Article: November sales figures - Chaos War: Alpha Flight

[MistressMerr]

Here we are, folks:

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/18918.html

Chaos War: Alpha Flight sold an estimated 17,164 copies, coming in at #107 for the month. Which... well, it's not very good. It's not horrible, though! Not enough to warrant an ongoing any time soon, but certainly worth revisiting with more one-shots and the like, I'd say. Also, it was awesome, which is really what matters at the end of the day.

[-K-M-]

If we go by just Marvel comics it was ranked #55, yeah not very good sadly.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Really? They seemed to have sold out in most places, but then again...The comic stores may not have ordered very many to begin with.

Dana

[Mystic]

I thought that I would have difficulty finding it when I went to the comic shop across the street, either because they didn't order enough or it went like hotcakes. Well, I found it...on the very bottom shelf of the 'new' wall. It was very hard to see and one of the few titles that wasn't placed in alphabetical order. There were a ton of copies left either.

When I took it up to the register the guy behind the counter snickered when he saw what I was buying...

...I really hate that place.

[Mokole]

I couldn't get it, it was sold out wherever I called or emailed. I'm waiting on place two hours away to get more orders.

[Tawmis]

I thought that I would have difficulty finding it when I went to the comic shop across the street, either because they didn't order enough or it went like hotcakes. Well, I found it...on the very bottom shelf of the 'new' wall. It was very hard to see and one of the few titles that wasn't placed in alphabetical order. There were a ton of copies left either.

When I took it up to the register the guy behind the counter snickered when he saw what I was buying...

...I really hate that place.

Eff them. I hate people like that. Seriously. You're bringing them business. If they had a manager, I'd report them, say that they made you feel uncomfortable and unwanted.

Nail their ass to the wall.

[Tawmis]

I couldn't get it, it was sold out wherever I called or emailed. I'm waiting on place two hours away to get more orders.

If ye lived in the US, I'd send you a copy. I picked up three copies, myself.

[Reksuh]

That is a little disappointing.
I enjoyed the one shot. I hope we get more.

[rplass]

Eff them. I hate people like that. Seriously. You're bringing them business. If they had a manager, I'd report them, say that they made you feel uncomfortable and unwanted.

Nail their ass to the wall.

Damn, that's some ANGRY ALPHA FLIGHT ANGRY LOVE there... awesome!

[Bill P]

Disappointing since I think it was one of the better Comics that month.

I also got a little grief in the comic book store I bought my copy at.

[Mystic]

Eff them. I hate people like that. Seriously. You're bringing them business. If they had a manager, I'd report them, say that they made you feel uncomfortable and unwanted.

Nail their ass to the wall.

Sad to say, but the guy was the owner. I broke my rule about going in there just to get the comic (it's a long story, and involved buying magic cards), but am now aware of the fact that any further business he could offer is now going to the guy that has his store about fifteen miles away.

The one-shot was awesome, and certainly took the sting out of the experience.

[Tawmis]

Sad to say, but the guy was the owner. I broke my rule about going in there just to get the comic (it's a long story, and involved buying magic cards), but am now aware of the fact that any further business he could offer is now going to the guy that has his store about fifteen miles away.

The one-shot was awesome, and certainly took the sting out of the experience.

Gaaaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhh! Shiest like that chaps my hide, so to speak. During these economic times the ungrateful frakkin' bass-turd should be thankful that you're spending money in his store.

[Legerd]

IMO, the title did alright considering it wasn't necessary to the main story, that few readers nowadays seem to know anything about the team and that the other Chaos War "crossover" books (that were promoted in interviews and articles before they went on sale) were all in and around the same numbers. Let's see how the characters fare in Chaos War #5, if they aren't simply there to be punching bags, if they actually play a part in the defeat of Mikaboshi, then maybe we can push for a mini?

[Le Messor]

If we go by just Marvel comics it was ranked #55, yeah not very good sadly.

:shock:
Um... 55? Is that Wouldn't that mean Marvel released at least 55 comics in one month? :.

They have got to get a better idea of what their readers are after... OTOH, if they'd released less, AF wouldn't be one of them.
Or is that figures for a longer period?

- Le Messor
"I cannot live without books."
~ Thomas Jefferson

[mreeez]

That number seems to be in line with what the other Chaos War off-shoots are doing.

Eh, at least Alpha Flight is back in the Marvel landscape, and the original team to boot.

