Toronto Con

[Mokole]

I've been looking at the 'guests' for Toronto Con to get an idea of who/what/if about AF; I see these people who I know might, might be of interest if there is an ongoing Alpha Flight announcement; I'm guessing here:

Editors John Barber and Jen Grunwald
Gabrielle Dell'Otto
Marko Djurdjevic
Dale Eaglesham
Mike Choi
Ivan Brandon
Kathryn Immonen
Leonard Kirk
Alvin Lee
Ed Northcott
Ramon Perez
Andy Belanger
Richard Comely.... just too many for me to keep typing, I could go on and on....

Besides the regular people like C.B. Cebulski who run the major Marvel panels.

[maniac mike]

:shock: Ed Northcott is gonna be there? Thats very interesting seeing as how hes' a BIG AF fan!

[varo]

this really is the only place i can imagine they will make alpha announcements.

its right at the end of mcp's run, plus it's in canada. duh.

also, its where they announced omega.

[Trewqp]

When does this event start, and do we have any inside moles in there?

[Mokole]

It's on August 22-24. I don't know of anyone going. I have only one Toronto friend but she's out of the country.

[johnnycanuckthesecond]

I'll be checking the whole thing out and will keep my ears and eyes open for any juices tidbits.

I'm also secretly excited because apparently the cast of Team Epic is going to be there...just don't tell Omega Flight.

[Trewqp]

good to know we got someone inside of their :D
Hey can you keep a lookout for any jango or boba fett items or news?
those dam bounty hunters are awsome.

[johnnycanuckthesecond]

For sure!

[Trewqp]

and can you buy me a bunch of alphaflight comics and toys?

[varo]

gotta give ben morse over at comic bloc's forums alot of credit, he is very open to answering questions, with that said, i don't recommend going over there and bombarding him, i've already asked him 2 alpha questions which he graciously answered, and i feel like i'm pushing it.

anyways, heres the latest and last for now.


ben,

if i was a alpha flight fan anxiously awaiting news on the teams future would i want to be in toronto for the con?
ddf
varo View Post
I don't know for sure and don't want to make promises I can't keep.

[RatCat]

We have a table in the Indy Pavilion at the con... I can keep my ears open if you like...

But this isn't really like the wizard world conventions, they generally don't make announcements because they don't really have panels like they do in San Diego

[varo]

john barber is the most likely on that list to hit up for information.

and toronto con is where they announced omega 2 years ago, sooooo....

[varo]

its actually called the fan expo canada. heres the full schedule. the best chance for alpha news is sat with c.b. or sunday with marvels open forum.

anyone going?

http://www.hobbystar.com/fanexpo2008/schedule/2008schedule_comic.pdf

[Legerd]

I wish I could, but I work weekends and can't go. :cry:

[varo]

marvel will have live blogging:

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.4594.Fan_Expo_2008~colon~_Livebloggin g_Panelmania

[Trewqp]

good find, :)

[-K-M-]

Curious: "any plans for alpha/omega flight?"

Nogs: "curious, you'll just have to wait and see!"

Twyst: "Alphaflight was a joke, they are dead :( House of M as i remember"


*yawn*

[Legerd]

It sounds like they're trying to put off answering AF questions today.

[varo]

btw, i was curious.


05
Twyst - Hey Marvel U. We are standing outside like punks, waiting for the DC panel to end. Please stand by.
8:07
Agent M - Hey, Twyst! Thanks for covering the Marvel presence at Fan Expo Canada!
8:08
Twyst - Live from the Great WhiteNorth, eh!
8:08
Strommy - And MN! It's kind of like Canada.
8:09
Twyst - No problem, my pleasure. I will send you some pics tonight, Agent_M
in we go!
8:10
Nogs - Sounds great, Twyst!
8:10
Twyst - Front row, oh yeah. DC is filtering out, and X-Fans are filtering in.
8:11
[Comment From Torule]
Ooh, exciting. :o Hoping for lots of new announcements about what Marvel has in store for the x-verse.
8:12
Twyst - So on the panel today, we have C.B. Cebluski, John Barber, Peter David and Arune Singh
8:13
Nogs - Good line-up!
8:13
[Comment From Stark]
Hey, are you guys gonna announce the War of Kings titles today?
8:14
Nogs - You'll just have to wait and see Stark!
8:14
Twyst - (nothing'shappening... nothing'shapening... :) everyone has taken their seats)
8:14
Twyst - CB's approaching the mic!
Now warming up the crowd a bit.
8:15
Twyst - We're having some tech probs.
8:15
Twyst - (And Matt Fraction, he's here too!)
8:16
Twyst - We have Marvel logo on the screen now !
8:16
Nogs - Nice! I didn't know he was going to be there
8:16
Twyst - All the panel members are being intro'd via slides of various x-women
8:16
Strommy -

