Ultimate Alpha Flight

[-K-M-]

Well it's finally time:

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=8997

[varo]

i really hope thats not them on the cover.

[-K-M-]

i really hope thats not them on the cover.

"and introduces a team of X-Men like you’ve never seen before! "

I think it's the new X-Men team

[birdygirl]

I'll echo Varo's statement. I wonder who those characters on the cover are supposed to be? I recognized Nightcrawler, but who are the other two? And I hope this isn't another ersatz group posing as Alpha Flight; we can all remember how a situation like that is going to end up.

[-K-M-]

Apparently Sasquatch was said to be killed off-panel in "Shock and Awe" [Ultimate X-men] arc. So I wonder if he will appear

[birdygirl]

Marvel doesn't spare anyone, do they? Particularly a character from Alpha Flight. :x

[varo]

i really hope thats not them on the cover.

"and introduces a team of X-Men like you’ve never seen before! "

I think it's the new X-Men team


ahhhhh.....

thank god.

well it's obviously beak and nightcrawler, not sure who the girls i. maybe dazzler?

i really hope ultimate alpha has some alpha flight members.

[birdygirl]

Me, too! I'd also like to see some original Alpha members, (particularly Birdie, Talisman, the twins, Sasquatch, and whoever Marvel lets live).

[-K-M-]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's Dazzler, and I wonder if Sasquatch will even appear

[Mokole]

I'd guess the X-tem they are using is Nightcrawler, Beak, Dazzler, and who cares. :P

It's Ultimate AF that draws my attention and we don't see them on the cover.

[-K-M-]

They might appear on the last page or something in this issue, but I bet they will be on the cover in the next issue

So I wonder if the story is like UXM #120-121, but instead of Wolverine it's Northstar

[mos_def]

What makes me mad is that Walt got killed off panel. OFF PANEL. Its bad our squad gets hacked by Marvel every which way but now we get the off panel death. That is like a spit in the face

[cmdrkoenig67]

Then maybe everyone here shouldn't be getting their hopes up about Ultimate Alpha Flight...Seriously!

Marvel seems to be looking at everything Alpha as being expendable cannon-fodder. I/We don't know what's in store for UAF, but I doubt it has anything to do with them being very long-lived.

Dana

[-K-M-]

Marvel seems to be looking at everything Alpha as being expendable cannon-fodder. I/We don't know what's in store for UAF, but I doubt it has anything to do with them being very long-lived.

Thinking the same thing, even mentioned it on another board as well :cry:

[-K-M-]

What makes me mad is that Walt got killed off panel. OFF PANEL. Its bad our squad gets hacked by Marvel every which way but now we get the off panel death. That is like a spit in the face

Well I just read the issue today, and I seriously doubt it was Walter.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/16.jpg

[-K-M-]

ULTIMATE X-MEN #96
Written by ARON ELI COLIETE
Penciled by MARK BROOKS
Cover by GABRIELE DELL’OTTO

X-Men vs. X-Men! After their attack on Alpha Flight, Colossus and his team are wanted fugitives! Worse, they’ve become addicted to the insidious drug known as Banshee! Now it’s up to the other X-Men to take them down. Yes, it’s mutant vs. mutant! When the X-Men go to war with each other, who wins? Plus, the startling revelation of Jean Grey! Where did she go after defeating Apocalypse? Find out here!

32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99
====
Cover didn't reveal anything so didn't add it, and after "their" attack on Alpha Flight? So the X-Men start a fight, and now their fugitives? Uh oh does someone die or is it more an international incident

[-K-M-]

From a recent interview, we can expect Vindicator, Aurora and Shaman for sure to make their apperance.

[Mokole]

Vindicator as in Heather??

[-K-M-]

Vindicator as in Heather??

Unknown, the writer just said Vindicator

[Legerd]

From a recent interview, we can expect Vindicator, Aurora and Shaman for sure to make their apperance.

Can you post a link to the interview or say where you saw this?

[-K-M-]

Things I do for this board :wink:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/PWJ_19_DCP_017.jpg

[birdygirl]

Thanks, King Mungi! I appreciate what you do for the board, believe me!

[-K-M-]

"And who in the world is Ultimate Alpha Flight? "

Geh I wonder :?

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16353

[Le Messor]

Things I do for this board :wink:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/PWJ_19_DCP_017.jpg

Now I wish I hadn't skimmed over that article last night...
(rushes upstairs and reads it closer)

Now I really wish I hadn't. That guy is Funny! :)

- Le Messor
"It rhymes with Schmalpha Flight. And Shindicator. And Shaurora. And Shaman... That one didn't work so well."
- him.

[Puckeroo]

According to Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Flight

Ultimate Alpha Flight debuts in Ultimate X-Men #94 with a male Vindicator, Shaman,Jubilee,Sunfire, Sasquatch,Snowbird and Aurora

edit
OMG LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d10/jpike/ultimate-x-men-20080514101146493.jpg



edit2-the article
DX
http://comics.ign.com/articles/874/874171p1.html

[-K-M-]

Well I like some of their looks, others....not so much

Also Jubliee and Sunfire as Alpha Flight members? I can see Sunfire, but Jubliee?

[Ryan Maxwell]

I had a thread going on the Byrne forum for about 10 minutes, but it mysteriously vanished...

[DelBubs]

Snowbird is Danni Moonstar and Sasquatch is Taurus :lol: , Interesting. Vindicator looks kinda fun, might well pick this up due to intrique.

[varo]

macs ears need to be tucked away, and sasquatch.....blech. i agree, sunfire i can see, but not jubillee.

[varo]

upon further review, thats not mac, it looks like a combination of major mapleleaf and guardian and whats with all the red lights on vindicator?

[-K-M-]

Sasquatch looks awful, and Vindicator is a christmas tree

Kinda like Shaman, Snowbird and Sunfire designs, but that's about it.

[Puckeroo]

I agree with ya

[birdygirl]

I agree with both of you, and want to add, why does Snowbird look more like Talisman?

[rplass]

I like how the Maple Leaf design is integrated into Vindicator's costume. It's very well done, I think.

Aurora's tube top? Yeah, not so much.

Love,
rplass

[Corvus]

upon further review, thats not mac, it looks like a combination of major mapleleaf and guardian and whats with all the red lights on vindicator?

I can only assume that they're the red goal lights from behind a hockey net. :)

Snowbird looks an awful lot like Talisman. An amalgam of the 616 Talisman and Snowbird characters maybe?

[Mokole]

I too wonder who Snoebird is. Possibly Talisman, yes. I like the basic design of Vindicator's costume. I wonder who he is (better not be Pointer!).

The team looks OK, but are they making Jubilee and Sunfire Canadians? The reference to the Ultimates makes it sound like their more Avengers than mutants. Seems like Colossus is still a mafia criminal again, hope AF is treated well. Starting by taking out Iceman and Wolverine ain't bad. Of course, they'll lose badly in the end, but may come back in issue 98.