[Tawmis]

That number seems to be in line with what the other Chaos War off-shoots are doing.

Eh, at least Alpha Flight is back in the Marvel landscape, and the original team to boot.

I mentioned this on a THOR list I am on... What worries me is if AF doesn't get their own title... someone's going to fubar them in some guest appearance, like they did with the Collective... "We need a team to trash... who do we got that's a bunch of heroes, close to the US, that doesn't have their own title! Oh, yes! ALPHA FLIGHT!"

[DIGGER]

Sure it was 107 overall and 55 on Marvels list, but look at the Marvel heroes it placed ahead of that have their own series. Also look a the top of the list. It has Batman, Green Lantern and a whole slew of other longer established/greater promoted series or storylines for goodness sake! Alpha did alright IMHO in the grand scheme of things. It was just too bad that the story seemed kinda' rushed to me...waited so long for a new Alpha story and it was over so fast:(. And hey, if they didn't do umpteen series featuring X-men or Avengers or frackin` Deadpool there might just be enough room on the shelf for some different titles. Remember, less is more and by limiting the number of titles you make the remaining ones that much more special. One X-men series, one Avengers series etc. let you change things up to keep it interesting...gee, must be really late and really tired...seem.. to.. be.... rambling......sorry! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

DIGGER

[varo]

i dont think the sales numbers for all the chaos war titles are that strong. its a very good story, but not a major crossover like civil war or secret invasion. at least we got a very good alpha flight story.

[Tawmis]

Sure it was 107 overall and 55 on Marvels list, but look at the Marvel heroes it placed ahead of that have their own series. Also look a the top of the list. It has Batman, Green Lantern and a whole slew of other longer established/greater promoted series or storylines for goodness sake! Alpha did alright IMHO in the grand scheme of things. It was just too bad that the story seemed kinda' rushed to me...waited so long for a new Alpha story and it was over so fast:(. And hey, if they didn't do umpteen series featuring X-men or Avengers or frackin` Deadpool there might just be enough room on the shelf for some different titles. Remember, less is more and by limiting the number of titles you make the remaining ones that much more special. One X-men series, one Avengers series etc. let you change things up to keep it interesting...gee, must be really late and really tired...seem.. to.. be.... rambling......sorry! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

DIGGER

I am cool with two titles of specific titles, when there's so many characters to pick from. Like Avengers and West Coast Avengers, was fine. But when you have Avengers, New Avengers, Secret Avengers, and who knows how many else... and... the one who puts DEADPOOL to shame with the amount of titles... Wolverine. Seriously. How many Wolverine titles are there? X-MEN has gotten bad as well, with Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, Astonishing X-Men, X-Men: First Class, and whatever other X-Men titles exist (not counting X-Men Forever, Ultimate X-Men).

[Legerd]

I am cool with two titles of specific titles, when there's so many characters to pick from. Like Avengers and West Coast Avengers, was fine. But when you have Avengers, New Avengers, Secret Avengers, and who knows how many else... and... the one who puts DEADPOOL to shame with the amount of titles... Wolverine. Seriously. How many Wolverine titles are there? X-MEN has gotten bad as well, with Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, Astonishing X-Men, X-Men: First Class, and whatever other X-Men titles exist (not counting X-Men Forever, Ultimate X-Men).
I swear it's like every time someone complains about the number of X-men titles Marvels adds another one out of spite.
Does anyone else feel like Marvel is just shooting itself in the foot with so many repetitive titles? Many readers want some kind of continuity, and stability to the characters, but with all the "game changing" events and alternate timelines all using the same few characters it can't be easy for new readers to follow it.

[Tawmis]

I swear it's like every time someone complains about the number of X-men titles Marvels adds another one out of spite.
Does anyone else feel like Marvel is just shooting itself in the foot with so many repetitive titles? Many readers want some kind of continuity, and stability to the characters, but with all the "game changing" events and alternate timelines all using the same few characters it can't be easy for new readers to follow it.

So along those same lines... A few years back DC rebooted a bunch of titles... Teen Titans, Outsiders, Aquaman, Hawkman, and one or two others, that are slipping my mind. And I was, for the first time in my comic collecting history (which dates all the way back to 1978) - I was -... Collecting DC Comics. And... I was enjoying DC comics more than Marvel. So it became very easy to invest time, money and love into DC. Marvel was handing out trash (Chuck Austin was on X-Men or something, if I recall). I collected DC for like two years (if not more? Because I got up to like Hawkman #50... so 12 issues a year... is um, 4 years! Egads!) - so anyway - I was really digging it - especially Aquaman (whom I have always liked), and even more so because from the start, the story focused on San Diego (where I live!)... and I was really invested.