Fraction moves in mysterious ways, Nogs.
8:17
Twyst - Announcements: X-Infernus, certain character (Magik) will be returning, reprecussions of Illyana

8:17
Twyst - Written by CB, covers by Finch
8:17
Twyst - Christos Gage, team up, Spider Man, X-Men with Mario Alberti (sp), limited ongoing series
8:17
Nogs - The Return of Magik you say?
8:18 [Image] X-MEN: RETURN OF MAGIK cover View
8:18
Twyst - And X-Men Kingbreaker, Christopher Yost (sp), picking up the Starjammers story
8:18 [Image] X-INFERNUS View
8:18
Twyst - With the Shi'ar and the Inhumans
8:18
[Comment From Pax]
Which woman is Fraction?
8:18
Twyst - War of Kings, Darkhawk returns
8:18 [Image] NOVA 17 - New Cover View
8:19
Twyst - The Shi'ar leadin begins in November
8:19
Twyst - And... Alpha Flight is dead... aw sadness picture
8:19
Strommy - Darkhawk returns? I did not know this. The six-year old in me just died from excitement.
8:19
Twyst - But, Wep-X First Class, in November :)
8:19 [Image] WEAPON X: FIRST CLASS 1 cover View
8:19
Twyst - CB is a fast talker! :D
8:20
Nogs - Just wait until the Mug o' CB panel!
8:20
[Comment From Torule]
X-Men: Kingbreaker....:o
8:20
Twyst - Question: Saw a photo of SpiderMan Xmen, the pics look retro, what is the deal with that?
CB: Will span the generations of XMen SpiderMan history to show where the series is now
8:20 [Image] X-MEN SPIDER-MAN 1 cover View
8:20 [Image] X-MEN SPIDER-MAN 2 cover View
8:21
[Comment From Torule]
Alpha Flight dead again?
8:21
Twyst - Q: What is going on with Layla Miller?
Peter David: Fan crankiness was monumental, then she vanished during Messiah Complex, and the fans were upset! The one-shot is out, response has been great. Layla will be returning to the series.
8:21
Nogs - Alpha Flight has been dead for awhile Torule. As far as I know they have been replaced with Omega Flight
8:22
[Comment From Pax]
I'm happy Layla is returning!
8:22
Twyst - She will return in X-Factor. her return will be wholly unexpected, and at the best possible time. She will be back, i expect a positive response. There has been a hole since she left.
8:22
Nogs - Me too Pax!
8:22
Twyst - Q: The issue of XFactor before they go to Detroit was favourite of the year!
A; Great! :D
8:22
[Comment From curious]
any plans for alpha/omega flight?
8:23
Nogs - curious, you'll just have to wait and see!
8:23
Twyst - Q: What made you come back to XFactor
P: Wow, welcome to the XFactor Panel! Andy Schmitt (sp), managed to will a Mantrox (?) limited series
8:23
[Comment From Torule]
Thank you, Nogs, for clearing that up. I actually knew there was Omega Flight. :p
8:23
Nogs - No problem, Torule!
8:24
Strommy -

