Wild Child dead?!!?!?

[Flightpath07]

I got a peek at Wolverine Origins # 40. In the first page recap, it mentions that Romulus killed Wild Child just recently.

Somebody, please tell me this is not true!!!

Not ANOTHER freakin' Alpha Flighter dead at the hands of Marvel Comics writers! And, IMO, the best one of all...

You have GOT to be kidding me... :shock: :evil: :shock: :evil: :cry: :evil: :cry: :evil: :shock: :evil: :cry: :evil: :( :evil: :( :evil: :( :evil: :x :evil:

Things are so not right in the Marvel universe. When will the madness and hatred end?!?

[-K-M-]

Omega Red apparently killed him when WC's back was turned he threw him into a vat of molten metal, but he may have survived due to his healing factor but its unlikely,

[MistressMerr]

His character's been such a mess for so long, it's hard to feel too bad about it. For a while, it looked like they were trying to set him up as the new big bad for Wolvie, which just... didn't work. Shame it had to end like this, though.

Ah, he'll probably come back whenever they get around to resurrecting Sabretooth anyway. Fingers crossed they find a good angle to work with him again.

[mreeez]

Omega Red apparently killed him when WC's back was turned he threw him into a vat of molten metal, but he may have survived due to his healing factor but its unlikely,

I though WC was depowered in the M Day event?

[MistressMerr]

Omega Red apparently killed him when WC's back was turned he threw him into a vat of molten metal, but he may have survived due to his healing factor but its unlikely,

I though WC was depowered in the M Day event?

Romulus (the big bad guy over in Origins) restored his powers, as well as his voice and memories.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Yes...That Romulus is a miracle-worker...

Dana :twisted:

[-K-M-]

Which contradicted the story as Thorn and Feral were depowered during M-Day too, but only Romulus manipulated them to look like their feral persona but in fact they didn't have their powers back just their look. So how WC kept his powers is abit of a mystery, but from the same story we found out WC found in WW2 as a Nazi against Captain America...oooook

[Flightpath07]

Which contradicted the story as Thorn and Feral were depowered during M-Day too, but only Romulus manipulated them to look like their feral persona but in fact they didn't have their powers back just their look. So how WC kept his powers is abit of a mystery, but from the same story we found out WC found in WW2 as a Nazi against Captain America...oooook

Who are the editors at Marvel that allow this crap to be published? Have they no shame? Geez... :x

[cmdrkoenig67]

Which contradicted the story as Thorn and Feral were depowered during M-Day too, but only Romulus manipulated them to look like their feral persona but in fact they didn't have their powers back just their look. So how WC kept his powers is abit of a mystery, but from the same story we found out WC found in WW2 as a Nazi against Captain America...oooook

Which totally conflicts with what has already been revealed about Kyle (In Alpha Flight, X-Factor and in the Handbooks).

That Jeff Loeb...He's a miracle-worker... :roll:

Dana

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BTW....Has anybody seen how totally moronic this Romulus guy looks? Another Wolverine clone has entered the building...And this time he's Asian. I think Marvel's originality is truly dead.

[Flightpath07]

I think Marvel's originality is truly dead.

Agreed. So is most of their characterization.

Marvel = Can't be original. Can't stay true to their past. Can't write good character-driven stories. Can't stop lying to their public. Can't stop contradicting themselves. Can't be kept from ruining everything that was once good about their company, their characters, their titles, their morals and their scruples.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen...

[MistressMerr]

Unless you read every title Marvel puts out, don't judge the entire lineup based on one crappy title (or in this case, writer, because Jeph Loeb is writing absolutely nothing even half-decent at the moment). There's still a lot of good stuff out there.

Wolverine Origins just... isn't it.

[cmdrkoenig67]

True...I've been enjoying Guardians of The Galaxy.

Dana

[Flightpath07]

I miss the 80's. Comics made more sense then.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Most of them did make more sense (they were great in the seventies too), didn't they?

Dana

[Le Messor]

There's a twist to Romulus though...


Spoilers ho!

















His claws are fake.

