Issue #2 Solicitation

[Legerd]

Here's the solicit for AF #2:


ALPHA FLIGHT #2
Written by FRED VAN LENTE & GREG PAK
Penciled by DALE EAGLESHAM
Cover by PHIL JIMENEZ
Variant Cover by DALE EAGLESHAM
FEAR ITSELF TIE-IN!
Alpha Flight… traitors??? After saving their country from the hammer-wielding XXXXX, The Flight are captured by
the newly risen Unity Party and branded as traitors. Now they must escape from the bowels of the top-secret facility, Department H, they once called home. In doing so they must confront the shocking betrayal of one of their core members -- and discover an imprisoned hero readers have clamored to see since this series was announced! The red-hot writing team of Greg Pak and Fred Van Lente and artistic legend Dale Eaglesham continue their highly-anticipated resurrection of one of Marvel’s most beloved super hero teams in a story that absolutely cannot be missed!

Thoughts?

[kozzi24]

Here's the solicit for AF #2:



Thoughts?

The only clamor seemed to be for Puck...who could also be the core member traitor

[suzene]

The only clamor seemed to be for Puck...who could also be the core member traitor

The covers do seem to provide a strong hint as to who it might be...

BTW, if it is Puck with the writers having decided that the best way to get rid of his "no, really! I'm a normal guy possessed by a demon!" retcon is to have had him locked up since issue #29 or so with a phony running about in the MU for the last twenty years, I will LMAO and buy five copies.

Still v. worried about the traitor being one of Jeanne-Marie's personalities, though.

[Le Messor]

I dunno, on that one cover, it looks like Shaman vs. everybody.

- Le Messor
"I used to have a handle on life, but it broke."

[Phil]

I dunno, on that one cover, it looks like Shaman vs. everybody.
Hmm... to me it looks like Shaman's trying to save Snowbird.

The thing I can't work out is whether or not Mac's trying to fly away or if he's just blasted Marrina.

If it's the latter then that'd make Mac the core betrayer?


BTW, if it is Puck with the writers having decided that the best way to get rid of his "no, really! I'm a normal guy possessed by a demon!" retcon is to have had him locked up since issue #29 or so with a phony running about in the MU for the last twenty years, I will LMAO and buy five copies.

That's a REALLY interesting point, and something I hadn't thought of... but given FVL's loathing of the Temporal Versions of AF I doubt they'd create a 2nd Puck.
My guess is he got out of hell somehow...


Any guesses on who's going to become AF's hammer-wielding Worthy adversary?

[Flightpath07]

Yes, i have thoughts.

Many of them ("Why are you all laughing?" is one of them). Sometimes, more than one in a day!

Hammer-wielding...Wrecking Crew!

Shocking betrayal by...Mac. He's not a man given to politics. That's my thought. He just follows orders and serves his government; but he'll be the big hero in the end.

Imprisioned hero - definitely Puck.

[Legerd]

I've got a hunch the hammer-wielding bad guy could be (a) Box.

I say this, because of something FVL said about Madison not being available for the maxi-series:

The X-Office has declared Madison off-limits to us, I'm afraid. Box, though...Maybe he's just saying Box could show up if the book survives as an ongoing, or maybe he's giving a reveal?

[Flightpath07]

I've got a hunch the hammer-wielding bad guy could be (a) Box.

Why would you put a hammer in a box? And what would you use to smash open the box, seeing as how your new hammer is inside it?

[Le Messor]

Yes, i have thoughts.
Many of them ("Why are you all laughing?" is one of them).

If you don't know, I can't explain it.


Sometimes, more than one in a day!

I'm sorry, I know that can hurt.


Shocking betrayal by...Mac. He's not a man given to politics. That's my thought. He just follows orders and serves his government; but he'll be the big hero in the end.
Imprisioned hero - definitely Puck.

First part, true. They've said AF will be betrayed. They never said the betrayer will stay betray-ey.

Puck is imprisoned on that cover, but it could be purely symbolic, just a pic that's got nothing to do with the contents. We've all seen them.


I've got a hunch the hammer-wielding bad guy could be (a) Box.

The X-Office has declared Madison off-limits to us, I'm afraid. Box, though...