Mantrox=Madrox, of course. :)
8:24
Twyst - in War Detective, i dont know whose photos he had. Then he asked me, and i said OK!
8:24
Twyst - haha, sorry for the errors!
8:24
Nogs - Twyst is doing an amazing job at this!
8:24
Twyst - Peter: the series was well enough recieved, that we were able to continue. I layed the groundwork for the series, just in case.
8:25
Twyst - Q: Are we going to see some really trippy far out **** in Uncanny
A: Yes!
8:25
Strommy - Agreed, Twyst. Liveblogging from the panel floor is tricky, you're doing great.
8:25
Twyst - Alphaflight was a joke, they are dead :( House of M as i remember
8:25
[Comment From Literateknits]
So glad Layla is coming back to X Factor proper, though I do love the Six/Baltar-esque action going on in Madrox's already messed up head.
8:25
[Comment From pinksage]
Twyst is is rocking the live blogging thing! yay!
8:25
Twyst - A: Pixie has hallucinegenic powder on her wings
8:26
Twyst - Scott has a hotel in his head of every woman he has been attracted to, Emma walks around :)
8:26
Nogs - Oh, she said Uncanny
8:26 [Image] UNCANNY X-MEN 503 cover View
8:26 [Image] X-FACTOR 37 cover View
8:26
[Comment From MattyB]
Keep up the good work Twyst!
8:26
Twyst - Something about a story with mildy ******ed Nazi super soilders in Argentina, but they avoided that ;)
8:27
Twyst - Q: We have the Skrulls invading NY, invasion of San Fran., are they going to invade Toronto?
8:27
Twyst - CB: they will address other international areas, not sure if TO is addressed. Japan is one.
8:27
Twyst - Matt: Nag Brian Reed!
8:28
Twyst - Q: How is Astonishing different from Uncanny, now that they share the same cast?
8:28
[Comment From felipe]
Who is going to draw this new Starjammers mini?
8:28
Twyst - Matt: Astonishing is an A-list Botique book. It's a broad story
8:28
Twyst - Matt: Uncanny is the hub of the soap opera. Everything that ripped out will originate in Uncanny. It will be much more tied in to everything else.
8:29
[Comment From Pax]
Any hints for Uncanny after their second story arc?
8:29
Twyst - Every book has a very discreet identity and slice of what the Marvel U is. Uncanny is the 'Days of Our Lives'. Uncanny can bring in ensamble chars., as many of the 198 as we can cover. Astonishing is self contained.
8:30
Twyst - in Uncanny, XForce will show up (the cast and the regular cast of Uncanny too)
8:30
Nogs - Pax, Twyst is reporting directly from the Con floor, what you are reading ARE your hints
8:30
Twyst - If Astonishing is the XMen movie, Uncanny is the TV show
8:31
Twyst - Q: Are we going to see Uncanny 3x a month?
A; could we be cool with 2? lets stick with 2 for now
8:31
[Comment From Pax]
Ok, cool. :)
8:32
Twyst - Q: will there be a return of Sabretooth?
A: He hasnt got a head! He will lead Alpha Flight (laughs)! How many times do we have to kill a character?
(He will show up in Origins, before he was decapitated)
8:32
Twyst - Do you watch Futurama? he will show up with a head in a bell jar ;)
8:32
[Comment From Torule]
If Uncanny is the main crossover book, Astonishing is the tie-in? :)
8:32
Twyst - We havent seen the plan yet.
8:32
Twyst - Q: When will we find out more about Romulus?
A: Good question!
8:33
Twyst - Wolverine O is leading towards a showdown, with those setting up Wolvie's life. We have learned more about Udok (?) and Wolvie's son.
8:33
Twyst - The next time we see him in a real way? Next year. probably first half.
8:34
Twyst - Q; Wolvie is everywhere! XForce, Avengers. There are lots of him? Or there is one?
A: there was the idea that Danny Rand could lend him a teleportation device!
8:34
Twyst - They are all Skrulls! (laughs)
8:34
Twyst - He will be located in LA with the XMen
8:34
Twyst - He appears lots of places. Origins will take place in LA. XForce takes place in a few days, they take place between Uncanny
8:35
[Comment From felipe]
I think Astonishing is a more self-contained book and Uncanny is more into continuity... is that correct?
8:35
Twyst - MAtt: Bendis time is like Metric time, he lives in deca hours.
8:35
Twyst - Felipe: yes
8:35
Nogs - felipe, I think that about sums it up.
8:36
[Comment From felipe]
So Wolverine will no longer be part of the Avengers team?
8:36
Twyst - Q: can we expect to see Apocolypes in the future?
A: Good question! Last time we saw him, Blood of the Apocalypse. He wont be in XFactor, doesnt look good in trench and slouch hat
8:36
Strommy - Definitely--Ellis has a 24-issue plan set for Astonishing, and once that's over he's done with the book.
8:36
Twyst - Q: Will Kitty and her giant bullet be in War of Kings?
A: No
8:37
Strommy - Felipe--Who knows? Things with the Avengers are a little unstable these days... all depends on the outcome of Secret Invasion.
8:37
Twyst - Q: Started reading with Peter David. When will we see Havok again?
A: Kingbreaker in November.
8:37
Twyst - Then into War of Kings
8:37
Strommy - I really want to create a band just so I can name it "Kitty Pryde and her Giant Bullet" now.
8:37
Twyst - Q: are we ever gonna see Kitty Pride again?
