of course he's going to get his ass kicked at the beginning. By the end he will be more confident and have better use of what he can do. That's what's fun about this guy. He's new and he can progress. 8)

Exactly...Its the journey not the destination.

[Legerd]

Like in OF, he says he doesn't have a handle on his powers yet. While USAgent is a vet. It's a 12 issue story. Of course he's going to get his ass kicked at the beginning. By the end he will be more confident and have better use of what he can do. That's what's fun about this guy. He's new and he can progress. 8)

But that's how they've been writing Alpha Flight since they were introduced. I want to see a team of competent heroes wearing the maple leaf for a change!

[Canucklehead]

But that's how they've been writing Alpha Flight since they were introduced. I want to see a team of competent heroes wearing the maple leaf for a change!

Actually, AF has been just the opposite. When they first started, they could take on anybody. Since then, there has been regression. Anyone too powerful got either depowered, killed or brainwashed. At least I can enjoy this guy getting better(and hopefully a Canadian Citizenship). 8)

[SephirothsKiller]

I'll buy it just to be a completist.

By the looks of it Guardian should open up this story with: I'm the worst at what I do.

Edited due to illegible writing.

[Legerd]

But that's how they've been writing Alpha Flight since they were introduced. I want to see a team of competent heroes wearing the maple leaf for a change!

Actually, AF has been just the opposite. When they first started, they could take on anybody. Since then, there has been regression. Anyone too powerful got either depowered, killed or brainwashed. At least I can enjoy this guy getting better(and hopefully a Canadian Citizenship). 8)

Not really, remember in their original fight with the X-men, Storm had to save the city from Shaman's blizzard, she also took out Snowbird with her cape. After Storm had stopped the blizzard, Northstar clocks her and Cyclops berates him calling him a coward. Even before that, when Mac went as Weapon Alpha to capture Wolverine, he almost killed a civilian by accident.

I have nothing against developing the characters, in fact I love watching them grow over time, but AF has never grown. The few times it has happened gets ignored by later writers who return them to their earlier inexperienced incarnations. I want to see characters who aren't instantly incompetent when they join the team. (And are Canadian) :wink:

[DaVeO]

Ok, cover aside the art and stories look/sound pretty good. But is that not the ugliest Ka-Zar you've ever seen? And when did Hellcat get a boob job? *sigh* J. Scott Campbell what are you doing?

[jay042]

I've been wanting to see another MCP book for ages. They always did have some great stories in there.

What I'm really hoping with those longer running stories like Weapon Alpha will get traded once they are done. It's a crime that the original Barry Widsor Smith Weapon X series hasn't been put in a trade format in recent memory.

[varo]

not sure why guardian is not on the cover. anyone know the official release date?

[rtiangha]

How much do you want to bet that the reason why Guardian isn't on that cover is because he was an afterthought and when they finally decided to throw a bone to those wanting a Flight ongoing a measly 8 pages in an old title that they're trying to resurrect (MCP), they decided to put Guardian in since they couldn't figure out what else to do to appease people without giving them an ongoing. By the time that all happened, the cover art had already been submitted so all Guardian gets is a little box in the corner with his picture in it ripped from one of the OF issues as seen on the very last page of OF#5.

I'll have to admit that I'm torn. On one hand, I want to support anything related to Flight. On the other, I really want(ed) to read Oeming et al's story and see how Guardian (and the rest of the Flight) grows as characters and I know that anything else that's going to be done new is going to be nothing but a cheap imitation of what could have been.

I honestly don't know how I feel about all this. I remember the last time Marvel $%#'ed me off (re: Spidey clone), I turned to Image and Top Cow for a while (and stuck with them for a couple of years as they had some really interesting stuff that, most importantly, respected continuity). Then I stopped collecting comics books for years and it was Omega Flight that brought me back.

Will supporting MCP really result in a Flight ongoing, or will it all be just a waste of time? Since MCP is an anthology of sorts, how are they even going to know what the breakdown of Flight fans are from the total number of sales? There are other things I'd rather purchase out there, so I really don't want to support a lost cause.

Aargh.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Will supporting MCP really result in a Flight ongoing, or will it all be just a waste of time? Since MCP is an anthology of sorts, how are they even going to know what the breakdown of Flight fans are from the total number of sales? There are other things I'd rather purchase out there, so I really don't want to support a lost cause.

Aargh.

Buying MCP for Weapon Omega will not result in an ongoing Omega book...Period. You are correct, Marvel will have no way of knowing if OF fans are buying the series.

Dana

[Legerd]

I'm refusing to buy for the simple reason that Marvel thinks I will buy it because the Guardian suit is in it. Nope, not going to let them hook me anymore with little tidbits. Either it's an ongoing series or nothing.

[Barnacle13]

I'm refusing to buy for the simple reason that Marvel thinks I will buy it because the Guardian suit is in it. Nope, not going to let them hook me anymore with little tidbits. Either it's an ongoing series or nothing.

Unfortunately I don't think they'll hear our dollars say "We don't want this! We want an ongoing!" They'll bend it exactly the way they want it to appear. "See we told you nobody likes an Alpha Flight story! We gave you the Guardian (AF's head guy) and nobody is buying it. Omega Flight sells were obviously inflated by fanboys buying up multiple copies."

I think I'm taking a hiatus from comics for awhile. I'll check in here regularly, so that if Alpha Flight is ever revived I can jump back in, but I've had enough of the empty promises.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I'm refusing to buy for the simple reason that Marvel thinks I will buy it because the Guardian suit is in it. Nope, not going to let them hook me anymore with little tidbits. Either it's an ongoing series or nothing.

Unfortunately I don't think they'll hear our dollars say "We don't want this! We want an ongoing!" They'll bend it exactly the way they want it to appear. "See we told you nobody likes an Alpha Flight story! We gave you the Guardian (AF's head guy) and nobody is buying it. Omega Flight sells were obviously inflated by fanboys buying up multiple copies."

Again...Say it with me..."Buying MCP for Weapon Omega will not result in an ongoing Omega book (nor will not buying it, ensure that there won't be an ongoing)...Marvel will have no way of knowing if AF/OF fans are buying the series."

The only reason they are putting "Weapon Omega" in a MCP story is so they can continue making cash off of AF fans, without really giving us what we want. I'm passing on it.


I think I'm taking a hiatus from comics for awhile. I'll check in here regularly, so that if Alpha Flight is ever revived I can jump back in, but I've had enough of the empty promises.

I'll be picking up the Marvel Handbooks as usual and the Star Lord mini (only for Bug's appearance), but that's it (oh...And maybe if Northstar and Aurora start showing up significantly in an X-book)...I don't have any interest in anything else they're offering.

...And from DC...The Brave and the Bold in November: The Doom Patrol and the Flash. YAY for the DP...I love them!

Dana

[Barnacle13]

I'm looking at maybe a new vice like cigars, booze, and hookers! I doubt my wife will support that in the same way she has comic books. So maybe I should rethink! :lol:

[Legerd]

I'm refusing to buy for the simple reason that Marvel thinks I will buy it because the Guardian suit is in it. Nope, not going to let them hook me anymore with little tidbits. Either it's an ongoing series or nothing.

Unfortunately I don't think they'll hear our dollars say "We don't want this! We want an ongoing!" They'll bend it exactly the way they want it to appear. "See we told you nobody likes an Alpha Flight story! We gave you the Guardian (AF's head guy) and nobody is buying it. Omega Flight sells were obviously inflated by fanboys buying up multiple copies."

That's why I posted on the Marvel boards saying that I wasn't going to buy anymore of their comics until an AF/OF ongoing happens. We may not be a huge community compared to other fan bases, but if we all posted/emailed/mailed in that message Marvel might rethink trying to take advantage of us.

EDIT TO ADD: I've started on two new DC titles (and I'm no fan of DC) to sate my comic hunger, so I'll not give in and buy any Marvel comics.

[varo]

so funny that you mention that, i just started picking up some independents, some image and dc and really am enjoying most of it.


weaning off marvel may not be that hard after all.

[mreeez]

I am weak, I added MCP to my pull list and I was even heckled by someone at the comic shop.

I did pick up some non-Marvel today though, Mice Templar and Booster Gold so I am slowly (very slowly) going away from Marvel.

[SephirothsKiller]

I can't stop buying Marvel. Despite my lack of enthuse for so many of their titles there's a bunch of others I love. They are:

X-Factor/NewXMen/StarLord/Nova/NewWarriors/CaptainAmerica.

[DaVeO]

Well, I get very little Marvel. Thunderbolts, New Excalibur, Exiles (dropping at #99) I'm definitly keeping 'Bolts, but if I don't like the new writer for Excalibur then that goes too.

LOTS of other good stuff out there. I admit I'm more of a DC fan. Currently I get Checkmate, Brave and the Bold, Catwoman, Manhunter and will be getting Suicide Squad and Uncle Sam and the Freedom Fighters. Also a mess of trades from DC and Veritgo.
Some indie trades too like Conan, Red Sonja, Bone, HACK/SLASH.

Won't be very hard for me to ween off The House of (bad) Ideas.

[rplass]

I'm definitely going to get the MCP series. It sounds really good and it has so much stuff in it. It will be my regular monthly until Alpha Flight gets its own series.

Love,
rplass

[-K-M-]

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #5
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM, CHRISTOS GAGE, MERRILL HAGAN
& RICH KOSLOWSKI
Penciled by DAVE WILKINS, JOYCE CHIN, STAZ JOHNSON
& ANDREA DIVITO
Cover by GREG LAND

Take a trip to the SAVAGE LAND as Ka-Zar, Shanna, and Zabu defend their home against dinosaurs, mutates, mercenaries, and corporate goons in flying boats! This all-new serial begins right here! Plus: last time we saw the WRECKING CREW, they were being thrown in prison by OMEGA FLIGHT. Find out how the boys are adjusting to life behind bars... All that, PLUS the continuing adventures of Guardian in WEAPON OMEGA, and the murder of a man with no identity leads Stacy Dolan into the world of masked men and power-hungry monsters in VANGUARD!

