new maxi series................alpha flight!!!!

[varo]

i'll get details in a sec. coming out of "fear itself". looks like fvl and greg pak are involved. i'm about to faint....

[varo]

holy crap!!!! artist: Dale Eaglesham. i guess they were bought back for a reason!!!!

[Adam]

Woah! CBR posted some art.

[mreeez]

Some quotes from live chat


The Canadian government has branded Alpha Flight traitors as a result of events in Fear Itself

[mreeez]

More quotes


Fred just confirmed that Guardian and Vindicator will be in the book. *I* can confirm that Sasquatch, Shaman, Snowbird, Aurora and, yes, Northstar will all be involved.



Old time fans will enjoy seeing things referenced, but you won't have had to read any past Alpha Flight books or Chaos War in order to pick it up.


But as a result of Fear Itself, there is a change in government, and so Alpha Flight finds themselves as the country's "greatest traitors," and they must go on the run and figure out what is behind the government takeover.

[Dfense75]

Here is a link to the article.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=30845

[mreeez]

And another good one


Fred: They're using the clean slate provided by Chaos War to do a ground-level reboot. They're not ignoring everything that's come before, but they're not going to be referring to a character's multiple resurrections or anything like that. They don't want to get bogged down in the continuity.

[Phil]

More here; http://www.multiversitycomics.com/2011/02/multiversity-comics-presents-fred-van.html

[MistressMerr]

Ha, I totally buggered out of here for a while because the ridiculous negativity was driving me crazy, but this... what a thing to wake up to!

Maybe it's just a pipe dream, but I'm hoping Jimenez does all the covers. *__*

[suzene]

“Basically, if John Byrne didn’t come up with it, we’re throwing it out,” said Van Lente who noted that through no intentional malice, the team had been subjected to a lot of bad continuity over the years. “I wouldn’t say we’re ignoring everything that came later, but we’re not going to be referring to an individual character’s multiple resurrections over the years…this is one of those stories that wants to start with a clean slate,” Pak added.


As for which characters will or won’t be appearing and how, the team heavily hinted that Puck will appear in the series, and asked whether Northstar would continue his role in the X-Men line, they said that elements from those stories will make it in – including Kyle, Northstar’s boyfriend from “Nation X” – but overall he will become a full-time Canadian again.

Well, I'm sold.

[suzene]

Ha, I totally buggered out of here for a while because the ridiculous negativity was driving me crazy, but this... what a thing to wake up to!

Maybe it's just a pipe dream, but I'm hoping Jimenez does all the covers. *__*

The Multiversity interview indicates that's the case. I hope they make some of those into posters, because damn!

[Phil]

The key quote for me, over on the newsarama link


"I imagine, that if there is enough audience demand, there will be a ninth and subsequent issue," Van Lente said.

[Tawmis]

Woah! CBR posted some art.

I... just... died.

[varo]

i absolutely love Dale Eaglesham's art from other series, and fvl is a long time fan. this is beyond the best possible news we can have.

[MistressMerr]

Stars in my eeeeeeeeeyes. No words, they should have sent a poeeeeeet.

I haven't slept with yesterday, coherent comments are going to have to wait, I don't even care.

[Flightpath07]

WOW!

I...am stunned.

Why didn't they tell us about this before now? Not even any hints before now...how cruel!

Oh well...I'm happy now. :)

I'm not sure I get the premise - "new government" and "branded traitors"? Alos, I am wondering just how 'throwing away anything Byrne didn't do or say' is going to work in actuality; does this mean they are goning to pick and choose what they want for ther characters' past? We already know Puck has been referenced in interviews as having a demon in him, and we know Mac and Heather have a baby, and JB did neither of these things...

Huh...guess it is "wait and see" time again.

[Phil]

The appearance in Chaos War #5 pretty much was the hint...

[Flightpath07]

I didn't get that hint, Phil.

[Phil]

That wasn't a dig, I just meat it was unlikely they'd bring them back for no reason. Maybe that's just hindsight speaking though.

[Flightpath07]

Hindsight is 2020. And this is only 2011. :)

And i knew you weren't trying to dig at me. Now I am just pissed off at myself, for all my ranting about them not being used going forward....they are.

By the way, how do you cook crow?

[Reksuh]

I'm cautiously excited.
I like Eaglesham's art. The two Phil Jimenez covers have been amazing (I just wish they would colour Guardian's suit eyes yellow! :)

[Phil]

The two Phil Jimenez covers have been amazing (I just wish they would colour Guardian's suit eyes yellow! :)

By two covers are you counting his Avengers #4 variant or have I missed one???

[-K-M-]

Well...didn't expect this. I'm actually very suprised they been getting a push like this.

[maniac mike]

WOOOHOOOO!!! YES! YES! YES! YE... *thud*

[Flightpath07]

WOOOHOOOO!!! YES! YES! YES! YE... *thud*

lol

[rplass]

HEAD EXPLODE

I keep exploding it! Too much of exploding of head!!!

Great news! And congratulations to all the members of alphaflight.net for keeping the flame alive!

[DaVeO]

Now I have to hit up FVL's Facebook and ask about Talisman.

[Tawmis]

We should also go around to other forums, and such (FB, Twitter) and post links to this to get the word out. :)

[-K-M-]

I wonder why Aurora went back to her Walter "experimenting" on her days attire

[Mokole]

Wow. This is too cool.

[Tawmis]

I wonder why Aurora went back to her Walter "experimenting" on her days attire

I saw that too, despite looking like old school Aurora at the end of Chaos War. (I much prefer the original Aurora look ... far more sexier!)

[-K-M-]

I was also interested in why on the cover of the Alpha Flight one-shot Marrina and Shaman looked different as well.

Oh well I'm not going to complain, this is awesome news.

[Tawmis]

I was also interested in why on the cover of the Alpha Flight one-shot Marrina and Shaman looked different as well.

Oh well I'm not going to complain, this is awesome news.

Shaman's yellow design at the top of his shirt is different... but not by much? Or am I missing something else? And how does Marrina look different?

[Legerd]

Marvel is hitting every point with this; the original team, a great creative team, and it's a maxi-series even. Now they just have to make sure there is enough positive exposure as we get closer to the release date. Man am I pumped for this.

[Tawmis]

Marvel is hitting every point with this; the original team, a great creative team, and it's a maxi-series even. Now they just have to make sure there is enough positive exposure as we get closer to the release date. Man am I pumped for this.

Well I plan on doing what I did with Alpha Flight: Chaos War... and that's buying three copies. Two for myself, one for a friend (who doesn't collect comics anymore, but is well aware who Alpha Flight is from when he did). :-)

[cmdrkoenig67]

Marvel should really get behind this, promote the heck out of it, print up posters based on that glorious cover, etc...I'm very excited. It will be a sweet birthday month for me.

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

...And this Dale Eaglesham fellow is Canadian? Awesome!

Dana

BTW: has anybody seen this?

http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=666736&gsub=102074

[Tawmis]

...And this Dale Eaglesham fellow is Canadian? Awesome!

Dana

BTW: has anybody seen this?

http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=666736&gsub=102074

I am not gay by any stretch of the imagination, but that's ONE handsome Northstar!

[suzene]

I wonder why Aurora went back to her Walter "experimenting" on her days attire

Jimenez had her in that costume on the Avengers variant cover too. I wonder if it's just for visual interest.

[Tawmis]

Tuesday February 15, 2011
2:15
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Hello and welcome to the latest Next Big Thing press call liveblog! The subject of the call today is a mystery...but not for much longer! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:15 UltimateKidNova

2:16
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
I'm Marvel.com (http://marvel.com/) associate editor Ben Morse, joining me shortly will be Marvel.com (http://marvel.com/) assistant editor Marc Strom, and in about 15 minutes we'll welcome our mystery guests and reveal this Fear Itself-related project! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:16 UltimateKidNova

2:16
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Allow me to correct myself: Our New York Times-bestselling mystery guests (it's in their contract that I need to call them that) Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:16 UltimateKidNova

2:17
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
As soon as we let you guys in on what's going on, we'll also be asking for your questions and then passing them to the folks on the call. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:17 UltimateKidNova

2:17
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
So be ready with a quick trigger finger on your keyboard! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:17 UltimateKidNova

2:17
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From JustinsaneJustinsane: ]
is their initials BM? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:17 Justinsane

2:18
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
No Justin, it's not me (or that other guy who likes mysteries) Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:18 UltimateKidNova

2:18
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From EdguardoEdguardo: ]
Also Kid Nova you need to work on getting us Nova back. :P Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:18 Edguardo

2:18
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
@Edguardo Not a day goes by that I'm not! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:18 UltimateKidNova

2:19
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From KnizeKnize: ]
Ben Morse rules! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:19 Knize

2:19
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From LeoZippinLeoZippin: ]
Is it referring to currently released solicits? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:19 LeoZippin

2:19
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
@LeoZippin It was not included in the solicits just released. It's a secret! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:19 UltimateKidNova

2:20
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From KaiKunKaiKun: ]
does anybody have any idea what they are going to say? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:20 KaiKun

2:20
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From Tyler WTyler W: ]
Do the mystery guests prefer beards or glasses? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:20 Tyler W

2:20
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
@Tyler W Interesting question... Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:20 UltimateKidNova

2:21
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Hello all! Marvel.com (http://marvel.com/) West Coast Affiliate (or Marvel.com (http://marvel.com/) assistant editor, if you prefer) Marc Strom has joined the party. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:21 Strommy

2:24
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From Tyler WTyler W: ]
Which coast does the Marvel staff consider the best? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:24 Tyler W

2:24
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
I am currently chatting with a creator who I did not know would be on the call! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:24 UltimateKidNova

2:24
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
@Tyler W Whichever one I happen to be on at the moment, sir. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:24 Strommy

2:24
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
I'm gonna go ahead and tell you guys that Mr. Dale Eaglesham is on the call! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:24 UltimateKidNova

2:27
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From Frank SFrank S: ]
I love Dale Eaglesham! I really loved what he did on Fantastic Four. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:27 Frank S

2:27
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From DystopiaXIIIDystopiaXIII: ]
yaay dale Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:27 DystopiaXIII

2:27
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
And is that...Fred Van Lente? It is! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:27 UltimateKidNova

2:27
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From SibianSibian: ]
Well we know whatever it is its going to look good! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:27 Sibian

2:28
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
We're waiting on one more creator...and you've probably all guessed who at this point ;-) Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:28 UltimateKidNova

2:28
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From DystopiaXIIIDystopiaXIII: ]
yaay fred! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:28 DystopiaXIII

2:28
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From SilverSpider781SilverSpider781: ]
Fred Van Lente?! Awesome!! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:28 SilverSpider781

2:28
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From MarvelB0yMarvelB0y: ]
Van Lente + Dale = color me hyped Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:28 MarvelB0y

2:28
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From CuberToyCuberToy: ]
All associate with the project ? Cause that sounds great Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:28 CuberToy

2:28
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Just waiting for a couple more people to join the call and then we shall start... Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:28 Strommy

2:28
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
@CuberToy Indeed, Fred, Dale and one other gentleman/lady are on this mystery project Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:28 UltimateKidNova

2:29
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From MarvelB0yMarvelB0y: ]
Pak Pak Pak a million times Pak Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:29 MarvelB0y

2:29
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Indeed, Greg Pak is on the call! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:29 UltimateKidNova