Then they did "52."

I collected about 12 issues of 52.

And finally gave up. DC shook up everything. Hawkman was replaced by Hawkgirl (whom I like, but I want to read about Hawkman, who I grew up with). Aquaman got canned. Teen Titans was replaced by a bunch of people I don't know. Outsides got totally shifted around.

I dropped every single title from DC.

Marvel has its hooks deeper, because I have been collecting for a very long time. Especially Uncanny X-Men, which the only issues I am missing being 1 to 50. (I have a few in between there, but they're random). But every year... it gets a little easier to keep dropping more and more titles... and getting closer and closer to finally cutting comics. AVENGERS (the current one) was a saving grace. I actually enjoy it because it reminds me of old AVENGERS. I never got NEW AVENGERS. I refuse to get ANOTHER book with Wolverine in it. I loved Wolverine back in the day - but now if he's in a new book, I will not pick it up JUST because he's in it.

[MistressMerr]

So along those same lines... A few years back DC rebooted a bunch of titles... Teen Titans, Outsiders, Aquaman, Hawkman, and one or two others, that are slipping my mind. And I was, for the first time in my comic collecting history (which dates all the way back to 1978) - I was -... Collecting DC Comics. And... I was enjoying DC comics more than Marvel. So it became very easy to invest time, money and love into DC. Marvel was handing out trash (Chuck Austin was on X-Men or something, if I recall). I collected DC for like two years (if not more? Because I got up to like Hawkman #50... so 12 issues a year... is um, 4 years! Egads!) - so anyway - I was really digging it - especially Aquaman (whom I have always liked), and even more so because from the start, the story focused on San Diego (where I live!)... and I was really invested.

Then they did "52."

I collected about 12 issues of 52.

And finally gave up. DC shook up everything. Hawkman was replaced by Hawkgirl (whom I like, but I want to read about Hawkman, who I grew up with). Aquaman got canned. Teen Titans was replaced by a bunch of people I don't know. Outsides got totally shifted around.

I dropped every single title from DC.
Lol, my story is the exact opposite. 52 is the only real DC title I've ever read, I picked it up because the premise seemed interesting and loved it in spite of not knowing who the heck any of the characters were. By the time Countdown happened, though, and it started being more about Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman, I stopped caring entirely. Just puts it all in perspective, I guess, that you really can't please everyone.

And Wolverine doesn't actually have that many titles anymore.

[Tawmis]

Lol, my story is the exact opposite. 52 is the only real DC title I've ever read, I picked it up because the premise seemed interesting and loved it in spite of not knowing who the heck any of the characters were. By the time Countdown happened, though, and it started being more about Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman, I stopped caring entirely. Just puts it all in perspective, I guess, that you really can't please everyone.

And Wolverine doesn't actually have that many titles anymore.

No, you definitely can not please anyone. That's the truth. For example, to this day one of my favorite Marvel characters is the super obscure "Adam-X." 99.99% of the world would be like, "Who?" or "Why?" So I definitely understand not pleasing everyone.

As for Wolverine...

Is he not in: Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, Uncanny X-Force, Wolverine, Wolverine: Goes To Hell, Dark Wolverine? (Just to name the ones I am aware of? Is he still in New Avengers, or any Avengers title?)

[Legerd]

As for Wolverine...

Is he not in: Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, Uncanny X-Force, Wolverine, Wolverine: Goes To Hell, Dark Wolverine? (Just to name the ones I am aware of? Is he still in New Avengers, or any Avengers title?)
Don't forget: Wolverine: The Best There Is.

[Le Messor]

From what I can tell, most people love 52. But nobody, I mean nobody, likes Countdown.
Not even Queen fans...


As for Wolverine...

Is he not in: Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, Uncanny X-Force, Wolverine, Wolverine: Goes To Hell, Dark Wolverine? (Just to name the ones I am aware of? Is he still in New Avengers, or any Avengers title?)

Those aren't all technically Wolverine. One's a robot, one's his son, as I understand.
Still, as a reader? I don't care. They're in there to be Wolverine, and that's all that counts to me.
I believe he's still in Avengers.