40 PGS./Rated A …$3.99

[firestar]

I know, it's not exactly on topic, but...
I just pick it up today, because, well, in the last 2 months I had a lot of personal problems, and I didn't red it, i just give a look, and i was wondering..did someone notice thet agent brown looks totally different from the one in OMEGA FLIGHT? it's not only the different style in his clothes, but he looks older, too, and he is physically very different from the one we met on OF.... he looks more like Walt than Brown. Am I right or Am I just having a sort of dream?

[rplass]

I know, it's not exactly on topic, but...
I just pick it up today, because, well, in the last 2 months I had a lot of personal problems, and I didn't red it, i just give a look, and i was wondering..did someone notice thet agent brown looks totally different from the one in OMEGA FLIGHT? it's not only the different style in his clothes, but he looks older, too, and he is physically very different from the one we met on OF.... he looks more like Walt than Brown. Am I right or Am I just having a sort of dream?

Yeah, you weren't the only one who thunk it.

Unless "Agent Brown" is just a C.S.I.S. generic name for an agent and there are many Agent Browns, several at once, or maybe people take turns being Agent Brown and that is Walter going by the name of Agent Brown for a while...dunno. The bowtie confused me.

Love,
rplass

[-K-M-]

MCP #3 is out and we see some familar faces.....

SPOILER:









Agent Brown [Who looks completly different], US Agent, Arcahne aaaaaaand....SASQUATCH :) and he doesn't get beat up, he gives the beatings











END SPOILER

[Bill P]

Should that have been posted with a spoiler alert?

[-K-M-]

Your right, I corrected it now

[Canucklehead]

I wonder if this book will last until issue 12, to finish the story.

[varo]

sales are not so good.

[-K-M-]

I would be shocked if they stopped it before 12, as basically every Marvel title that has been cancelled latelty was allowed to go to issue 12 so it can be in a digest trade.

[cmdrkoenig67]

sales are not so good.

:shock: I'm shocked....Not really.

Dana

[varo]

btw, the art is really bad.

[DelBubs]

**SPOILERS AHEAD***















What's that song Olivia Newton John sang ' Let's Get Negative'?

I've only read the first two parts of the Weapon Omega story (courtesy of King Mungi), but I somehow get the impression that people are letting the subject matter and characters in the MCP story cloud their judgement. How else can you explain someone saying they are not surprised something has low sales without actually having seen the product. It would be interesting to see their reasoning in making such a statement. Lot's of people seem to have an opinion on this matter, but not many seem to have actually read the subject matter.

In my opnion it's a pretty good story. Nicely constructed and paced. Non of this 6 page crap with minimum dialogue. Lot's of stuff going on and the story actually makes me want to go back and find out what's gonna happen next. Some one mentioned that the art was bad, but to my mind art is subjective. One mans Picasso is another mans Damien Hirst, I'm not overly fond of the art, but it's better than anything I could do so who am I to criticise. The writing and characterisation is where this story is strong.

Tentakill - The villian in this would seem to be just there to highlight the problems Pointer is having. Looking like the Bastard Offspring of Nekra and Diablo he definately looks like he might give Caliber a run for his money, but would prolly get battered by Frogman.

Strange Lady - Appears at the beginning of the story. I get the impression that we are seeing a bit of a throwback to Clarkes Department H. The impression I get is that Dept H is being run or manipulated by some very shady characters. At the end of part 1 it would seem that the lady is possessed by someone/thing and from the look of her face, it's either Jodie Kidd or Pestilence. Then I thought, maybe she's a mutant or latent mutant and she's being used to power Pointer, like a sentient battery that is being slowly drained.

Agent Brown - Obviously not the decent kinda fella we saw in the pages of Omega Flight. I get the impression that he is devious little snot, if he's willing to hold people captive and decieve Pointer the way he is then he's not all he was cooked up to be in OF.

US Agent - I kinda think that he knows that Brown ain't all he's made up to be and just maybe Stark realised that when he put Walker into OF. Pushing Walker and Pointer up against Tentakill was more than just a way to test Pointer, maybe Brown wants Walker out the way and the Tentakill episode was an attempt to get rid. Pointers powers did go down at a very opportune moment and Brown could have a way of controlling that and that's why he manipulates Pointer into believing that's why he has to keep the suit on?

Pointer - Could have been a lesser character under a doifferent writer, but this man is a mass of Neurosis. He likes the Power, he hates the Power, he see's the Power in him as almost a sentient entity acting as a parasite in his body. He questions why it leaves him at all the wrong times almost as if he is dependent on it. Then he despises it because of what it made him do. He even killed his own family under it's influence. The psychiatrist he is seeing describes the suit as some kind of security blanket, Agent Brown would seem to be reinforcing this. At the end of part 2 Pointer says that the Power makes him feel good som times, that doesn't bode well.

As a side note, Pointer when talking about the Power says "That he knows that it was responsible for what happened to his family and how it made him kill all those people. Alpha Flight is not included in that, but he describes that incident as 'What He Did To Alpha Flight'. Almost as though their fate was seperate to the mass killing he participated in, although unwillingly.

Pointer has so many different problems, but to portray that in a story takes good writing, Koslowski to my mind does it well. This story has 80 pages to go and I'm gonna be reading it to it's conclusion. I think it should be judged on it's merits and not it's percieved concepts, anyone who judges otherwise is losing out on a good story. Just my opinion.

[Garry/Al-Fan]

Read MCP# 3. Wish tptb would settle on whether the code-name is "Weapon Omega" or "Guardian." Really wish Agent Brown looked like Agent Brown from the OMEGA FLIGHT mini-series. And I really, really wish we saw Sasquatch and Arachne taking down a boat-load of badguys!

Geez, I want Northstar and Aurora to return just like all the rest of the Alpha Flight characters that we aren't sure got bumped off, but having just read that Mike Carey is leaving the X-Men coupled with a not-so-spectacular guest-appearance in MCP# 3 suggests that the Alpha/Omega Flight characters aren't going to be used well when they appear.

I hope I'm wrong about that, since Marvel still has capable talent [I picked up New Warriors for the Zodiac and the artist is great!], but the people who seem to have a good understanding of Alpha Flight (and who actually seem to like the characters) keep leaving! :(

I hope MARVEL focuses on Pointer for the remainder of the series and leave Sasquatch and the other members of Alpha Flight out of it so Rich can do what he intends to do with the featured character he has inherited. I'm in for one more issue (to see the conclusion of the Hellcat story), but nothing else (not even VANGUARD, which is distinctly stylish in its storytelling) will make me stay once Ka-Zar shows up.

[cmdrkoenig67]

**SPOILERS AHEAD***















What's that song Olivia Newton John sang ' Let's Get Negative'?

I don't believe she sang any such song...And you're being awfully thin-skinned, Del.


I've only read the first two parts of the Weapon Omega story (courtesy of King Mungi), but I somehow get the impression that people are letting the subject matter and characters in the MCP story cloud their judgement. How else can you explain someone saying they are not surprised something has low sales without actually having seen the product. It would be interesting to see their reasoning in making such a statement. Lot's of people seem to have an opinion on this matter, but not many seem to have actually read the subject matter.

Realizing the current market can't support such a "product" has nothing to do with reading/seeing it.


In my opnion it's a pretty good story. Nicely constructed and paced. Non of this 6 page crap with minimum dialogue. Lot's of stuff going on and the story actually makes me want to go back and find out what's gonna happen next. Some one mentioned that the art was bad, but to my mind art is subjective. One mans Picasso is another mans Damien Hirst, I'm not overly fond of the art, but it's better than anything I could do so who am I to criticise. The writing and characterisation is where this story is strong.

Tentakill - The villian in this would seem to be just there to highlight the problems Pointer is having. Looking like the Bastard Offspring of Nekra and Diablo he definately looks like he might give Caliber a run for his money, but would prolly get battered by Frogman.

Strange Lady - Appears at the beginning of the story. I get the impression that we are seeing a bit of a throwback to Clarkes Department H. The impression I get is that Dept H is being run or manipulated by some very shady characters. At the end of part 1 it would seem that the lady is possessed by someone/thing and from the look of her face, it's either Jodie Kidd or Pestilence. Then I thought, maybe she's a mutant or latent mutant and she's being used to power Pointer, like a sentient battery that is being slowly drained.

Agent Brown - Obviously not the decent kinda fella we saw in the pages of Omega Flight. I get the impression that he is devious little snot, if he's willing to hold people captive and decieve Pointer the way he is then he's not all he was cooked up to be in OF.

US Agent - I kinda think that he knows that Brown ain't all he's made up to be and just maybe Stark realised that when he put Walker into OF. Pushing Walker and Pointer up against Tentakill was more than just a way to test Pointer, maybe Brown wants Walker out the way and the Tentakill episode was an attempt to get rid. Pointers powers did go down at a very opportune moment and Brown could have a way of controlling that and that's why he manipulates Pointer into believing that's why he has to keep the suit on?

Pointer - Could have been a lesser character under a doifferent writer, but this man is a mass of Neurosis. He likes the Power, he hates the Power, he see's the Power in him as almost a sentient entity acting as a parasite in his body. He questions why it leaves him at all the wrong times almost as if he is dependent on it. Then he despises it because of what it made him do. He even killed his own family under it's influence. The psychiatrist he is seeing describes the suit as some kind of security blanket, Agent Brown would seem to be reinforcing this. At the end of part 2 Pointer says that the Power makes him feel good som times, that doesn't bode well.

As a side note, Pointer when talking about the Power says "That he knows that it was responsible for what happened to his family and how it made him kill all those people. Alpha Flight is not included in that, but he describes that incident as 'What He Did To Alpha Flight'. Almost as though their fate was seperate to the mass killing he participated in, although unwillingly.

Pointer has so many different problems, but to portray that in a story takes good writing, Koslowski to my mind does it well. This story has 80 pages to go and I'm gonna be reading it to it's conclusion. I think it should be judged on it's merits and not it's percieved concepts, anyone who judges otherwise is losing out on a good story. Just my opinion.