2:29
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Some gentleman named... Greg just joined the call? I wonder what his last name could be? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:29 Strommy

2:29
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
So we've got our creative team, now we're just waiting a few more minutes to announce the big project! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:29 UltimateKidNova

2:29
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From DystopiaXIIIDystopiaXIII: ]
YAAAY GREG! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:29 DystopiaXIII

2:29
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From X-GirlX-Girl: ]
GREG PAK YAY!!! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:29 X-Girl

2:30
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
And now we are starting! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:30 Strommy

2:30
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
New maxi-series debuting during Fear Itself...ALPHA FLIGHT! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:30 Strommy

2:31
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
From writers Greg Pak and Fred Van Lente, and artist Dale Eaglesham, who are all on the call. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:31 Strommy

2:31
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Get us your Alpha Flight questions for Greg, Fred and Dale! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:31 UltimateKidNova

2:31
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Team was resurrected during Chaos War...where will they be picking up the story? Greg: Some time has passed, but you don't need to have read anything before this to jump on board. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:31 Strommy

2:32
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Old time fans will enjoy seeing things referenced, but you won't have had to read any past Alpha Flight books or Chaos War in order to pick it up. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:32 Strommy

2:32
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Banking your questions, guys, keep it coming Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:32 UltimateKidNova

2:32
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
The creators are talking at the moment, then it will be open to Q&A from us and some other press folks, and we'll do our best to get your questions in. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:32 UltimateKidNova

2:32
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Strommy on play-by-play! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:32 UltimateKidNova

2:33
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Last time we saw Alpha Flight, they were the frontlines for national security of Canada. Is Department H still sanctioning the team? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:33 Strommy

2:33
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From NickNick: ]
Is the main storyline already thought up? Or is it all in the developmental stages? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:33 Nick

2:33
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
@Nick It's all set, Nick, and starting in May! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:33 UltimateKidNova

2:34
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Fred: Yes. But as a result of Fear Itself, there is a change in government, and so Alpha Flight finds themselves as the country's "greatest traitors," and they must go on the run and figure out what is behind the government takeover. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:34 Strommy

2:35
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
What made everyone want to work on this series? It was Fred's favorite comic growing up, so this is a dream come true for him. He describes himself as a walking encyclopedia of Alpha Flight knowledge, while Greg Pak comes into it with a relatively clean slate, but he loves these characters. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:35 Strommy

2:36
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Lots of questions about Northstar and Puck being involved, so rest assured, I will ask about them when my turn comes up. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:36 UltimateKidNova

2:36
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Dale, who's Canadian, likes their slightly oddball nature while also being a legitimate super hero team. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:36 Strommy

2:37
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Greg says Dale's dynamic, clean lines are perfect for this book. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:37 Strommy

2:37
Who's your favorite Alpha Flight member?
Sasquatch
( 17% )

Guardian
( 26% )

Puck
( 20% )

Northstar
( 24% )

Aurora
( 10% )

Other
( 2% )




Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:37


2:38
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Will Dale have a different approach to this story than something like his current Hulk run? These characters don't have iconic molds like some other characters, so he can endow them with a lot of humanity. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:38 Strommy

2:38
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
He'll also be paying a lot of attention to the locales, since he's familiar with them. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:38 Strommy

2:38
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
How is Alpha Flight's role different than that of the X-Men or Avengers, given that they are government-supported? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:38 Strommy

2:39
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Greg noted that Dale has already corrected them on details about Canada, like the jurisdiction of the Mounties Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:39 UltimateKidNova

2:39
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
The new series will explore what happens when the government you work for starts doing things you don't like? It's about your relationship to the government vs. your country vs. its people. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:39 Strommy

2:39
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From PatPat: ]
So is it the Canadian Gov't that's ChangEd or the US or both? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:39 Pat

2:39
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
@Pat The Canadian government has branded Alpha Flight traitors as a result of events in Fear Itself Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:39 UltimateKidNova

2:39
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
What is it about the characters that the creators thinks gets fans excited? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:39 Strommy

2:40
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
John Byrne gave them all a lot of flaws and real character traits, such as Guardian who feels slightly uncomfortable leading and dressing up in his country's flag. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:40 Strommy

2:41
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Fred just confirmed that Guardian and Vindicator will be in the book. *I* can confirm that Sasquatch, Shaman, Snowbird, Aurora and, yes, Northstar will all be involved. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:41 UltimateKidNova

2:41
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
We will ask about Puck... Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:41 UltimateKidNova

2:41
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Greg describes them as a team of Captain Americas in a way, all of them are protectors of a nation. But they're still kind of underdogs. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:41 Strommy

2:41
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From HBCHICAGOHBCHICAGO: ]
Are Alpha Flight still bound to the government even though they are back from the dead? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:41 HBCHICAGO

2:41
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
@HBCHICAGO They are still working for the Canadian government when the series opens Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:41 UltimateKidNova

2:42
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From US AgentUS Agent: ]
Will we see Justin Beiber, the Canadian king Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:42 US Agent

2:42
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
@US Agent He will be in every Marvel title this year Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:42 UltimateKidNova

2:42
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Greg also points to the diversity and character design of the team as one of the things that's kept them around for so long. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:42 Strommy

2:43
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Q&A begins! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:43 UltimateKidNova

2:43
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Press questions time! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:43 Strommy

2:43
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Q: What was the hook that brought the traditional Alpha Flight book back into the Marvel U? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:43 Strommy

2:43
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From HotaruHotaru: ]
Any art you can show us? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:43 Hotaru

2:44
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
@Hotaru We will have Phil Jimenez' cover to issue #1 on Marvel.com (http://marvel.com/) immediately following this chat Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:44 UltimateKidNova

2:44
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From iamericbassiamericbass: ]
Will the creative team thats on it now, continue through the entire run? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:44 iamericbass

2:44
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
@iamericbass Pak/Van Lente/Eaglesham will be the creative team for the whole run Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:44 UltimateKidNova

2:44
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
A: They're going to play with the idea of the government going crazy. Fred says they can do this story and do it right since it's taking place in Canada--if they had the America government going crazy, it would effect every other book in the Marvel U. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:44 Strommy

2:45
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifUltimateKidNova:
Marrina is also on the team. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:45 UltimateKidNova

2:45
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gifStrommy:
Fred also wants to emphasize that this is the original team from UNCANNY X-MEN #120, and we've never seen that team really work together before. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:45 Strommy

2:46
http://www.coveritlive.com/templates/coveritlive/images/spacer.gif[Comment From iamericbassiamericbass: ]
THIS IS FRICKING AWESOME! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:46 iamericbass

2:47
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Just asked about Puck Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:47 UltimateKidNova

2:48
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Greg says if you add the book to your pull list, you may be pleasantly surprised. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:48 Strommy

2:48
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So there you go, Puck fans, there is hope! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:48 UltimateKidNova

2:48
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Will Northstar continue his status with the X-Men? They believe he is leaving the X-Men. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:48 Strommy

2:49
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Thanks for making this happen, the announcement of an Alpha Flight book just convinced me to check into Fear Itself! (Go Northstar, go!) Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:49 Guest

2:49
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In the end, the continuity will make sense. Kyle, Northstar's boyfriend introduced in Nation X, will be playing a big role in the book. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:49 Strommy

2:49
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Fred says Greg and he are not very protective of their turf, so if someone wants to use the characters, that's great. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:49 Strommy

2:49
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I love the Northstar's boyfriend will be involved. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:49 HBCHICAGO

2:50
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Will there be a central antagonist? Yes, but they need to phrase it in a very non-spoiler way. The government turns against Alpha Flight, but some members of Alpha Flight side with the government. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:50 Strommy

2:50
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what was the announcement? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:50 moviebug

2:50
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Part of the point of the series is Alpha Flight trying to figure out who the main villains are. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:50 Strommy

2:51
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For those of you just joining us, we're discussing the upcoming Alpha Flight maxi-series by Greg Pak, Fred Van Lente & Dale Eaglesham tying into Fear Itself Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:51 UltimateKidNova

2:51
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At the moment, the series is slotted for eight issues with a special .1 issue illustrated by Ben Oliver out in May. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:51 Strommy

2:52
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Since some time has passed since Chaos War, you won't see much of the characters adjusting to coming back to life. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:52 Strommy

2:52
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"If there is demand, I would imagine there will be a ninth issue and beyond." -Fred Van Lente Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:52 UltimateKidNova

2:53
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So 0.1 and #1 are both out in May? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:53 Tyler W

2:53
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@Tyler W The Point One issue is out in May. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:53 UltimateKidNova

2:53
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Fred: They're using the clean slate provided by Chaos War to do a ground-level reboot. They're not ignoring everything that's come before, but they're not going to be referring to a character's multiple resurrections or anything like that. They don't want to get bogged down in the continuity. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:53 Strommy

2:54
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One more round of questions. Since I'm seeing it a LOT in the comments, I will be asking if Wolverine will be showing up. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:54 UltimateKidNova

2:54
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Question for Dale: Is it a challenge to deal with so many characters? He prefers a team dynamic, because he likes having a lot of characters to deal with. All the characters are so unique and odd that he has trouble choosing a favorite one. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:54 Strommy

2:54
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I'll actually ask if any guest stars will be making appearances. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:54 UltimateKidNova

2:55
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He can appreciate working on a single-character book, but he's ready to get back to a team book. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:55 Strommy

2:56
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Interesting to see Guardian leading our Favorite Alpha Flight Member poll. Can Northstar regain the lead? Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:56 UltimateKidNova

2:56
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Did this series spin out of Chaos War and the audience's reactions to their return? It was something they'd talked about and workshopped, and once they realized Chaos War allowed them to bring back all the characters, that's what did it--the realization that they could have the original team back. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:56 Strommy

2:57
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Greg giving props to editor Mark Paniccia, who really championed the book. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:57 Strommy

2:58
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Just asked about Wolverine, Namor, the X-Men and/or the Avengers showing up in the first eight issues. Fred laughed. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:58 UltimateKidNova

2:58
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They're keeping mum on guest appearances--one of those four mentioned is a yes, but you may be surprised which one. Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:58 Strommy

2:59
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having such a fanboy moment! Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:59 Sibian

2:59
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Dollars to donuts its, Namor Tuesday February 15, 2011 2:59 iamericbass

3:00
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Are they looking to modernize the characters at all? They think they can retain some of the magic by going back to the original team members and what made them so special in the first place. Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:00 Strommy

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Fred noted that the original Alpha Flight #1 back in the 80's sold half a billion copies. Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:00 UltimateKidNova

3:01
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The book will have a modern feel and will be compelling to readers today. It's not a spoof book, it's a crazy action adventure thriller with a big canvas. Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:01 Strommy

3:01
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And that is the ballgame, folks! Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:01 UltimateKidNova

3:01
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Recap what we've learned, Strommy Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:01 UltimateKidNova

3:01
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you mean hockey game Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:01 US Agent

3:02
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@US Agent Yes! Sorry! Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:02 UltimateKidNova

3:02
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Alpha Flight by Fred Van Lente, Greg Pak and Dale Eaglesham begins in June, with a special prelude .1 issue drawn by Ben Oliver in May! Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:02 Strommy

3:02
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Boom! Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:02 UltimateKidNova

3:02
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Will a transcript of the q&a be put online? Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:02 Sibian

3:02
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Pick it up, for it will be AWESOME. Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:02 Strommy

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You can catch the replay of this liveblog on Marvel.com (http://marvel.com/) at your leisure, @Sibian! Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:03 UltimateKidNova

3:03
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I am so excited aboot this news. It made my week, eh! Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:03 canucklehead

3:03
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I have a feeling the demand will be met, i hope to see alot of Alpha Flight in the future Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:03 smo5000

3:03
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Thank you all for joining us! Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:03 Strommy

3:03
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Thanks for spending the afternoon with us and chatting about Alpha Flight, folks Look for more news and art on Marvel.com (http://marvel.com/) and also keep posted for the announcement of our next liveblog! Tuesday February 15, 2011 3:03 UltimateKidNova

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Later!