Ooh, Black box? Everybody, everybody ride on time!
I take that to mean that...
No, I don't. I just reread it. I was going to say that meant they really couldn't use him, but you're right, they can use Box. At least his legs. Then it'll be just kick-boxing.


Why would you put a hammer in a box? And what would you use to smash open the box, seeing as how your new hammer is inside it?

You have to put it in a box before you give it to anybody.
I'm still trying to figure out why my work's dishwasher is Thor brand? Who buys a dishwasher named after a guy famous for using a hammer?
"Oh, we'll treat your dishes delicately, all right..." *snigger.*

- Le Messor
"I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this."
~ Emo Phillips

[mreeez]

I think it is going to be Marrina just looking at who the Worthy are (Marvel released who gets hammers yesterday).

[DelBubs]

The hammer wielding guy is 'Bob The Builder' or not.

[Legerd]

I think it is going to be Marrina just looking at who the Worthy are (Marvel released who gets hammers yesterday).
Where's this?

[mreeez]

Bleeding Cool released them in 3 parts.

Part 1 (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04/12/the-worthy-revealed-1-fear-itself-spoilers/)

Part 2 (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04/12/the-worthy-revealed-2-fear-itself-spoilers/)

Part 3 (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04/12/the-worthy-revealed-3-fear-itself-spoilers/)

[DIGGER]

Maybe the guy with the hammer is Beta-Ray and maybe the whole promo has a great big typo and Alpha really isn't BETRAYED but rather gets Beta-Ray(ed).:)

DIGGER

[Flightpath07]

The Worthy?

Meh. Doesn't sound interesting to me. Just give me good stand-alone Flight stories already!

[sengsterooney]

Wow. Puck! PUCK!!

I think Dale has been teasing us a bit with the "Puck... if we end up using him"... and they bring him back in #2.

For the record, I also ordered the variant (Puck) cover of #2.

I haven't felt this way since 1992!

:-)

[DIGGER]

Why would you put a hammer in a box? And what would you use to smash open the box, seeing as how your new hammer is inside it?


I guess you would do that so "you can't touch this" or "break it down".\\:D/

DIGGER

[cmdrkoenig67]

Hmmmm...Spoilers...

Citadel warned of the Unity party and even tells Sasquatch he's a slave to the government...While saying that government is being stolen...He seemed to know what was coming.

Dana

[Flightpath07]

If you don't know, I can't explain it.

But you're my interpreter!


I guess you would do that so "you can't touch this" or "break it down".

Thank you, MC Digger.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I forgot to mention....PUCK!

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

The covers do seem to provide a strong hint as to who it might be...

BTW, if it is Puck with the writers having decided that the best way to get rid of his "no, really! I'm a normal guy possessed by a demon!" retcon is to have had him locked up since issue #29 or so with a phony running about in the MU for the last twenty years, I will LMAO and buy five copies.

Still v. worried about the traitor being one of Jeanne-Marie's personalities, though.

I actually think that would be fantastic...I'd love to see an additional sinister personality be explored...Totally selfish, arrogant, ego-maniacal and vicious.

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

Maybe the guy with the hammer is Beta-Ray and maybe the whole promo has a great big typo and Alpha really isn't BETRAYED but rather gets Beta-Ray(ed).:)

DIGGER

LOL....That. Was. Fantastic. Good on you, Digger!

Dana

[Phil]

Out of all the one's shown on BC I can only see it being Grey Gargoyle.
The others would probably be considered too 'top tier' for AF.

However, I reckon that there'll be one of Pak & FVL's choosing within this series (& in Herc).

[cmdrkoenig67]

Alpha has faced Attuma a few times, maybe the hammer-wielder is him?

Dana

[-K-M-]

Yeah it is confirmed Attuma is getting a hammer, so perhaps he could face AF

[Phil]

Alpha has faced Attuma a few times, maybe the hammer-wielder is him?

Dana

I think he's mainly for the Defenders oneshot, but it's possible.

[DaVeO]

I actually kind of like the idea for The Chosen. I don't plan on getting Fear Itself but I did get The Book of the Skrull prelude just so I have a hint of what will be going on in AF. It was actually really good, but then I'm rarely disappointed in Brubaker's stories. Especially when dealing with WW II Cap, Bucky and Namor.