A: there are always flashbacks. 504 starts an arc, Lovelorn, how heartbroken Peter is.
8:38
Twyst - Joss gave her terrific goodbye, to bring her back dishonours it. It was called Gone for a reason.
8:39
Twyst - Q: Legacy is a set plan for Xavier. what is after that?
A: Rogue will show up. Still part of the Xavier arc. Who is to say it isnt going to continue on after that? It is Xavier's arc. He is goingback to his past trying to fix the parts that didnt work, and those he wronged. Going to try and fix what went wrong with her, and Gambit. Mike is going to take it in a different direction after that arc.
8:40
Twyst - Q: Is Rogue going back into regular XMen after Legacy?
A: The minute i can get my hands on her i will! She's great. We'll see. Esp. coming from the south, i want to get away from the "Aw sug'"
8:41
[Comment From felipe]
Great name for a band!
8:41
Twyst - Q: Barber, when people come up to you with future stories, what do you look for?
A: Complicated questions! We talk it out. There are a large group of people involved. The great thing is that the stories are interconnected, the terrible thing is that it is interconnected. If Chris Yost (sp) wanted to use Longshot, they couldnt, because they are used elsewhere. Villains used in book 1 cant be used in 2, continuity issues. We have to think in longer term from when i first came on.
8:42
Twyst - There are parts that arent looked upon fondly by fans, those are the 'slash and burn' eps. We dont want to wreck any characters.
8:42
Twyst - (btw: Omega Flight /Alpha was a joke screen, they are done ;)) But Canadian Wolvie is around :))
8:43
[Comment From curious]
did they say "wait and see" on the floor? i've been hearing that alot lately about alpha flight. where better to make a announcement than canada?
8:43
Twyst - Peter: we are talking about a matter of logistics. if the writer wnats to do soemthing, the editor has to look at 1 - is it a good story, 2 - is it feasable?
8:43
Nogs - curious, I think Twyst just answered your question ;P
8:43
Twyst - they have to know what is going to be going on in 6 mos. Peter would like to see more communication. The editors know, but the writers are throwing darts in the dark.
8:44
Twyst - the writers plot 3-6-9 months in advance, then editors come back and say what will and wont work. They ensure that everything meshes, and works.
8:45
Twyst - Q: so there is no giant plot map up on the wall?
A; Matt: i asked when i came in to Marvel during Civil War, and guy he was talking to had to call him back, he was laughing so hard. peter: have you seen beyond thunderdome? PLAN!? WE HAVE NO PLAN? It's creative anarchy. It's a good thing
8:45
Nogs - It always amazes me how complicated the comic book process is. It's really pretty crazy when you think about it.
8:46
Twyst - The problem becomes for it to be really regimented, 1 person has to be the tyrant. This isnt a positive creative atmosphere. Does Joe sign off oneverything? Yes. There is a huge amount of give and take. It's organic. and healthy. Matt: the first ongoing i had after civil war was Punisher, i suggested killing frank, and bringing in a new character, someone who lost their family in stamford.
8:47
Twyst - Cuz Frank lost his family around Vietnam, that would make him like 65
8:47
Twyst - Matt: it was a serious convo for 4-5 days, Axel (sp) really thought about it. But it didnt have a future.
8:48
Strommy - I never knew that about Fraction's Punisher. That definitely would have been different...
8:48
Twyst - Matt is joking about the horror stories of the industry, says it isnt bad. And was really happy they actually thought about it
8:50
Twyst - Peter: when Layla was created, and existed only for House of M, she would have been a Deus Ex Machina. The idea of bringing her in to XFactor was brought to Schmitt. It made it so it was her debut. I spoke with Brian about what i wanted her to be. Combo of Nostradamus and Wednesday Addams. brain was taken with this notion
8:50
Twyst - One person builds on something someone else built.
8:50
Twyst - Q: Similary, can you sahre stories that looking back seemed ridiculous?
8:50
Twyst - *share
8:52
Twyst - Peter: many ys ago, talking about return of Magento, Bob Harris said big fight with Wolvie and Magento. Peter said if i were Magneto, i would rip out his skeleton and be done with him. And people were excited by this! Great visual! They went on and on. I said 'this is the most assinine idea i have every heard! are we going to kill him?' (No! he has healing!) he will be goo! (this is insane!) and then they did it.
8:52
Twyst - So watch what you say.
8:52
Twyst - Matt: it was pretty weird they asked me to write XMen
8:53
[Comment From felipe]
I would like a new punisher
8:53
Twyst - Nameless creator was pitching a story that he didnt quite 'have'. He started referring to main character as 'Carlie" (sp) (name of Joe's daughter)
8:53
Nogs - It certainly would have been interesting, felipe
8:53
Twyst - After i said to him, You are a devious son of a *****. And he said i know. (cuz joe was thinking so hard about it, given daughter's name)
8:54