[-K-M-]

I can see Colossus steam rolling them as the story arc is suppose to focus around him and if Alpha Flight is there for Northstar he is going to fight tooth and nail for him. Also there is supposed to be serious consequences from this, so perhaps he kills a few members? *shrugs*

Also I think Snowbird being native american makes far more sense then a blonde model. She is a native american goddess after all :wink:

[cmdrkoenig67]

I can see Colossus steam rolling them as the story arc is suppose to focus around him and if Alpha Flight is there for Northstar he is going to fight tooth and nail for him. Also there is supposed to be serious consequences from this, so perhaps he kills a few members? *shrugs*

Also I think Snowbird being native american makes far more sense then a blonde model. She is a native american goddess after all :wink:

It only makes sense if she has a Native American/Inuit father. The only reason Narya of 616 Alpha is white and blonde, is because her father was.

Dana

[-K-M-]

It only makes sense if she has a Native American/Inuit father. The only reason Narya of 616 Alpha is white and blonde, is because her father was.

Dana

You can pick up your genetic traits from your mother, but I was going with a more practical sense of her being native american herself rather then a blonde story-wise [not genetic wise].

[Mokole]

An image with words from Hercules:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0805/16/hercules1176.htm

[varo]

i bet that has something to do with being asked to join omega, and snowbirds feelings towards pointer.


at least i hope.

[-K-M-]

i bet that has something to do with being asked to join omega, and snowbirds feelings towards pointer.


at least i hope.

Yeah that's what I think as well

[cmdrkoenig67]

It only makes sense if she has a Native American/Inuit father. The only reason Narya of 616 Alpha is white and blonde, is because her father was.

Dana

You can pick up your genetic traits from your mother, but I was going with a more practical sense of her being native american herself rather then a blonde story-wise [not genetic wise].

Does her mother have genes? As far as her appearance, she totally could have chosen to look like a First Nations woman, she is a shape-shifter after all.

[cmdrkoenig67]

As for "Ultimate" Alpha Flight (more like Ralpha Flight)....They look absolutely awful (IMHO). Most of their costumes are really horrible. Snowbird's snow bunny outfit looks ridiculous, Vindicator looks like a moron. Aurora's costume would flip down over her breasts instantly at high speed flight (bad, bad designs) and Sasquatch looks equally stupid (with his multiple piercings and pigtails). Jubilee and Sunfire...WTF?!

...And I thought Volume 3 and killing off Alpha Flight was bad...

Dana :roll:

[-K-M-]

Does her mother have genes? As far as her appearance, she totally could have chosen to look like a First Nations woman, she is a shape-shifter after all.

I'm sure she has a form of DNA, even Thor and Odin do but no way am I'm going to try to explain how God/Goddess can have kids. :?

Well even as a baby she was always the blonde

[Mokole]

Oh, I'm not too worried yet about UAF. We may get explanations and the characters may be written well.

[-K-M-]

They might be written very well, but I agree with cmdrkoenig67 with UAF looks silly. All though I do like Snowbird's new look :wink:

[cmdrkoenig67]

Does her mother have genes? As far as her appearance, she totally could have chosen to look like a First Nations woman, she is a shape-shifter after all.

I'm sure she has a form of DNA, even Thor and Odin do but no way am I'm going to try to explain how God/Goddess can have kids. :?

Well even as a baby she was always the blonde

That's what I'm saying (the Gods of the North are mostly in spirit form, anyway)...Maybe when Shaman bound her to Canada and a human form and the only human genes she had were her father's, so she instinctively took a form (as a baby) that used those genes. Not to mention, look at the form her mother took, when she wanted Eastman to mate with her (a blonde, white woman), not that the form she took may have mattered in genetics.

The Gods of the North aren't human (they only take humanoid form), they are extra-dimensional alien beings...Maybe they only look Native American/Inuit, because that's how the first people that they encountered looked.

[cmdrkoenig67]

As far as the way Alpha is written?

http://comics.ign.com/articles/874/874171p1.html

Looks pretty bad to me...Already we have a team who has attacked one of the X-Men (Iceman) and yet Vindicator says "We don't have a fight with you" (paraphrased)...Again, Alpha is written as heavy-handed bullies (just as they were in their original X-Men appearances)...Nothing new.

Dana

[rplass]

I still can't get Aurora's tube top out of my head.

Beyond the whole, "how does it stay on?" thing, wouldn't the opening in the front catch the air as she flew? If she were going real fast, it would :shock: and :lol: , wouldn't it?

It seems a poor choice of costume for a fast flyer, especially for a woman shaped like JM.

Love,
rplass

[Le Messor]

I still can't get Aurora's tube top out of my head.

Have you tried Vaseline? :oops:

Why's Shaman in leather? (It looks cool, just not in character.)

I keep 'reading' Vindy's maple leaf 'backwards' as a white M, not a red leaf. Even when I know what it is.
Maybe they're landing lights?

Sas reminds me of something... Fantasy troll? I don't know.

I've never been a fan of the Ultimate Universe (UU), and this isn't converting me.

- Le Messor
"Fidelity: A virtue peculiar to those who are about to be betrayed."

[-K-M-]

That's what I'm saying (the Gods of the North are mostly in spirit form, anyway)...Maybe when Shaman bound her to Canada and a human form and the only human genes she had were her father's, so she instinctively took a form (as a baby) that used those genes. Not to mention, look at the form her mother took, when she wanted Eastman to mate with her (a blonde, white woman), not that the form she took may have mattered in genetics.

The Gods of the North aren't human (they only take humanoid form), they are extra-dimensional alien beings...Maybe they only look Native American/Inuit, because that's how the first people that they encountered looked.

The Hercules series is showing them to have more a humanoid form rather then mostly being spirit, but it's kinda hard and silly to actually debate about genetics with a God having a child. Which mind you I wasn't debating the first place, I was talking more of a story point as being a Native American Goddess would make sense if she looked similar to her kin, but it's not a huge deal

[firestar]

Why's Shaman in leather? (It looks cool, just not in character.)

Sas reminds me of something... Fantasy troll? I don't know.
"
i kinda of like shaman's look, to be honest....(and it's the only one), besides, for what is concerning Sasquatch, it reminds me of a ix of a troll, a very evil and wild sasquatch and, i don't know why, but in the moemnt isa w this, it came in my mind bachalo's design for Sabretooth...

[birdygirl]

Just to backtrack a little, I saw the panels,( with words), from Incredible Herciles #117. It just blew me away! :D Glad to see Birdie getting the credit from the Arctic gods for her conquering the Great Beasts. Can't wait to see the rest of the issue! :D Thanks, Mokole!