- Le Messor
"I could dance with you till the cows come home... On second thoughts, I'll dance with the cows and you go home"
~ Groucho

[-K-M-]

Yeah 52 was great, Countdown for the most part sucked but had a few good issues, and Trinity I really didn't like and dropped it.

[Tawmis]

Don't forget: Wolverine: The Best There Is.

I will cut this one slack. Isn't it - at least - a one shot only?



From what I can tell, most people love 52. But nobody, I mean nobody, likes Countdown.
Not even Queen fans...

Those aren't all technically Wolverine. One's a robot, one's his son, as I understand.
Still, as a reader? I don't care. They're in there to be Wolverine, and that's all that counts to me.
I believe he's still in Avengers.


I believe Wolverine appears extensively in Dark Wolverine, fighting his son, who apparently wants to kill him or something. And in which one is he a robot?


Yeah 52 was great, Countdown for the most part sucked but had a few good issues, and Trinity I really didn't like and dropped it.

Yeah. Not so much for me. I was suddenly being forced to read character I knew nothing and cared nothing about. It'd be like collecting ALPHA FLIGHT and having them replaced by characters named Radius, Murmur, and Sasquatch II and Manbot and... Oh wait. That happened.

[DIGGER]

Yeah. Not so much for me. I was suddenly being forced to read character I knew nothing and cared nothing about. It'd be like collecting ALPHA FLIGHT and having them replaced by characters named Radius, Murmur, and Sasquatch II and Manbot and... Oh wait. That happened.

I wish I could do that whole Bobby Ewing thing from Dallas in the 80's and just say that was just a bad, bad dream.

DIGGER

[Tawmis]

I wish I could do that whole Bobby Ewing thing from Dallas in the 80's and just say that was just a bad, bad dream.

DIGGER

LOL.

Dude. That was epic.

[Le Messor]

I believe Wolverine appears extensively in Dark Wolverine, fighting his son, who apparently wants to kill him or something. And in which one is he a robot?

X-Force?
Or so I thought. I could be wrong.
You seem to know more about DW than I do. Which isn't hard. I already know more than I care.


I wish I could do that whole Bobby Ewing thing from Dallas in the 80's and just say that was just a bad, bad dream.

It's just a dream! It's just a dream!
No, no, it's a nightmare!
It's just a dream, a dream...

- Le Messor
"If we shut our eyes and believe really hard... they'll kill us. These things are real, man!"
~Xander

[Legerd]

I will cut this one slack. Isn't it - at least - a one shot only?
Not according to the solicits, it's up to issue #3.

Marvel is pleased to present your first look at Wolverine: The Best There Is #3! The most shocking Wolverine series continues!

Even if he manages to slice and dice his way through Slaughter, Suicide, Scavengers, and Yi Yang, he still has to face Contagion, the foe who becomes stronger every time he’s killed! How will Logan fight his way out of this one? Find out this January in the most shocking Wolverine ongoing in years, Wolverine: The Best There Is #3!

[MistressMerr]

Wolverine has two ongoing series and is on three teams, the X-Men, the Avengers, and X-Force. Excessive, yes, but not nearly as bad as it used to be. Also, Wolverine: The Best There Is really, really sucks while his normal ongoing is awesome, so hopefully it won't be the next Wolverine: Origins and last a million years too long.

[Le Messor]

Wolverine: The Best There Is really, really sucks...

I've only read the one review, but it backs up your opinion.
Adding to that the solicit Legerd quoted and what I've been reading lately (Uncanny is a major part of this), I have to wonder how much money and effort Marvel have put into researching exactly what won't appeal to me.

- Le Messor
"I couldn’t possibly fail to disagree with you less."

[Garry/Al-Fan]

I know that I'll be reminded that comics are a business, but I still think that a good story and good story-telling should count for something. And Chaos War: Alpha Flight is an example of a good story and good story-telling. It is a worthy introduction and reintroduction of the team. It is well-edited. It is the type of story that MARVEL used to publish a long time ago.

I can think of a few comic books that sold like hot-cakes but were pure dreck (Shooter's SECRET WARS). Just because something can sell over 100,000 units doesn't automatically make it any good.

I think Alpha Flight readers know a good story when they see one.

And MARVEL is still capable of creating them.

[Le Messor]

Comics are an art.

- Le Messor
"When business and art join forces, anything can happen."
~ Gremlins 2

[Tawmis]

Comics are an art.