[Tawmis]

Read it all here (in a more organized fashion)...
http://marvel.com/news/story/15200/alpha_flight_liveblog

[cmdrkoenig67]

More here; http://www.multiversitycomics.com/2011/02/multiversity-comics-presents-fred-van.html

According to this article, everything that happened in the Chaos Wars has been undone (except for those dead folks who've been resurrected, they're still alive)....That means both Narya's godly family and the Great Beasts are alive again.

Dana

[MistressMerr]

Oh my goooooood, this creative team, I can't even. There are writers I prefer at Marvel right now and there are (very very few) artists I prefer, but for my money, this is the single best writers/artist team I can think of since... a very long time. Milligan/Allred X-Force, maybe.

So awesome.

[-K-M-]

Shaman's yellow design at the top of his shirt is different... but not by much? Or am I missing something else? And how does Marrina look different?

Shaman has facepaint on, and Marrina isnt as big but its her haircut thats different

[Le Messor]

Shaman has facepaint on...

I'm not seeing it, but it wouldn't be the first time. I notice his costume has 'fangs'.

The following is based on my email to The Master when he sent me the news yesterday (I didn't have time to read this thread when I got home last night) :

:) I wonder if that's something I'll pick up?


I note Aurora's using her gold costume from later Byrne issues.

I'll start with the negatives, because I swing that way.
Certain things fill me with trepidation:


The hard right fascist government story hook didn't hurt, the writers explained.

*sigh*, at least they're not working for them, or this'd be v2 all over again. Just once I'd love to see them do something actually daring and original, though - like a hard left government that's just as bigoted and hateful as a right - only with the opposite targets.


it fits right in with the 'Fear Itself' story line,

Ugh. And, I'll probably have to pick that up, too.

Pak said he had multiple copies of the "Alpha Flight" relaunch by John Byrne
and
noting that this will be the first appearance of the original team working together as one force on the page maybe ever

These are quibbles, but it causes a slight worry in that it shows a lack of knowledge of their history, which could bite them later.
Byrne has never relaunched Alpha Flight, and they have worked together on the page before - at least, the team as it'll appear in this book has (#s 3-5).

Things which fill me with much hope:

Alpha Flight
'nuff said.

YYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


overall he (Northstar) will become a full-time Canadian again.

Does that mean I can stop picking up Uncanny? Please, please take Madison Jeffries, too! (He was a Byrne character.)

Neither:


Asked whether the book will feel a bit dated,

I hope so!!!!!!!!!



Comments:

each time the fans have said, we don't just want a team with the name Alpha Flight on the cover, we want the originals back...

Were they quoting me, I wonder? (It's something I've said online multiple times, and my kind of phrasing.)

I love Anxy's comment on page 3.


I'm going to have to buy it because it's their last shot but I'm just not that interested.

It's *always* their last shot. At least Marvel hasn't (that I know of) said this yet.


It's not so much ignoring what came later, as not referencing it.

Uh, the difference being...?

Not from my email:
I'm so excited! I just can't hide it! I'm about to lose control, and I think I like it!

[-K-M-]

Look at Shaman's cheeks...he has three red lines on both sides

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6063/1342874-chaos_war_alpha_flight_super.jpg

[Le Messor]

The key quote for me, over on the newsarama link

The key quote for me, as indicated above, is in both links:
"Alpha Flight".


I'm the world's biggest Alpha Flight nerd.

Hey! There are a few of us here who would love to take that challenge! Phil, Rplass, me, Hank Pym?...
(and that's just going by number of appearances we own...)

- Le Messor
"I have a memory like a hawk."
~ overheard in a store

[Le Messor]

Look at Shaman's checks...he has three red lines on both sides

Sorry, I was looking at the other picture, not the Chaos Wars cover. Those lines are pretty obvious, and I'd be pretty dumb to miss them. I blame the fact I'm keeping my eyes crossed for this new series.

- Le Messor
Calvin: I have a question.
Dad: Sure Calvin. What do you want to know?
Calvin: If you plugged up your nose and mouth right before you sneezed, would the sneeze go out your eyes, or would your head explode?
Dad: I was kind of hoping you had a math problem or something.
Calvin: ... Either way I'm scared to try it.

[Phil]

IThese are quibbles, but it causes a slight worry in that it shows a lack of knowledge of their history, which could bite them later.
Byrne has never relaunched Alpha Flight, and they have worked together on the page before - at least, the team as it'll appear in this book has (#s 3-5).

I wouldn't be surprised if those quibbles were caused by CBR paraphrasing Pak's actual answers.

[Tawmis]

As for the lack of war paint; that's easily explained. War paint is for war. Chaos War. Now it's just an Alpha Flight series; no more war.

I can't even remember if Shaman actually WORE the War Paint within the issues of Chaos War, or if it was just the cover, for that matter...?

[Phil]

The cover was by Salva Espin and the interior by Reilly Brown, so the cover doesn't represent the inside.

[Phil]

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dale-eaglesham-alpha-flight-110216.html

DALE EAGLESHAM Heads Home for New Marvel ALPHA FLIGHT Series

[DaVeO]

Well, Fred answered my question on Facebook about Talisman appearing and he gave me the old "wait and see" answer.

*looks up to the sky*

VAN LENTE!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hankpym]

The key quote for me, as indicated above, is in both links:
"Alpha Flight".



Hey! There are a few of us here who would love to take that challenge! Phil, Rplass, me, Hank Pym?...
(and that's just going by number of appearances we own...)

- Le Messor
"I have a memory like a hawk."
~ overheard in a store

Lol...yes...I take that challenge!!

[Tawmis]

Well, Fred answered my question on Facebook about Talisman appearing and he gave me the old "wait and see" answer.

*looks up to the sky*

VAN LENTE!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it will focus on the original team. But I can almost be assured that Talisman will at least APPEAR - probably not any kind of big role - but she was a huge part of Shaman and everything that does with him. So I'd be VERY surprised if they didn't have at least SOME interaction with her.

[Flightpath07]

Nobody has commented on Puck yet. If you read the various quotes about him, they say they ar having trouble geting to use him becuz he is being used elsewhere. They also say that he will be in the series. Amd they also say that the Alpha Flight team is the 8 people who were brought together in the one-shot. Yet, again, they say that it is Byrne's original team, all working together for the first time since their first appearance.

Sounds like Puck may appear, but not as a teammate. Perhaps his role in Hell sets him up for a (villain?) role in Fear Itself?

[Tawmis]

Nobody has commented on Puck yet. If you read the various quotes about him, they say they ar having trouble geting to use him becuz he is being used elsewhere. They also say that he will be in the series. Amd they also say that the Alpha Flight team is the 8 people who were brought together in the one-shot. Yet, again, they say that it is Byrne's original team, all working together for the first time since their first appearance.

Sounds like Puck may appear, but not as a teammate. Perhaps his role in Hell sets him up for a (villain?) role in Fear Itself?

Well Puck didn't come back in Chaos War, and he doesn't appear on the cover we see of the new series... so I fear we won't have Puck be on the team. And since they're going with a clean slate, I doubt they're going to bring Puck back in the series...

[-K-M-]

As for the lack of war paint; that's easily explained. War paint is for war. Chaos War. Now it's just an Alpha Flight series; no more war.

I can't even remember if Shaman actually WORE the War Paint within the issues of Chaos War, or if it was just the cover, for that matter...?

Just the cover, never in the issue.

[Flightpath07]

From my blog...


While FVL says they are having difficulty in getting Puck released to them for this series, Pak somewhat contradicted this by saying that if the readers buy it and read it expecting to see Puck, they might be quite happy. They heavily hint that Puck will appear in the series…but nowhere is he listed as a part of the Alpha Flight team…

I think we can expect 'some' appearance by Puck in the maxi-series at least. Also, we should be looking for him elsewhere, as he is apparently being used elsewhere, and I tend to think that it is in the Fear Itself event.

[Garry/Al-Fan]

Allllrighty then!

This means I actually have a reason to go to the comic store, again.

Rats!


(not as) Disgruntled, (not as) Frustrated, (old-school) Alphan; (former) Omegan candidate

[DIGGER]

[QUOTE=Le Messor;77318]Sorry, I was looking at the other picture, not the Chaos Wars cover. Those lines are pretty obvious, and I'd be pretty dumb to miss them. I blame the fact I'm keeping my eyes crossed for this new series.

That's better than saying you were looking at his other cheeks:p.

DIGGER

[Flightpath07]

Bendis strikes again on his Twitter account...


sorry to announce the new alpha flight already died off panel in new avengers. it happened in between the gamefly and and the back cover :)

Seriously, he said it.

[Ahab]

Like some others, I didn't visit for a while and came back to this. This is awesome!
I guess I will be the one to bring up the elephant in the room though. They are finally testing the theory that has been bandied around so much - that the fans want the original Alpha Flight, not imposters, and that is what will sell. I certainly hope so. If this doesn't sell, I doubt Marvel will bother with Alpha Flight again for a LONG time, if ever.
Souds exciting though - looking forward to it! May can't come soon enough...

[MistressMerr]

They are finally testing the theory that has been bandied around so much - that the fans want the original Alpha Flight, not imposters
It only took them three relaunches in twenty years. ;)

[Tawmis]

Like some others, I didn't visit for a while and came back to this. This is awesome!
I guess I will be the one to bring up the elephant in the room though. They are finally testing the theory that has been bandied around so much - that the fans want the original Alpha Flight, not imposters, and that is what will sell. I certainly hope so. If this doesn't sell, I doubt Marvel will bother with Alpha Flight again for a LONG time, if ever.
Souds exciting though - looking forward to it! May can't come soon enough...

So do your part and buy more than 1 copy! Buy at least 2! And if you have a friend, get it for them too! :-D

[MistressMerr]

Remember, if you're buying multiple copies, be sure to tell your comic shop beforehand so they order more. Those are the numbers that count!

[bigbloo]

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I think I actually teared up a little there. I love Aurora's yellow costume and hair, so I wouldn't really mind if she went back to it. Marrina is looking very bestial, so I'm willing to bet that they will be exploring her rage, a hint of which was shown in the Chaos War oneshot.

So excited!!!

[Mokole]

They said in the interview that one or two of the team may be on the fascists' side. Who, now, could be the ones they want to be the 'spies'? After all, the new god of Chaos/Fear isn't playing favorites.

[Le Messor]

I wouldn't be surprised if those quibbles were caused by CBR paraphrasing Pak's actual answers.

Those are all very good points! You're probably right.


As for the lack of war paint; that's easily explained. War paint is for war. Chaos War. Now it's just an Alpha Flight series; no more war.

Not sure it needs explaining... As others have said, it's a cover-only thing (I only questioned it because I'd looked at a different cover, and was asking what paint we were talking about).