[-K-M-]

U.Shaman looks like Turok

[Mokole]

Just to backtrack a little, I saw the panels,( with words), from Incredible Herciles #117. It just blew me away! :D Glad to see Birdie getting the credit from the Arctic gods for her conquering the Great Beasts. Can't wait to see the rest of the issue! :D Thanks, Mokole!

Gosh, you're welcome! Nice to see van Lente calling out Snowbird as a big hitter.

[rplass]

Sasquatch?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6f/Where_The_Wild_Things_Are.jpg

[-K-M-]

SPOILERS



Well this isn't our Alpha Flight that's for sure:
-AF easily defeats the X-Men
-Snowbird has ice/weather powers
-Sasquatch has a history with Rogue as she touched him before, but she doesn't know who it is
-Shaman is a mutant and easily defeats Cyclops and Havok
-Aurora can move faster then light and can steal speed away from people
-Well it definetly was a "different" take, guess we have to wait and see where this goes



END SPOILERS

[mreeez]

SPOILERS



Well this isn't our Alpha Flight that's for sure:
-AF easily defeats the X-Men
-Snowbird has ice/weather powers
-Sasquatch has a history with Rogue as she touched him before, but she doesn't know who it is
-Shaman is a mutant and easily defeats Cyclops and Havok
-Aurora can move faster then light and can steal speed away from people
-Well it definetly was a "different" take, guess we have to wait and see where this goes



END SPOILERS


Me like. It breaks the mold of thikning about AF that most people have so I like the variations.

[-K-M-]

Oh and their also junkies.... :roll:

[cmdrkoenig67]

Oh and their also junkies.... :roll:

What?!

[-K-M-]

What?!

The reason they are so strong is they take this steriod called "Banshee" the same steroid Colossus uses. Yeah I know...awesome :roll:

[rplass]

Sasquatch?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/26/Grendler.JPG/150px-Grendler.JPG

[Grendler from Earth 2]

[cmdrkoenig67]

What?!

The reason they are so strong is they take this steriod called "Banshee" the same steroid Colossus uses. Yeah I know...awesome :roll:

Oh good lloyd! So much for a positive depiction of the team.

Dana :roll:

[HappyCanuck]

What?!

The reason they are so strong is they take this steriod called "Banshee" the same steroid Colossus uses. Yeah I know...awesome :roll:

Oh good lloyd! So much for a positive depiction of the team.

Dana :roll:

Well, frankly, Dana, I gave up on ANY "positive" description on ANYTHING in the Ultimate books... They are Marvel's way to take a GOOD idea and bastardize the snot out of them to whatever degree they can. I honestly haven't picked up or even looked at any Ultimate comic since Ultimate X-Men #15-ish

[cmdrkoenig67]

True...True.

Dana :P

[rplass]

Sasquatch?

http://www.starwars.com/databank/species/gamorrean/img/movie_sm.jpg

[Le Messor]

Sasquatch?

http://www.mrmforce.com/images/wampa.jpg

[JustinM]

Yeah, it was definitely a case of "interesting, but not good".

Although I've always wondered about the whole "property of the Canadian government". That just creeps me out. Can't they just say "You're AWOL" and leave it at that?

edit: and it also appears that the Vindicator is not the Vindicator/Guardian/Weapon Alpha Wolverine is familiar with as he doesn't know who Wolverine is, and the Sasquatch is probably another character with a new Banshee inspired set of powers, as he has encountered Rogue before.

So they're all new characters with Banshee inspired powers.

JJ Mohareb

[Le Messor]

Sasquatch?
[Grendler from Earth 2]


I thought those looked familiar...
But I've just had a realisey!

Sasquatch was in Earth 2!

Clancy Brown, who played Sas in the Hulk cartoon (is that ep on Youtube? I've still never seen it) was in Earth 2.

- Le Messor
"Finagle’s First Law: If an experiment works, something has gone wrong."

[rplass]

Yeah, we did this in 2006:

http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtopic.php?t=1177

I called it first! By two years! I win! Earth 2 is still awesome by the way.

Love,
rplass

[Manikin]

Am I the only one who enjoyed the idea of Alpha Flight being bad guys? Or at least misunderstood, misguided, heroes being led by a corrupt government? I quite enjoyed the idea. I think there is tremendous room for growth, and even a bit of them turning to the side of good.

As for Sasquatch, I doubt that it's Walter, I don't recall anyone calling him by name. Anything can be different in this Ultimate universe. They even remark that Banshee can give normal humans powers. Vindicator might be getting his powers from the drug, the red pylon looking things on his suit might be giving him the powers via constant injection. Snowbird looks like she is Elizabeth Twoyoungmen instead of Narya. Shaman might even be someone else, though I am not sure who else he might be.

I like it, I plan to keep buying this title as long as UAF is part of the plot.

[firestar]

Snowbird looks like she is Elizabeth Twoyoungmen instead of Narya.
i don't know, i kinda of think she is narya, with just a different look; at first, i had the idea of Elizabeth (well, soemone in a comic with my same name... is this the reason i like her so much?) me too, but reading the conversation between she and ororo, it seems to me she really beleives she is, at least in part, a deity...

"you call yourself a goddess, but you're nothing but a cow"

[Puckeroo]

SPOILERS



Well this isn't our Alpha Flight that's for sure:
-AF easily defeats the X-Men
-Snowbird has ice/weather powers
-Sasquatch has a history with Rogue as she touched him before, but she doesn't know who it is
-Shaman is a mutant and easily defeats Cyclops and Havok
-Aurora can move faster then light and can steal speed away from people
-Well it definetly was a "different" take, guess we have to wait and see where this goes



END SPOILERS

you forgot the drugs.

[-K-M-]

I mentioned it a few posts later

[rplass]

I didn't get the whole, "Snowbird is a combat pilot" thing. I really think that it ought to have been Vindicator flying the plane, or a Dept. H. operative. It just seemed odd to have Snowbird be a pilot, since she can fly on her own. Dunno, I've just seen her for a few panels, but she didn't seem like the pilot type to me.

Otherwise I really liked the issue, especially the beautiful art on the pages right before the attack during the ball game. That one panel with Vindicator blasting Wolverine to Maine is totally awesome.

Love,
rplass

[cmdrkoenig67]

Wolverine is in Maine now? Cool.

:P

[rplass]

Nah, he made it back to Westchester by hitching rides and stuff. It's pretty far [as considered by citizens of the NE US] from Maine to Westchester, about 5 hours driving, not including any time waiting around. Later in the book he makes it back to the school.

Love,
rplass

[maniac mike]

Over at marvel.com they have some more tidbits 'bout Ultimate AF and some preview art to boot too!

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.3740.Ultimate_Introductions

[Legerd]

Does anyone else wonder if the Ultimate Guardian is Feedback, the mutant from the East Coast who showed up at the end of the first AF series?