It still sounds like a bad story about a terrible character and your description of it does nothing to make it sound any more appealing, Del...Just my opinion.

Dana

[rplass]

Well, I like MCP. I knew I would from the beginning and I haven't been disappointed. I'm going to get all 12 issues, no doubt.

Love,
rplass

[Mokole]

MCP is what MCP is, a collection of stories to see if new writers can write. The art is fine though Agent Brown should look more like he was created. The story is an extension, so far, of what OF left us with so I guess that's not bad. Nice to hear Sasquatch is back to being a hero and beating up the bad guys. :wink:

If a new Flight series is in the offing someday soon (Brevoort and Quesada have been awfully quiet for weeks and weeks...) then I doubt that we'd want to see a longer hiatus for the team.

[DelBubs]

**SPOILERS AHEAD***

What's that song Olivia Newton John sang ' Let's Get Negative'?

I don't believe she sang any such song...And you're being awfully thin-skinned, Del.

I think the song was actually 'Let's Get Physical'. I was just playing with words, humour eh? You either get it or you don't. As for being thin skinned, I ain't actually all bent out of shape about the negativity, just thought it a bit strange considering how many people have not bothered to read MCP. Still if you perceiving me as thin skinned gets you through the day, who am I to quibble?


Much Snippage... I think it should be judged on it's merits and not it's percieved concepts, anyone who judges otherwise is losing out on a good story. Just my opinion.


It still sounds like a bad story about a terrible character and your description of it does nothing to make it sound any more appealing, Del...Just my opinion.

Dana
We're all entitled to an opinion, you think it's a bad story, I think it's a good story. Such is the way of the world.

[SmurfInABlender]

I bought and read the first issue, and though the Omega story wasn't HORRIBLE and was decent, It wasn't enough to constitute buying an entire comic for a few pages because honestly, the rest of the stories were not good at all, so It isn't all Omega Flight, because that story was decent, but everything else being crap made the book as a whole not worth my money

[cmdrkoenig67]

**SPOILERS AHEAD***

What's that song Olivia Newton John sang ' Let's Get Negative'?

I don't believe she sang any such song...And you're being awfully thin-skinned, Del.

I think the song was actually 'Let's Get Physical'. I was just playing with words, humour eh? You either get it or you don't.

Sarcasm is lost again on the internet (perhaps I should have used a :P or a :roll: after what I wrote about the song)...


[As for being thin skinned, I ain't actually all bent out of shape about the negativity, just thought it a bit strange considering how many people have not bothered to read MCP. Still if you perceiving me as thin skinned gets you through the day, who am I to quibble?

It was the ' Let's Get Negative' and the fact that you felt the need to defend the story so vehemently (by writing the whole dang thing out) that made me think you were being thin-skinned...Silly me. :P


Much Snippage... I think it should be judged on it's merits and not it's percieved concepts, anyone who judges otherwise is losing out on a good story. Just my opinion.


It still sounds like a bad story about a terrible character and your description of it does nothing to make it sound any more appealing, Del...Just my opinion.

Dana
We're all entitled to an opinion, you think it's a bad story, I think it's a good story. Such is the way of the world.[/quote]

Okay then...Good story starring a terrible character...Is that better? :P

He was a no-name, throw-away character created by Bendis to host the Collective for his crappy story...Bendis didn't even have any interest in writing the character after it was done, why should he be even used again...let alone dressed up in the uniform of a man he killed, representing a country he isn't even a citizen of and not to mention...Being a frikken' vampire who sucks the life out of others? Ugh!

Dana

[DelBubs]

I thought I was writing a breakdown of the story as no one seemed to be reading it, didn't think for a minute that any one would misconstrue that as being defensive. As you say the problem with the internet is that what you mean isn't necessarily what is conveyed by what you write.

As for good story, bad character ? I still think it's a good story about a well rounded character, but again, different strokes for different folks.

As for part 3 of the story. Again a good read and a little more intrigue regarding what Brown is up to. I would do a breakdown, but wouldn't want to come across as defensive or anything , the last thing we want on the Alphawaves is talk about a story with an Alphan appearing in it, God forbid ! :wink: (look a smiley).

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #6
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM, CHRISTOS GAGE, ROBERT VENDITTI, RICH KOSLOWSKI
Penciled by DAVE WILKINS, JOYCE CHIN, JEREMY HAUN, ANDREA DIVITO
Cover by DAVE WILKINS
CAPTAIN AMERICA leaps into action in WWII—and the Sentinel of Liberty’s actions affect not just the fighting troops—but even a man judged unfit for combat! Plus—KA-ZAR and SHANNA bring together the tribes of the SAVAGE LAND to fight a common foe…but how long can they stay united? Meanwhile, Detective STACY DOLAN tracks down a wanted terrorist—one she thought she already put behind bars—and an unexpected guest star reveals his link to the mystery of the VANGUARD. And finally—Michael Pointer, the GUARDIAN, has been hearing things…things he does not want to hear…in WEAPON OMEGA.40 PGS./Rated A …$3.99

[cmdrkoenig67]

I thought I was writing a breakdown of the story as no one seemed to be reading it, didn't think for a minute that any one would misconstrue that as being defensive. As you say the problem with the internet is that what you mean isn't necessarily what is conveyed by what you write.

As for good story, bad character ? I still think it's a good story about a well rounded character, but again, different strokes for different folks.

As for part 3 of the story. Again a good read and a little more intrigue regarding what Brown is up to. I would do a breakdown, but wouldn't want to come across as defensive or anything , the last thing we want on the Alphawaves is talk about a story with an Alphan appearing in it, God forbid ! :wink: (look a smiley).

Huh?....Which Alphan are you referring to?

Dana

[DelBubs]

That would be that Sasquatch fella who first appeared in UXM #120. I would, at a push mind you, catergorise him as an Alphan. Then again who am I to say?

[cmdrkoenig67]

Ah...Sassy's guest appearance.

[DelBubs]

Yeah that's the one, cos it said on the front 'Guest Starring Sasquatch' didn't it ? :roll:

[Legerd]

Yeah that's the one, cos it said on the front 'Guest Starring Sasquatch' didn't it ? :roll:

So, how badly was Sasquatch beaten in this one? :wink:

[cmdrkoenig67]

Yeah that's the one, cos it said on the front 'Guest Starring Sasquatch' didn't it ? :roll:

Huh? :?

[Bill P]

THE STORY:
CAPTAIN AMERICA leaps into action in WWII—and the Sentinel of Liberty’s actions affect not just the fighting troops—but even a man judged unfit for combat! Plus—KA-ZAR and SHANNA bring together the tribes of the SAVAGE LAND to fight a common foe…but how long can they stay united? Meanwhile, Detective STACY DOLAN tracks down a wanted terrorist—one she thought she already put behind bars—and an unexpected guest star reveals his link to the mystery of the VANGUARD. And finally—Michael Pointer, the GUARDIAN, has been hearing things…things he does not want to hear…in WEAPON OMEGA.
Rated A …$3.99


PRICE: 3.99
IN STORES: February 13, 2008

[varo]

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS
09/07 Marvel Comics Presents #1 - 38,337
10/07 Marvel Comics Presents #2 - 26,573 (-30.7%)
That’s an atrocious second issue drop. The book seems to be guaranteed a year, but it’s going to have to turn things around very quickly to survive that. In fairness, anthologies have always been a tough sell, and this book was always going to face an uphill struggle. But it’s a disappointing number nonetheless.

[Corvus]

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS
09/07 Marvel Comics Presents #1 - 38,337
10/07 Marvel Comics Presents #2 - 26,573 (-30.7%)
That’s an atrocious second issue drop. The book seems to be guaranteed a year, but it’s going to have to turn things around very quickly to survive that. In fairness, anthologies have always been a tough sell, and this book was always going to face an uphill struggle. But it’s a disappointing number nonetheless.

Well, in Marvel logic, this probably means its guaranteed a five year run. ;)

[DelBubs]

Yeah that's the one, cos it said on the front 'Guest Starring Sasquatch' didn't it ? :roll:

So, how badly was Sasquatch beaten in this one? :wink:
He came out of it looking pretty good. He and Arachne took down 9 second league villians. More batteries for Pointer I guess ?

[-K-M-]

Bonk!

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/mcp3026kp8.jpg

[varo]

i really do not like that art.

[DelBubs]

I don't find the art much of a problem as such, but it don't set my world on fire. Background images don't have as much detail as they could have, but forground characters/images aren't that bad.

[Flightpath07]

The art?
Remember, this is an anthology. Space will always be an issue.

King Mungi - love the photo (and your tagline...classic! lol)! Thanks!

[-K-M-]

MCP #4 (Hightlight to read)


SPOILERS










Not much happens, other then we see Guardian absorb the powers of Raptore. Very slow issue. Kinda cool we see USAgent playing videogames with Arachne's daughter, but that was it.





END SPOILERS

[varo]

i think your selling the issue short king. there was a very well done back and forth between agent brown and tony stark.

the video game playing between usagent and arachnes daughter was very cool and it seems like they are finally starting to figure out Micheal's power.


pretty good.

[-K-M-]

It was alright, but it's going at a snail's pace and it's very hard to get into a story with only just a few pages.

[Le Messor]

From some other thread:


Does anybody have any ideas where the MCP storyline with Pointer is headed?

North by Northwest?


Anyhow, I just am not sure where it is going. Is he some sort of modern-day power vampire? Is his emotional state attached to his power-fluctuations? Is his suiit really there to help him control his powers, or does it have some other unknown functions? Is Pointer going to turn out, yet again, to be a villain??

My guess is, (and this is just my guess), Dept H is 'feeding' him powers, he's vamping them without knowing it, and they're trying to power up their man in the field.

I suspect we're regressing to v2 conspiracy threads. Which, honestly, I was sick of before v2 even came out (from other comics).

- Le Messor
"Honesty is such a lonely word."
- Billy Joel

[varo]

yeah, i meant to touch on that. it looks like conspiracy theories abound, which i'm not a huge fan of.

