The Volume 4 #1 Thread (Contains Spoilers) [Archive] - AlphaFlight.net

MonsieurTaffy

06-15-2011, 02:17 PM

Just read it...and definitely enjoyed it. The art was really different from issue 0.1, and though it was not quite as spectacular, it is crisp and solid. Overall, a great issue.

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- I am still very impressed with the Canadian feel. Emergency Act, Charter of Rights and Freedom? Right on target. Very reminiscent of a certain crisis, over 4 decades ago...Issue 0.1 was already impressive on the Canadian side (barring a few details), this was even better. The twins' French was grammatically perfect and very believable - something very unusual for a Marvel comic. Aurora's potty-mouth on page 16 took me by surprise!

- Poor blind, gullible Mac...fooled and foiled once more...again, right on target for him. He is so clean-cut and heroic that all betrayals always appear from within. When it's not his own suit, it's his own wife!

- Very interested to see the developments with Aurora. Is her brother being paranoid, and being too controling, as he has before, or is she not quite as sane as she would like to believe? Curious to see how this is going to develop.

- I dislike the new, angry Marrina immensely. Which I think is what the authors are trying to achieve. I suppose she'll be a hit with teenage readers ;)

- Heather as the betrayer...let's take a crack at it...she lost custody of her child. She saw another of her "children", Kara, fighting the Flight and put in custody. Has she made a pact with the devil to get her daughter back? Is she trying to be a double agent? Time will tell. She was by far my last choice for a traitor, so once again, good choice if handled well.

- New old Boxes that actually are boxes! Guardian remembering to use his teleportation power for the first time in decades! Shaman, Sasquatch and Snowbird doing...not much, but doing it well!

It will be a long month until the second issue...

varo

06-15-2011, 02:45 PM

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loved the interaction between northstar and aurora, spot on as i remember them the fondest. sasquatch characterization was spot on. i love marina's new attitude, she was a little dull to me in the short time she was around. she's a teenager, and she's acting the part.

return of the original box design, which i love. never was a big fan of madison's box armor. reminds me of byrnes box drawings, admittedly he loves drawing robots and i feel box was his best looking character.

the one thing that nailed it for me was shaman and snowbirds interaction. they are very close and it showed in this issue, something that has been lost. i can not wait until they add puck to the mix!!

great first issue!! i have yet to read anything bad from pak/fvl and this one has not disapointed. one month until next issue? that sucks!!!

varo

06-15-2011, 03:17 PM

btw, i love the french interaction between northstar and aurora, but any chance we can get a translation?

Phil

06-15-2011, 03:31 PM

- Very interested to see the developments with Aurora. Is her brother being paranoid, and being too controling, as he has before, or is she not quite as sane as she would like to believe? Curious to see how this is going to develop.

I think the #3 cover hints at it.

SmurfInABlender

06-15-2011, 03:32 PM

Left work during lunch to pick it up because I just COULDN'T WAIT! I got half way done with the issue and HAD to head back to work so I'm sitting here in suspense for the next 5 hours!

Also good news I finally found all but 1 of the missing issues I needed to complete my "essential" set (All the AF and OF comics + X-Men 120 and 121)

So the ONLY issue I'm missing is the FINAL issue of Volume 1! BLAH.

Wolfie

06-15-2011, 03:37 PM

btw, i love the french interaction between northstar and aurora, but any chance we can get a translation?

Oh, if only we knew a French>English translator... Oh wait, that's what I do for a living! ;) Varo, I'm swamped right now, so I can't go look through the whole script, but if you can type them up here, I can give you a translation no problem! :-)

Phil

06-15-2011, 03:42 PM

"Soeurette est-ce que je pourrais te parler en privé?" which I think is something along the lines of 'Sister can we talk in private?"

and "Ta gueule!" which I definitely wasn't taught in school...

Wolfie

06-15-2011, 04:42 PM

"Soeurette est-ce que je pourrais te parler en privé?" which I think is something along the lines of 'Sister can we talk in private?"

and "Ta gueule!" which I definitely wasn't taught in school...

Correct on the first guess, Phil! Fred had asked me for a French version of "Sister, I would like a word with you in private, if you don't mind..."

I actually added the "ette" on soeur, to make it more like a term of endearment, as in "little sister." :-P

And the second sentence is, quite simply, "Shut up!"

Gotta run for today, so à demain tout le monde!

SmurfInABlender

06-15-2011, 05:08 PM

I took 2 years of french and all I remember is "Tu es tres sympatique est tre jolie madammossel."