Currently, I am not enjoying the "art" of the majority of the things Marvel is delivering.
But as we said before - I disliked 52 (from DC) and others loved it. I love Adam-X, others don't even know who he is.
Can't please everyone, is what, I suppose it all comes down to.

[Phil]

Lets try and keep this thread on track and professional....

[Adam NY]

I stopped into a comic store near my office and the owner said she had ordered CW:AF copies that were not sent to her. Of course, she could have been giving me a line.

I was disappointed because I was really interested in seeing my old friends again. I have not picked up a comic in probably 15 years (got boxes of 1980s comics, bagged and boarded!), and Alpha was my team.

I'll keep searching. I guess there is always ebay. Just sad that the numbers are so low and the number could have been one book higher!

I purchased Uncanny 530 to see what comics look like these days. Land is clearly talented. The book seemed shorter than I remember comics being. Am I right about that?

[Le Messor]

Comics feel shorter to me these days, but I don't know if they are shorter.
They certainly don't take me as long to read. (10 minutes as opposed to 15. I'm a slow reader.)

Greg Land's art, uh...
(Nobody tell him!!! Let him keep his innocence!!!)
Stick to the 80s. Comics were better then.

- Le Messor
"I count every day as wasted in which there has been no dancing."
~ Friedrich Nietzche

[suzene]

Greg Land's art, uh...
(Nobody tell him!!! Let him keep his innocence!!!)

You just live to spoil my fun, don't you?

[Le Messor]

You just live to spoil my fun, don't you?

I thought you'd figured that out already.794

[MistressMerr]

Greg Land's art, uh...
(Nobody tell him!!! Let him keep his innocence!!!!
Ahaha, I saw Land and talented in the same sentence, and my eye started twitching.

As for comics being shorter, technically they're not, but the style of storytelling has changed so that there are a lot fewer words (more realistic, cinematic style) and a lot less happens in each issue (writing for the trade), making them a lot quicker to read and a lot less satisfying. The writers that manage to pull it off these days are few and far between.

[Tawmis]

As for comics being shorter, technically they're not, but the style of storytelling has changed so that there are a lot fewer words (more realistic, cinematic style) and a lot less happens in each issue (writing for the trade), making them a lot quicker to read and a lot less satisfying. The writers that manage to pull it off these days are few and far between.

Beat me to it, about less happening.

These days, one "storyline" can carry on for like six or seven issues.

Where as before, "Magneto shows up, the X-Men show up, the fight it out, the X-Men win."

Simplier back then, yes. But to me, much, much, much more enjoyable.

[Adam NY]

Quickest Google search ever explained your comment. Wow, that is really disappointing. I guess I will stick with the 80s (which makes me feel like an old fogey ... oh wait, I am an old fogey). ;)



Greg Land's art, uh...
(Nobody tell him!!! Let him keep his innocence!!!)
Stick to the 80s. Comics were better then.

[Adam NY]

Well, my innocence belies my age. I would never have expected photoshop to enter the land (ahem) of comics, but I really should not be surprised. I just realized that when I last read comics regularly, there was no internet, so I guess a lot has happened that I have no clue about. I am still interested in getting back into the comics scene and seeing what's what.

From seeing X-Men 530 (my first comic since the early 1990s), I see your point about the substantive change in storytelling style. And while I imagine that quality can be quality regardless of style, I appreciate the blend of auditory (reading) and visual presentation that can be found in classic graphic novels or comics. I think I like the older style better (even if no one will ever convince me that AF 6 was not John just mailing it in that month). :p

After registering here last night, I re-read the X-Men / Alpha Flight crossover and the New Mutants Annual #1 that came out around the same time in the late 1980s, and while the crossover's connection to the larger Alpha storyline of that time was tenuous at best, those books will forever remain favorites of mine both for the art and the story that they told.

Because I'm embarrassed by my gaff, I'll stick around for a bit and will check out a few different books and see what stories catch my interest. Any recommendations for good blend of story and drawing?



As for comics being shorter, technically they're not, but the style of storytelling has changed so that there are a lot fewer words (more realistic, cinematic style) and a lot less happens in each issue (writing for the trade), making them a lot quicker to read and a lot less satisfying. The writers that manage to pull it off these days are few and far between.

[Le Messor]

After registering here last night, I re-read the X-Men / Alpha Flight crossover and the New Mutants Annual #1 that came out around the same time in the late 1980s, and while the crossover's connection to the larger Alpha storyline of that time was tenuous at best, those books will forever remain favorites of mine both for the art and the story that they told.
Because I'm embarrassed by my gaff, I'll stick around for a bit and will check out a few different books and see what stories catch my interest. Any recommendations for good blend of story and drawing?