I actually hope the Chosen is NOT an AF bad guy they go up against. I'd rather see someone they've never faced before.

[Phil]

The Worthy?

[Legerd]

Bleeding Cool released them in 3 parts.

Part 1 (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04/12/the-worthy-revealed-1-fear-itself-spoilers/)

Part 2 (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04/12/the-worthy-revealed-2-fear-itself-spoilers/)

Part 3 (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/04/12/the-worthy-revealed-3-fear-itself-spoilers/)

Thanks for the links mreeez. Hmmm, not really sure about these character designs, other than the post-hammer Thing, and the pre-hammer Absorbing Man.

[suzene]

I actually think that would be fantastic...I'd love to see an additional sinister personality be explored...Totally selfish, arrogant, ego-maniacal and vicious.


I'd prefer not to swing toward the "mentally ill = untrustworthy psycho" trope. And I'd really like not to have JM lose the ground she seemed to have gained recently wrt dealing with her DID. That's the potential downside of the creative team going waaaay back to basics -- there's the danger of some good bits getting ignored along with the wtf-ery. Not that I'm sorry to lose low points like Alpha Flight attacking a school or Mac's increasingly preposterous series of resurrections, but there are some parts that add up to half-decent character progression in there too. But we'll see how it shakes out.

[Phil]

I know the preview pages aren't much to go by but she seems well written to me, IMO.

[DaVeO]

The Worthy?

Whoops, sorry. I meant The Worthy not The Chosen. ](*,)

[Flightpath07]

The Worthy, The Chosen. You say potato, I say earth-apple.

As long as its Flight related, its all good.

[Le Messor]

The Worthy, The Chosen. You say potato, I say earth-apple.
As long as its Flight related, its all good.

I say toe-paypo!

I vote one of the Worthy should be the telepath who betrayed the JLA, back from the dead after Diana killed him. He should get a special Mjolnir, made of Ag.

- Le Messor
Calvin: I want horsey ride!
Dad: I'm busy, Calvin.
Calvin: You know, Dad, it won't be long before I'm all grown up. One day you'll wake up and wonder how all the years slipped by. You'll look back and say, "Where has the time gone? Calvin's so big, it's hard to remember he was small enough that I could give him horsey rides." ... But those days would be lost forever.
Dad: I think I've worked through my potential guilt now.
Calvin: No, no! Jump the fence!

[cmdrkoenig67]

No, it should be made of Argh!

[suzene]

I say toe-paypo!

I vote one of the Worthy should be the telepath who betrayed the JLA, back from the dead after Diana killed him. He should get a special Mjolnir, made of Ag.

Max Lord? He's already alive and kicking again. I'm almost impressed by the turn-around time on that one.

[Le Messor]

Max Lord? He's already alive and kicking again. I'm almost impressed by the turn-around time on that one.

Not that I know of... I just want Maxwell to have his own hammer. A silver one.

- Le Messor
"I want to thank you for making this day necessary."
~ Yogi Berra on Yogi Berra Appreciation Day

[MajorMountie]

Digger: Amazing.

As for Puck being the Betrayer... I guess I haven't really been following much of Marvel since the Civil War (the way they do all the comics to be very dark really bothers me) so I've missed a bunch of stuff. I really hope the character is basically what I remember of it. He was one of my favourites...

[Banshee]

Puck is back? Joy unconfined. Now let's ditch the demon and go with Byrne's man of the world.

At this stage, I couldn't care who the traitor is, as long as the Flight is back. And Back for Good!

[Le Messor]

(emphasis mine: )

Puck is back? Joy unconfined. Now let's ditch the demon and go with Byrne's man of the world.

I think that's pretty much taken as read already.

- Le Messor
"Let joy be unconfined. Let there be dancing in the streets, drinking in the saloons and necking in the parlor."
- Marx

[Flightpath07]

I dunno. It wasn't that long ago that we were told that the reason Puck was in Hell, was because of all those years he spent with a nasty demon/sorcerer inside of him.

[DelBubs]

But then didn't he wake up in the shower with webbed hands and a lady calling him Patrick? I know my continuity I do :confused:

[Flightpath07]

Eh?

