Omega Flight News [Future]

[-K-M-]

Well Mike Oeming seems to be out, which is sad but I can understand as he does have a lot going on.

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=27737&page=26


mike, was curious, since omega flight was a success (both sales and imo story) if marvel asked you to write an ongoing would you take it? also, will we ever find out the real reason why marvel downgraded the series?


I'll be very honest with you-
No, I wouldnt. Im trying to simplify my life these days.

Since Im being extra honest here, will you believe me that there is and never was any more to the story of Omega Flights being downgraded to mini than what Marvel already told you? With all the books spinning out of Civil War, they just wanted to see how it would perform. Thats all it was.

Why they dont pick up the ball and run with it seeing as how it outsells more than a few of their ongoing titles? I have no idea.
M!

[-K-M-]

edit: Damn double posts

[varo]

this may explain why a series has not been picked up right away. 1 of 2 things may have happened:

1) they approached mike and scott about a ongoing, mike said no for the reasons he stated on his board and scott had already committed to dc.

2) tptb at marvel saw the potential for the series, but thought it could do better under a different creative team, and gave them mcp to get used to the characters for a possible ongoing.

either way i respect mike for being honest.

[Adam]

This is just a waiting game now. Omega proved that a Flight series can sell well, and with MCP keeping the ball in play for a year it gives Marvel the wiggle room to figure out where to go with it. Since the market proved it could support the property I can't imagine them walking away from it for long.

We're in WAY better shape then we were after Vol 3.

[cmdrkoenig67]

This is just a waiting game now. Omega proved that a Flight series can sell well, and with MCP keeping the ball in play for a year it gives Marvel the wiggle room to figure out where to go with it. Since the market proved it could support the property I can't imagine them walking away from it for long.

We're in WAY better shape then we were after Vol 3.

Sigh....No we're not, Adam. We're in slightly better shape than we were then, not way better.

According to every bit of info we have...Omega is dead in the water. Marvel's had plenty of time to decide what to do with OF...They don't need "wiggle room".

Mr Oeming and Mr Kolins know nothing of it's possible future, they would have been offered the chance at an an ongoing before anybody else (long before issue 5 of the mini was released) and according to everything they've said (I believe them, they're not lying like Q has lied to/misled us before)...There was no such offer. They both seem to be cutting ties to Marvel and don't seem at all pleased with Marvel's decisions about Omega (or Marvel's respect of their work and talents). To expect Marvel to pull an incredibly surprising successful Omega Flight revival out of their butts at any second (or worse yet...A full year after the mini ended) is just blind, unreasoning optimism, with no basis in reality.

Marvel Comics Presents' Weapon Omega story is an effort to make more money from desperate Alpha/Omega Flight fans without really giving us Alpha/Omega Flight and it will not help make an Omega Flight ongoing a reality!.

Dana

[SmurfInABlender]

no but what you arn't understandign is hypothetically if oeming turned down the offer, or scott did... they would need to find a new team who would work out storylines and figure out what to do with the characters becase that takes time to get started...so marvel would need time to create a GOOD ongoing because they know if they throw something together it sucks, the reason this one didn't was it had genuine thought and they might want time to put that thought in there and develop the new guardian a bit before doing that

[cmdrkoenig67]

no but what you arn't understandign is hypothetically if oeming turned down the offer, or scott did...

They couldn't turn down an offer that was never made, Smurf...And there's no such word as arn't.


they would need to find a new team who would work out storylines and figure out what to do with the characters becase that takes time to get started...

Um....Duh.


so marvel would need time to create a GOOD ongoing because they know if they throw something together it sucks, the reason this one didn't was it had genuine thought and they might want time to put that thought in there and develop the new guardian a bit before doing that

Um....Duh deux. Oeming and Kolins were not offered an ongoing, their planned ongoing was downsized to a mini at the last minute(as we all know) and I doubt very much Marvel plans on putting together another creative team to make an ongoing any time soon...The best we'll probably get is another mini next year by a new creative team(and that is me, being extremely optimistic).

If Mike and Scott knew of any plans to make an ongoing...I'm pretty sure they would have tipped us off, not to mention, they would have been offered the job...They were not, they were screwed over by Marvel execs and so were we.

Dana

[Corvus]

Well, this pretty much sucks.