[Manikin]

Does anyone else wonder if the Ultimate Guardian is Feedback, the mutant from the East Coast who showed up at the end of the first AF series?

Nope :) Wasn't feedback depowered?

[-K-M-]

Nope :) Wasn't feedback depowered?

I don't think it was revealed if he was, but most likely

[varo]

yet another writer with a love for alpha flight, yet no alpha ongoing....

*sigh*


From a plot standpoint, the introduction of Alpha Flight makes sense because they, according to Coleite, "are integral at finding the roots of this mysterious drug [Banshee] and its origins." However, the Flight holds personal appeal for writer as well as he has "had a love for this team since I first started collecting."

Playing his cards close, Coleite offers only a few hints about what readers can look for coming up with Ultimate Alpha Flight:

"This is a more international team for a reason. More will be revealed in issue #95. Sasquatch's identity will be revealed in issue #95. You'll have to wait for Vindicator's. But that will come soon enough."

[rplass]

LANGKOWSKI with a K. I bet the writer used the "Official" Handbook with the spelling error. Grr...

In the preview art, it looks as if Shaman gets knocked around, the impossibly curvy Snowbird gets blown away, a round-eared Aurora gets spooked, and it's not exactly clear what's happening to Sasquatch, but it's something purply and bad. At least mysterio-Vindicator gets some Alpha Flight butt-kickin' in for good! He seems to be the most powerful of the bunch.

For the record, I can't tell if Aurora's still wearing her tube top. Rrwow!!

Love,
rplass

[Legerd]

Does anyone else wonder if the Ultimate Guardian is Feedback, the mutant from the East Coast who showed up at the end of the first AF series?

Nope :) Wasn't feedback depowered?

I'm talking the Ultimate version of Feedback, not the 616 version.

[Manikin]

I'm talking the Ultimate version of Feedback, not the 616 version.

Ah. Indeed that would make sense considering...that. Heh, sorry. Though I doubt that anyone in Marvel even remembers who Feedback was these days, let alone want to resurrect the character for an Ultimates series. But who knows. If they bring Feedback into the Ultimates maybe there is a chance that they will put Manikin somewhere in the Ultimates Universe too. That would be fun.

[Mokole]

Whoever Sasquatch and Vindicator are. I'm guessing Americans. Maybe Sasquatch will be Doc Samson and Vindicator... maybe, I don't know who to guess.

[Le Messor]

I didn't get the whole, "Snowbird is a combat pilot" thing. I really think that it ought to have been Vindicator flying the plane, or a Dept. H. operative. It just seemed odd to have Snowbird be a pilot, since she can fly on her own.

Interesting... First, you've all seen my CG Sasquatch. If I get around to doing the others (the twins would be next), my Mac costume will be based on a fighter pilot's jump suit (I'm going to be trying to combine real clothes with superhero uniforms).
Second, and I'm not disagreeing with you that somebody else would make more sense as a pilot; why shouldn't Snowbird fly a plane?
I can walk, but I've got a car.
And a bicycle.
(edit: I just checked, and the patch on my bike's tyre is holding up! Yay!)

- Le Messor
"Finance is the art of passing money from hand to hand until it finally disappears."
- Robert W. Sarnoff

[rplass]

I can't exactly put my finger on it... it just doesn't seem to make sense to me. I have no problem with Jean Grey piloting the X-craft, or Heather Hudson piloting an Alphajet.. so I know it's not some anti-woman pilot thing. See, it just seems that I'm used to Snowbird being more aloof, as if she's more of a nature-person, connected with animals and the great outdoors, that sort of thing, and not an adrenaline tech-junkie combat pilot type.

Love,
rplass

[-K-M-]

Well here's the spoilers


-Rahne Sinclair ie. Wolfsbane is revealed to be Sasquatch, so my guess Dana Moonstone is Snowbird and Warpath is Shaman. Uuuuuh...
-X-Men w/Banshee fight Alpha Flight and their basically losing until Cyclops amps up
-Wolverine tested positive with Banshee, but doesn't recall when he did it
-Rogue reveals she killed her father when he was drunk he would touch her in sexual ways, but then her powers kicked in killing him
-Cyclops revealed he accidently killed his foster parents when his mutant powers kicked in
-Northstar is overdosing on Banshee and looks like he has died at the end of the issue from it.


Errrr...yeah

[HappyCanuck]

Well here's the spoilers


-Rahne Sinclair ie. Wolfsbane is revealed to be Sasquatch, so my guess Dana Moonstone is Snowbird and Warpath is Shaman. Uuuuuh...
-X-Men w/Banshee fight Alpha Flight and their basically losing until Cyclops amps up
-Rogue reveals she killed her father when he was drunk he would touch her in sexual ways, but then her powers kicked in killing him
-Cyclops revealed he accidently killed his foster parents when his mutant powers kicked in
-Northstar is overdosing on Banshee and looks like has died at the end of the issue from it.


Errrr...yeah


Sooooo, instead of Alpha Flight we get X-Force.... well, ONE bright side, at least: It wasn't drawn by Liefield!!

[Mokole]

And why is it called Alpha Flight????

Rahne can make sense as a crazed mutant on Banshee, but Moonstar as Snowbird, given that Ultimate Snowbird is Inuit...

Warpath as Shaman is equally unlikely, given how small Shaman is and his looks/abilities don't line up well with the real Shaman.

WHEN Alpha Flight returns, it had better be with a more Canadian line-up!

[-K-M-]

Rahne can make sense as a crazed mutant on Banshee, but Moonstar as Snowbird, given that Ultimate Snowbird is Inuit...

Warpath as Shaman is equally unlikely, given how small Shaman is and his looks/abilities don't line up well with the real Shaman.

This Alpha Flight polices the world not Canada, which is kinda interesting

Sorry I meant to type Danielle Moonstar, she really is a spitting image of her.

Why is it? Warpath (James Proudstar) is a mutant with superhuman strength and durability who can fly who is also quite built. Plus he is native american so it really does make sense if ultimate Shaman is Warpath. Even John Proudstar (James' brother) went by Shaman in Exiles

[cmdrkoenig67]

LMAO! This has got to be a joke, right? You guys are buying and supporting this?

Dana :shock:


Well here's the spoilers


-Rahne Sinclair ie. Wolfsbane is revealed to be Sasquatch, so my guess Dana Moonstone is Snowbird and Warpath is Shaman. Uuuuuh...
-X-Men w/Banshee fight Alpha Flight and their basically losing until Cyclops amps up
-Wolverine tested positive with Banshee, but doesn't recall when he did it
-Rogue reveals she killed her father when he was drunk he would touch her in sexual ways, but then her powers kicked in killing him
-Cyclops revealed he accidently killed his foster parents when his mutant powers kicked in
-Northstar is overdosing on Banshee and looks like he has died at the end of the issue from it.