Twyst - Q: Can we see more Guardian? Keep Alpha Flight dead?
A; Can we see his desicated corpse? (pic comes up of them all dead)
8:54
Twyst - Alpha Flight is dead, some of them arent there tho
8:55
Twyst - We just finished a story in MArvel Comics Presents, that is coming out soon
8:55
Strommy - Snowbird's still alive and kicking, for one. She was just in the brilliant INCREDIBLE HERCULES.
8:55
Twyst - Those chars, Omega Flight, and possibly something called Alpha Flight. An Alpha Flighter might show up in Xmen. In XInfernus, there is a tie in, for old school fans.
8:56
Twyst - In XFactor: Nothing ;)
8:57
Twyst - Q: Chris Claymont is great, but he has descimated Exiles. Can you get him to spice it up, cuz it's vomit.
CB: Handled out of Mark's office. For people like you who dont like it, there are many that do enjoy. Send Mark an email or post on Marvel.com You will have to wait and see what direction that goes. Wait and see, there are some twists coming up
8:58
Twyst - Q: with the xmen in San Fran., is the Professor going to come back and form a team?
8:58
Strommy - Mark from Exiles being Mark Paniccia.
8:58
[Comment From bran]
moar david finch/x-men goodness
8:58
Twyst - A: he is not incredibly welcome, he shows up, but we'll get there... we will handle it. Peter: he would look good in a trench coat.
8:59
Twyst - Q: will they face any old villians? C
A: you take the good, you take the bad... [facts of life] would like to re-intro Arcade,
8:59
Twyst - most financially irresponsible villian.
8:59
Twyst - He was in XFactor weeks ago! [PEter]
8:59
Twyst - Matt: i have a new baby!
8:59
Twyst - Peter : PRIORITEIS! i have 4 kids, no sympathy!
9:00
Twyst - there are a lot of old villains you will recognise.
9:00
Twyst - Q: are you allowed to give details about Emma Frost and the anti-illuminati group
9:01
Twyst - A: keep reading and you will learn more after SI is over
9:01
Twyst - ****'s about to go off!
9:02
Twyst - Q: LAtely XMen have been killing, when before it wasnt ok, will that continue?
A; there are fewer than 200 left, and the purifiers are killing mutants on site, and blood is being spilled, there arent more coming. this is an act of self defense. their race is in dire straights, it's an order not given lightly
9:02
Twyst - the moral and ethical burdens will echo for the next 2 YS. friendships will end. There is nothing cool about kiling the way it is in the X books right now.
9:03
Twyst - You are notmeant to agree this is the right thing to do. I think Scott has crossed the line, and Wolvie thinks he has, and if Wolvie thnks you have done wrong...
9:03
Twyst - He takes it on himself, so that other's dont have to. No one knows about XForce, there is a reason it's a secret.
9:04
Twyst - You're not supposed to agree, and you arent the only one who disagrees. In latest Astonishing, Warren Ellis set up a lot of arguments in a convo with Storm and ___ (missed it :S)
9:04
Twyst - Q: the covers (variants) have a lot of killing, i dont get that.
A: but there were the puppy and rainbow variants!
9:05
Strommy - That variant was probably my favorite of the year. Just saying.
9:05
Twyst - You can make an argument the bloody variants have crossed the line. We are balancing the line btwn the real and fictional world. There are people who dont think Punisher doesnt kill enough. If you dont like the bloody ones, dont get those ones. There is a lot of moral ambiguity. Wolvie's convo with X23 -- it's not something we are hiding.
9:05
Twyst - The book asks if the violence is cool. And there is big reconning coming
9:06
Twyst - Q: how does Cyclopse keep XForce a secret from E. Frost?
A: 503.
9:06
[Comment From felipe]
I want an Emma Frost mini!!!
9:06
Twyst - Are there going to be other series? Storm lmited series, XMEn Worlds Apart
9:06
Twyst - What is going on in Wakanda vs XMen
9:06
Nogs - felipe, there already is one! it's by Karl Bollers!
9:07
Twyst - There is a Wolvie Manifest Destiny
9:07
Twyst - New place for a new type of Wolvie adventure
9:07
Twyst - groundwork for Wolvie in San Fran
9:07
Twyst - 1 more Q
9:07
Twyst - Q: resurrect jean grey?
9:07
Twyst - A; there are some chars that want to try that, Peter: checking out if she looks good in a slouch hat and trench ;)
9:07
Nogs - Well, miniseries isn't exactly the right word. But it does star Emma Frost!
9:07
Twyst - DONE!! :)
9:08
Strommy - Felipe--Karl Bollers wrote "Emma Frost" for eighteen issues--it was collected in three digest trades, not sure if they're still in print but you can check at your local comic shop!
9:08
Nogs - Strommy to the rescue!
9:08
Twyst - Alrighty people:) I wasnt able to handle questions, sorry about that, typing like a fiend. I tried to catch as much as possible :)
9:09
Strommy - You did great, Twyst. In San Diego, it took two of us. :)
9:09
Nogs - Twyst, you did awesome!
9:09
Twyst - i missed a little TBH, but got the meat, i thnk! :D
9:10
Nogs - Well, thank you again for covering all the marvel stuff at Fan Expo Canada, Twyst
9:10
Twyst - No probs :D it's fun :) Handing out masks to scared people
9:10
Twyst -