I think it will focus on the original team. But I can almost be assured that Talisman will at least APPEAR

Some part of me keeps expecting stuff like this because I keep forgetting it's limited.
Has unbridled optimism overtakien memory?


Nobody has commented on Puck yet.

Well, he's lord of Hell now, which makes him the devil. The devil is red. Therefore, he's a red dwarf.
That means he's in stasis for 3,000,000 years and will wake up as the last human surrounded by a hologram and a cat.


sorry to announce the new alpha flight already died off panel in new avengers. it happened in between the gamefly and and the back cover

Too soon, man, too soon! Not. Funny.

- Le Messor
"I have flabby thighs, but fortunately my stomach covers them."

[Le Messor]

Ha, I totally buggered out of here for a while because the ridiculous negativity was driving me crazy...

I'm truly sorry to hear that, especially since I'm one of the worst offenders.
Din't mean to drive other fans away.

That said, I stand by what I said before: "Hello."

- Le Messor
"I have gotten that dreaded furniture disease. That's when your chest is falling into your drawers!"

[Flightpath07]

Too soon, man, too soon! Not. Funny.

Even if it wasn't too soon, I still have two points to make about this;

1) Not ever, not if your name is Bendis.

2) FVL needs to tell him to shut his trap. How dare he ridicule the book that FVL is writing, before it even hits the stands? If you can't say something positive (and when it comes to Alpha, Bendis has proven that he cannot), then say nothing. And because this particular negative vibe is coming from Bendis, see #1 again.

[Le Messor]

1) Not ever, not if your name is Bendis.

By 'too soon', I meant 'while I still draw breath'... and given the evidence that I'm immortal...

[cmdrkoenig67]

Bendis doesn't like Alpha Flight, so I'd expect this sort of snark from him. If he gets the chance, he'll probably kill them off again.

Dana

[rplass]

Thanks to whoever deleted my other post on Bendis.

Flightpath07, you make a good point- who the hell cracks on another writer's book like that? Low class.

Bendis really came out on the wrong side here: no one is gushing over how amazing and exciting it was that he killed AF in New Avengers #16. No one praised him for a clever and well-written sequence of panels with thoughtful and realistic dialogue. No one looks back and cherishes that issue as a favorite moment in comic fandom.

Meanwile, everyone since the Jiminez variant cover, and especially for McCANn's Chaos War:Alpha Flight one shot, and now the new maxi series, everone has praise and good things to say about FVL, Pak and Eaglesham. The buzz and excitement is so positive and the future looks bright for the 1st issue.

He really needs to apologize to the creative team of the new book, the fans need to marginalize him for this abominable behaviorand his legacy as a "writer" speaks for itself - disdain and deserved acrimony follows one guy while cheers, smiley faces and hope follow others.

[Le Messor]

That's better than saying you were looking at his other cheeks:p.

Well, I do believe in turning the other cheek!


Flightpath07, you make a good point- who the hell cracks on another writer's book like that? Low class.

Not to mention that us fans are still reeling from his actions.


disdain and deserved acrimony follows one guy while cheers, smiley faces and hope follow others.

And something I'll just call 'the thing' follows me... but that's another story.

- Le Messor
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."

[MistressMerr]

Bendis really came out on the wrong side here: no one is gushing over how amazing and exciting it was that he killed AF in New Avengers #16. No one praised him for a clever and well-written sequence of panels with thoughtful and realistic dialogue. No one looks back and cherishes that issue as a favorite moment in comic fandom.
I'm pretty sure that was kind of the point. It was just a joke, guys. Bendis isn't exactly my favourite person, either, but these guys goof on each other all the time, I doubt his comment was meant in a mean-spirited way. The team that he unceremoniously offed to widespread disdain is back with a high-profile maxi, so he poked fun at his own actions. Not that big a deal.

[Le Messor]

It was just a joke, guys. Bendis isn't exactly my favourite person, either, but these guys goof on each other all the time, I doubt his comment was meant in a mean-spirited way.

I agree with you that's probably the intent; I'm just getting a 'salt. wound.' feel here.
To put it another way:

Thanks for bringing up such a painful memory. Why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it while you're at it?
840

Never read of any outcry from a rash number of fans demanding the return of Alpha Flight.

We've been negligent! How could a comics reader out there not have heard out outcry?
We're fans, we're rash!

- Le Messor
"I have no time to shop, yet my hair and fingernails continue to grow. So, what's the diff?"
~ Buffy, on death and her life

[MistressMerr]

I agree with you that's probably the intent; I'm just getting a 'salt. wound.' feel here.
Oh, I definitely get that. I was making :[ faces over his comment, too, I just think calls for his head on a platter are a touch excessive, lol.


We've been negligent! How could a comics reader out there not have heard out outcry?
We're fans, we're rash!
At least Marvel heard it, heh.

[Le Messor]

Oh, I definitely get that. I was making :[ faces over his comment, too, I just think calls for his head on a platter are a touch excessive, lol.

Just a touch.
:-?

[Sasquatch17]

Its been 24 hours since I heard that Alpha Flight was returning with the original lineup san Puck.

I'm still stunned.

[Flightpath07]

Well, I know I wasn't calling for Bendis' head on a platter (i'd chuck it in the garbage disposal), but i do think that his negative 'jokes' call for him to apologize to FVL and Pak et al, and to staple his lips shut. His comments, being read as they are by so many, are apt to put a hole in the hull of the good ship Alpha before she even leaves the dock. That's just not right.

[Trewqp]

Can't.... control..... the excitement....

Someone give me a hug!

:D

[Flightpath07]

Someone give me a hug!

[-X

Now now, this is not an avatar dating site... (or is it...?)

[Bill P]

WOW. I don't visit the site for a couple of days and boy...

[Phil]

Oh, and for anyone who has access to it, don't miss the Toronto Star this weekend for an interview with Grek, Fred & Dale.

[Flightpath07]

Hey Phil, what are our chances of an alphaflight.net exclusive interview with Pak or Eaglesham or Van Lente?

[Tawmis]

Hey Phil, what are our chances of an alphaflight.net exclusive interview with Pak or Eaglesham or Van Lente?

If someone from here reaches out to them - I bet they'd do it. I've gotten interviews on New Warriors because I run NewWarriors.com which is nowhere near as well laid out as this site.

[Phil]

Hey Phil, what are our chances of an alphaflight.net exclusive interview with Pak or Eaglesham or Van Lente?

Meh... doesn't really sound like the kind of thing we'd be into here.

[Phil]

I mean, an interview with the creative team of Alpha Flight, for AlphaFlight.net?
I think I'll pass.

[Flightpath07]

Phil, Phil, Phil...your sense of humour...wow, you shock me... ;)

[Phil]

Phil, Phil, Phil...your sense of humour...wow, you shock me... ;)

As long as I only shock you off panel.

[Phil]

Because I'm being deadly serious.

[Le Messor]

That only makes me laugh harder.

[Phil]

With A Vengence?

And that'll be my last Off Topic comment, I promise.

[Le Messor]

You have shamed me into talking about the maxi-series...

Um...
Uh...
Look! There's a three-headed monkey behind you!

[Phil]

So people... do we reckon that this'll be 'Alpha Flight (Volume 4)' or 'Fear Itself: Alpha Flight' ?

[Ben]

So people... do we reckon that this'll be 'Alpha Flight (Volume 4)' or 'Fear Itself: Alpha Flight' ? Vol 4, since only the first few issues will bear Fear Itself on the title.

[Phil]

Well, Fear Itself #2 is June and that's a 7 issue series, so providing that ships on a monthly basis #1-6 could well be prefaced?

[cmdrkoenig67]

Maybe Alpha is going to pop up with a one-shot, mini or maxi each event?

Dana

[Flightpath07]

Seeing as how much popularity Pak and Van Lente have had on other series...this'll be Volume 4, an ongoing series. Spinning out of Chaos War, pushed forward by Fear Itself, then standing on its own due to blossoming popluarity.

[Le Messor]

Maybe Alpha is going to pop up with a one-shot, mini or maxi each event?

That would be kind of cool if they keep of the trend of it actually being Alpha, but I think I'd like it better if they weren't tied down to the event of the month.

But, hey, an Alpha Flight comic is an Alpha Flight comic...
... 'cept all those Alpha Flight comics that aren't Alpha Flight comics...

- Le Messor
"I have often regretted my speech, never my silence."

[bigbloo]

Maybe Alpha is going to pop up with a one-shot, mini or maxi each event?

Dana

I think I would actually prefer it this way. Less pressure for the creative team to make up stories if they run out of something interesting to say, less chances of getting sucky filler stories.

[Le Messor]

less chances of getting sucky filler stories.

True, true - but also less chance of getting cool filler stories. You have to take risks to get gains. I think others say that better than I do.
Also, under an 'events-only' model, the team could never have their own stories; Alpha Flight would always be literally fighting somebody else's battles.

- Le Messor
"I have room for one more friend and he is everyman."
~ Woody Guthrie

[Flightpath07]

Because I'm being deadly serious.

I always pictured you as more Deadly Ernest.

[MistressMerr]

True, true - but also less chance of getting cool filler stories. You have to take risks to get gains. I think others say that better than I do.
Also, under an 'events-only' model, the team could never have their own stories; Alpha Flight would always be literally fighting somebody else's battles.
At least until the Master tries to conquer the Marvel universe in a 12-issue bi-monthly series with 14 tie-in books.

[Phil]

He'll be back from the dead eventually, I suppose.

[-K-M-]

I could see the Master appearing in the Maxi.

Also does anyone know more about the .5 issue that is coming out before the maxi?

[Le Messor]

Also does anyone know more about the .5 issue that is coming out before the maxi?

Just that it's only .1. We'll need four more of it before we get to .5.
Have you been reading the Chronology thread?

- Le Messor
"I have to exercise early in the morning before my brain figures out what I’m doing."

[Phil]

Patience young padawan.

[-K-M-]

My mistake, yeah meant to say Point 1 which comes out in May.

Also your right I did read the chronology thread haha

[Le Messor]

My mistake, yeah meant to say Point 1 which comes out in May.
Also your right I did read the chronology thread haha

How confuse else may I you?

[Flightpath07]

He'll be back from the dead eventually, I suppose.

;)

[DaVeO]

I read somewhere, (CBR?) that Fear Itself will be the subject of the first four issues of Alpha Flight. Was the link to The Star interview already posted? Yes? No? Maybe so? Well, here it is again. Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/article/941724)

As to that non-interview you weren't talking about. I'm friends with Fred Van Lente on Facebook so I'd be willing to try and set up an interview via whatever (email, chat, semaphore.) I've done this a couple times on Comicbloc with Gail Simone talking about her last (at the time) Birds of Prey work, also with Greg Rucka and Eric Trautmann near the end of their run on Checkmate. These were both done via the sites chat room. I moderated the chat.

[Phil]

Interviews aren't a problem, but thanks for the offer.

[DaVeO]

Interviews aren't a problem, but thanks for the offer.

No prob. :)

[Phil]

FVL podcast

http://www.multiversitycomics.com/2011/02/spoiler-alert-season-2-episode-2-fred.html

[-K-M-]

FVL podcast

http://www.multiversitycomics.com/2011/02/spoiler-alert-season-2-episode-2-fred.html

Alpha Flight talk begins in 19:06

[varo]

fvl is just so awesome. it made me giggle when he said he has no plans on killing guardian.....again. he just sounds like i would imagine myself sounding like if i ever got a chance to write this series. his love for the characters is just so obvious. didn't even think about it because its been so long since the originals have been together, but he brought up northstar and how his past would help the team out (i think he said terrorist past) and i forgot the one thing about northstar is how much he hated being on alpha flight, he only stuck around for aurora, i wonder what his angle is going to be this time.