Errrr...yeah

[cmdrkoenig67]

Rahne can make sense as a crazed mutant on Banshee, but Moonstar as Snowbird, given that Ultimate Snowbird is Inuit...

Warpath as Shaman is equally unlikely, given how small Shaman is and his looks/abilities don't line up well with the real Shaman.

This Alpha Flight polices the world not Canada, which is kinda interesting

Sorry I meant to type Danielle Moonstar, she really is a spitting image of her.

Why is it? Warpath (James Proudstar) is a mutant with superhuman strength and durability who can fly who is also quite built. Plus he is native american so it really does make sense if ultimate Shaman is Warpath. Even John Proudstar (James' brother) went by Shaman in Exiles

The only way it makes sense, is if all Native Americans/Native Canadians/First Nations People/Indians are interchangeable...I find that idea to be highly offensive. Marvel has already pulled this particular alternate Earth Thunderbird is Shaman crap once, why the hell are they doing it again?

I'm really starting to get the feeling that Marvel is being run by the chauvinistic, bigoted boy club.

Dana

[HappyCanuck]

I'm really starting to get the feeling that Marvel is being run by the chauvinistic, bigoted boy club.

Um.... "Starting"??

And I agree with Dana that this is VERY insulting, lumping all First Nations/Natives in the same interchangeable catagory. Yes, I'm so very White that I'm damn-near transparent, but I was raised a minority in the North, where there is a 50% Native population, so I feel more akin to them than I do other Caucasians.

[Manikin]

cmdrkoenig67 wrote: The only way it makes sense, is if all Native Americans/Native Canadians/First Nations People/Indians are interchangeable...I find that idea to be highly offensive. Marvel has already pulled this particular alternate Earth Thunderbird is Shaman crap once, why the hell are they doing it again?

I'm really starting to get the feeling that Marvel is being run by the chauvinistic, bigoted boy club.

and...


HappyCanuck wrote: And I agree with Dana that this is VERY insulting, lumping all First Nations/Natives in the same interchangeable catagory. Yes, I'm so very White that I'm damn-near transparent, but I was raised a minority in the North, where there is a 50% Native population, so I feel more akin to them than I do other Caucasians.

Ok. I can understand if some of us are upset that the Alpha Flight team is not what we would have wanted it to be. However, does this really warrant getting offended? I might also go so far as to remind everyone that this is fiction. One persons perception of what they feel might make for an interesting story.

Now, I read the comic yesterday, and I didn't noticed anyone referring to Shaman as any name other than Shaman. Yes, I also think it is James Proudstar, mostly because he seemed to have enhanced senses and could smell sulfur through walls. But it hasn't been revealed yet.

As for Snowbird, again I didn't notice anyone refer to her as anything other than Snowbird. She could just as easily be Elizabeth Twoyoungmen instead. But I am going check again when I get home.

Obviously the writer has a plan to divulge more about Alpha Flight as the story progresses, should we really be picking it apart to the point were someone who hasn't even read the comic is fully hating it? I am not ignoring the obvious problems with the team, but I am accepting what I am being given because it isn't what I would expect. That's why I find it interesting. I may even be the only one enjoying the comic. :P

But getting upset or offended over it isn't going to change the way people perceive a culture that isn't their own. It's why all African American characters talk slang, why all Asian characters know karate, and why all female characters have huge boobs. But who cares? It's just fiction.

[mreeez]

cmdrkoenig67 wrote: The only way it makes sense, is if all Native Americans/Native Canadians/First Nations People/Indians are interchangeable...I find that idea to be highly offensive. Marvel has already pulled this particular alternate Earth Thunderbird is Shaman crap once, why the hell are they doing it again?

I'm really starting to get the feeling that Marvel is being run by the chauvinistic, bigoted boy club.

and...


HappyCanuck wrote: And I agree with Dana that this is VERY insulting, lumping all First Nations/Natives in the same interchangeable catagory. Yes, I'm so very White that I'm damn-near transparent, but I was raised a minority in the North, where there is a 50% Native population, so I feel more akin to them than I do other Caucasians.

Ok. I can understand if some of us are upset that the Alpha Flight team is not what we would have wanted it to be. However, does this really warrant getting offended? I might also go so far as to remind everyone that this is fiction. One persons perception of what they feel might make for an interesting story.

Now, I read the comic yesterday, and I didn't noticed anyone referring to Shaman as any name other than Shaman. Yes, I also think it is James Proudstar, mostly because he seemed to have enhanced senses and could smell sulfur through walls. But it hasn't been revealed yet.

As for Snowbird, again I didn't notice anyone refer to her as anything other than Snowbird. She could just as easily be Elizabeth Twoyoungmen instead. But I am going check again when I get home.

Obviously the writer has a plan to divulge more about Alpha Flight as the story progresses, should we really be picking it apart to the point were someone who hasn't even read the comic is fully hating it? I am not ignoring the obvious problems with the team, but I am accepting what I am being given because it isn't what I would expect. That's why I find it interesting. I may even be the only one enjoying the comic. :P

But getting upset or offended over it isn't going to change the way people perceive a culture that isn't their own. It's why all African American characters talk slang, why all Asian characters know karate, and why all female characters have huge boobs. But who cares? It's just fiction.

I agree, getting bent about a portrayal in an Ultimate line is silly especially since the whole plot has yet to be revealed.

Remember, Wolverine assumed Vindicator was Mac and it clearly isnt. Vindicator didnlt even know who Mac was when Wolverine mentioned him so there, obvioulsy, is a disconnect between this version of Ultimate Alpha Flight and the UAF that Wolverine knew.

[-K-M-]

The only way it makes sense, is if all Native Americans/Native Canadians/First Nations People/Indians are interchangeable...I find that idea to be highly offensive. Marvel has already pulled this particular alternate Earth Thunderbird is Shaman crap once, why the hell are they doing it again?

I'm really starting to get the feeling that Marvel is being run by the chauvinistic, bigoted boy club.

Dana

Because those characters are well known and are mutants so it's fits with the story sadly

Also sidenote for some as people are getting confused Shaman and Snowbird identities have yet to be revealed, those picks are my guesses who they will be.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Ok. I can understand if some of us are upset that the Alpha Flight team is not what we would have wanted it to be. However, does this really warrant getting offended? I might also go so far as to remind everyone that this is fiction. One persons perception of what they feel might make for an interesting story.

Now, I read the comic yesterday, and I didn't noticed anyone referring to Shaman as any name other than Shaman. Yes, I also think it is James Proudstar, mostly because he seemed to have enhanced senses and could smell sulfur through walls. But it hasn't been revealed yet.