And yes that is all horribly spelled wrong.

-K-M-

06-15-2011, 06:33 PM

Really enjoyed the issue, and love the art. Always was a fan of Dale even way back when in his first stint with JSA.

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Liked Box being an actual box was a nice touch. :)

suzene

06-15-2011, 06:50 PM

OK, seriously, did Pak and Van Lente just make Kyle Stevie Hunter's brother? That's...kind of awesome and I want to hug both of them for remembering that she exists.

Loved the interaction with the twins, though I am sad that JM seems to be regressing. And OK, I love JM and I know JP would never hit his sister, but by this point, I wouldn't blame him if he did.

SmurfInABlender

06-15-2011, 10:11 PM

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So is kyle "Dead dead" or like "Socking death scene that he barely makes it out of"? They seemed very interested in using kyle just to kill him off the first issue. Now I know they said he plays a big part but is his big part...dying? If so that is kind of lame. I was really liking the chemistry they had.

Do you think they'll have a resurrected Roger running the show behind the box robots? Would it be too much to bring back Purple girl AND Roger Bochs so quickly?

suzene

06-15-2011, 10:21 PM

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So is kyle "Dead dead" or like "Socking death scene that he barely makes it out of"? They seemed very interested in using kyle just to kill him off the first issue. Now I know they said he plays a big part but is his big part...dying? If so that is kind of lame. I was really liking the chemistry they had.

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Kyle's not dead, he's just going to be bait.

suzene

06-16-2011, 02:24 AM

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I was originally going to post this in the review thread, but putting it here just in case.

http://weeklycomicbookreview.com/2011/06/15/alpha-flight-1-review/

I just love how the review equates giving Jean-Paul a boyfriend -- a boyfriend he only "cuddles" with for one panel -- with defining the character by his homosexuality. One of these days, I'm going to hear a reader complain about Cyclops, Iron Man, or Captain America's relationships with the opposite sex defining them by their heterosexuality and then I will drop dead of shock right at my keyboard.

Yes, the first page with JP and Kyle tells us plainly that Northstar is gay. It also tells us that he isn't a team player. It also tells us that he, despite having turned his back on Alpha Flight, is very concerned for his sister, to the point that a faint nudge from Kyle is all the momentum it takes to get him back into the field. And the encounter with his sister itself speaks to the fact that his concern and affection persists despite implications of a turbulent past between them and a violent rebuff at Aurora's hands. That is a lot of characterization packed into two pages, and that's not even taking into account what Kyle's reaction to JP's note in between says about their relationship.

Yes, Northstar is gay. It is a part of who he is, and other writers have, unfortunately, often made it his distinguishing characteristic. But the folks behind the scenes did their job this time in making Northstar's homosexuality one part of his character, not the sum of it. If some readers are still so hung up on Northstar's sexuality twenty years post-outing that it's all they can see, that's not at the feet of this creative team.

'Scuse me, I have to go scrub the smell of rant off before bed.

Phil

06-16-2011, 05:30 AM

OK, seriously, did Pak and Van Lente just make Kyle Stevie Hunter's brother? That's...kind of awesome and I want to hug both of them for remembering that she exists.

Really?
Hmm, I didn't work that out.
Part of me hopes they didn't.

Alpha Rider

06-16-2011, 09:35 AM

Man Vancouver got a double trashing in one day. First by Nanook or what ever his name was, and then by last night Cup riots after loosing to Boston.

SmurfInABlender

06-16-2011, 11:27 AM

People need to understand that Northstar hates being a government pawn, because he hates over-powerful authority or being told what to do. He DOESN'T Hate being on the team because he'd rather "Be gay". I think that is what some reviewers are misunderstanding. He IS a Super Hero who just happens to be homosexual. That plays nothing into his apprehension. I though the writers made that clear with the fact the Kyle has pushed him to save the day in both issues. (Another reason I like Kyle, he asks more of Northstar than Northstar asks of himself)

DelBubs

06-16-2011, 04:33 PM

Picked this up today. Loved it. Big reveal at the end would not have been that much of a shock (read the Marvel spoiler :-( ) if I had looked at the sketches Dale Eaglesham had done for #2 properly. Nothing concrete, but enough to suggest.

Sasquatch17

06-16-2011, 05:22 PM

Awesome issue!

This is the Alpha Flight I have been waiting decades for!

Guardian acting like a hero.

Sasquatch and Aurora flirting.

Snowbird with a personality!