[Phil]

Hmmm @ mention of Northstar's terrorist past.
That's the only fear I have from that interview....

[cmdrkoenig67]

fvl is just so awesome. it made me giggle when he said he has no plans on killing guardian.....again. he just sounds like i would imagine myself sounding like if i ever got a chance to write this series. his love for the characters is just so obvious. didn't even think about it because its been so long since the originals have been together, but he brought up northstar and how his past would help the team out (i think he said terrorist past) and i forgot the one thing about northstar is how much he hated being on alpha flight, he only stuck around for aurora, i wonder what his angle is going to be this time.

Jean Paul seemed to have grown a soft spot for Alpha near the end of Vol 1 (and in his own mini)...I'd like to think he sees them as family more now. Wasn't he hugging Heather in the One-shot?

Dana

[-K-M-]

Wasn't he hugging Heather in the One-shot?

Dana

Sure was.

[suzene]

Jean Paul seemed to have grown a soft spot for Alpha near the end of Vol 1 (and in his own mini)...I'd like to think he sees them as family more now. Wasn't he hugging Heather in the One-shot?

And he was fond enough of his teammates to go to Madison's bachelor party instead of telling them to get bent. I think he liked some of the Alphans OK in the end, he just had big problems with the group being government-controlled.

[Flightpath07]

Can't...wait...til...the...interview (you know, the one that nobody here is interested in)...gets...put...on...the...site...

:)

[Phil]

What interview?

[Flightpath07]

exactly

[Le Messor]

I've now heard the podcast... I was right before about the team having been together before (the one he lists in Uncanny 120-121, AF #s 1-4 and 12).

I don't like the 'evil government' idea.

The "Alpha Flight is a dead brain cell" comment is hilarious in context (and for those who haven't listened to the 'cast, it is not a dis!)

SPOILER













Guardian's not a leprechaun in this. :cry:

- Le Messor
Buffy: My brain isn't really functioning on the higher levels. It's pretty much fire bad, tree pretty.
Giles: Understandable. Well, when it's working again congratulate it on a good campaign. You did very well.
Buffy: Thank you. I will.
Giles: I ah... I managed to ferret this out of the wreckage. Now, it may not interest you, but... (pulls out a high school diploma)

Giles: I'd say you earned it. There is a certain dramatic irony that's attached to all this. A synchronicity that borders on... on predestination, one might say.
Buffy: Fire bad, tree pretty.
~

[kozzi24]

Heather also covered Northstar's back in the Northstar series, and I am sure that the support he received from his teammates when he adopted Joanne made him somewhat appreciative of the other Alphas.
There may also be a factor of appreciating your old friends more when some of them have dies, at least temporarily.

[Ahab]

I like that they said in the podcast that other characters from throughout Alpha's history will show up and some of the appearances may surprise us. I am really looking forward to this.

[Le Messor]

some of the appearances may surprise us

Puck will show up in a dress?

[Phil]

So, I've just got back from a con over here in the UK, and whilst at it I had a quick chat with Ben Oliver, artist of the 0.1 issue.
He got the script on Thursday and is starting work on it tomorrow!
I got a quick sketch of Sasquatch from him, the first time he's drawn him, so I'll try and post that up at some point over the next few days.
For now I need to detox & sleep!

[Phil]

Jean Paul seemed to have grown a soft spot for Alpha near the end of Vol 1 (and in his own mini)...I'd like to think he sees them as family more now.

I think the fact that he has a steady relationship helps to, as I think Aurora alludes to in NX #2.
I always thought that a lot of Northstar's tension was that he had feelings for Walter originally and that was part of why he hated Aurora being with him.
That was just my original take on reading it though, I'm likely wrong.

[Flightpath07]

You are taking sleep over sharing a new pic of Sas with us !?!?

Oh man, I feel so rejected...

[Phil]

Right, I've got time for a blurry photo of the sketch which was just a quick sketch without research or reference.

844
I like it a lot. Not Byrne-esque but a definite improvement on a lot of artists' versions. I'm looking forward to #0.1! Not that I wasn't anyway, mind....

I've also put a new one from Transformers legend Andrew Wildman over on my site.

[Le Messor]

Since it was done without reference, I'm impressed.

[kozzi24]

I think the fact that he has a steady relationship helps to, as I think Aurora alludes to in NX #2.
I always thought that a lot of Northstar's tension was that he had feelings for Walter originally and that was part of why he hated Aurora being with him.
That was just my original take on reading it though, I'm likely wrong.

In #24, the Artificer "needs" "one who loves him, one who hates him and one of great power" to rescue Walter's soul. While this quickly proved to be a trap, why would he bait a group of rescuers with one who hates him unless he could sense that hatred? I always figured he hated Aurora being with Walt because he hated Walt.
Mantlo's later confession by Northstar to Wanda of "preferring the man you were" as an eye candy factor, not lust.
Think about it. In their high school years, JP was a self-aware gay kid and Walt was a jock and a bully. It's very reasonable that JP would truly hate him.

[Phil]

In #24, the Artificer "needs" "one who loves him, one who hates him and one of great power" to rescue Walter's soul. While this quickly proved to be a trap, why would he bait a group of rescuers with one who hates him unless he could sense that hatred? I always figured he hated Aurora being with Walt because he hated Walt.
Again, it was just my original take, but intense feelings can easily become hate when spurned.


Mantlo's later confession by Northstar to Wanda of "preferring the man you were" as an eye candy factor, not lust.
It could work either way, but I'm basing it simply on Byrne's initial conflict between the two.


Think about it. In their high school years, JP was a self-aware gay kid and Walt was a jock and a bully. It's very reasonable that JP would truly hate him.
Would J-P have known that from their initial meeting? I'm not saying 'love at first sight' as I hadn't mentioned love, just feelings, but a physical attraction on first impression. THEN he discovered he was a bully THEN he started a relationship with his sister THEN he genetically altered his sister and distanced the two of them after only recently finding each other (in the grand scheme of things).
That'd be enough to have feelings become confused as hatred, or even turn into hatred, and certainly enough to cause tension within the ranks.

But again, it's been years since my first reading and it was just my initial thoughts.

[MistressMerr]

Yeah, between his tear-filled reaction to Walt's death ("Jean-Paul! You, too?") and Wanda's reaction to his revelation not really being in line with something as simple as JP's having had the hots for him once, I'd say it was definitely Mantlo's intention for there to have been some real feelings there.

[Le Messor]

I'd say it was definitely Mantlo's intention for there to have been some real feelings there.

Oh, I'd agree it was definitely Mantlo's intention.

- Le Messor
"I just realized something, something that never occurred to me before. We're gonna win."
~ Buffy

[suzene]

Again, it was just my original take, but intense feelings can easily become hate when spurned.

Jean-Paul protests that he doesn't hate Walter before quickly trying to cover his feelings, but the group ignores him, and then JP looks pained when it seems like they won't be able to save him -- he's even the first one to dash up and catch Roger when he exits Box, aiding in getting Walter his new body that much more swiftly. That was why the attempt at retrieval didn't go as planned -- there wasn't anyone in the group to fulfill the "hate" requirement. So I think that it was originally Byrne's intention to have JP feel some affection for Walter, and it just turned out to be one of the few things Mantlo carried over intact into his run.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Jean Paul's unspoken "love" for Walter is just another in a long line of contradictions/continuity screw-jobs to what Byrne had already written about the characters...Sigh. Again, I loved Mantlo's work on other books, but with Alpha Flight, I continually ask...WHY BILL, WHY?!

Dana

[DIGGER]

Puck will show up in a dress?

It would have to be a miniskirt otherwise...y'know...he'd keep tripping over it.

DIGGER

[Alpha Fan]

I know I'm a bit late but... I'm so glad to have Alpha Flight back!!! I hadn't been so excited about a Marvel book since AF volume 2. And it's the original team! It seems Marvel finally listened to fans.

Everything looks good so far. A writer who knows and respects the characters, a good artist and... Phil Jimenez's covers! I hope it becomes a regular series so that we can enjoy AF regularly for many years!

Now, things I'd like to see:

- The old AF chemistry from the Byrne days.
- Mac and Heather's daughter being named. And Heather as a leader, I don't want another Jewel-like character. She's as clever, capable and strong (if not more) as Mac
- Snowbird using her vast array of powers
- Northstar *****y attitude
- Keep Aurora's mental problems in the closet. She's had too much already. A little bit of normality in that respect won't hurt.
- A few of AF classic villains coming back and a personal favourite... Pink Pearl :)
- Oh, and I almost forgot! Marvel Legends figures of Northstar, Aurora, Snowbird, Shaman, Puck, Vindicator and Marrina!!!

[suzene]

If we're unpacking our wishlists for the new series, I can certainly think of a few things...

[DelBubs]

I never thought I would actually say this, but I think I'd prefer the occasional Maxi Issue story line which was well thought out, instead of an ongoing which would inevitably become the soap opera type book which seems to be the fate of ongoing series.

[Phil]

I never thought I would actually say this, but I think I'd prefer the occasional Maxi Issue story line which was well thought out, instead of an ongoing which would inevitably become the soap opera type book which seems to be the fate of ongoing series.

Firstly - IT'S ALIVE!?!?!!!!!

And b) I agree.

[DelBubs]

Firstly - IT'S ALIVE!?!?!!!!!

And b) I agree.

Very much alive, just a lot slower. Just starting to come out of my winter fugue. Old enthusiasm's are starting to resurface {guardian}

[Le Messor]

Just starting to come out of my winter fugue.

Yay you! I'm just heading into winter.

[Mrfurious87]

Finally more Marrina, a reason to get back into marvel, lets hope she actually stays this time around.

[Wildcard]

I do have to admit, part of me finds it interesting that Joe Quesada moves to handling movies and such while a new editor in chief is appointed and bada-bing - new Alpha Flight series.

[Le Messor]

I do have to admit, part of me finds it interesting that Joe Quesada moves to handling movies and such while a new editor in chief is appointed and bada-bing - new Alpha Flight series.

Not that we're drawing connections here.
I like to think of it more as sculpting.

- Le Messor
"I knew the dog was possessive about the car but I would not have asked her to drive it if I had thought there was any risk."
~ supposed actual response on an insurance form

[DelBubs]

Not that we're drawing connections here.
I like to think of it more as sculpting.

- Le Messor
"I knew the dog was possessive about the car but I would not have asked her to drive it if I had thought there was any risk."
~ supposed actual response on an insurance form

Us non artistic types prefer to join the dots. That way we have the illusion of art with non of the profficiency of the artist.

[Phil]

Yeah... let's stay away from public thoughts like that... just to be on the safe side...

[Le Messor]

Yeah, we don't want to attack people here. Ideas, maybe, if they're bad - but not the people.

- LM
"I knew they could pile it pretty high and pretty deep, but I never knew they could get it to talk."

[Phil]

Alpha Flight to have Variant Covers? (http://www.daleeaglesham.com/Denizens/index.php?topic=875.0)

Eaglesham AND Jimenez covers!

[suzene]

Sweeeeeet...