[Legerd]

If they are going the "evil Dept. H conspiracy" route with this story, then we'll never see a new series. The more Marvel writers turn Dept. H into Bad Guys Inc. the less appealing it gets for readers. At least that's my opinion about it. After all, no one wanted to read that in the past, why would they want to read it now? They had a chance to revitalize the Flight, but it seems everything is just "same old, same old". And the whole "power vampire" shtick just makes it all 100x worse.

You know I'm really tired of complaining about Marvel Comics. I wish TPTB there would get a new AF book going with the old characters. I don't care how their resurrection is explained, I just want them back! :evil:

[cmdrkoenig67]

If they are going the "evil Dept. H conspiracy" route with this story, then we'll never see a new series. The more Marvel writers turn Dept. H into Bad Guys Inc. the less appealing it gets for readers. At least that's my opinion about it. After all, no one wanted to read that in the past, why would they want to read it now? They had a chance to revitalize the Flight, but it seems everything is just "same old, same old". And the whole "power vampire" shtick just makes it all 100x worse.

Some hero, huh? As heroic as Sauron, maybe? :roll:


You know I'm really tired of complaining about Marvel Comics. I wish TPTB there would get a new AF book going with the old characters. I don't care how their resurrection is explained, I just want them back! :evil:

I agree with you 100 %.

Dana

[varo]

i agree. enough of the unsuccesful "i got a great spin on alpha flight" series.

just give us alpha flight, with the original team, and lets give it a shot.

[Flightpath07]

i agree. enough of the unsuccesful "i got a great spin on alpha flight" series.

just give us alpha flight, with the original team, and lets give it a shot.

I agree as well.

That being said, I did not mind AF Vol. II that much (admittiedly, i have not read the very beginning or the very end of it...).
I have no real problem with conspiracies of governments, or with Department H being secretive and suspicious, if not downright misguided.
Just...I'd like the next Alpha Flight series to have MORE than just that.

Maybe they will use this latest conspiracy to launch the new Alpha Flight, where Omega Flight does not work because of Dept H treachery, and so (at least some of) the original members show up to lead a new band of Canadian (yes, I did say Canadian) heroes as Alpha Flight, without government interference.

[Mokole]

I think the best way to go, right now, is Guardian's android form is able to resurrect his human parts, the magic resurrects Puck, and they are joined by Sasquatch, Arachne, and Talisman, if not the twins.

[-K-M-]

Earth X Guardian survived and all he had was a head and spine. So I can definetly see him again

Puck was said to be invulnerable and nearly indestructable so how he even got in this position in the first place is comical same with Guardian and his shileds.

[Flightpath07]

I think the best way to go, right now, is Guardian's android form is able to resurrect his human parts, the magic resurrects Puck, and they are joined by Sasquatch, Arachne, and Talisman, if not the twins.

Tell the truth, I'd vote for Madison Jeffries, Diamond Lil, and even Yukon Jack in that group.

[maniac mike]

Here's info for ish seven...

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #7
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM, CHRISTOS GAGE, AMANDA MCMURRAY AND RICH KOSLOWSKI
Penciled by DAVE WILKINS, JOYCE CHIN, ROY ALLEN MARTINEZ AND ANDREA DIVITO
Cover by JIM CHEUNG
What is VANGUARD—and why does Blade want to kill DETECTIVE STACY DOLAN? Meanwhile, NAMOR confronts the ghosts of his past—and vice versa! All that, plus the conclusion of the SAVAGE LAND epic, and U.S. Agent delves deeper into the secrets of WEAPON OMEGA.
40 PGS./Rated A …$3.99

[PWalk]

Puck was said to be invulnerable and nearly indestructable so how he even got in this position in the first place is comical same with Guardian and his shileds.

I've thought the same thing. My thought is that he must have had his brain screwed with somehow in that battle. Since it was off frame we'll never know.

[-K-M-]

I've thought the same thing. My thought is that he must have had his brain screwed with somehow in that battle. Since it was off frame we'll never know.

and Shaman has been shown to suck up a big part of Newfoundland and an atomic blast in seconds. As well as he has attacks, such as his handful of baubles which were used to defeat an Elder God. "Just for a single wretching moment the universe itself seems to blink out of existence, like a soap bubble suddenly impaled on a thorn."

[SmurfInABlender]

Puck was said to be invulnerable and nearly indestructable so how he even got in this position in the first place is comical same with Guardian and his shileds.

I've thought the same thing. My thought is that he must have had his brain screwed with somehow in that battle. Since it was off frame we'll never know.

I just think we need a one shot that has the battle, so we can stop trying to figure it out, and more then just the flashback of everyone being owned

[PWalk]

A one-shot would be a great idea. Nothing but pure fight scene with answers galore. Hell I'll write it if they need me to.

[HappyCanuck]

A one-shot would be a great idea. Nothing but pure fight scene with answers galore. Hell I'll write it if they need me to.

PWalk, I say you should write it regardless. Then we get someone to illustrate it (Heaven knows we got enough talent for that here), and submit it to Marvel ourselves through a sympathetic sourse (I know for a fact they don't accept art without story, and scripts with joint artwork gets farther than simply story alone).

[cmdrkoenig67]

I'd rather the Massacre of Alpha Flight was forgotten. Marvel should just resurrect the them...Maybe have Dept H (or Talisman) force Pointer revive them by reversing his life-sucking power...Actually, Talisman can raise the dead...It was stated so by Shaman in AF Vol 1, issue # 24 (when Northstar, Aurora and Liz are killed by Somon), perhaps she just doesn't know how to.

Dana

[HappyCanuck]

I'd rather the Massacre of Alpha Flight was forgotten. Marvel should just resurrect the them...Maybe have Dept H (or Talisman) force Pointer revive them by reversing his life-sucking power...Actually, Talisman can raise the dead...It was stated so by Shaman in AF Vol 1, issue # 24 (when Northstar, Aurora and Liz are killed by Somon), perhaps she just doesn't know how to.

Dana

The only problem with just "forgetting", Dana, is that it causes HUGE continuity errors... esp after all this time.

[varo]

they were all skrulls, the originals were captured.

have a mini-series showing the originals escaping the skrull homeworld with a launch of alpha flight #1 with the originals at long last after they've been in space captured for years.

[Flightpath07]

they were all skrulls, the originals were captured.

have a mini-series showing the originals escaping the skrull homeworld with a launch of alpha flight #1 with the originals at long last after they've been in space captured for years.

Varo, you are the man!
8)

[Manikin]

they were all skrulls, the originals were captured.

have a mini-series showing the originals escaping the skrull homeworld with a launch of alpha flight #1 with the originals at long last after they've been in space captured for years.

That just leave the one problem, why did the fake Alphans turn back into skrulls after they were killed by the Collective?

[kozzi24]

That just leave the one problem, why did the fake Alphans turn back into skrulls after they were killed by the Collective?
Simplest solution is the cold of the battlefield

[cmdrkoenig67]

Or...The Skrulls imposters at S.H.I.E.L.D. cut the footage before "SKrullpha Flight" died to keep their infiltration secret.

Dana

[mreeez]

Or...The Skrulls imposters at S.H.I.E.L.D. cut the footage before "SKrullpha Flight" died to keep their infiltration secret.

Dana

Ding!

Or that Agent Brown is a skrull too.

[Flightpath07]

Or...The Skrulls imposters at S.H.I.E.L.D. cut the footage before "SKrullpha Flight" died to keep their infiltration secret.

Dana

Ding!

Or that Agent Brown is a skrull too.

Yeah, in light of the weird things going on at MCP, Agent Brown being a Skrull makes TONS of sense...

[varo]

i really don't want to ruin #5 for anyone, but the issue is absolutely horrible, a new revelation is making me scratch my head where marvel is heading with this.


uggghhhh...............

[-K-M-]

What happened? Just add a spoiler warning for others who don't want to know. I havn't picked my copy up yet

[varo]

spoiler.............































you've been warned............
















although usagent was good (again) pointer was revealed to possibly have.............*sigh*........multiple personalities.

blech!

[-K-M-]

..............That saddens me, but they were implying it for a few issues now. SPOILER=Three seperate personalities I believe

EDIT:
SPOILER=Haha never mind I was just told he has 27 different personalities

[Flightpath07]

Makes sense. I see a return of that Xorn guy upcoming...

[-K-M-]

My buddy gave me this scan as I was dying to know what was happening. I'm going to the store tommorow to pick it up, but anyways here's the biggest reveal of his story, and truthfully...I don't mind how they did it

SPOILER:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MCP5034.jpg

[Flightpath07]

My buddy gave me this scan as I was dying to know what was happening. I'm going to the store tommorow to pick it up, but anyways here's the biggest reveal of his story, and truthfully...I don't mind how they did it

SPOILER:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MCP5034.jpg

Oh...geez!

Wow. For a guy who hates Pointer, that scan made my hair stand on end!

Yep, I can see a whole buncha powere dmutant people wanting out of Pointer's head, all right! Here's hoping they take the top of his head off, when they bust out!

[Flightpath07]

My buddy gave me this scan as I was dying to know what was happening. I'm going to the store tommorow to pick it up, but anyways here's the biggest reveal of his story, and truthfully...I don't mind how they did it

SPOILER:
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MCP5034.jpg

Okay, I have just taken another long, hard look at that picture.

Anybody seeing what I am seeing?

Look close. Really close. On the left, we have a large enraged creature, and below that a guy with a swelled head and his fingers ot his temples. Makes me think of Sasquatch, and Smart Alec.
Keep looking. Ther eis an animalistic looking creature, mainly white in colour. Perhaps this is a shape-shifter, like Snowbird, or maybe it is Wild Child?
We also have a floating, cross legged meditator, looking lots like Shaman. There is also an acrobat, perhaps Puck? Then there is a ceiling-crawler, like a Spiderman or Arachne or something.

Seems like I am seeing WAY TOO MANY Alpha Flight references in thsi picture? Perhaps, Pointer never really KILLED anybody! Perhaps Agent Brown is trying to secretly release all the souls (for lack of a better word) that Pointer has within him, and bring Alpha Flight back to the land of the living, or something like that?!