As for Snowbird, again I didn't notice anyone refer to her as anything other than Snowbird. She could just as easily be Elizabeth Twoyoungmen instead. But I am going check again when I get home.

Obviously the writer has a plan to divulge more about Alpha Flight as the story progresses, should we really be picking it apart to the point were someone who hasn't even read the comic is fully hating it? I am not ignoring the obvious problems with the team, but I am accepting what I am being given because it isn't what I would expect. That's why I find it interesting. I may even be the only one enjoying the comic. :P

But getting upset or offended over it isn't going to change the way people perceive a culture that isn't their own. It's why all African American characters talk slang, why all Asian characters know karate, and why all female characters have huge boobs. But who cares? It's just fiction.

You're absolutely right, Manikin...Who cares? What does it matter? I don't see why Marvel just doesn't make every character white and male, that should solve all the problems and conflicts...Then they'll be totally interchangeable and nobody will notice the difference if they change costumes with each other. Who is who? Gosh...I can't tell them apart, they all look the same.

Dana :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Manikin]

You're absolutely right, Manikin...Who cares? What does it matter? I don't see why Marvel just doesn't make every character white and male, that should solve all the problems and conflicts...Then they'll be totally interchangeable and nobody will notice the difference if they change costumes with each other. Who is who? Gosh...I can't tell them apart, they all look the same.

Dana :roll: :roll: :roll:

Gotcha.

I see where this is going... Since that was obviously NOT what I was trying to say, and is instead being responded to with childish sarcasm, I will not take part in this thread any further.

Please continue with your tirade.

[HappyCanuck]

Okay boys and girls. This is getting out of hand. Please try to remain civil. This is, afterall, a free forum for ALL us comic geeks to come and have some fun.

[HappyCanuck]

Yeeg. Not sure who updated this Wikipedia entry, but so far it looks like Mungi MIGHT be correct...


Ultimate Alpha Flight debuted in Ultimate X-Men #94 with Vindicator, Shaman (James Proudstar), Jubilee, Sunfire, Sasquatch (Rahne Sinclair), Snowbird (Dani Moonstar) and Aurora. The team ambushes the X-Men in the middle of a friendly baseball game. All of its members appear to use godlike powers; they easily managed to take down the X-Men and kidnap Northstar. It is later revealed by Wolverine, who apparently has a history with them on this universe as well, that they used the Mutant Growth Hormone called Banshee to enhance their abilities, making them more powerful than normal mutants.

Um, Mungi, PLEASE tell me YOU did this?? If you did, I promise to forgive you.... [-o<

[cmdrkoenig67]

Ugh.

[HappyCanuck]

Ugh.

Seconded.

[Mokole]

So Canada hires a bunch of Americans? So I'm assuming Ultimate Excalibur is Magma, Maggot, Beak, ....

[-K-M-]

Yeeg. Not sure who updated this Wikipedia entry, but so far it looks like Mungi MIGHT be correct...


Ultimate Alpha Flight debuted in Ultimate X-Men #94 with Vindicator, Shaman (James Proudstar), Jubilee, Sunfire, Sasquatch (Rahne Sinclair), Snowbird (Dani Moonstar) and Aurora. The team ambushes the X-Men in the middle of a friendly baseball game. All of its members appear to use godlike powers; they easily managed to take down the X-Men and kidnap Northstar. It is later revealed by Wolverine, who apparently has a history with them on this universe as well, that they used the Mutant Growth Hormone called Banshee to enhance their abilities, making them more powerful than normal mutants.

Um, Mungi, PLEASE tell me YOU did this?? If you did, I promise to forgive you.... [-o<

Sad thing is I didn't :(

[Mokole]

If it's true, then it's pretty likely Vindicator is John Walker, and only Aurora is Canadian. Hard to believe but I guess they mean that in the Ultimate Universe Canada is the 51st state, and Inuit people are extinct.

[-K-M-]

They never said ultimate Snowbird was Inuit, so I'm not sure why people are saying that.

Also Vindicator HAS to be a mutant, and a person Rogue knows.

[Puckeroo]

wow
they just ruined it DX.

I think Puck made appearance at the same issue with Rahne.
There was a drawf at the freak show on Conley island. I don't most of the issues/books.

[Trewqp]

well i havent read any of these x-men comics but ill pick a issue up now.
so whats the whole reason alpha flight is in the story?

[-K-M-]

well i havent read any of these x-men comics but ill pick a issue up now.
so whats the whole reason alpha flight is in the story?

They want to bring Northstar back to Canada, like how in the main universe [Uncanny X-Men #120-121], Alpha Flight wanted to bring Wolverine back to Canada.

[Trewqp]

thnxs mungi.
yay sounds as i thought it would... :)
cant wait to read it

[Puckeroo]

Well after looking at all the images of Ut.Guardian.
I have a strange feeling that it Gambit even thought they killed him but am not sure it they really did killed him......just make it looked like he been killed.

[-K-M-]

Well in a recent interview it was revealed that it's definetly not James Hudson in the armor.

[Flightpath07]

lame, with a capital "ame"

definitely not for me!

[cmdrkoenig67]

I'm in full agreement with Flightpath.

AFAIC...Marvel is still on their "make Alpha Flight a joke (or in this case...Junkies, American ones, at that)" kick. Trash is for throwing away, not buying and reading.

Dana

[Flightpath07]

I'm in full agreement with Flightpath.

AFAIC...Marvel is still on their "make Alpha Flight a joke (or in this case...Junkies, American ones, at that)" kick. Trash is for throwing away, not buying and reading.

Dana

Love the little writing, Dana! Excellent!

[cmdrkoenig67]

I'm in full agreement with Flightpath.

AFAIC...Marvel is still on their "make Alpha Flight a joke (or in this case...Junkies, American ones, at that)" kick. Trash is for throwing away, not buying and reading.

Dana

Love the little writing, Dana! Excellent!

Well...It just sums up how I feel about the portrayal of "Ultimate" Alpha Flight in "Ultimate" X-Men....This book and these characters do nothing to make Alpha Flight look good (or even the X-Men, for that matter).

Dana :wink:

[Flightpath07]

This book and these characters do nothing to make Alpha Flight look good (or even the X-Men, for that matter).

Personally, it seems to me that "Ultimate" has become more synonomous with "Twisted".

definitions, anyone?

Ultimate - the finest or most superior quality of its kind

Twisted - distorted, misrepresented, perverted - twisted (having an intended meaning altered or misrepresented) "many of the facts seemed twisted out of any semblance to reality"; e.g. "a perverted translation of the poem"

[HappyCanuck]

I'm in full agreement with Flightpath.

AFAIC...Marvel is still on their "make Alpha Flight a joke (or in this case...Junkies, American ones, at that)" kick. Trash is for throwing away, not buying and reading.

Dana

Love the little writing, Dana! Excellent!