And Marrina...LOVE her new personality!!!

Alpha Rider

06-16-2011, 08:37 PM

I think Heather made a deal with Code in tring to get her kid back. I have one question: is this an on going series or a limited one? I was under the impression that it was on going.

DelBubs

06-16-2011, 08:46 PM

It's an eight part maxi series which may stretch into something else depending on how well it does.

Canucklehead

06-16-2011, 09:05 PM

Loved this book! Looks like it's going to be a really fun 8 issues!

Only complaint:
The inevitable, misplaced "EH?". Took me right out of the story.

DIGGER

06-16-2011, 11:08 PM

Only complaint:
The inevitable, misplaced "EH?". Took me right out of the story.

I read through so fast due to excitement....did they spell Canada with an extra one?:p
Loved the presentation. Felt like a kid again reading my favorite comic. Kudos to all!=D>=D>=D>=D> (I'd write it in en francais but grade 12 french was a long time ago!)
Gonna go read it again now.

"Le Createur de 'oles"{guardian}

rplass

06-17-2011, 12:03 AM

OK, seriously, did Pak and Van Lente just make Kyle Stevie Hunter's brother? That's...kind of awesome and I want to hug both of them for remembering that she exists..

Kyle's last name is Roy, so unless he's a "brother from another mother", he ain't Stevie Hunter's brother!

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06-17-2011, 02:25 AM

What was the second dinosaur Snowbird transformed into?

suzene

06-17-2011, 02:34 AM

Kyle's last name is Roy, so unless he's a "brother from another mother", he ain't Stevie Hunter's brother!

Or unless Stevie married at some point and kept the last name. ;) But yeah, already got the nix on the surname from Van Lente. Where'd you get the info on Kyle?

rplass

06-17-2011, 07:58 AM

Or unless Stevie married at some point and kept the last name.

She wasn't married in her 1st appearance and Hunter is her unmarried name. Coincidentally, her 1st appearance was in Uncanny X-Men #139, which is a major Alpha Flight issue.

But yeah, already got the nix on the surname from Van Lente. Where'd you get the info on Kyle?

Scroll to the bottom of this post (http://alphaflightcollector.wordpress.com/2011/06/12/jeffries-has-a-fear-of-water-in-x-men-earths-mutant-heroes-1/)and you'll find out! Or the top, really.

suzene

06-17-2011, 03:07 PM

Woot! Thanks!

DIGGER

06-17-2011, 03:36 PM

What was the second dinosaur Snowbird transformed into?

I'll have to check with my 8 year old but my guess is it is the OGOPOGO (not really a dinosaur and not really proven to exist... but then again the only Sasquatch that I know of to be real is Walt;))

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06-17-2011, 03:38 PM

YAY! I finally made it into the ranks of Alpha Flight!{guardian}

DIGGER

DelBubs

06-17-2011, 03:40 PM

Congrats Digger, just in time to be betrayed by one you believe could never do such a thing :-)

Alpha Rider

06-17-2011, 05:24 PM

YAY! I finally made it into the ranks of Alpha Flight!{guardian}

DIGGER

Bastard!:p Though I had alot of probloms with my computer last year, and this year as well. Not totally working the way I want it to.

cmdrkoenig67

06-17-2011, 06:37 PM

Loved this issue, a lot of the old series (John Byrne-i-ness) is there, but with some fresh twists thrown in...The ending was messed up. :shock:

Dana

Wolfie

06-17-2011, 10:31 PM

Hi all!

Just wanted to let you know that we're doing something fun on Dale's Facebook page. People are posting playful pics of themselves reading/reacting to AF #1. On Monday I'll write to the Marvel peeps to tell them to check it out. I wonder if they might be interested in publishing some in an upcoming issue? Anyway, thought I'd invite you all to take part! Check out the ones that have already been posted, they're awesome! :D

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dale-Eaglesham/122408004483679

Wolfie

mreeez

06-19-2011, 05:29 PM

Called it on the traitor. (http://www.alphaflight.net/showthread.php?5581-Article-Mighty-Marvel-Podcast-107-Alpha-Flight&p=79254#post79254)

suzene

06-19-2011, 05:46 PM

Ahaha!

So my girlfriend was in town this past week, and wanted to read the new Alpha Flight (being that she was out-of-state and away from her comic shop for a bit). Gets to the fight scene...

"Hey, when did Shaman become a total hottie?"