[cmdrkoenig67]

Putting my hatred for the character aside for a moment...
Maybe when he actively absorbs powers, abilities, etc... (Like he had with the mystery red-heded woman in the cell, Raptore and perhaps even Alpha Flight)...Perhaps he also absorbs their persona/minds. Six of those minds may be the fallen Alpha Flight members (could the one in a floating, lotus position be Shaman, as Flightpath pointed out?).

I can't imagine that the 27 minds (not just 27 personalities) are only the depowered mutants (that went on to help form the Collective)...There was a heck of a lot more mutants depowered than that (does anybody recall how many mutant signatures were detected in the Collective?). Also...I don't see how Xorn could be one of the minds...His mind went with the depowered mutants' powers into the sun (which was soooo stupid, since energy can't be destroyed)...Unless some sort of echo of him remains in Pointer.

Dana

Edited for typos.

[HappyCanuck]

Okay, so Pointer is some shoddy version of Rogue now? My, how original.. :?

[Flightpath07]

Okay, so Pointer is some shoddy version of Rogue now? My, how original.. :?

Right about now, the only "original" that I care about, is the original Alpha Flight returning!

[Le Messor]

His mind went with the depowered mutants' powers into the sun (which was soooo stupid, since energy can't be destroyed)...

Technically, nothing can. But it can be altered beyond recognition, and 'burned up'. eg: If you burn a pizza, all the matter still exists, it's just not in edible form, and then you have to rush home from work because you suddenly remembered you left it in the oven for three hours and you really wish you hadn't and you only did it to save time in the first place...

- Le Messor
"Lisa! In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
- Homer

[-K-M-]

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #8
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM, IVAN BRANDON, ANDY SCHMIDT
& RICH KOSLOWSKI
Penciled by FRANCIS TSAI, NIKO HENRICHON, MARCO TURINI
& ANDREA DIVITO
Cover by BRANDON PETERSON

Aaron Stack has been drinking again…drinking to keep the ghosts of his past at bay. It wouldn’t be a problem if he was just a man—but he’s MACHINE MAN, and his past has a way of coming alive! Join 24/7 creator Ivan Brandon and Pride of Baghdad artist Niko Henrichon for the debut of an all-new 5-part Machine Man tale! Plus: CYCLOPS & WOLVERINE go hunting, WEAPON OMEGA battles U.S. Agent, and VANGUARD reveals the truth about the murder of John Doe.
40 PGS./Rated A …$3.99

[Mokole]

And now he's no longer Guardian, perhaps?

[cmdrkoenig67]

His mind went with the depowered mutants' powers into the sun (which was soooo stupid, since energy can't be destroyed)...

Technically, nothing can. But it can be altered beyond recognition, and 'burned up'. eg: If you burn a pizza, all the matter still exists, it's just not in edible form, and then you have to rush home from work because you suddenly remembered you left it in the oven for three hours and you really wish you hadn't and you only did it to save time in the first place...

- Le Messor
"Lisa! In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
- Homer

LOL....Are you speaking from experience, Mik? You're absolutely right about nothing being totally destroyed.

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #8
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM, IVAN BRANDON, ANDY SCHMIDT
& RICH KOSLOWSKI
Penciled by FRANCIS TSAI, NIKO HENRICHON, MARCO TURINI
& ANDREA DIVITO
Cover by BRANDON PETERSON

Aaron Stack has been drinking again…drinking to keep the ghosts of his past at bay. It wouldn’t be a problem if he was just a man—but he’s MACHINE MAN, and his past has a way of coming alive! Join 24/7 creator Ivan Brandon and Pride of Baghdad artist Niko Henrichon for the debut of an all-new 5-part Machine Man tale! Plus: CYCLOPS & WOLVERINE go hunting, WEAPON OMEGA battles U.S. Agent, and VANGUARD reveals the truth about the murder of John Doe.
40 PGS./Rated A …$3.99

Aaron Stack's been drinking???!! Again???!! Drinking what?...Motor oil?? He's a frikkin robot, fer Kirby's sake!!!! Are the creator's at Marvel mentally-challenged?

Words cannot truly convey my disgust at this blurb.

Dana :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :P

[Flightpath07]

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #8
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM, IVAN BRANDON, ANDY SCHMIDT
& RICH KOSLOWSKI
Penciled by FRANCIS TSAI, NIKO HENRICHON, MARCO TURINI
& ANDREA DIVITO
Cover by BRANDON PETERSON

Aaron Stack has been drinking again…drinking to keep the ghosts of his past at bay. It wouldn’t be a problem if he was just a man—but he’s MACHINE MAN, and his past has a way of coming alive! Join 24/7 creator Ivan Brandon and Pride of Baghdad artist Niko Henrichon for the debut of an all-new 5-part Machine Man tale! Plus: CYCLOPS & WOLVERINE go hunting, WEAPON OMEGA battles U.S. Agent, and VANGUARD reveals the truth about the murder of John Doe.
40 PGS./Rated A …$3.99

Aaron Stack's been drinking???!! Again???!! Drinking what?...Motor oil?? He's a frikkin robot, fer Kirby's sake!!!! Are the creator's at Marvel mentally-challenged?

Words cannot truly convey my disgust at this blurb.

Dana :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :P

You obviously have been missing Marvel's best comic, Ms. Marvel. Seriously, this is one fascinating comic. Yes, Machine Man makes many an appearance in this book as part of Carol Danver's Strike Force team, and yes even though it makes no sense, he is a drunk!
:shock:

[cmdrkoenig67]

Aaron Stack's been drinking???!! Again???!! Drinking what?...Motor oil?? He's a frikkin robot, fer Kirby's sake!!!! Are the creator's at Marvel mentally-challenged?

Words cannot truly convey my disgust at this blurb.

Dana :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :P

You obviously have been missing Marvel's best comic, Ms. Marvel. Seriously, this is one fascinating comic. Yes, Machine Man makes many an appearance in this book as part of Carol Danver's Strike Force team, and yes even though it makes no sense, he is a drunk!
:shock:

Yeah...I haven't been picking up Ms Marvel (I picked up the issue with the Shroud, but that was it)...I haven't missed anything, though...I have no interest in the character. I really don't understand how a robot (besides Bender of Futurama) can be an alcoholic...Did Carol meet him at an AA meeting? :P

Sigh...

[Legerd]

So I'm not the only one to notice the stupidity of that storyline. Is it just me, or do any of you feel the writers (both DC & Marvel) are really stretching to come up with ideas?

[-K-M-]

Aaron Stack's been drinking???!! Again???!! Drinking what?...Motor oil?? He's a frikkin robot, fer Kirby's sake!!!! Are the creator's at Marvel mentally-challenged?

Words cannot truly convey my disgust at this blurb.

Dana :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :P

He actually has been drinking alcohol for a few years now :?

I'm a huge Machine Man fan, and they made him an alcoholic in the Nextwave series. Which was meant to be taken as a joke but I guess someone has taken it serious :(

[Flightpath07]

Well, for all the obvious holes in the idea that a machine is a drunken alcoholic...
...I am really enjoying the character of Aaron Syack, at least as he has been presented in Ms. Marvel. He is obnoxious too, but a machine should not be capable of that either, right? Well, it's a comic book, I suppose we all need to suspend our disbeliefs in order to read them anyways...

[-K-M-]

...I am really enjoying the character of Aaron Syack, at least as he has been presented in Ms. Marvel. He is obnoxious too, but a machine should not be capable of that either, right? Well, it's a comic book, I suppose we all need to suspend our disbeliefs in order to read them anyways...

He was never like that though...ever. Only until NextWave did he start acting like that.

Also he is capable of it, as he has human emotions and has feelings just like any other human. Even the Celestials were so impressed with him they allowed him to travel with them for a year.

[Le Messor]

eg: If you burn a pizza, then you have to rush home from work...
LOL....Are you speaking from experience, Mik? You're absolutely right about nothing being totally destroyed.

... No?
(Mik whistles innocently, obviously lying.)


(besides Bender of Futurama)

That's just who I was thinking of!
I can believe him drinking, but not alcohol having the same effect on a machine as on a human. (It doesn't even have the same effect on every animal species, or so I've heard.)
It's kind of like those stories (which bug me) where every (living is not quite the right word) creature being as obsessed with sex as humans; even things like vampires, robots, toys, etc... which reproduce asexually.


He is obnoxious too, but a machine should not be capable of that either, right?

If you weren't on the internet to write that, I'd ask if you'd ever used a computer (http://le-messor.livejournal.com/61495.html)!

- Le Messor
"Expansion means complexity, and complexity decays."

[Flightpath07]

Nice rant, Le Messor! I like it.

[Le Messor]

Nice rant, Le Messor! I like it.

Thanks. They had it coming! (But I doubt I'm the first to write it--or the last.)

- LM
"Excuse me for not answering your letter, but I’ve been so busy not answering letters that I couldn’t get around to not answering yours in time."
- Groucho Marx

[Legerd]

If you weren't on the internet to write that, I'd ask if you'd ever used a computer (http://le-messor.livejournal.com/61495.html)!

You took the words right out of my mouth. :lol: THIEF! SKRULL THIEF!!! Give me back my words!

[Flightpath07]

If you weren't on the internet to write that, I'd ask if you'd ever used a computer (http://le-messor.livejournal.com/61495.html)!

You took the words right out of my mouth. :lol: THIEF! SKRULL THIEF!!! Give me back my words!

:-$

[Le Messor]

[quote=Le Messor]You took the words right out of my mouth. :lol: THIEF! SKRULL THIEF!!! Give me back my words!

:-#

I stole them so they're rightfully mine! Mwahaha!

[HappyCanuck]

[quote=Le Messor]You took the words right out of my mouth. :lol: THIEF! SKRULL THIEF!!! Give me back my words!

:-#

I stole them so they're rightfully mine! Mwahaha!

Well, possession IS 9/10ths of the law.... However, possession with the intent to sell is illegal....

[Le Messor]

Well, possession IS 9/10ths of the law.... However, possession with the intent to sell is illegal....

I just had this place exorcised! (No wonder I felt so dispossessed.)