[DelBubs]

Obviously you are not a Jaded Oldie :-) Many years ago there was a program called Dallas that for a whole season had one of the main characters as dead. This did not go down well with fans, so the writers retconned the whole thing by having that whole season being nothing more than a dream by the dead characters wife. In the last episode of that season she wakes up, goes to the shower and finds him a alive. The Character was played by Patrick Duffy, who also played 'The Man From Atlantis'. Ergo, Webbed Hands, Patrick and Shower. Pucks Demon inside was nothing but a dream. It's no fun when you have to explain things :-(

[Flightpath07]

I remember Dallas, but never actually watched it.

[cmdrkoenig67]

I dunno. It wasn't that long ago that we were told that the reason Puck was in Hell, was because of all those years he spent with a nasty demon/sorcerer inside of him.

I thought they left it rather vague as to why Eugene was in hell? Was there specific mention of Puck being demon canned goods?

Dana

[Le Messor]

I thought they left it rather vague as to why Eugene was in hell? Was there specific mention of Puck being demon canned goods?

Not in the actual issues, no. It was mentioned in interviews and online and stuff.

- Le Messor
Spike: I wish I was dead.
Buffy: Well, if you close your eyes and wish real hard...

[cmdrkoenig67]

Ah. I. C.

[Le Messor]

Icy? But you're in the northern hemisphere!

[MajorMountie]

Well, it is Canada we be speakin' of.

[Le Messor]

Of course!

[cmdrkoenig67]

I'm in Maine...That's almost into Canada...One might say "hugged" by Canada.

Dana

[Banshee]

I now think Mac is the traitor. Reading this thread, it makes sense that he would go the Government line. And Puck will be the imprisoned hero. I think Mac will be back to good in the end. Hope Heather kicks his arse!

[Phil]

The whole 'Snowbird being a demi-God and thus not interested in mortal politics' (paraphrased) comments that have been mentioned in various interviews has me considering her now.

[Le Messor]

The whole 'Snowbird being a demi-God and thus not interested in mortal politics' (paraphrased) comments that have been mentioned in various interviews has me considering her now.

Doesn't follow, though, since she's spent her entire life (all six years of it) on Earth. Specifically, Canada.
Somebody as bound to the land as she is would take a great interest, I'd think, in the running of it.

- Le Messor
"I wouldn’t be surprised if someday some fishermen caught a big shark and cut it open, and there inside was a whole person. Then they cut the person open, and in him is a little baby shark. And in the baby shark there isn’t a person, because it would be too small. But there’s a little doll or something, like a Johnny Combat little toy guy-something like that."
~ Jack Handey

[varo]

i think its going to be heather. fvl said he jumped on with issue #5 which was when mac was still alive and the leader of the team, he also said that he wanted to really develop mac's character and establish him as a strong leader. so i doubt its mac.

heather would make sense, because cody knows and trusts her and she probably will try and be alpha spy from the inside.

just a hunch.

[Flightpath07]

Northstar. Anything to get his boyfriend back.

[suzene]

Aurora: May be harboring the traitor and not even know it.
Heather: It would be one hell of a way to get out from under Mac's shadow.
Mac: Is still wrapped in the friggin' flag.
Marrina: Plodex mood swings? (Yeah, reaching for that one)
Northstar: Has, according to interviews, lost everything and will do "anything" to get it back. Also has a history of telling AF to stuff it anyway.
Puck: Possessed by a demon, which means he'll likely take any means to an end. Alternatively, time in Hell might change a guy.
Sasquatch: Long, loooooooong history of making well-intentioned, poorly considered decisions.
Snowbird: Demi-goddess. "Not interested in mortal politics". May have much larger concerns than team loyalty.

Shaman's about the only one who doesn't seem to have an obvious reason to betray the team, which of course, makes him extra likely to be culprit. ;)

[Legerd]

I'm going with it being a new personality of Aurora's, a male one she isn't necessarily aware of.

[Le Messor]

Shaman's about the only one who doesn't seem to have an obvious reason to betray the team, which of course, makes him extra likely to be culprit. ;)

So true! :D

[Mokole]

Maybe more likely now that it's an ex-member who betrays them and makes them out to be bad guys... Persuasion, Manikin, Windshear, a lot out there. But one wonders....;)