Well...It just sums up how I feel about the portrayal of "Ultimate" Alpha Flight in "Ultimate" X-Men....This book and these characters do nothing to make Alpha Flight look good (or even the X-Men, for that matter).

Dana :wink:

I have to agree. I'm not following ANY of the "Ultimate" titles because they are just too bad, not worth my money. They take a good concept and twist it any way they can.

[Trewqp]

i dont read any ultimates, i agree with they are so horrible and a waste of money, take for instance nick fury, that series is the dumbest thing ever.

[Le Messor]

Trash is for throwing away, not buying and reading.
Love the little writing, Dana! Excellent!
Well...It just sums up how I feel about the portrayal of "Ultimate" Alpha Flight in "Ultimate" X-Men....This book and these characters do nothing to make Alpha Flight look good (or even the X-Men, for that matter).

Well, they trash the X-Men. Against 25-5 odds (Which works out to five to one. One to five. No-one here gets out alive.)

I've got the issues. The team in the book looks like the team we know.
That's about it.
They're different people, different motivations, etc...
But that's Ultimate for you.

Yeah, whatever. If there's an Ultimate AF series, I won't be buying it.

Btw; 'ultimate' also means 'last'. What can we draw from that?

- Le Messor
"Everything you say is boring and incomprehensible," she said, "but that alone doesn't make it true."
- Kafka

[Trewqp]

well i mean id buy the ultimate alpha flight if theyd make it, because its them

[Le Messor]

Which is odd, because I wouldn't buy it because it isn't them.

(Trewqp, you haven't been around long enough to hear me rant about it, but to me the words 'Flight' and 'Alpha' (or any other Greek letter) in combination do not, on their own, make my favourite superteam.)

- Le Messor
"Everything you've learned in school as "obvious" becomes less and less obvious as you begin to study the universe. For example, there are no solids in the universe. There's not even a suggestion of a solid. There are no absolute continuums. There are no surfaces. There are no straight lines."
- R. Buckminster Fuller

[Trewqp]

so you mean that the new alpha flight dosent act like the old vol.1 alpha flight? well i dont know how the old ones act, because im a new fan of the series, but what makes them so much diffrent?

[Legerd]

so you mean that the new alpha flight dosent act like the old vol.1 alpha flight? well i dont know how the old ones act, because im a new fan of the series, but what makes them so much diffrent?

They aren't the same characters from AF vol. 1. Most of them aren't even Canadian! While other Ultimate characters (the X-men, the Avengers for example) are just different takes on the same characters (Wolverine is still Logan only with a slightly different past) all but one of the Ultimate Alpha Flight are people who have never been in Alpha Flight! Apparently, the original AF isn't good enough to be turned into Ultimates.

[Trewqp]

o i see, i still havent had a chance to pick up the issue yet
but marvel dosent make sense... how can they use the americans in their canadian team?
did marvel say anything?

[Le Messor]

Trewqp,

1) Most of Omega Flight, including their Guardian, weren't Canadian, and they're the 616 version.

2) Did you know you've been moved to Afghanistan? Apparently with all of Tampa? (You're not the first person this has happened to, btw.)

- Le Messor
"Evil will always triumph over good, because good is DUMB."
- Dark Helmet

[Flightpath07]

Trewqp,

I hate to sound the wake-up call, but i have yet to see that anybody high up in Marvel gives a hoot what any of us think of what they do to Alpha Flight.

We don't matter to them, we are just an annoyance (but "we", i mean us fans of Alpha Flight).

So, my advice to you is this....enjoy whatever Alpha Flight appearances you can, hope for the best, but expect nothing, or at least nothing good, to come out of Marvel that has to do with Alpha Flight.

Until my (Canadian) bacon walks out of my refrigerator, opens a window, and flies off under its own power..."Make mine anybody-but-Marvel!"

[Trewqp]

so this whole website, and fight for the flight, and these fourms didnt even make marvel take a notice at us?
well hopefully they do give us something... hopefully
o and has marvel ever responded to one of ur guy's email's for the fight for the flight?
i still havent recived a email from them.

[Flightpath07]

so this whole website, and fight for the flight, and these fourms didnt even make marvel take a notice at us?
well hopefully they do give us something... hopefully
o and has marvel ever responded to one of ur guy's email's for the fight for the flight?
i still havent recived a email from them.

Might wanna ask Ben about that one, or one of the more experienced people here.
usually though, for the most part, they seem to blow us off more than anything.
of course, there are some writers and artists (Reber!) who have been really kind to us here, dropping by and spending time chatting with us, the humble fans.
but, the higher-ups, the muckety-mucks, the big chiefs at Marvel? I'd have to say, no, they don't particularly like us. That's MHO, anyways.

[Trewqp]

wow, i didnt think marvel did that... you'd think that they'd try to keep fans and do things for the fans.
well, that reminds me of a comment when i was reading about the iredeemable ant-man that a guy said to te fans that you have to remeber that this is a business.
well this sucks... :(

[Legerd]

wow, i didnt think marvel did that... you'd think that they'd try to keep fans and do things for the fans.
well, that reminds me of a comment when i was reading about the iredeemable ant-man that a guy said to te fans that you have to remeber that this is a business.
well this sucks... :(

Yeah, I always find it odd when they say "it's a business", then completely ignore what their customers ask for. If they want an AF book to sell then they need to do a better job all around with it. Put together a good creative team, promote the book positively, write the characters as heroes (not villains or losers or jokes) and include them in big events beyond just being extras who get taken out to show how powerful the bad guy is.

[Flightpath07]

Trewqp, any chance that you are Joe Q incognito, sent to spy on us?
lol

[Trewqp]

8)

[Barnacle13]

wow, i didnt think marvel did that... you'd think that they'd try to keep fans and do things for the fans.
well, that reminds me of a comment when i was reading about the iredeemable ant-man that a guy said to te fans that you have to remeber that this is a business.
well this sucks... :(

Yeah, I always find it odd when they say "it's a business", then completely ignore what their customers ask for. If they want an AF book to sell then they need to do a better job all around with it. Put together a good creative team, promote the book positively, write the characters as heroes (not villains or losers or jokes) and include them in big events beyond just being extras who get taken out to show how powerful the bad guy is.