[Legerd]

Well, possession IS 9/10ths of the law.... However, possession with the intent to sell is illegal....

I just had this place exorcised! (No wonder I felt so dispossessed.)

:. #-o

[varo]

am i the only one that read issue #6? was actually pretty good.

turn away if you don't want to be spoiled....











































seems that the stark is not getting any of the prisoners that omega is capturing, which has usagent and arachne suspicious. also, shroud shows up, and he and arachne have been getting together quite often (thought it was a nice little touch) pointer is still going through his "soprano" like therapy sessions, and it turns out rachel is the only one he talks to. also it seems like omgea is still together, and this issue really made it seem like their was a future for them.

pretty well done.

[mreeez]

Read #6 and liked it too.

[Le Messor]

I'm just glad I didn't read this a week after everybody else for once!

I liked it, but wished we'd got the actual Alphans (Talisman and Sas) instead of concentrating purely on the American interlopers.

- Il Messore
"Experience is something you get just after you really needed it."

[-K-M-]

I wonder if Shroud will one day join Omega Flight? I wouldn't mind him

[cmdrkoenig67]

GAHHH! I truly love the Shroud, but please, please, please....NO MORE AMERICAN CITIZENS in Omega or Alpha(if it comes back)! Three is way too many on a Canadian-based team.

[HappyCanuck]

Three is way too many on a Canadian-based team.... Unless the team has at least 12 standing characters on it...

[varo]

i really wonder if rich koslowski was given a outline of a story to follow during this 12 issue maxi to help launch something omega flight related once it was over, or if those are his original stories.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Three is way too many on a Canadian-based team.... Unless the team has at least 12 standing characters on it...

LOL! Yes...That's better!

[-K-M-]

MCP #7 came out, it was alright Talisman is still MIA, and Sasquatch hasn't appeared again

[mos_def]

I always thought that was the problem with writing Alpha Flight. When the series first came out, the tier group was in place; Alpha, Beta and Gamma. Over the years Alpha has had to battle with lower tiers in their ranks cuz of roster problems. That was cool but it then created a big back log of characters that should be in Beta or Gamma but since they were introduced in Alpha, it created a bigger spotlight for a writer to write off characters. The XMen do the same thing but their sub-groups get their own series. We dont. The Avengers just have reserves but not trainees.
Department H is always mentioned in a series of Alpha cuz it started the team. They can leave for awhile but they come back. Much like when the XMen left but they still came back to Westchester. So if you have Department H you know there are lesser groups within the Department. Say Flex and Ghostgirl should belong in Beta or Gamma. But since we all read them in Alpha, we would all badly comment if a writer didnt put them in some issues cuz we know they are there.

[Legerd]

Simon Furman did a great job in vol. 1 fleshing out Beta Flight. In fact, he seemed to focus far more on them then he did Alpha. Subsequent series however never bothered to bring them back, and now no one will probably mention them again. After all, it's hard enough to get TPTB to take AF seriously, good luck getting BF even thought about.

[Le Messor]

MCP #7 came out, it was alright Talisman is still MIA, and Sasquatch hasn't appeared again

'least he rated a mention though. It seemed that USAgent was suspicious of him--unvoiced, just an impression I got.

Come to think of it, this story is becoming less 'Guardian' and more 'USAgent vs them D Far'ners! Evil Canadians! Guest-starring Arachne!'.

- Le Messor
"Few people can see genius in someone who has offended them."
- Robertson Davies

[varo]

believe it or not, i am growing to like this anthology (only because of omega). i even dropped rich koslowski a line to see if marvel had given him a outline of what to write for future plans or if this was all him. he was kind enough to respond:




Thanks for the kind feedback! Always very much appreciated hearing from the readers. Please let the fine editors at Marvel know as well, I need all the help I can get!
As for "the outline" question...Nope. They just initially asked me for my take on the new Guardian character they had after his intro in New Avengers and the Omega Flight mini-series. They wanted to see if I could develop the character more. I took a stab and sent an outline and they really loved it and off we went! The only sticking points have been that I can't really use any other mutants in the Marvel Universe as there are soooo many things going on right now with them and their continuity. So I had to pretty much avoid any other mutants. There is editing as I go along, and some guidance if they're not in complete agreement with some idea I've written, but for the most part the story's all mine.
I've been told that they want to continue on in some fashion with Omega Flight, yes. As far as I know there are no definitive plans yet, though. Again, encouraging letters from readers such as yourself go a long ways towards making that happen. They really do matter! And, again, mentioning my name would certainly be appreciated. I've learned to really enjoy these characters as I've written them (especially USAgent, the guy rocks!) and would love to continue on developing them.
Thanks again for your support.
Rich K

[varo]

btw, wizard world: la is going on and the only touch of alpha info i could find was:


Last question - plans for Northstar? McCann: "Yes, but too early to say."

[-K-M-]

Well at least it's some news

[varo]

from rich's blog:


As some of you may know I've been writing for Marvel Comics for the past few months in their new MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS anthology. I'm writing the "Weapon Omega" storyline featuring the new Guardian character! YES!!!! Anyways, I was informed a month or so back that my artist, Andrea DiVito, could no longer continue on the book and would be exiting as of issue 8. I was bummed, saddened and inconsolable. Then John Barber (editor) went on to explain that he'd found this "new guy" (a relative newcomer anyway) to take over named Marco Checchetto (another Italian dude). I was like, "Okay, I guess." What could I say, really? It was out of my hands. John said he'd be sending over some samples of Marco's work for me to peruse. I was like, "Sure...okay (i.e. whatever)."

So I waited for the jpeg samples.

Then I got them.

My worries soon evaporated (And I'm sure you can see why from the image I've just posted).

I'll still miss Andrea, don't get me wrong. He's fantastic! Love the guy. But Marco's stuff is just as good in it's own right. I'm not getting the middle relief pitcher here guys, I'm getting the saver in the ninth inning after my starter pitched 8 quality innings!

Word!

R

[varo]

btw, mike oeming had this comment:


Originally Posted by Dusty View Post
I haven't heard anything concerning Omega Flight in ages. Scot Kolins defected to DC, so he's out, but is there any news on this front? It sold well enough that I would have thought it would be well into production by now.


reply:


Well, it was a bumpy ride. Personally and professionally (especially personally) I was going through hard times. There was lots of "cooks in the kitchen" which was frustrating. That said, Im really proud of the series and honestly I have no idea why it wasnt picked up.

[rplass]

Here is the image posted by Rich on his blog from the soon-to-be new artist for Weapon Omega/Guardian:

http://www.richkoslowski.com/blog/enclosures/MCPV2008D003%5Fcol.jpg

Love,
rplass

[cmdrkoenig67]

Here is the image posted by Rich on his blog from the soon-to-be new artist for Weapon Omega/Guardian:

http://www.richkoslowski.com/blog/enclosures/MCPV2008D003%5Fcol.jpg

Love,
rplass

Is it just me or does he look evil?

Dana

[Legerd]

http://www.richkoslowski.com/blog/enclosures/MCPV2008D003%5Fcol.jpg

It looks really good, but still another artist can't get the maple leaf design right. :cry:

[-K-M-]

Is it just me or does he look evil?

I think he does go evil at the end of MCP

[Manikin]

I think it would be more likely that one of Pointer's stronger alternate personalities will take over, just like the Collective did. However, this time Pointer will fight back against it and take control back just in the nick of time. :)

[-K-M-]

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #10
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM,
IVAN BRANDON, RICH KOSLOW-SKI, & JESSE BLAZE SNIDER
Penciled by FRANCIS TSAI, NIKO HENRICHON, & MARCO CHECCHETTO
Cover by YANICK PAQUETTE

Answers abound, as the secrets of VANGUARD-BLADE, YELENA BELOVA, MICROMAX, DOMINIC FORTUNE-are revealed to STACY DOLAN…and the ever-lovin' THING! Plus, GUARDIAN begins to understand how to utilize his newfound powers, just in time to confront his tormentors, in WEAPON OMEGA. MACHINE MAN's flashbacks continue to cause problems in the real world, and Jesse Blaze Snider and Marco Checchetto brings us a very special tale of the Merc with a Mouth: DEADPOOL!

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=13403

[Mokole]

Spoilers, maybe not. MCP #7 stuff.




















In MCP #7, Pointer seems to be getting worse, CSIS are giving mutant growth hormone to people to use as batteries for Weapon Omega, Weapon Omega hasn't seen action for a while, Walker and Arachne are trying to find out what Pointer is up to and what CSIS is trying to do with Pointer. And Pointer seems to be more insane.

[-K-M-]

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #11
Written by MARK GUGGENHEIM, Ivan Brandon, B. CLAY MOORE & RICH KOSLOWSKI
Penciled by Francis Tsai, niko henrichon, LEE WEEKS & MARCO checchetto
Cover by dave wilkins

VANGUARD races to its conclusion: the mystery is solved, but who will survive to tell the tale? Meanwhile, Guardian confronts his tormentors in WEAPON OMEGA’s penultimate chapter; MACHINE MAN battles his past to save his sanity; and STINGRAY goes face-to-face with a horror from the deep!

[-K-M-]

SPOILER:





Guardian and USAgent fight, and Walker is kicking his arse till Guardian finally gets serious and begins to absorb powers of mutants from different places and starts pounding on Walker. Sasquatch makes one-panel apperance, but just was telling USAgent how Guardian suit works. We find out Agent Brown really isn't the big bad in the story, as there is someone else in the shadows feeding Guardian more power. Nice art

[-K-M-]

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #12
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM, IVAN BRANDON, JAI NITZ, & RICH KOSLOWSKI
Penciled by FRANCIS TSAI, NIKO HENRICHON, BEN STENBECK, MARCO CHICHETTO
Cover by STEPHEN SEGOVIA

VANGUARD and WEAPON OMEGA thunder to their incredible finales, as Trenton Craft looks to put an end to BLADE-forever-and Michael Pointer finally comes to grips with his role as GUARDIAN-but can he possibly survive the experience? And in the conclusion to MACHINE MAN, Aaron Stack's future threatens to be more of a handful than his past. Plus-a never-before-told story of the time MAN-THING joined…the INITIATIVE!?!
40 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99

[-K-M-]

SPOILER:


Hooray Sasquatch appears, but not to keen on how the artist drew him.