[Le Messor]

may(be) they approached mike and scott about a ongoing, mike said no for the reasons he stated on his board and scott had already committed to dc.

Why they dont pick up the ball and run with it seeing as how it outsells more than a few of their ongoing titles? I have no idea.
M!

Okay, people, people! Do you see the contradiction? If Oeming had been offered a series and turned it down, he would know why Marvel 'dont (sic) pick up the ball and run with it'.


And there's no such word as arn't.

There is... now!
It's a perfectly cromulent word.


marvel would need time to create a GOOD ongoing because they know if they throw something together it sucks

Smurf, do try to keep up.

- Le Messor
"Every time I lose weight, it finds me again!"

[Legerd]

And there's no such word as arn't.

There is... now!
It's a perfectly cromulent word.



You embiggin us Le Messor with every post.

[Le Messor]

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

You embiggin us Le Messor with every post.

I can be quite silver-tongued at times.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Hmmmm...Or fork-tongued. :wink:

[mreeez]

Well, Baltimore Comic-Con Marvel panel come and gone and news on a new Young Avengers mini but nothing Flight related. Get used to it boys and girls.

[Le Messor]

It was going to be a silver spoon, but after a few too many encounters with acerbic werewolves, I realised I needed something sharper. So now, there is no spoon.

A new Young Avengers mini could be good news--if done by the original team. I mean, their series ends, (while they seemed to be on Cap's side) then they're suddenly background characters working for the Initiative.
What?

No Ω news... could be bad, could be good. Again, depending on creative team (there are times I'd prefer no series to the series we've got).

- Le Messor
"Everybody is entitled to my opinion."

[Mokole]

Clayton Crain is working on a series, but I doubt it's OF or AF, but anything could happen (OK, I'm being WAY too positive given who runs Marvel...). :wink:

[varo]

who's clayton crain?

[Canucklehead]

who's clayton crain?

Clayton Henry's alter ego. Had to change his name after the whole v3 fiasco. :wink:

[Mokole]

He did the Kiss comic book a bit, and I think some Ghostrider.

[mreeez]

Clayton Crain is working on a series, but I doubt it's OF or AF, but anything could happen (OK, I'm being WAY too positive given who runs Marvel...). :wink:

It's X-Force.

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/disassembled/X-Who.html

[cmdrkoenig67]

Oh look....Wolverine in yet another book...That's surprising.

Dana :roll:

[Dfense75]

Oh look....Wolverine in yet another book...That's surprising.

Dana :roll:

Yeah...It is a bit redundant isnt it?

[cmdrkoenig67]

Oh look....Wolverine in yet another book...That's surprising.

Dana :roll:

Yeah...It is a bit redundant isnt it?

Yup...It sucks even more that he's not in an Alpha-related book (IMO anyway)....I can dream...

Dana

[varo]

koslowski interview:

http://www.comicworldnews.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?column=headlines&page=1499

[cmdrkoenig67]

I guess Pointer getting "fleshed out" means having to be saved by U.S. Agent (when he should have a flippin' force field) and constantly trying to prove himself? Did the Canadian govt not give him any training between the Omega Flight mini and the MCP stories?

Ugh...

Dana

[HappyCanuck]

Did the Canadian govt not give him any training between the Omega Flight mini and the MCP stories?

Dana

.... Is that a rhetorical question??

When has the Canadian gov't (at least of the MCU) ever trained their operatives? Look at the original Beta and Gamma Flights: Because of ONE LITTLE f***-up, the government not only disbands Alpha Flight, but then tells the rest of the misanthropes and serial killers to just go about their business like good little gerbils, don't worry about your future, or the months/years of training you have been put through. Not like it was a significant part of your life or anything.....

[cmdrkoenig67]

Did the Canadian govt not give him any training between the Omega Flight mini and the MCP stories?

Dana

.... Is that a rhetorical question??

Pretty much...Yeah. :P


When has the Canadian gov't (at least of the MCU) ever trained their operatives? Look at the original Beta and Gamma Flights: Because of ONE LITTLE f***-up, the government not only disbands Alpha Flight, but then tells the rest of the misanthropes and serial killers to just go about their business like good little gerbils, don't worry about your future, or the months/years of training you have been put through. Not like it was a significant part of your life or anything.....