WHAT: BREAKING INTO THE HOUSE OF IDEAS
WHERE: Room 717
WHEN: Saturday, August 23, 1 p.m.
THE 411: Whether you're a writer, penciler, painter or editor, ask these top pros about what it takes to join the mighty Marvel team! Talent Liaison C.B. Cebulski, editor John Barber, writer Dan Slott and some of today's hottest artists will share their stories and answer your questions at this once-in-a-lifetime panel!
9:10
Twyst - TOMORROW :D
9:10
Strommy - All right guys, I'm out of here-- talk to you all tomorrow! Thanks again Twyst!
9:11
Nogs - Oh hey, I was just about tell everyone about that. You're on top of this stuff Twyst!
9:11
Nogs - Thanks Strommy! Thanks Twyst!
9:11
Twyst - Your girl on the street (well under the street) :) See ya tomorrow :D
Nogs: ;)
9:11
Twyst - Thanks dudes :)
9:11
[Comment From felipe]
thank you!
9:11
Nogs - See everyone tomorrow!

[Mokole]

So Tomorrow it is, the bloggers were just watching the panel though.

[varo]

sorry guys, i would have narrowed that down, but i was trying to grab it before they closed it.

can anyone make heads or tails of what they said?

[varo]

heres the major jist of it, but its confusing at best. its a bloggers interpretation of whats being said.


8:54
Twyst - Q: Can we see more Guardian? Keep Alpha Flight dead?
A; Can we see his desicated corpse? (pic comes up of them all dead)
8:54
Twyst - Alpha Flight is dead, some of them arent there tho
8:55
Twyst - We just finished a story in MArvel Comics Presents, that is coming out soon
8:55
Strommy - Snowbird's still alive and kicking, for one. She was just in the brilliant INCREDIBLE HERCULES.
8:55
Twyst - Those chars, Omega Flight, and possibly something called Alpha Flight. An Alpha Flighter might show up in Xmen. In XInfernus, there is a tie in, for old school fans.

[Mokole]

Alpha Flight is dead, but some of them aren't?

[cmdrkoenig67]

So....Disrespect for Alpha and it's fans, several bad jokes at Alpha's expense (nothing new there) and little else, except "wait and see"s. Deja Vu all over again.

Yeah...So... :roll:

[varo]

now that i'm starting to understand this a little more, i think every time a alpha question was asked or alpha was referenced they flashed to the team dead in the snow.

so now marvel comes to the country it disrespected by killing its team off-panel and makes a joke of it?

wow. pretty arrogant.

[Mokole]

Nothing from Cup of CB, just reiterated that AF was murdered by the mail man, no announcement yet. Only Marvel Universe panel tomorrow, or Toronto Con is a waste of time for me.

[Legerd]

Wow, what a pantload that was. I can't believe they'd show up here and not have something in the way of AF news. I know Joe Q said "dead means dead" and all, but they brought Bucky back, Harry Osborn, Aunt May and now they're planning to bring Jean Grey back in December. Hmmm, it seems dead means dead only when it comes to AF. Well, I'm back on the wagon, no more money wasted on Marvel books.

[Mokole]

You can add Psylocke, Colossus, Northstar, Ghost Rider (both), Thor, and a lot more.

My question is why, for two days, show pictures of mail man and dead AF? Why not show Lobdell flight? Or nothing? If you ain't gone something good to say, keep your mouth shut.

Only the Marvel Universe thing tomorrow, I hold out little to no hope. So far all they've announced are Iron Man and Hulk minis, and Jean Grey is less dead but just as stupid.

[varo]

well theres one of 2 ways i see this going. tomorrow is the last open forum they will have with c.b. and crew, they are showing these pics for 2 reasons.

1) tease tease tease....payoff. new series limited or ongoing.

2) spitting on the grave. coming into the country of a team they publish (on and off) and just laughing in the canadian fans faces, which is very harsh, but marvel is arrogant enough to pull it off. at which time i will never pay another cent towards another marvel book.


i mean, at least a courtesy "we have no plans at this time" or "we can't announce anything at this time" but pics of the team dead from a off-panel death. thats just rude.

[Trewqp]

son of a *****

[cmdrkoenig67]

Technically, Jean has been back among the living since the Phoenix mini-series (End Song?...I forget what it was called.)...So, she isn't currently dead, but still...Why must death hold so tightly onto Alpha Flight members, yet let everyone else and their brother get by her? There's truly no valid reason these characters should remain dead.