[Mokole]

I'm losing track; is this issue 9 or 10? or 11 even??

[Le Messor]

I'm losing track; is this issue 9 or 10? or 11 even??

I think how it works is...
8 is the latest out. (Latest in my collection, but ask me again in a week.)
Mungi's posted the solicits for 12, but is discussing 8 or 9.

Of course, King Mungi could answer this better than me.

- Le Messor
"Finished eighth in my class of ten."
- allegedly from a real resumé

[-K-M-]

Yeah I have been posting the solicits for the upcoming issues, but issue #9 just came out.

[varo]

after reading this issue, i have the strangest feeling pointer will not be in the guardian suit after its over.

[Le Messor]

Number 9, number 9, number 9... *burp*

I liked how Sasquatch defeated Pointy-haired bad guy. (Who's so Aryan, maybe he should be in the Avengers?) He doesn't beat the living laser out of him (okay, might've liked it better if he did), but instead just reminds him that he killed Alpha... and that ends the battle.

Sas was drawn... Not to Byrne's model, which is my preferred version (of course). He looked feral. But I kinda liked it. I'd like the Byrne model best, of course, but I liked this one.

- Le Messor
FIREFLY: To my dentist. Er .. 'Dear Dentist: Enclosed find cheque for five hundred dollars. Yours very truly.' Send that off immediately.
BOB: I'll ... er I'll have to enclose the cheque first.
FIREFLY: You do and I'll fire you.
- Groucho and Zeppo Marx in Duck Soup

[Puckeroo]

thanks to the book store - am loseing track.
I only gotten 9 and 10. DX

[varo]

anyone get #10? if so what happened?

[HappyCanuck]

anyone get #10? if so what happened?

Um, Agent Brown decided that enough was enough, and tricked Sasquatch into releasing Tanaraq so that he could eat Pointer. Talisman and Arachne helped by seasoning him up reeeeaaaally nice. Oh, and he had USAgent for desert, which REALLY peeved Iron Man...

(Joking. I haven't read any of the issues yet.)

[rplass]

OK I have it

Spoiler space






arrr
spoilers be here matey












In a very well-written portion of the story, Pointer begins to understand what's going on in his own head. He mentally confronts, with a sense of bewildered compassion, the identities of various beings in his mind. This leads the reader to believe that shortly, it will become known to the reader what is going on as well. There's also a red-headed woman wearing a green outfit there and he says, "There you are!" to her. You can't see the woman's face. Who is that woman, the unknown woman from issue #1 who withered and died? Or is it Heather? hmmm.

Then he mentally contacts Dr. Benning, and then and Agent Brown and Iron Man notice a spike of activity in Pointer's brain activity.

Then someone "pulls the plug" on USAgent, apparently killing him because there's a flat line on the machine that goes "ping!"

[Flightpath07]

Okay, i have not read issue 10 yet.

rplass, are you kidding me, or what?

"ping"?

sigh...sounds way too good to be true...

[rplass]

Ok yeah, those are real spoilers. I swear it upon my copy of UXM #109 (haha! Now you know I am not fibbing!!!) The machine that goes "ping!" is a Monty Python reference (Meaning of Life movie), but yeah, that's what happens.

[Flightpath07]

Ok yeah, those are real spoilers. I swear it upon my copy of UXM #109 (haha! Now you know I am not fibbing!!!) The machine that goes "ping!" is a Monty Python reference (Meaning of Life movie), but yeah, that's what happens.

and, the chances of "him" (the Imposter Guardian; the Alpha-Killer) really being a goner...probably not nearly as good as i would hope, eh?

[-K-M-]

It was USAgent on the table when the plug was pulled, not Pointer

[Flightpath07]

It was USAgent on the table with the plug was pulled, not Pointer

Oh!

Well...no real loss there, either. He's been lame since Avengers West Coast!

[cmdrkoenig67]

No offense, rplass...But I like Allan's description better. :P

Dana :lol:

[Trewqp]

Marvel Comics Presents - Continuation of Omega Flight, possible Alpha Flight appearances
thats what it said on the alpha flight collector site
so is this based on the whole omega flight team? or just mainly on guardian? and whats weapon omega?
http://www.geocities.com/rplass/afcollector/home.htm
srry for all the questions

[Flightpath07]

Marvel Comics Presents - Continuation of Omega Flight, possible Alpha Flight appearances
thats what it said on the alpha flight collector site
so is this based on the whole omega flight team? or just mainly on guardian? and whats weapon omega?
http://www.geocities.com/rplass/afcollector/home.htm
srry for all the questions

Marvel Comics Presents is an anthology. It has several (four, i believe) different stories each issue, either stand-alone stories or ones that are continued from issue to issue.
The first 12 (?) issues of MCP deal with a story featuring the new "Guardian". As he is a member of Omega Flight, other Omega Flight members (mainly USAgent) show up in the story.
That help?

[Trewqp]

and how many will they continue to make?
and i thought U.S. Agent died?

[Flightpath07]

and i thought U.S. Agent died?

"Apparently", he did. In MCP, no less. However, don't hold your breath that he is really dead. This is Marvel, after all. Only Alpha Flight stays dead.

[Trewqp]

Well i decided to do an interview with the the retired members of alpha flight, and this is what i found out!!!

Sasquatch... he now does shows at star wars conventions playing as a wookie, he lives off tips he gets from the nerds who think hes awsome

north star.... well he now works as one of those guys that do those fire staff tricks. and lives in hawaii and trys to do E trade stocks but loses alot of money in the long run

guardian... he now plays halo 3 all day, and writes useless wikipedia articles

U.S. Agent is trying to run for president, and eats a lot of peanuts

Beta-bay-bill... he now does horse shows for a living, and bets on horse races

Arachne... she now is trying to star in commericals, mainly the burger king one

Puck... he now lives in a circus doing tricks and what not, and lives off hot dogs and coca-cola

snow bird... well i didnt care to find out what shes doing

shaman... now feeds the animals at busch gardens theme park

Aurora... is now a play boy bunnie, no plans when she gets older though

[Flightpath07]

Trewqp, glad to see you have moved back to North America from Afghanistan! :lol:

[Trewqp]

so what did you think of the interview?

[rplass]

Ok so issue #12 will be the last issue for a while, then Marvel's going to relaunch the series after a few (fewer than 6) months. I wonder if it will include another Alpha Flight related series?!?!? I hope so!

Love,
rplass

[Trewqp]

that be awsome rplass!!!
hopefully omega or alpha, anyway im happy.

[Flightpath07]

My thoughts...
If MCP debutes (again), and it has another AF story, then that means there is no AF ongoing monthly comic, so...that'd be B-A-D.

But, it would be typical Marvel...giv eus a little hope for getting what we really want, then pull the rug out from under us. Give us something (that we don't really want), try o tkeep us buying crap we don't really wanna buy, and take our money happily.
So...if that is what happens, you can count me OUT!

[Trewqp]

Well then flightpath we will have to see then, does anyone know when they are going to re-release MCP?
or have anypreviews of it?

[varo]

its not until mid 2009, so they haven't even started on it.

mcp will end perfect for me if pointer drops the suit, and does his own thing not in a guardian suit.

[Trewqp]

ouch... well i guess we just have to wait then, but i agree with you varo he should drop the suit. i'd like to see a silver surfer in there though, that'd be good

[mreeez]

I wonder how much control Kozlowski(sp?) has/had in the outcome of the series.

[varo]

i emailed him, and said this was all him, no editorial direction or anything. which seems odd for marvel.

[Flightpath07]

i emailed him, and said this was all him, no editorial direction or anything. which seems odd for marvel.

Really?
Well, seems like there is no way he could have killed off USAgent then, not without Marvel's approval. So that is just another red herring.

And, if Marvel had any upcoming plans for Pointer, or for any of the Omega Flight peoples that show up from time to time in MCP, you'd think that Marvel would be giving him some guidelines.

Call me a pessimist, but this doesn't sound all that good to me...

[varo]

yep, thats the same thing i was thinking. i was wondering if marvel gave him a outline and said "this is where we need the story to go" type of thing.

i'll see if i can find the email.

[Trewqp]

i find it hard to belive that marvel allowed him to do that all by him,
well hopefully we get something from the email

Read Marvel's Greatest Heroes Sampler for FREE
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Well i just found this at marvel, it gives us information on marvel's heros and what they are going to be doing in the future
well im gonna read it right now
Heres the link
http://marvel.com/news/.4175.FREE~colon~_Read_Marvel~apos~s_Greatest_Hero es_Sampler%21


Well it has nothing about Alpha flight or omega flight, :roll:
**crys**

[rplass]

Well, the entire run for Weapon Omega is being collected in TPB, isn't that great? (see October 08 solicits)


http://marvel.com/comics/onsale/covers/1008/WPNOMEGA_TPB_sm.jpg
COVER BY: MIKE CHOI
WRITER: RICH KOSLOWSKI
PENCILS: ANDREAD DI VITO
THE STORY:
Omega Flight's Michael Pointer (a.k.a. Guardian) faces down demons both internal and external. What is happening to him — and who is responsible? Featuring U.S.Agent! Collecting MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #1-12 ("Weapon Omega"). Plus the Omega Flight prequel from the CIVIL WAR: THE INITIATIVE One-Shot.
Rated T+ …$12.99

PRICE: 12.99
IN STORES: October 22, 2008

http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=10034

Also included is the "recruitment" scene from Avengers: Initiative that was inscrutably omitted from the Omega Flight TPB!!

Let's see, 12 issues x $3.99 = $48 or $12.99 for the TPB? Not bad.

Love,
rplass

[Trewqp]

so weapon omega continues the story of omega flight right?

[-K-M-]

Well kinda glad Agent Brown isn't the bad guy, and this issue looks like he has gone back to his look in Omega Flight.