[MistressMerr]

WHY DID I READ THAT THE WHOLE TITLE IS COMPLETELY RUINED FOR ME NOW NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I hope you're happy with yourself. :lol:

[Le Messor]

WHY DID I READ THAT THE WHOLE TITLE IS COMPLETELY RUINED FOR ME NOW NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I hope you're happy with yourself. :lol:

Oh, I am! I am!
:D :D :D

- Le Messor
"From a certain point onward there is no longer any turning back. That is the point that must be reached."
- Franz Kafka

[Flightpath07]

[quote=MistressMerr]WHY DID I READ THAT THE WHOLE TITLE IS COMPLETELY RUINED FOR ME NOW NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
I hope you're happy with yourself. :lol:

Oh, I am! I am!
:D :D :D

Good thing you never accidentally mentioned that Wolverine is a mutant! :shock: Phew! :-#

[cmdrkoenig67]

WHAAAATTTTT???!!! :shock: WOLVERINE IS A MUUUUUTANT?! I thought he was just a guy that was augmented physically by some Canadian super soldier serum (called Coors) and had claws that came out of his special gloves?

Dana :P

[Flightpath07]

WHAAAATTTTT???!!! :shock: WOLVERINE IS A MUUUUUTANT?! I thought he was just a guy that was augmented physically by some Canadian super soldier serum (called Coors) and had claws that came out of his special gloves?

Dana :P

Yeah, okay, you're right. You got me. Now...

Maybe we could ask somebody at Marvel to retro that in for us?

I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem, right?

[cmdrkoenig67]

There's a twist to Romulus though...


Spoilers ho!

















His claws are fake.

So were Wolverine's in his first appearance in Hulk (technically...As my joke above points out)...

How many Marvel Wolverine "clones" (and actual clones) have we had now (living and dead)...The Native (nearly identical to Wolvie in powers- female Wolverine knock-off, killed off thankfully...Although, how could she die so easily if her powers were supposed to be just like Logan's?), Wild Thing (Wolvie's possible/alternate future daughter with Elektra), Rancor (Wolverine's evil witch of a great, great -whatever- Granddaughter), Albert (formerly evil robotic double...Who I actually like because he's now good, a mega-genius, re-fit himself with bullet-proof armor and upgrades to his electronic and has a little girl robot sidekick who is actually his boss...LOL! I LOVE those two characters....They really should be part of an Alpha Flight relaunch), X-23 (female clone of Wolvie, why has she only got two claws on each hand and one in each foot if she's a clone of him???), an older brother who looked an awful lot like him in Wolverine: The End, Daken (extremely lame long-lost son of Wolverine, who's over 50 years old, but hasn't shown up till recently...Yeah, that makes a lot of sense :roll: ), In the new Weapon X mini (there are a few men with laser claws or whatever), even fomer X-Man Marrow was doing a Wolverine riff for a while And now Romulus (who is an Asian-version of Logan, way older than Logan, but has way more fake claws and tattoos than either Logan or Daken do)...Bleh (I'm sure I'm missing a few).

It just seems like Marvel staff have really gone out of their way in the past 15-20 years to make Wolverine less and less unique and interesting.

I really never counted Wild Child as a clone of Wolvie, simply because he was smart (had an eloquent way of speaking), didn't have claws that came out of his body and was an evil little creep (he's more like a Sabretooth clone, just smaller and smarter).

Dana

[Flightpath07]

Albert (formerly evil robotic double...Who I actually like because he's now good, a mega-genius, re-fit himself with bullet-proof armor and upgrades to his electronic and has a little girl robot sidekick who is actually his boss...LOL! I LOVE those two characters....They really should be part of an Alpha Flight relaunch)

Who?

Seriously, who are these characters, where are they from, and where can I find out more about them? Where did they appear, and when?

[MistressMerr]

Oh man, Albert and Elsie Dee, they were simultaneously awesome and ridiculous! They popped up a lot back in Wolverine's first ongoing series, if memory serves.

[Le Messor]

Actually, Dana, I'd have put Sabretooth on that list, right up near the top.

And I would put Wildchild on -- not as Byrne wrote him, but as everybody since has.

I put it down to comics growing more generic -- not as agerneral trend, but as a side-effect of (usually) hack writers getting their hands on characters.

- Le Messor
"You grow up the day you have your first real laugh at yourself."
- Ethel Barrymore

[Flightpath07]

Oh man, Albert and Elsie Dee, they were simultaneously awesome and ridiculous! They popped up a lot back in Wolverine's first ongoing series, if memory serves.

Just looked it up. First appearance, Wolverine # 37. I recall them now, the little girl could explode. I think i only came across them once. I did not really read any comics in the 90's...

I agree, I think they should be in the discussion of who should be in the next Alpha Flight.