I'd have to add to this list "offering subscriptions". The last couple attempts didn't offer you the chance to cast your vote with a subscription order. Only on presales at comic shops. It's been a long time since they actually gave the title a chance. I think Vol.2 tried to do it justice, but it just came together way too slow and everyone but the die hards dropped the book because they weren't getting Vindicator and crew at all. Vol.3 didn't even try to make the book anything more than a bad joke. And Omega took the insult a step farther and stripped the team of most of it's Canadian characters. Sure there were nods to the old school throughout Omega, but the treatment it got going from an ongoing to a mini before it even hit the presses really killed it. I think the only nod Marvel has ever given the Fight for the Flight is calling us a bunch of whiners. I don't know about everyone here, but I felt my e-mail voiced very real reasons why Alpha/Omega did (would) not succeed. I got tired of paying to be called names, so I stopped buying their comics. Still they've found a way to milk a little money out of me, by putting out mini-busts of my favorite Alphans, the original lineup. Weird that they felt those would sell, but the comic book containing them wouldn't. I won't hold my breath for a Vol.4, and won't likely buy it until I've heard from folks that I trust here that it is worth my money. In fact it's strange to have been away for about 8 months only to come back to the exact discussions we were having when I left. Hope burn eternal I guess!

[Trewqp]

So wait barnacle you didnt like omega flight? i thought guardian was in it, wasnt he?

well maybe there too busy with secret invasion to even think about alpha flight...

well maybe in marvel ultimate alliance 2 they will allow you to play as alpha flight members?

Omega flight members, U.S. agent and beta ray bill were playable marvel: ultimate alliance, but only as alternate costumes.

so why cant any of us make our own alpha flight comics?

and we should get a chat room for this site, it'd be very nice 8)

[Phil]

God bless the eternal optimism of youth :lol:

[Puckeroo]

:lol:

any way and guess behind the mask on the ultimate leader of the alpha flight?

I guessed gambit.

[Legerd]

:lol:

any way and guess behind the mask on the ultimate leader of the alpha flight?

I guessed gambit.

I'll bet it's Pointer.

[Trewqp]

say hi to optimism phil, hes my pet!! <'^..^'> RRRAAWWRR

im guessing that its gambit <'^..^'>
<'^..^'>
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<'^..^'>
<'^..^'>
<'^..^'>
WATCH OUT THERE EVERY WHERE!!!!

<'^..^'>

[Le Messor]

So wait barnacle you didnt like omega flight? i thought guardian was in it, wasnt he?

I know you didn't just say that!

(Don't look, Dana, don't look.)

Um, no, he wasn't. The guy who killed Alpha Flight dressed up in his costume for the duration of the mini-series (and later Marvel Comics Presents).

- Le Messor
"If you start me up, I'll never stop."
- Alice Cooper*

(* Okay, it's by the 'Stones, but I happen to be listening to Alice singing it right now.)

[Trewqp]

Ummmmm.... ummmm.... uhhhhh... :oops:
Well his name was guardian, le messor stop embarassing me!!
:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
well i mean technically it was guardian, so you know le messor
JUST FORGET IT!!!! :oops:
:oops:

Is it ok if i make mistakes? is it le messor? IS IT??
**crys**

[Le Messor]

:oops: Sorry... Now I'm embarrassed.

Or am I glad I did it? Glad, see!

S'rously, dood, that's kind of a sore point for some of us. There are those who do NOT like that guy calling himself Guardian.

But mistakes are okay. I've made pelntay in my day.

- LM
"Nothing could possibl-aye go wrong... That's the first thing that's ever gone wrong."
- The Simpsons

[Trewqp]

yay its ok :P
lets just put it behind us now, and move on to other things

[Le Messor]

lets just put it behind us now, and move on to other things

I'm over it. Behind us? Where it can sneak up when we're not looking?

- LM
"Excuse me for not answering your letter, but I’ve been so busy not answering letters that I couldn’t get around to not answering yours in time."
- Groucho Marx

[Trewqp]

well it might sneak up on us, or we can outrun it maybe?
or we can just forget about this and talk about other stuff?
lol

[maniac mike]

ULTIMATE X-MEN #98
Written by ARON E. COLEITE
Pencils & Cover by MARK BROOKS
Ultimatum tie-in! The unthinkable has happened as the X-Men find themselves reeling from the devastating events of Ultimatum. As Xavier’s pupils prepare to retaliate, one X-Man is conspicuously left off the roster. As her time as part of Weapon X is counted against her, how can Rogue prove her loyalty? How far will she go? And just what is her mysterious connection to Vindicator of Alpha Flight?! His identity finally revealed!!!
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99

:shock:

[-K-M-]

Well we find out in #97, Northstar isn't dead just paralyzed from the waist down.

[rplass]

Geez, could you post warning spoilers please next time you have news for a comic that just came out!!?!

Thanks for the info, though please I'd rather read it myself!!! :)

Love,
rplass

[Speedy92286]

Well we find out in #97, Northstar isn't dead just paralyzed from the waist down.

So a wheelchair superhero? :P

[cmdrkoenig67]

Just Marvel's way of keeping "Ultimate" Northstar from being a fully-functional gay man...Neutered.

:roll:

[Speedy92286]

=/ So instead he is gonna be NY's only handicapped hair dresser. :?

[Phil]

Some preview art on their next appearance; http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.5871.Ultimate_X-Men~colon~_Rogue_Elements

[Mokole]

With the talk of Weapon X, maybe Vindicator isn't Gambit. Of course, maybe it is. Who else is not an X-Man but was in Ultimate Weapon X?

[Trewqp]

Well we find out in #97, Northstar isn't dead just paralyzed from the waist down.

Lmao :lol:

My god, marvel does not like Northstar.

[rplass]

Picked up issue #98. Okay, well OK, that's not what I was expecting.

Semi-spoiler space:







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It is revealed who is wearing the Vindicator costume, and a few other Ultimate Alphans appear, not the super-sexy Ultimate Snowbird. Plus there's awesome new armor for Vindicator, sort of like a Canadian Iron Man, pretty cool.

Love,
rplass

[Legerd]

It is revealed who is wearing the Vindicator costume...

Cool, can you PM me who it is please?

[Mokole]

Not Gambit, and they didn't say who Snowbird is. Could still be Moonstar or Talisman, then. Other Ultimate AFers? Like who?

[rplass]

The other Ultimate AFers are:

Northstar, in a wheelchair in the intro "Previously.... in Ultimate X-Men" page

Jubilee

Sasquatch's form was assumed by Rogue

At this rate (series cancellation at #100), I doubt we'll be seeing more of the team except for the new Iron Man/Vindicator guy.

Soon, everyone will be encased in armor with a glowing light in the middle of their chest!

Love,
rplass

[-K-M-]

Yeah the new Guardian armor was pretty darn potent, heck Juggernaut knows :lol:

[Le Messor]

Spoiler?
















The person under Vindicator's armour means nothing to me.

I don't know what will happen after the 'cancellation', though; my guess is, there'll just be a new book that's pretty much the same. They like #1s, and Ultimate universe is too popular to g'rid of.

- Me Lessor
"Finished eighth in my class of ten."
- from a resume

[-K-M-]

SPOILERS


Well Guardian shows hes got a lot of power in that suit, even making Juggernaut's face a mangled mess with just his punches