[DaVeO]

Didn't Marvel say that these stories would NOT be collected individually? I can't believe anything they announce anymore. But anyhow, this is somewhat good news Omega Flight.

But what really cheeses me off lately is the amount of new books being launched as ongoing right out of the gate (Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain Britain and MI:13; which are both really good btw) but still no Alpha Flight/Omega Flight news.

And aren't the Skrulls attacking Canada as well?

Stoopid, stoopid Marvel.

[Legerd]

And aren't the Skrulls attacking Canada as well?

Haven't you noticed? In movies, books, TV and comics Canada is a magical land where nothing bad ever happens. Whenever something terrible befalls the world, you will get a list of nations that are affected, but despite being the 2nd largest country we never get hit. I, for one, sleep better knowing that my nation is safe in all the various entertainment mediums.

[Trewqp]

lol, legerd i just realized what you said was true, like in the zombie movies, they arent affected and theres a whole community of safe and unaffected people.

[HappyCanuck]

And aren't the Skrulls attacking Canada as well?

Haven't you noticed? In movies, books, TV and comics Canada is a magical land where nothing bad ever happens. Whenever something terrible befalls the world, you will get a list of nations that are affected, but despite being the 2nd largest country we never get hit. I, for one, sleep better knowing that my nation is safe in all the various entertainment mediums.

Well, not QUITE true.... things always seem to hit Toronto and Montreal....

[cmdrkoenig67]

Weapon Omega in TPB works for those of you who want it...Cheers.

Dana :D

[Trewqp]

hehe i cant wait to get it, i didnt get the chance to read MCP.
and me and you dana were on at the same time!!! :D

[cmdrkoenig67]

lol....Well, of course...Maine, Florida. Maine's just being hugged by Canada.

Dana

[Flightpath07]

lol....Well, of course...Maine, Florida. Maine's just being hugged by Canada.

Dana

Dana, with Flight-lovers like you in Maine, Canada will gladly hug your state with pride!

[cmdrkoenig67]

Thank you...I...I've got something in my eye, excuse me...

Runs away...

[Flightpath07]

Thank you...I...I've got something in my eye, excuse me...

Runs away...

I'm no teacher, but that might possibly be a pupil in your eye! :P :wink: :wink:

[Le Messor]

Haven't you noticed? In movies, books, TV and comics Canada is a magical land where nothing bad ever happens.

Like in Outbreak, where you see a scene showing the spread of the virus, and it apparently respects international borders.

At least I'm mostly safe; only Sydney gets attacked ever. So if I'm not there when the ship hits the fan (the ship being the giant spaceship in ID4, and the fan being the Sydney Opera House), I should be okay!

- Le Messor
"Families are like fudge...mostly sweet, with a few nuts."

[Legerd]

And aren't the Skrulls attacking Canada as well?

Haven't you noticed? In movies, books, TV and comics Canada is a magical land where nothing bad ever happens. Whenever something terrible befalls the world, you will get a list of nations that are affected, but despite being the 2nd largest country we never get hit. I, for one, sleep better knowing that my nation is safe in all the various entertainment mediums.

Well, not QUITE true.... things always seem to hit Toronto and Montreal....

Yes, but only when the story is set in those cities, or at least in Canada. Otherwise, the country seems remarkably untouchable while the rest of the world gets jerseyed.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Perhaps Hollywood screen-writers think Canada has only two or three cities?

Dana :P

[Mokole]

A friend came back from the lake and told me a bit about MCP #11, but he wasn't too clear. Something like Pointer finds out the people he's been stealing powers et al from are dead, who's behind it all, and something about how necessary Sasquatch and Arachne are to keep Pointer in line or something like that. Also, apparently Agent Brown isn't on the ball about Weapon Omega and may be going after Pointer or Benning in #12.

As I said, he wasn't too clear, methinks he drank too much.

[Le Messor]

Nope, they're not dead. Not all of them.
The story has a great tribute image of his traumatic origin. (It wasn't the greatest team in the world. It was just a tribute.)

... but it does look like any actual Alphans will be out of the way for the climactic battle. :(

- Le Messor
"Experience varies directly with equipment ruined."

[Mokole]

A battle? To get rid of Pointer once and for all? 8)

Ah, too much to hope for.

[Mokole]

I guess not everyone has seen these:

The cover (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0808/22/mcpresents12c.htm) to MCP #12 (wouldn't all the characters in the picture be dying if they were that close to Pointer??).

A page of US Agent and Brown (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0808/22/mcpresents127.htm) in 'action'.

And a page of Pointer not looking so hot (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0808/22/mcpresents128.htm).

[-K-M-]

I guess not everyone has seen these:

The cover (http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0808/22/mcpresents12c.htm) to MCP #12 (wouldn't all the characters in the picture be dying if they were that close to Pointer??).

No, because none of them are mutants and it's a cover which is different from what happens inside of a comic.

[cmdrkoenig67]

LMAO!!....Guardina!

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0808/22/marvelfirsts.htm

Dana

[-K-M-]

Well the last issue came out and Walter does make an apperance, but no Talisman and no "Omega Flight coming in 2009" at the end.

[Flightpath07]

And so the world ends, not with a bang, but with a fizzle...

[-K-M-]

And so the world ends, not with a bang, but with a fizzle...

"Not the end..."

That's all it said

[Flightpath07]

I'm still two issues behind, as mine come in the mail...

"Not the end..."

Actually, i'd rather it WAS the end of Omega Flight. If OF was finished and no more, we'd have a better chance of seeing what we really want out of an AF comic...

[cmdrkoenig67]

Wait...


Possible spoilers...












So they didn't kill off Pointer? Or ship him and U.S.Agent back to the USA?

Dang it!!!

Dana

[-K-M-]

In the very last page, Pointer goes back to North Pole, Alaska and helps rebuild. That count? :wink:

[HappyCanuck]

In the very last page, Pointer goes back to North Pole, Alaska and helps rebuild. That count? :wink:

.... Only if he gets squished by a falling girder....

[HappyCanuck]

In the very last page, Pointer goes back to North Pole, Alaska and helps rebuild. That count? :wink:

.... Only if he gets squished by a falling girder....

... ON panel!! :twisted:

[maniac mike]

:x What puzzles me is that Pointer says, "I won't be their WEAPON OMEGA... I won't be their GUARDIAN... those are the names they chose for me."

So, if he's wearing the Guardian costume but not calling himself Weapon Alpha/Omega, Vindicator or Guardian then what codename is he going to go by? If he decides to go by his name, "Michael Pointer" then at least change his costume and let someone else (Canadian) become the new Guardian.

[Mokole]

He can stay in Alaska like they had Talisman stay in Alberta. That'll take care of him.

He goes home to help rebuild, but it sounds like he's off the team.

[-K-M-]

Naaaa he's not off the team, and he didn't mean literally he wasn't going to go by those names he meant he was going to be his own hero not be what everyone else wants him to be. He still will be called Guardian.

[Mokole]

Once they make him the true evil character he should be, then bye to 'him'.

Michael Pointer should marry Jean Grey.

With how Snowbird finished up in Secret Invasion, Van Lente will get more of a push to write an ongoing AF than Koslowski will, since he avoided using AF members.

[Le Messor]

Actually, he never said anything about not using 'Vindicator'... and he has a lot to vindicatorise.

- Le Messor
"Facts all come with points of view
Facts don’t do what I want them to."

[Speedy92286]

Woot! First post :P

So, is this worth getting? I am only really familiar with Omega Flight(though I do wish to change that soon) so I don't have your biased view on Pointer, but is it a decent read?

[Le Messor]

Woot! First post :P

So, is this worth getting? I am only really familiar with Omega Flight(though I do wish to change that soon) so I don't have your biased view on Pointer, but is it a decent read?

Ah, there it is! I've seen your later posts before this.

It's a decent story, but nothing hugely special. It will be released in trade, apparently. If it's a good price, you might want to look into that.

- Le Messor
"Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently."
- Henry Ford

[Guardian]

I read it for the simple fact that USAgent (huge fan of him) and Arachne were in it. It was decent enough. I could care less about Pointer.

The Vanguard story was pretty good actually.

[Speedy92286]

Eh, Pointer is too emo for me. Am I imagining things, or almost every scene he is in Omega Flight shows him crying? Pssh, I don't like cry baby heroes.

Arachne is in it? I love her! US Agent is pretty cool, too. but Talisman and Bill tie for my favorite.

[DelBubs]

Been away for a while, but have returned with my own Internet connection now, so no restrictions. Anyways, bought this story in it's entirety as a TPB (Sits nicely next to the OMega Flight and Alpha Flight Classics books) and to be honest I really enjoyed it. Pointer to me comes out of it all as a very strong character who is worthy of wearing the suit. I look forward to more of his adventures.

[Mokole]

If they want Pointer (Weapon Omega) to stay on Flight then Northstar, Aurora, Box, Diamond Lil, Persuasion, Feedback, Pathway and Goblyn can't be on the team.

I'm no Pointer fan, but other people are.

[DelBubs]

I think the only way we could see the old members rejoin any Flight team would be to have the government sanctioned Omega and an independent Alpha acting outside any government interference. I get the impression that Marvel can't envisage Alpha actually carrying a book while an Omega book more in line with current Marvel ideas may.

[Mokole]

True, possibly, for Marvel thinking. But we do know that AF sells well, and that right now there are a lot of 'status quo' teams in Marvel, very predictable but nobody not mainstream anymore.

They could use a team made up of heroes fighting a defending whatever may come, not just mutants for mutants, Avengers with international stories against U.S.; there is definitely a lot of stories to be told with AF, such as:

- AF not only is on the outs with HAMMER but any SHIELD thing, since someone (or more) set up old AF to be killed by Pointer. Therefore, a team that isn't on good terms with the big guns.

- AF has a lot of mutant enemies and the X-Men are no longer friends, with Pointer on board.

- from mysctics to magic to mutants to just plain criminals, AF takes on them all, with Julian Lord (Is he the Master?) and others like Dreamqueen being the real threats

Nice to chat again, DelBubs.