Truthfully....I just want Heather and Puck back (if not resurrected, maybe they were just comatose for months...Hence Walter's statement about being the "only survivor") more than anyone (Shaman could always guest star as a spirit)..Mac's come back more than anybody, anyway (and every time Marvel brings him back, they do nothing with him and then just kill him off again). I mean, can't we have at least three (including Sassy) of the originals survive the Collective massacre? And yes...I have always considered Heather and important part of the original team (if not always a member).

I hope Varo is right about this being a lead up to a pay-off, but I am not going to expect anything (not even a morsel) from Marvel...They've let me down far too often.

BTW: I haven't bought a Marvel book since Bug's last appearance in the Annihilation: Star Lord series (a few months back)...They are really offering nothing I have any interest in.

Dana

[Mokole]

I haven't bought a single Marvel comic since Omega Flight, and my boys read anything but Marvel, except Ultimate Spider-Man. And I haven't bought a Marvel comic in 2 years otherwise. They don't want my money, after all. :lol: Bad for business.

Friday they didn't give anything about AF but show a pic of them being dead in Avengers, same thing Saturday.

The Marvel Universe panel on Saturday is rarely anything but a Q & A session, and with Marvel only announcing 3 mini comics at Toronto, you know a lot of con goers are a bit more than cheesed off with them. I heard the pic of AF being dead got a huge groan from the audience.

While I hold out little hope for a positive from Sunday, I still think there'll be some announcement before Christmas. No, I"m not betting on it, I know AF-hater Joe Q is still in charge. But they did say Friday, "Wait and See" after all.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Saturday's blog was more of the same....Disrespect for Alpha Flight and it's fans (especially from the jerk going by the name Twyst).

Dana

[Legerd]

No AF. :cry: However OF is still around... not that there's a book or anything coming.

EDIT: Okay, they changed their minds, now they're saying there are plans for AF and OF. I don't know what exactly or when, but the live blogger passed on that bit of info.

[Trewqp]

:D :D :D :D :D :D

[Mokole]

Here's the relevant stuff:

3:58
Twyst - Arune says that Snowbird is alive ;)
3:58
Twyst - There are plans for Omega and Alpha Flight
3:58
Twyst - there will be news at the beginning of 2009
3:58
[Comment From Sam]
marvel really needs to stop with the alternate covers...this is the 90s all over again...nightmare
3:59
Twyst - Snowbird and Herc, and (someone, know who agent m?) is in X MEn

and later...


Twyst - And re AF and OF, yes they said in all seriousness there are plans

"Plans" may mean showing up in X-Men or Avengers, but it had better mean ongoing. I'm picky. So no Alpha Flight news until January. But better than nothing.

Two AF characters in X-Men Infernus (Northstar and Snowbird, it seems, not Aurora), and plans for Omega/Alpha Flight, no news until January.

[Captain Primate]

FYI - I was on the liveblog and I specifically asked whether they were talking about individual characters or an entire team. The person who was live blogging said "entire team" in response to my question.

[cmdrkoenig67]

At least they were a bit more respectable to the AF fans this time.

The talk of "no more magic" is making me nervous...Joe Q can't seem to make up his mind. He lets writers use magic to screw up and kill several Avengers (via Scarlet Witch) and create a craptacular mutant storyline (because the world really needs more X-Men stories...Ugh), then he allows another writer to use magic to "Fix" (or F%$@-up, depending on your viewpoint) Spider-Man, but he doesn't like that magic is so limitless, so he wants to do something about it?

So....My question is: Who's next to die, so magic can fade away? Doctor Strange, Werewolf By Night, Ghost Rider, Talisman, Snowbird, Captain Britain, Blade?

Marvel is being destroyed bit by bit.

Dana :x

[Trewqp]

Well dana, maybe its time you embrace change, i did, and the skrulls are really cool.

[Dfense75]

I sympathize with Dana. Removing magic from the Marvel U landscape is idiotic at best. Magic in all its many forms can bring so much imagination and immersion to a story. Is it magics fault that for years it was used as a deus ex machina? Used correctly magic and magic characters can contribute alot to a story. Sadly Joe Q will continue to ride the coat tails of the success of the movies and turn his comics into entertainment for the lowest common denominator. Fantasy stories in all their forms should make you think and wonder. Free thought is born from fantasy.

[Mokole]

I think the point is to just define what magic can and can't do; right now, a person who can use magic can do most anything if they want to. Trying to make it so mystics can't, say, move planets or rewrite DNA/RNA would be a start. AS of now, what can't a mystic do?

- teleport (yup)
- change DNA (yup)
- time and space travel instantly (yup)
- defeat entire armies instantly (yup)
- create any weapon out of thin air (yes)

and so on...