Those stories are collected as X-Men: Asgardian Wars. One of my favourites, and the NM and X-Men annuals in the second half are my favourite line art ever. (I've even added the Storm bust from that story to my AF busts collection.)

You didn't make a gaffe, you said you liked an art style. That's your choice... though maybe now that you know where it came from you'll think again.

While I agree that quality can be quality regardless of style, style can be alienating - and personally, I find a lot of the favoured modern style alienating.
That said, I enjoyed Superboy #1, but so far I've only read the first issue.

~ Le Messor
"Don't worry. I'm an old hand at curing baldness."
~ Uncle Fester

[Garry/Al-Fan]

Comics are an art.

- Le Messor
"When business and art join forces, anything can happen."
~ Gremlins 2

Thanks, Le Messor. I've never been able to understand the concept of comics being a business only. It's easier to accept that it is a combination of art and business and when the combination works well, a good story can result.

Anyone who misses out of on this one-shot will miss a good story.

I hope MARVEL will give Alpha Flight another chance, just like they've done for some of their favorite---but low-selling---titles.

[DelBubs]

Just out of interest, does anyone know how it did in comparison to other Chaos War comics?

[Legerd]

Just out of interest, does anyone know how it did in comparison to other Chaos War comics?

The main title Chaos War #3 came in first with 28,630 books sold and placed at #61 on the list. CW: Dead Avengers #1 came second with 20,312 books coming in at #88. CW: Thor #1 was next with 19,738 books coming in at #93. Then CW: Chaos King #1 with 17,578 at #103 and finally CW: Alpha Flight #1 with 17,164 coming in at #107.

[varo]

yeah, even though some people will love chaos war(which i do) its not exactly secret invasion, or civil war. it's probably along the same lines of shadowland, smaller, self contained series, rather than effecting the whole of marvels universe.

i hope the higher ups take this into consideration. i have read the one shot at least 50 times and enjoyed it each time.

so funny that so many of us, including myself just wanted alpha flight to be re-introduced with some respect, i said many of times "heck, i'll even take a one shot to get thm back" now after reading how well mccann nailed the characters i want more!!!

[Legerd]

On the positive side, AF did better than Deadpool Pulp #3 - 15,009; Ant Man & Wasp #1 - 14,975; Black Widow #8 - 14,896; Hawkeye & Mockingbird #6 - 14,217 and Thor First Thunder #3 - 14,038.

[Trewqp]

Eff them. I hate people like that. Seriously. You're bringing them business. If they had a manager, I'd report them, say that they made you feel uncomfortable and unwanted.

Nail their ass to the wall.

Yeah! I am pumped right now. Gonna read this Comic and then start a canadian riot!

\\:D/

[Flightpath07]

I am happy to say that of all the CW:AF issues sold, two of them reside in my hands.

After having read it, had I the funds to go out and buy 5000 more, i would.

[marvelboy74]

Really? They seemed to have sold out in most places, but then again...The comic stores may not have ordered very many to begin with.

Dana

I haven't been picking up the Chaos War one-shots nor the main series. I forgot to reserve a copy of AF and they were out. They are usually pretty good on their ordering and they stated they had more people reserving the X-Men and Avengers one-shots than Chaos War itself. But it seems like many people might have picked up Alpha on name only in my LCS, moreso than those who bought Chaos War itself as they still had copies of that.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Yeah! I am pumped right now. Gonna read this Comic and then start a canadian riot!

\\:D/

A Canadian riot in Florida? That's crazy talk...LOL!

Dana

[Le Messor]

A Canadian riot in Florida? That's crazy talk...LOL!

Well, remember that Ultimate Heather and Mac live in Florida.

- Le Messor
"I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to tell such LIES!"

[Legerd]

A Canadian riot in Florida? That's crazy talk...LOL!

Dana
Not really, there's a whole lot of Snowbirds down there after all.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Well, remember that Ultimate Heather and Mac live in Florida.

- Le Messor
"I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to tell such LIES!"

"Ultimate Heather and Mac"?! What the---?! I am not speaking to you ever again, Mik! :p

Dana

[DIGGER]

Not really, there's a whole lot of Snowbirds down there after all.