[Flightpath07]

:)

[mos_def]

Ive been out of the loop since I just had my baby girl. This is great to come back to the site and see this. FVL is great with Alpha. He might even rival Byrnes run

[Flightpath07]

FVL is great with Alpha. He might even rival Byrnes run

Most definitely, Mos_Def.

And welcome back.

[varo]

fred van lente is not shy about giving interviews or taking questions from fans which i love about him.

anyways, he did a interview and my tweet question was asked about the hudsons baby (pmoody28 listen at about the 17:20 mark

http://byodinsbeard.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/ragin-ravens-episode-11/

then i tweeted him about continuation of the numbering (more of a joke) and beta flight, to which he replied:


fredvanlente (http://twitter.com/#%21/fredvanlente) Fred Van Lente



See AF #0.1 for Beta.
RT @pmoody28 (http://twitter.com/pmoody28) Once #alphaflight (http://twitter.com/#%21/search?q=%23alphaflight) becomes ongoing: continuation of numbering (131) and beta flight back! make it so!

i dont think we could have asked for a better creative team with the ideas we have all been wishing for. if alpha flight fails this time it wont be from lack of effort.

i just pre-ordered 10 copies!!

[Phil]

Betans? :O

See, this is how I know Fred loves the title.

[Phil]

And again, thanks to Varo (http://www.alphaflight.net/member.php?797-varo) we have this lil titbit of info from FVL over on Dale Eaglesham's site (http://www.daleeaglesham.com/Denizens/index.php?topic=879.msg50615#msg50615)


hey guys, was just curious about a few characters involvement. any chance we see:

1) talisman?Likely.

[Legerd]

Thanks for posting that Phil. So far everything about this maxi-series and the .1 issue is hitting all the right notes. The only thing now is for Marvel to promote it more as the company has been absent when it comes to pushing it. Not that the creative crew hasn't been out there doing interviews and posting on their websites, I just would hope folks like Brevoort would be shilling it in his Talk To The Hat column, and that they would post something about the .1 in the May solicits on the Marvel website. Still, very exciting.

Man, can't wait for May to roll around! :D

[cmdrkoenig67]

It's too bad there weren't more Byrne-created Alpha characters around for them to use. Unfortunately, Most of them have been killed off (Wild Child, Diamond Lil, Nemesis, Bochs/Box, Smart Alec, the Master, etc...), while some are stuck in X-Men (like Madison).

There's always Pink Pearl?

Dana :D

[DelBubs]

Maybe they finally got around to digging up Radius :-)

[Garry/Al-Fan]

If---if---the maxi-series becomes an ongoing series, I hope that the editors and writers and artists will be willing to say whether:

(1) the Eugene Judd with short bones who was nearly disembowled by Marrina is the same Eugene Judd who is tall and has a sorcerer living inside of him;

(2) the Elizabeth Twoyoungmen/Talisman who was told by her father that the Coronet of Enchantment could never be removed is the same Elizabeth Twoyoungmen/Talisman who had the Coronet taken away and worn by her (aged) father;

(3) the Michael Twoyoungmen who successfully operated on Eugene Judd [see # 1] and helped Aurora with her cracked ribs is the same Michael Twoyoungmen who (while wearing the Coronet of Enchantment)
let Heather/Vindicator kill "Snowbird"

(4) the Aurora and Northstar who use logic and reasoning are the same Aurora and Northstar who couldn't figure out that any contact negates their powers made them a liability to the team, and in fact never mentioned it;

(5) the same team that confronted a demented Lionel Jeffries who had turned a hospital full of innocent patients, doctors, and nurses into monsters is the same team that would even consider for a second making the self-same Lionel Jeffries a member of the team (did I mention that Lionel supposedly "cured himself" and the only one to have witnessed this is his brother Madison Jeffries, whom Lionel had used his monster-making powers on)

It's probably obvious that I think it is a terrible idea to graft what could be a good run onto the "Mantlo Era" continuity.

[Hankpym]

If---if---the maxi-series becomes an ongoing series, I hope that the editors and writers and artists will be willing to say whether:

(1) the Eugene Judd with short bones who was nearly disembowled by Marrina is the same Eugene Judd who is tall and has a sorcerer living inside of him;

(2) the Elizabeth Twoyoungmen/Talisman who was told by her father that the Coronet of Enchantment could never be removed is the same Elizabeth Twoyoungmen/Talisman who had the Coronet taken away and worn by her (aged) father;

(3) the Michael Twoyoungmen who successfully operated on Eugene Judd [see # 1] and helped Aurora with her cracked ribs is the same Michael Twoyoungmen who (while wearing the Coronet of Enchantment)
let Heather/Vindicator kill "Snowbird"

(4) the Aurora and Northstar who use logic and reasoning are the same Aurora and Northstar who couldn't figure out that any contact negates their powers made them a liability to the team, and in fact never mentioned it;

(5) the same team that confronted a demented Lionel Jeffries who had turned a hospital full of innocent patients, doctors, and nurses into monsters is the same team that would even consider for a second making the self-same Lionel Jeffries a member of the team (did I mention that Lionel supposedly "cured himself" and the only one to have witnessed this is his brother Madison Jeffries, whom Lionel had used his monster-making powers on)

It's probably obvious that I think it is a terrible idea to graft what could be a good run onto the "Mantlo Era" continuity.



There is no way to fix that garbage...which is exactly what it was. Only way around it is to ignore it....which is what I think that the new creative team will do.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I agree with Hankpym...I also think the best approach is to not address said continuity screw jobs, especially Puck's "origin". I really don't think there is any way to fix Puck without some sort of reboot, since several authors have established that Puck used to be tall and that Razer was the cause of his short stature.

The only way I can see to do said clean up in aisle 4 (hockey gear), is to do a soft reboot/retcon...Say Puck returns and he mentions having Achondroplasia (maybe more than once) as Byrne intended and originally stated in the book, but have no character in the book ever mention Razer again. Said retcon/reboot would only be successful if it was consistent moving forward from that point on, was set in stone in future Handbook Puck entries and if certain fans actually allowed it to be Puck's accepted history (there is no guarantee of the last one, though...Even though I personally, would be fine with it).

Dana

[Flightpath07]

OR...the Razor/Puck was really a Skrull!

[Hankpym]

yknow...I never count the continuity error that said Bochs and Jefferies knew each other before Byrne's run. Actually I think it was kind of corrected when Jeffries says in issue #63 (I think) that when he hooked up with bochs to get revenge on Omega Flight it was the first time they met. So....I just chalked up Mantlo's error as having scramble mess with jeffries and boch's mind since he touched them both. I also attribute that to boch's insanity....since it made no sense for him to suddenly to go nuts when Mac said he was a stable individual.

[mos_def]

yknow...I never count the continuity error that said Bochs and Jefferies knew each other before Byrne's run. Actually I think it was kind of corrected when Jeffries says in issue #63 (I think) that when he hooked up with bochs to get revenge on Omega Flight it was the first time they met. So....I just chalked up Mantlo's error as having scramble mess with jeffries and boch's mind since he touched them both. I also attribute that to boch's insanity....since it made no sense for him to suddenly to go nuts when Mac said he was a stable individual.

Hank Pym is wise. Look at the new guy dropping intense Alpha continuity

[Hankpym]

Hank Pym is wise. Look at the new guy dropping intense Alpha continuity

LOL! Thanks!

[Flightpath07]

Hank Pym is wise. Look at the new guy dropping intense Alpha continuity

Plus, he's dating Tigra!

[Hankpym]

Plus, he's dating Tigra!

LOL..I guess you could say that...:)

[Flightpath07]

Oooooo...I'm getting jealous! Tigra is H-O-T!

[Phil]

And over on Grek Pak's Twitter:



Do not miss a single issue of "Alpha Flight." That's all I'm saying. RT @MattSD1 (http://twitter.com/MattSD1) Two questions: 1) Where is Purple Girl?

[Phil]

From the ComicVine coverage of C2E2's Fear Itself panel (http://www.comicvine.com/news/c2e2-2011-fear-itself-panel/142912/):

Alpha Flight (no visuals provided) will show what's going on North of the border. The original team is back. The government has changed and Alpha Flight is fighting a new government super group.

Bold-ing is my addition.

Edit; also similar to the post below but with more a hint



Will Puck be in Alpha Flight? "Maaaaaaaybe."

[Phil]

Newsarama's coverage (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/c2e2-marvel-fear-itself-live-110319.html):


Puck in Alpha Flight? "Maybe," Van Lente answered.

[Le Messor]

Hmm... New team? That's a cool idea, whether they use new characters or old.
But I hope it's a real superteam, and not yet another Weapon X style thing (the program, not the comics series).

Still, either way, could be cool.

- Le Messor
"I never blame myself when I'm not hitting. I just blame the bat, and if it keeps up, I change bats. After all, if I know it isn't my fault that I'm not hitting, how can I get mad at myself?"
~ Yogi Berra (attrib)

[Flightpath07]

Puck could be in it? And Purple Girl? Hunting down the other members of Alpha Flight? Interesting...I mean, yes, it's been done before in AF, but still...I'm hooked.

[Mokole]

I wouldn't mind seeing a team based on villains or even a Weapon X style thing, because then AF could cut loose and kick there sorry *ss*s back to the Stone Age.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Holy Carp! Who could be on a new government team and as adversaries to Alpha Flight? Especially, if Van Lente/Pak and Co. are trying to stick with Byrne-created content?

Dana

[Phil]

From Comic Vine's coverage of the Cup O'Joe Panel at C2E2: (http://www.comicvine.com/news/c2e2-2011-cup-of-joe-panel/142913/)


What will happen with Northstar now that Alpha Flight is coming back? He'll be on both Alpha Flight and the X-Men.

[Legerd]

On Diamond's June Solicits (http://previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=23&s=213&ai=106758&ssd=) it lists Alpha Flight #1 as being $3.99 and #1 of 7. Isn't it an eight issue maxi-series, or is the .1 issue being lumped in? Also, will all the books be priced at $4, or is it just the first issue? Not that I won't buy them, just wondering.

[suzene]

From Comic Vine's coverage of the Cup O'Joe Panel at C2E2: (http://www.comicvine.com/news/c2e2-2011-cup-of-joe-panel/142913/)

Pity -- he's wasted there, and I fear Gillen will follow Fraction's lead in regards to characterization.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Northstar being on more than one team makes more sense than Wolverine being on three to four teams, any day of the week.

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

From Comic Vine's coverage of the Cup O'Joe Panel at C2E2: (http://www.comicvine.com/news/c2e2-2011-cup-of-joe-panel/142913/)


On Diamond's June Solicits (http://previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=23&s=213&ai=106758&ssd=) it lists Alpha Flight #1 as being $3.99 and #1 of 7. Isn't it an eight issue maxi-series, or is the .1 issue being lumped in? Also, will all the books be priced at $4, or is it just the first issue? Not that I won't buy them, just wondering.

Yeah...I could have sworn there to be nine issues total (including .1).

Dana

[suzene]

Northstar being on more than one team makes more sense than Wolverine being on three to four teams, any day of the week.

Dana

Of course, but I'd rather him be on one team where he's written well, than two teams where the poorer characterization is going to be the more visible of the two.

[DIGGER]

I'd love to see the original Omega Flight as the new Gov't ops with maybe the brain patterns of Jaxon in the robot formerly known as Delphine. What better way to strike "fear itself" in Guardian and Vindicator than to have the man who (sort of) killed Mac first and the person/robot who kidnapped Heather and then impersonated her dead husband. The only problem is that I think only Wild Child is still alive from that original group... unless the new writer is somehow able to revive them as well.