Kudos to the art team, I suppose. ;)

sengsterooney

06-20-2011, 06:03 AM

Well, I picked my #1 up today (probably the last person in this forum to do so as I'm all the way in Oz)... and it was the first title off the pull list that I read.

Pleased as punch - and very surprised that they dedicated quite a few pages at the end to sketches by Dale Eaglesham.

Long Live Alpha - and here's hoping for #9 and beyond!!

PS: Did anyone pick up the variant? My LCS didn't have any variants - perhaps they **** later?

bigbloo

06-20-2011, 11:03 AM

PS: Did anyone pick up the variant? My LCS didn't have any variants - perhaps they **** later?

My LCS had it here in Manila, unfortunately they were selling it at 5x the price of the regular book. I couldn't afford it. :(

grumblegrumblegrumble

bigbloo

06-20-2011, 11:08 AM

"Hey, when did Shaman become a total hottie?"

Kudos to the art team, I suppose. ;)

Actually, I noticed this as well, on my fifth reread. I was expecting Jean-Paul to be attractive, but I think Eaglesham's Michael is even more attractive. Even in the sketchbook he looks sexier.

Oh, and Narya kinda reminds me of Ororo. Maybe its the "goddess hair". :)

bigbloo

06-20-2011, 11:10 AM

suzene

06-20-2011, 05:43 PM

Actually, I noticed this as well, on my fifth reread. I was expecting Jean-Paul to be attractive, but I think Eaglesham's Michael is even more attractive. Even in the sketchbook he looks sexier.

More like different kinds of attractive, I think - Northstar has the severe, aloof, cheekbones-that-can-cut-glass look going, while Shaman's look is definitely warmer and darker, and all of that lovely flowing hair does not hurt in the least.

If this is an attempt to help build up the female readership, it's definitely getting a thumbs up from this corner. ;)

Phil

06-21-2011, 04:46 AM

It is surprising how just losing the headband helps.

-K-M-

06-21-2011, 07:46 PM

Deja vu :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/avengers_v1_322_14_rougher.jpg

DelBubs

06-23-2011, 07:43 AM

In regards to the Stevie Hunter question (From FVL at Twitter)
RT ------------- (http://twitter.com/TravisEllisor) what's northstar's boyfriend's last name? is his sister stevie hunter?
Oh, so THAT'S why people keep asking. No, sorry. ;)

Also
Any plans for Talisman? She's a personal favorite.

Fred Van Lente (http://www.formspring.me/FVanLente) FVanLente

Yes.
7 hours ago (http://www.formspring.me/FVanLente/q/208061321382486120)

maniac mike

06-23-2011, 12:50 PM

**Links contain possible spoilers for future issues**

Did anybody see this...

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=32933

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-teaser-alpha-strike-110623.html

;)

Phil

06-23-2011, 01:42 PM

I'm AFK for the next few days so if you wanna make that an article all of its own it'd be appreciated.

DelBubs

06-23-2011, 01:52 PM

Phil, I updated into one of the front page articles, but can adjust if required.

Ryan Maxwell

06-23-2011, 02:09 PM

Can we get spoiler warnings on the links, please? And maybe remove that cover from the gallery until the issue comes out? I know we're all excited, but come on.

DelBubs

06-23-2011, 02:17 PM

No problem re the cover, but am a bit confused as to what is the visible spoiler ?

Phil

06-23-2011, 02:58 PM

Can we get spoiler warnings on the links, please? And maybe remove that cover from the gallery until the issue comes out? I know we're all excited, but come on.

Without meaning to sound off, the thread title clearly states spoilers and has done for the last 2 weeks.
Everything in here should be viewed as possible spoiler.

patrick_j_clarke

06-23-2011, 07:15 PM

Hmm, I commented on the review of the issue, but it looks like more discussion is going on here!

From my comment on the review:

It seems like Pak and Van Lente are members of this forum and have read the posts from all of us old-time AF lovers. They even put REAL Boxes in there!

It's interesting comparing this #1 with the 1st run's #1...they have similarities, but each character seems more mature in their powers and character. At first I was a bit disappointed that Aurora wasn't so over-the-top French, but that's the younger girl we already knew.

It's not quite a sequel, and not quite a relaunch, and I think that's why I like it.

Now I gotta talk to Pak and Van Lente about resurrecting my 2005 Box mini-series idea! What's their number again?

Ryan Maxwell

06-23-2011, 07:26 PM

It's an Issue ONE thread. Posting images from issue FOUR(including the cover with villains who may or may not be affecting our heroes) is definitely spoiler territory.

rplass

06-23-2011, 09:33 PM

Ryan, maniac mike's post, which is the one I believe you are referring to, has been updated to include in red tet "**Links contain possible spoilers for future issues**" I believe we have covered all the bases.