I think they (Beta and Gamma) were trained, though....They had to have been...Especially if they moved from Gamma to Beta.

Dana :D

[SephirothsKiller]

.... Is that a rhetorical question??

When has the Canadian gov't (at least of the MCU) ever trained their operatives? Look at the original Beta and Gamma Flights: Because of ONE LITTLE f***-up, the government not only disbands Alpha Flight, but then tells the rest of the misanthropes and serial killers to just go about their business like good little gerbils, don't worry about your future, or the months/years of training you have been put through. Not like it was a significant part of your life or anything.....

Wolverine was trained. He just went crazy. Its not the the Canadian gov't doesn't train their operatives, its just that they all end up having severe mental defects.

Aurora,
Jeffries (the brainwashing),
Bochs,
Walter (counting Tanaraq as a mental issue),
Wolverine,
Much of original OF,
Michael Pointer,
Wild Child,
etc...

[SephirothsKiller]

Oh look....Wolverine in yet another book...That's surprising.

Dana :roll:

I won't lie. I think that book looks amazing. Just take Wolverine away from NA and Astonishing to have it make sense.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I don't know...I have a problem with them portraying Wolfsbane in the role of Black Ops killer, though. Granted, she's wolf-like and sometimes feral...But she's always been the opposite of her outside appearance.

Dana

[Dfense75]

I don't know...I have a problem with them portraying Wolfsbane in the role of Black Ops killer, though. Granted, she's wolf-like and sometimes feral...But she's always been the opposite of her outside appearance.

Dana

I agree. I have been reading X-Factor and this would seem out of character for her. Unless something happens to change that character. Hurm...

[jay042]

If it was Feral, that might make more sense. Rhane is too much of a good girl to involve herself in something like this.

[SephirothsKiller]

I don't know...I have a problem with them portraying Wolfsbane in the role of Black Ops killer, though. Granted, she's wolf-like and sometimes feral...But she's always been the opposite of her outside appearance.

Dana

Rahne is supposed to take a big hit during messiah complex though, and it wouldn't surprise me to see her go over the edge. Her Wolfish nature is with her at all times, and if it becomes stronger she could easily remain constantly feral. It is worth noting that in the past she has in the past come close to identifying and living as a wolf and abandoning her humanity.


If it was feral, that might make more sense. Rahne is too much of a good girl to involve herself in something like this.

I have an issue of Executioner's Song that suggests Rahne would be much better than Feral at taking people down. She rips Feral apart.

[Garry/Al-Fan]

...Wolverine was trained. He just went crazy. Its not the the Canadian gov't doesn't train their operatives, its just that they all end up having severe mental defects.

Aurora,
Jeffries (the brainwashing),
Bochs,
Walter (counting Tanaraq as a mental issue),
Wolverine,
Much of original OF,
Michael Pointer,
Wild Child,
etc...

....is instead giving them (or helping to worsen) "severe mental defects." Heather and Puck were brainwashed by their own government---taken down by Epsilons and forced to remain a part of "Alpha Flight" against their will---in the second series. Clarke and Chasin laid the groundwork for this twisted Dept. H in the 1st series.

[Flightpath07]

OKay, a little off topic of what has been discussed in the last few posts, I'd like to get back to the "what is the future actually holding" for Alpha Flight thread of this topic, if that is alright with everyone?

When it comes to Pointer, and what has been revealed/hinted-at in MCP1, does anybody else get the sense that, if his powers are draining or lessening, and if he is slowly losing what little control he has, then something big in the Marvel U may be upcoming involving him, say right about the time (or soon after) that his MCP run ends?

I mean, I may be wrong here (and I know that Dana doesn't care, and i am not so sure that I do either truth to tell), but wouldn't this seem to be leading to a return to the old "Mutants-R-Us" Marvel U that we were used to (and so sick of) earlier? Somehow, something happens to Pointer, and he releases some sort of power that allows mutants to be born once again. Makes sense, doesn't it? Or, perhaps he becomes so very dangerous that he sacrifices himself in the upcomingh Skrull war to save all of humanity (man, that would suck, wouldn't it?)?

Thoughts?

[Mokole]

You never know. Maybe he has their signature x-gene stuff and he'll somehow lose it to repopulate the world as mutanst, which to me is a bad idea. Mutants as irreleveant but scary minority works, mutants as the future of humanity fails.