[Le Messor]

Nice girls don't explode.

I don't like the idea of a Wolverine (any version) on Alpha Flight... I think just because it seems like every new team introduced in the last few years has had a different Wolverine on it. It's getting real old real fast.

- Le Messor
"Attempt the impossible in order to improve your work."
- Bette Davis

[Flightpath07]

Nice girls don't explode.

I don't like the idea of a Wolverine (any version) on Alpha Flight... I think just because it seems like every new team introduced in the last few years has had a different Wolverine on it. It's getting real old real fast.

- Le Messor
"Attempt the impossible in order to improve your work."
- Bette Davis

No no no! Actually, EVERY book, whether a team book or a single-hero book, should have Wolverine in it. In every issue. On every page. Peaking his head into every panel. Perhaps inside every other character as well, peering out of their eyes, invading their thoughts...

Ack! Trying to figure out Marvel makes me feel ill...

[Legerd]

Ack! Trying to figure out Marvel makes me feel ill...

It's easy. Hype, gimmick and recycled stories, all the while using the same handful of characters for every story, even if you have to "alter" the characters to make them fit.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Actually, Dana, I'd have put Sabretooth on that list, right up near the top.

As a Wolvie clone? I don't feel he ever really fit as a copy of Wolvie, though (except when the briefly had him get an Adamantium skeleton-enchancement)...He was always like Wolverine, but opposite in character...feral cold-blodded killer, his claws didn't pop out of his body, etc...



And I would put Wildchild on -- not as Byrne wrote him, but as everybody since has.

I agree with you there.



I put it down to comics growing more generic -- not as agerneral trend, but as a side-effect of (usually) hack writers getting their hands on characters.

- Le Messor
"You grow up the day you have your first real laugh at yourself."
- Ethel Barrymore

[Flightpath07]

Ack! Trying to figure out Marvel makes me feel ill...

It's easy. Hype, gimmick and recycled stories, all the while using the same handful of characters for every story, even if you have to "alter" the characters to make them fit.

Agreed.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Oh man, Albert and Elsie Dee, they were simultaneously awesome and ridiculous! They popped up a lot back in Wolverine's first ongoing series, if memory serves.

Just looked it up. First appearance, Wolverine # 37. I recall them now, the little girl could explode. I think i only came across them once. I did not really read any comics in the 90's...

I agree, I think they should be in the discussion of who should be in the next Alpha Flight.

Elsie Dee had a bomb in her the first time she appeared, but put it on hold, because she ended up becoming sentient and didn't want to die. She and Albert decided to spare Wolverine (their original target for termination), because they found him to be good and honorable. Elsie Dee eventually had to detonate her body, but Albert removed her head to save her. He eventually rebuilt her a body.

I really loved them as characters, they were very interesting...And if Wolvie can't be with Alpha, I thought Albert and Elsie Dee would be great additions. Albert isn't really Wolverine (even though he originally looked exactly like him, he doesn't anymore...With his body armor, glowing red eyes and robot parts showing through his skin everywhere)...He's far, far more intelligent than Logan, has body armor and can connect with computers.

Dana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_(comics)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsie-Dee

[Le Messor]

...I'd have put Sabretooth on that list...
...I don't feel he ever really fit as a copy of Wolvie...He was always like Wolverine, but opposite in character...feral cold-blodded killer, his claws didn't pop out of his body, etc...

The point is... valid.
I'm just not looking that deep. Same basic power set, same temperament, therefore clone is my, uh, thinking. I have a very small number of Sabretooth appearances.

- Le Messor
"Let a hundred flowers bloom.
Let a hundred schools of thought contend."
- Mao Tse-Tung

[cmdrkoenig67]

...I'd have put Sabretooth on that list...
...I don't feel he ever really fit as a copy of Wolvie...He was always like Wolverine, but opposite in character...feral cold-blodded killer, his claws didn't pop out of his body, etc...

The point is... valid.
I'm just not looking that deep. Same basic power set, same temperament, therefore clone is my, uh, thinking. I have a very small number of Sabretooth appearances.

- Le Messor
"Let a hundred flowers bloom.
Let a hundred schools of thought contend."
- Mao Tse-Tung

I see where you're coming from, Mik...All I was saying is that there are a heck of a lot of characters who've come out in the past 5-10 years who are almost identical to Wolverine...Even one is one too many. Wolverine has lost what made him unique (I think it sucks that his history is known too).

Dana