DIGGER

[cmdrkoenig67]

Of course, but I'd rather him be on one team where he's written well, than two teams where the poorer characterization is going to be the more visible of the two.

Oh, I agree Suzene...My post wasn't a response to your comment, it was a response to the Q&A "What will happen with Northstar now that Alpha Flight is coming back? He'll be on both Alpha Flight and the X-Men. "

I'd rather Northstar be with Alpha where he has a much better chance to be used and written well. I guess I was making more of a comment on the absurdity of Wolverine being on so many teams, where Jean Paul could do it easily.

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

I'd love to see the original Omega Flight as the new Gov't ops with maybe the brain patterns of Jaxon in the robot formerly known as Delphine. What better way to strike "fear itself" in Guardian and Vindicator than to have the man who (sort of) killed Mac first and the person/robot who kidnapped Heather and then impersonated her dead husband. The only problem is that I think only Wild Child is still alive from that original group... unless the new writer is somehow able to revive them as well.

DIGGER

Wild Child is dead as far as we know (killed by Omega Red), then again...He didn't appear in the Wolverine in Hell storyline (or did he?), if that means anything. Flashback is the only other known possible survivor, he's just gone into retirement/hiding. Truthfully, Robot MX39147 (A.K.A. Delphine Courtney) could easily return, since as a robot, her memories and programming could have been saved somewhere.

Dana

[Flightpath07]

Truthfully, Robot MX39147 (A.K.A. Delphine Courtney) could easily return, since as a robot, her memories and programming could have been saved somewhere.

Since her body became Vindicator's flight suit, it'd be great to see her come back with her original body, by taking over the Vindicator suit and rebuilding herself. After all, Heather could just switch to the green suit from Volume 2...

I'm just imagining the visuals of Heather's suit coming to life and trying to kill her...awesome!

[Le Messor]

I'm just imagining the visuals of Heather's suit coming to life and trying to kill her...awesome!

We've all been there.

I don't know, though, having Robot MXPX74656 come alive again that way... I've always worried somebody would do that, since it'd retcon the way she died, and be a bit... spidermanblackcostumey. Dana's 'downloading her memories into a new body' idea seems likelier.

- Le Messor
"I procrastinate, especially when the task is unpleasant."

[Phil]

On Diamond's June Solicits (http://previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=23&s=213&ai=106758&ssd=) it lists Alpha Flight #1 as being $3.99 and #1 of 7. Isn't it an eight issue maxi-series, or is the .1 issue being lumped in? Also, will all the books be priced at $4, or is it just the first issue? Not that I won't buy them, just wondering.

The original quote from the press conference was:

At the moment, the series is slotted for 8 issues — with a special Point One issue illustrated by Ben Oliver out in May.

"I imagine, that if there is enough audience demand, there will be a ninth and subsequent issue," Van Lente said.

At the time I presumed that meant 8 issues plus a 0.1, but reading it now it definitely looks to be a 0.1 plus 7 issues.

As to the price; these days all Marvel first issues are $3.99 with most 2nd's going down to $2.99 BUT with this being specifically launched with the careful phrasing of Maxi-series, it could well all be $3.99.

[cmdrkoenig67]

At the time I presumed that meant 8 issues plus a 0.1, but reading it now it definitely looks to be a 0.1 plus 7 issues.

As to the price; these days all Marvel first issues are $3.99 with most 2nd's going down to $2.99 BUT with this being specifically launched with the careful phrasing of Maxi-series, it could well all be $3.99.

I thought the same as you, Phil (from the info in the original quote). What's with Marvel putting Alpha Flight into odd numbered mini/maxi-series? Omega had 5 issues, now Alpha's new maxi has 7? it should be a nice round number, like 8, 10 or even 12.

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

We've all been there.

I don't know, though, having Robot MXPX74656 come alive again that way... I've always worried somebody would do that, since it'd retcon the way she died, and be a bit... spidermanblackcostumey. Dana's 'downloading her memories into a new body' idea seems likelier.

- Le Messor
"I procrastinate, especially when the task is unpleasant."

Yeah...To me, it seems odd that a machine with a highly-intelligent, vengeful mind like Dephine wouldn't have had a back-up plan of some sort. She was terrified of Madison Jeffries (and knew he was loyal to Mac), which is why she never recruited him into Omega Flight...One would think she'd have some contingency in place if she were ever to meet him.

Dana

[Le Messor]

The original quote from the press conference was:

On Diamond's June Solicits (http://previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=23&s=213&ai=106758&ssd=) it lists Alpha Flight #1 as being $3.99 and #1 of 7. Isn't it an eight issue maxi-series, or is the .1 issue being lumped in? Also, will all the books be priced at $4, or is it just the first issue? Not that I won't buy them, just wondering.
At the time I presumed that meant 8 issues plus a 0.1, but reading it now it definitely looks to be a 0.1 plus 7 issues.

I can see how 8 issues is a cromulent reading, but I still read '8 with a .1' as either 9 or 8.1 .


Of course, but I'd rather him be on one team where he's written well, than two teams where the poorer characterization is going to be the more visible of the two.

Yah, me three.


Yeah...To me, it seems odd that a machine with a highly-intelligent, vengeful mind like Dephine wouldn't have had a back-up plan of some sort.

That, and the idea that she survived what Madison did to her just seems silly. And, she survived all this time, then decides NOW (for any given value of now, after all this time) to come out? And, what, Madison never ever thought to check for that? And, he made the suit out of the thinking parts?

It would require way too many leaps of thought... but simply 'downloaded into a new body' totally makes sense to me as is.

- Le Messor
"I pulled away from the side of the road, glanced at my mother-in-law and headed over the embankment."
~ alleged insurance claim form

[Phil]

I can see how 8 issues is a cromulent reading, but I still read '8 with a .1' as either 9 or 8.1 .

I think it's just been badly paraphrased and that 'starting with a special 0.1 in May' rather than 'with a special 0.1 in May' would have been the better way to phrase it.

[Phil]

Ignore that!

Confirmation from Greg Pak himself via twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/gregpak/status/50171127909203968):


@AlphaFlight_net (http://twitter.com/AlphaFlight_net) Hey, it's the 0.1 plus eight issues. So the solicit is wrong -- should read 1 of 8.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Yay!
The more the better.

Dana

[Phil]

And the official Marvel solicits echo that!

[Mokole]

Yay for Mr. Pak!

[Le Messor]

Excellent...
862

[Phil]

On Diamond's June Solicits (http://previewsworld.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=23&s=213&ai=106758&ssd=) it lists Alpha Flight #1 as being $3.99 and #1 of 7. Isn't it an eight issue maxi-series, or is the .1 issue being lumped in? Also, will all the books be priced at $4, or is it just the first issue? Not that I won't buy them, just wondering.

From FVL on twitter: (http://twitter.com/#!/fredvanlente/status/50362741495570432)


Alpha Flight #1 should be the only $3.99 one. RT @JonnyMcGarrigle (http://twitter.com/JonnyMcGarrigle) Will the rest of series be 3.99 and extra sized or 2.99 and normal sized?

[Mokole]

Hooray, writers and artists with talent and kindness!

[Legerd]

From FVL on twitter: (http://twitter.com/#!/fredvanlente/status/50362741495570432)

Cool, thanks for posting that. :)

[Le Messor]

From FVL on twitter:
(http://twitter.com/#!/fredvanlente/status/50362741495570432)Alpha Flight #1 should be the only $3.99 one. RT @JonnyMcGarrigle (http://twitter.com/JonnyMcGarrigle) Will the rest of series be 3.99 and extra sized or 2.99 and normal sized?

The rest will be $15.99?
:p

- Le Messor
"I took a course in speed reading and was able to read War and Peace in twenty minutes. It's about Russia."
~ Woody Allen

[cmdrkoenig67]

Yes...$15.99 is the going rate for a quality Alpha Flight comic. :p

Dana

[Phil]

Some FVL quotes from over on Dale Eaglesham's board (http://www.daleeaglesham.com/Denizens/index.php?topic=879.msg51034#msg51034):

Windshear was a mutant who was depowered by House of M. Earthmover is a more interesting case, but if there's going to be a "Junior Shaman" running around, wouldn't we rather see Talisman?

The X-Office has declared Madison off-limits to us, I'm afraid.

Box, though...

[Flightpath07]

"Box, though..."

Oh my...I feel faint!

[Hankpym]

Nice...probably not Roger though....:(

What a great character until....well we all know....

[Flightpath07]

What a great character until....well we all know....

...he got legs, they were dead legs, Aurora used him, he went crazy, Scramble absorbed him, he got killed. Yup, we know.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Ugh...Yeah. Roger was an interesting character under Byrne...It's still horrifying to see how Bill Mantlo just destroyed him (Again, I love Bill's other work in The Micronauts and Rom...I just don't get why he did what he did in Alpha).

Dana

[Le Messor]

I have a trope called 'Sowing the weeds', where a writer sets up really cool ideas or leads us down the garden path or something, then the next writer comes along, looks only at the surface, and uses what the original writer wrote to completely ruin it.

Examples here are Byrne making Roger look evil for a bit, so that Mantlo could go 'oh, he's evil'... (Okay, not a great example of this...)
The big one, of course, is Mac's infamous return from the dead; the deliberately stupid cover story by Courtney later said to be true.

- Le Messor
"You get a TV guide, you don't need a TV."
- Grandpa, The Lost Boys

[Canucklehead]

I have a trope called 'Sowing the weeds', where a writer sets up really cool ideas or leads us down the garden path or something, then the next writer comes along, looks only at the surface, and uses what the original writer wrote to completely ruin it.

Examples here are Byrne making Roger look evil for a bit, so that Mantlo could go 'oh, he's evil'... (Okay, not a great example of this...)
The big one, of course, is Mac's infamous return from the dead; the deliberately stupid cover story by Courtney later said to be true.

I was just thinking today (after reading the first 29 issues again over the week) what some of you would have done differently if you were handed over the reigns with issue 29 instead of Mantlo. Obviously Byrne set up a lot more good potential then what we received...

[kozzi24]

I'm not sure how it all works nowadays, but post-Chaos War, can't just about any character be back from the dead with little explanation, such as Roger and Gary Cody>
What was the line in the Alpha one shot that said they rescued every Alphan from the dead that they could? NOTHING says everyone rescued went to the same spot that Heather, Mac, Shaman and Marrina appeared at.

[Le Messor]

I was just thinking today (after reading the first 29 issues again over the week) what some of you would have done differently if you were handed over the reigns with issue 29 instead of Mantlo.

I'd have moved out of home a lot sooner, that's fur sherrr.

[Flightpath07]

Well, my first villain would have been The Dudemeister, who just happens to be a huge fan of the Bill & Ted movies. And likes to rob video stores.

[Legerd]

I'd have moved out of home a lot sooner, that's fur sherrr.
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

[Le Messor]

Well, my first villain would have been The Dudemeister, who just happens to be a huge fan of the Bill & Ted movies. And likes to rob video stores.

I'd have called him De Nomolos... or Ed Solomon...