[Flightpath07]

If you ask me...my thoughts run along these lines...

...the AF plans Marvel has, may very well be a mini-series telling the story of their trip to the Plodex homeworld and their subsequent return.

Well, if they do this, i hope at least ythey get a decent writer and artist for it.

And, if they do this, and we (the fans) spend a s&*%load of money, PERHAPS they will then reconsider the death of AF and bring some of the characters back.

At this point, however, I cannot see them launching an AF series. Not yet. I think Marvel is pessimistic and gun-shy when it comes to Flight still (and with no good reason, IMHO).

As far as OF goes...no idea. Maybe another mini. Maybe more stories in MCP. Maybe guest appearances somehwere, who knows?

Any thoughts?

[varo]

i really think we may see a mixture of some classic af and some omega flight in some form. not sure which.

i think mac, heather, puck and michael are going to stay dead.

but we may see a new flight team with:

guardian

agent

arachne

sasquatch

wildchild

jeffires

diamond lil

talisman


something along those lines. i think omega's sales where strong enough to warrant a series, marvel probably thought that mcp would get more readers to continue the story. but it has been a sales flop.

i really have to say, i really like usagent now, i think mcp did a great job of establishing him as a great teammate, and i love the dynamic between him/arachne and her daughter.

we'll see. but there are plenty of alphans/omegans to put something together.

[maniac mike]

This was posted over at comicbookresources.com MUG O' C.B....


After that, the Cebulski again teased a new “Alpha Flight” series before again showing artwork of the bloodied superteam from Steve McNiven’s “New Avengers” with the caption, “Alpha Flight…is really still dead.” However, once the Q&A got underway, discussion swung to the serious possibility of Marvel publishing Canadian-exclusive comics as they have in the past in the UK, India and Italy. When a fan asked whether or not Marvel would consider such a program in the Great White North, Cebulski said that it was possible but not without help.

“The thing [with those other initiatives] is that we have a publishing partner or a partner in the business community that helps contribute to the distribution, getting the artists and the financing of the project,” Cebulski explained. “So it’s not outside the realm of possibility that Marvel could do something like that [in Canada], but what is necessary is to find a Canadian partner up here be it a distributor or a financial or business partner.”

[Mokole]

MCP is more about seeing how nw writers and artists do, can they meet schedules, write well, not sales. It is easily the cheapest book Marvel produces, and you can't expect high sales with your main charcters being Pointer, Swamp Thing, and Hellcat.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I don't get it...Why do they keep hinting at/mentioning the possibility of a new AF series, yet during this Panel/Con they kept flashing the pic of the dead Alphans again and again?

Is it going to be Alpha with a mostly new line-up...Yet again?! If so, when are they going to learn from their past failures (Vol 2, 3)? Do they view Omega Flight as a failure too? It didn't get an ongoing, so something must be wrong.

Perhaps there isn't anybody interested in doing an Omega ongoing...Most artists and writers would rather do classic AF, I bet (both Oeming and Millar wanted to do classic AF, but Marvel execs wouldn't let them).

Dana

[Trewqp]

Well dana, i think its time for those hugs now...

[Flightpath07]

MCP is more about seeing how nw writers and artists do, can they meet schedules, write well, not sales. It is easily the cheapest book Marvel produces, and you can't expect high sales with your main charcters being Pointer, Swamp Thing, and Hellcat.

Hey! I happen to really LIKE Hellcat!

[-K-M-]

Is MCP cancelled? I didn't see it any solicits

[cmdrkoenig67]

Well dana, i think its time for those hugs now...

Stop that...Get away from me!

GAAAH! :lol:

[cmdrkoenig67]

Is MCP cancelled? I didn't see it any solicits

Didn't somebody say 12 was the last issue, but that it would restart next year (with a new #1)...Or something? I could have sworn I read that somewhere.

Dana

[mreeez]

Well, on the bright side, a possible AF announcement would pretty much coincide with the end of Secret Invasion if that perks anyones hopes up.

[Trewqp]

Wow Wow Wow, mreeez, i think its time you begin to embrace change, the skrulls are good people, their here to help us!
Now i ask you, have you embraced change?
:twisted:

[mreeez]

Wow Wow Wow, mreeez, i think its time you begin to embrace change, the skrulls are good people, their here to help us!
Now i ask you, have you embraced change?
:twisted:

Bendis loves you.

:lol:

[Legerd]

So, we should expect a Skrulla Flight announcement next year? :wink:

[HappyCanuck]

So, we should expect a Skrulla Flight announcement next year? :wink:

hey, it'd be a HELLOVA lot better than V.3!!