Can they change their forms into polar bears or snowy owls? If they can that would be one heck of a riot!

DIGGER

[Le Messor]

"Ultimate Heather and Mac"?! What the---?! I am not speaking to you ever again, Mik! :p

I was desperate to find a connection! I was...

:(

[Legerd]

Can they change their forms into polar bears or snowy owls? If they can that would be one heck of a riot!

DIGGER
No, but they are old and can get real cranky real fast! Plus, most of them are on drugs. :o

[cmdrkoenig67]

Lol!

[Mokole]

I tried to find the book in two stores today while finally getting a day to shop, both sold out yesterday.

[Garry/Al-Fan]

Considering that CHAOS WAR: ALPHA FLIGHT came out on the 24th of November, right before Thanksgiving, cost $3.99 a copy, and was competitive with other titles also on sale at the time (and hoarding multiple copies doesn't seem to be much of a factor this time), I'd say ALPHA FLIGHT is holding its own. I don't know if this is enough to warrant another one-shot, but based on the story that was told, I certainly hope it is.

[Mokole]

Well argued!

[Phil]

The sales would have been based upon initial orders though, so I don't think the Thanksgiving argument would be valid. It highlights the importance of pre-ordering though.
The price is standard of Marvel, and certainly of all the Chaos War titles, so again that doesn't add to it, although it does say something about the general sales of the comic industry.

[varo]

well, i hope the positive reaction to the story warrants something more. it was very well done.

on a side note, i just saw that kazar has a ongoing starting in march, and i don't want to disrespect kazar fans, but it drives me nuts that books like that get a ongoing and alpha doesnt.

[suzene]

well, i hope the positive reaction to the story warrants something more. it was very well done.

on a side note, i just saw that kazar has a ongoing starting in march, and i don't want to disrespect kazar fans, but it drives me nuts that books like that get a ongoing and alpha doesnt.

On-going in name only, I imagine. What will probably happen is that the numbers for the first issue will come in, they will be awful, Marvel will pull the plug, and the book will be canceled by issue five, maybe four or six depending. See also: S.W.O.R.D, Young Allies, Hawkeye and Mockingbird, etc.

[varo]

teah, was thinking the same thing. whats really sad is of those books you listed, hawkeye/mockingbird was a very fun read. maybe some maxi series like the inhumans, with 12 issue runs.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I'd love to see a 12 issue maxi series of Alpha Flight...Maybe a maxi-series every year? ;)

Dana

[Flightpath07]

I'd love to see a 12 issue maxi series of Alpha Flight...Maybe a maxi-series every year? ;)

Dana

Would that mean Mac has to die at the end of every maxi series? lol

[Legerd]

Would that mean Mac has to die at the end of every maxi series? lol
Yeah, he could be the Kenny of Marvel.
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[Garry/Al-Fan]

The sales would have been based upon initial orders though, so I don't think the Thanksgiving argument would be valid. It highlights the importance of pre-ordering though.
The price is standard of Marvel, and certainly of all the Chaos War titles, so again that doesn't add to it, although it does say something about the general sales of the comic industry.


So if two people order 50,000 copies each, CW:AF would be an unqualified success no matter how many copies are actually bought? I don't understand.

17,000 x $3.99 = $67,830 ...that I can understand.

[Le Messor]

So if two people order 50,000 copies each, CW:AF would be an unqualified success no matter how many copies are actually bought? I don't understand.
17,000 x $3.99 = $67,830 ...that I can understand.

You guys didn't all order 50,000 copies each?
You shall consider your fanhoods cheap that you weren't there on Chaos War Alpha's day!

... slightly less unseriously, I take it that comic shops do pre-ordering, and the sales figures we have are based on that. How many of them make it into fans' hands is what we're more concerned with, though.

- Le Messor
"I don't feel old ~ I don't feel anything until noon. Then it's time for my nap."
~ Bob Hope

[Phil]

So if two people order 50,000 copies each, CW:AF would be an unqualified success no matter how many copies are actually bought? I don't understand.

17,000 x $3.99 = $67,830 ...that I can understand.

Ordering = Buying.

The sales figures are how many copies Diamond sell to retailers.

[Phil]

How many of them make it into fans' hands is what we're more concerned with, though.

We as fans; yes to a degree.

The Disney accountants; no siree. Dollars, nothing but.

[Le Messor]

We as fans; yes to a degree.
The Disney accountants; no siree. Dollars, nothing but.

True dat.