- Le Messor
"Their music ends world hunger, cleans up the ozone layer, brings about world peace... plus, it's excellent for dancing to."
~ Rufus

[Raja]

I'd love to see Wild Child back. but not completely retconned. He was a great grey-area character and I think that can still be pulled off here, if there's space. I really hope Pak et al don't retcon out Aurora and Wild Child's own romantic connection in favor of Walter and her. Sure, even if he's a twisted eloquent trickster, he still has people to call friends, and he loved her. Even if they're not together, I hope it's not retconned right out of existance.

[Le Messor]

I really hope Pak et al don't retcon out Aurora and Wild Child's own romantic connection in favor of Walter and her.

Given that Sas and Aurora was Byrne, and Wild Child and Aurora wasn't, I'd think the former would be more likely.
That said, it doesn't have to mean a full retcon.

- Le Messor
"I took an IQ test and the results were negative."

[Phil]

Another FVL interview (http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/04/18/exclusive-interview-writer-fred-van-lente-talks-alpha-flight) :D

Some choice snippets:

“We're retaining a lot of elements that have been introduced to the characters since the Byrne series. Sasquatch has led the team a couple of times, most recently in OMEGA FLIGHT, so there could be some friction with Guardian as a result. We're retaining the boyfriend, Kyle, Northstar acquired in NATION-X -- he's a major character in the new book. I think one of the best Alpha Flight stories I ever read was Aurora's battle with Norman Osborn in DARK X-MEN -- we're definitely showing how therapy has improved her life. But will it be enough...?
Marrina is getting a complete redesign, both visually and in attitude. Too often she's been defined by the men in her life, whether The Master or Norma. And she's too much of a goody two shoes for my taste. So she's losing the Shrinking Violet aspects of her personality and really coming into her own in this book. Early prediction: She will be the runaway fan favorite.
But of all the characters, I'd say the one undergoing the most significant changes is Purple Girl. Or should I say Purple Woman...?”

[suzene]

Already said my bit on the Aurora thing, so I won't rehash it again. As for the rest:

Kara? Serious squee! She was about the only thing I liked about the Mantlo run, and I was seriously annoyed that she nearly got an off-panel death.

Kyle as a major character? HELL YES! I need a dance partner, ya'll -- can't sit still!

Likewise pleased by the news of Marrina coming into her own, though I do want to see her kick Namor in the head still.

Is it May yet?

[Sypes]

Super excited about Kyle and Marrina! Never been a big fan of Purple Girl, but still excited to see what they are gonna do that could make her more interesting in my eyes! These cannot come out soon enough!

[Flightpath07]

I'll predict it here; Purple Woman is in charge of hunting down Alpha Flight! And she uses her powers to make Puck join her!

The biggest mystery, though, is why are they being so strange about Puck? They keep inferring that he probably won't be in the series, yet they put him on the variant cover of issue 2 (plus on a wanted poster on issue 1 cover)! What the heck!?!

Actually, the more I think about it...the less certain i am that it is Puck on that cover...I mean, it is definitely Puck's BODY, but is Puck inside it, or somebody else?...

[mos_def]

1- I dont think they are talking about Kyle as in Wildchild. They are talking about Kyle, Northstars partner'

2-Persuassion as a bad person I hope doesnt turn out. She has no real basis to go evil. She knows who her pops is as she is nothing like him.

3- the Puck cover, to me, isnt showing Puck in a cell. It might mean Puck looking to get the other Alphans out of the cell

[mos_def]

In the end of the series they should all wake up and fight Dreamqueen. Everyone is the enemy 1-7 and in 8 they thrash Dreamqueen

[Legerd]

Okay, so it sounds to me like Purple Woman goes around possessing people, and Cody's fear of Alpha Flight going rogue kicks in. Oh, by the way, did anyone else notice the writer called Namor "Norma"?

[Le Messor]

1- I dont think they are talking about Kyle as in Wildchild. They are talking about Kyle, Northstars partner'
The original quote was:
We're retaining the boyfriend, Kyle, Northstar acquired in NATION-X -- he's a major character in the new book.

I mean, I'm not saying you're absolutely right, but...


2-Persuassion as a bad person I hope doesnt turn out. She has no real basis to go evil. She knows who her pops is as she is nothing like him.

Me too! I'm tired of good guys going evil.


3- the Puck cover, to me, isnt showing Puck in a cell. It might mean Puck looking to get the other Alphans out of the cell

It could be entirely symbolic. I've seen covers with characters unrelated to the issue inside before.

- Le Messor
Artie: "This is how you want to die?"
Claudia: "Yes."
Artie: "Well, I do know how to contact David Bowie..."
~ Warehouse 13

[Flightpath07]

Me too! I'm tired of good guys going evil.

Wasn't it FVL, though, who said one of the main things about Alpha Flight was that they create their own worst villains?

Maybe Persuasion goes nuts, and animates Puck's dead body.

Maybe Persuasion (that's "Purple Woman", according to FVL) learns to use her powers in a greater manner, more like her Pop, and marionettes a bunch of heroes into doing whatever she wants to.

Maybe Marrina is the mole, or the bad person. With so many of The Worthy being water-based peoples, seems like she will be a main character one way or another (FVL has already told us that much); and it would definitely suit her new bad-arse image.

Any way you slice it, Mik, i am afraid that you will not be able to escape "good guys going evil" in this series...

[Phil]

Maybe Purple Man is the member of The Worthy?
Is he alive or dead again at the moment?

[cmdrkoenig67]

AFAIK, he's still alive, Phil.

Dana

[Le Messor]

Any way you slice it, Mik, i am afraid that you will not be able to escape "good guys going evil" in this series...

Maybe they'll do it well.

- LM
"I want to share all your joys and sorrows. "But I haven't any sorrows." I mean AFTER we're married."

[Flightpath07]

Maybe they'll do it well.

We hope, and expect, that they will!

[Phil]

Regarding Persuasion; people may wanna go check the updated #0.1 thread (http://www.alphaflight.net/content.php?438-Alpha-Flight-0.1-Preview).

[DelBubs]

I spotted the Purple power people in the second new page. Makes you wonder what drew Kara into all this?

[Legerd]

I spotted the Purple power people in the second new page. Makes you wonder what drew Kara into all this?

I'm betting it's the same thing Citadel was referring to. Kara probably sees herself as the good guy fighting against tyranny.

[DIGGER]

I spotted the Purple power people in the second new page. Makes you wonder what drew Kara into all this?

:idea:Me thinks it was the artist.

DIGGER (sorry, couldn't resist)

[suzene]

I'm betting it's the same thing Citadel was referring to. Kara probably sees herself as the good guy fighting against tyranny.

Was it ever mentioned one way or another whether or not Kara spent time in Neverland once Weapon X wrapped? (I know she was intended to die there, but don't know if she showed up on-page outside of that one scene where she was saved by a coloring error.) That experience would probably go a long way toward changing her world outlook...

[Phil]

I think it was, but only in handbooks (198 Files, off the top of my head).

Her only appearance since has been the Digital Holiday special.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Was it ever mentioned one way or another whether or not Kara spent time in Neverland once Weapon X wrapped? (I know she was intended to die there, but don't know if she showed up on-page outside of that one scene where she was saved by a coloring error.) That experience would probably go a long way toward changing her world outlook...

I believe somebody mentioned this before, but It wasn't a coloring error...Kara was never drawn in the series. The artist drew Sienna Blaze instead of Kara, as mutants were herded toward the death chambers. The writer later mentioned that Kara was meant to be in that crowd instead.

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

I'm guessing Kara was supposed to be on the X-Island up until recently, as the X-books have Greedily laid claim to nearly ever powered mutant on the planet. She appeared happy in the Holiday special.

Dana

[suzene]

I believe somebody mentioned this before, but It wasn't a coloring error...Kara was never drawn in the series. The artist drew Sienna Blaze instead of Kara, as mutants were herded toward the death chambers. The writer later mentioned that Kara was meant to be in that crowd instead.

The way I heard it about where the ball got dropped art-wise was that the figure colored as Sienna Blaze was supposed to be Kara. Not that I'm complaining that the series didn't get to abuse more Alphans on-screen, mind.

[Le Messor]

(I know she was intended to die there, but don't know if she showed up on-page outside of that one scene where she was saved by a coloring error.)

What was the issue number again? (Just out of long-standing curiosity.)


She appeared happy in the Holiday special.

The digital one mentioned before?

- Le Messor
Manny: I want the weekend off. I want a life.
Bernard: This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!
Manny: We have needs! Fran wants to learn the piano, I want some time to myself, you want to go out with a girl...
Bernard: Don't make me laugh... bitterly. Fran will fail, you'll toil your life away, and I'll die alone, upside down on the floor of a pub toilet.

[cmdrkoenig67]

The way I heard it about where the ball got dropped art-wise was that the figure colored as Sienna Blaze was supposed to be Kara. Not that I'm complaining that the series didn't get to abuse more Alphans on-screen, mind.

No worries, but it is definitely Sienna Blaze who is depicted (colored correctly). IIRC There were discussions here about Kara not being shown at all, so technically some of us felt she wasn't dead (even though the creators stood by that for a while).

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

What was the issue number again? (Just out of long-standing curiosity.)



The digital one mentioned before?

- Le Messor
Manny: I want the weekend off. I want a life.
Bernard: This is life! We suffer and slave and expire. That's it!
Manny: We have needs! Fran wants to learn the piano, I want some time to myself, you want to go out with a girl...
Bernard: Don't make me laugh... bitterly. Fran will fail, you'll toil your life away, and I'll die alone, upside down on the floor of a pub toilet.

Yeah, the digital special...And I believe it was Weapon X #5(?), that Kara was supposedly put to death in.

Dana

[Le Messor]

Yeah, the digital special...And I believe it was Weapon X #5(?), that Kara was supposedly put to death in.

That early?
I'll take a look at it. (I knew about the scene when I finally got Weapon X last year, but never found it.)

- Le Messor
"I want you to get a message to Angel for me. Tell him I'm done waiting. I'm taking the fight to him. You got that? Need me to write it down for you?"
~ Buffy

[Ahab]

Wasn't sure where to put this so I posted it here. Comments from Van Lente:

Quote from: Ahab on May 07, 2011, 07:21 (http://www.daleeaglesham.com/Denizens/index.php?topic=879.msg51193#msg51193)

I saw in another post a comment about the mutants remaining in AF that still have their powers. Just wanted to mention that I think Flashback is still powered up and there hasn't been a mention of Goblyn or Laura Dean being depowered. I don't know if there is any interest in using any of these characters, but I was hoping that they may show at some point.

Marvel's stance tends to be the other way around -- if they didn't specifically say they returned their powers they probably lost them. Believe me, I know this from many long and bitter battles with Editorial, and have the scars to prove it.

Quote from: Ahab on May 07, 2011, 07:21 (http://www.daleeaglesham.com/Denizens/index.php?topic=879.msg51193#msg51193)


Also, just to comment for comment's sake, it would be great if Hercules really got it wrong and accidentally brought back Diamond Lil, Wild Child, Smart Alec, Nemesis and/or Bochs.

Herc definitely brought back some folks that didn't fight in that final Chaos War battle...

[Flightpath07]

Good questions, Ahab!

Just remembering that Van Lente hinted that Box would be seen (but not Jeffries, so possibly Bochs)...

[Le Messor]

Just remembering that Van Lente hinted that Box would be seen (but not Jeffries, so possibly Bochs)...

Or just the robot?

- Le Messor
"I’d love to, but I have to fluff my shower cap."