Love,
rplass

DelBubs

06-23-2011, 09:42 PM

I think Ryans issue was more the posting of the cover to #4 which I take full responsibility for. The cover had been posted at numerous sites and also in Spoiler Warned articles here. I did not take into consideration the fact that some members may have the gallery images open as soon as they get into the forum, not a habit I have gotten into. The fault is mine and the image has been removed. It was not my intention to post deliberate spoilers and for that I apologise.

Ryan Maxwell

06-24-2011, 02:12 PM

Thanks, guys, appreciate it.

bigbloo

06-27-2011, 10:28 PM

Hmm, I commented on the review of the issue, but it looks like more discussion is going on here!

From my comment on the review:

Now I gotta talk to Pak and Van Lente about resurrecting my 2005 Box mini-series idea! What's their number again?

Which Box were you going for? Roger or Madison? :)

Flightpath07

07-06-2011, 02:26 AM

My take on Issue # 1.

http://canadas-own-the-flight.blogspot.com/2011/07/flightpath-07s-review-of-af-vol4-issue.html

Flightpath07

07-07-2011, 12:57 AM

Well, I picked my #1 up today (probably the last person in this forum to do so as I'm all the way in Oz)...

Sorry, had you beat! Got my issue # 1 a mere two days ago.

Phil

07-07-2011, 05:05 AM

I still haven't had my #1 yet, to be fair.

suzene

07-18-2011, 06:47 AM

Probably late news, but some of the pages for #1 are up for sale at The Artist's Choice. (http://www.theartistschoice.com/eaglesham.htm#ALPHAFLIGHT)

Looks like the ones with JP and Kyle canoodling already have a home, so that saves me from some tough choices wrt the Ramen diet.

Phil

07-18-2011, 07:06 AM

Hmm.. I think I may have to wait till NYCC and hope some get taken there, rather than get stung on international postage.

DelBubs

07-18-2011, 09:15 AM

So what does PI mean in the price column? Curious

Wolfie

07-18-2011, 09:41 AM

Hi gang,

The pages haven't been priced yet... Strange that they've been posted! My guess is that he just wanted to get them up there for you to see which ones were available.

PI = Please Inquire

Suzene, the pages you don't see went to the inker, Drew Hennessy. I believe he plans on selling them, so keep an eye out. You may need a Ramen diet after all... :?

Wolfie

SmurfInABlender

07-18-2011, 10:02 AM

rplass

07-18-2011, 10:13 AM

So what does PI mean in the price column? Curious

It means you can't afford it.

DelBubs

07-18-2011, 10:18 AM

It means you can't afford it.

Me personally or people in general :-)

Flightpath07

07-18-2011, 01:05 PM

It means you can't afford it.

Ha! You slay me!

kozzi24

07-18-2011, 01:52 PM

Sorry, had you beat! Got my issue # 1 a mere two days ago.

I beat you both, not getting mine until Fridat 7/15.
So why do I feel like I lost?

kozzi24

07-18-2011, 02:01 PM

suzene

07-18-2011, 03:24 PM

Suzene, the pages you don't see went to the inker, Drew Hennessy. I believe he plans on selling them, so keep an eye out. You may need a Ramen diet after all... :?

Thanks for the info. Do you know if he has a personal site or a DA gallery, though? All I've been able to find is a Facebook page, and, much as I love Northstar, I'm not going to venture down into that particular pit of voles for the sake of pretty.

Wolfie

07-19-2011, 09:50 AM

Thanks for the info. Do you know if he has a personal site or a DA gallery, though? All I've been able to find is a Facebook page, and, much as I love Northstar, I'm not going to venture down into that particular pit of voles for the sake of pretty.

Here's the link I have: http://www.comicbookartgallery.com/ArtistBookTitles.asp?ArtistId=673&Details=0

The Alpha Flight stuff doesn't seem to be up yet.

Wolfie

07-19-2011, 09:58 AM

A solid A on the issue.
Two things kepot it from an A+
1. The misplaced "eh?"
2. Sasquatch did not seem ten feet tall/ I know the scale can be difficult to convey properly, but he seemed small in mqany panels. I jeep thinking opf the old Hulk cover with Sasquatch and Wendigo
Those are quibbles, tho...Great job!

I just looked over all the Sasquatch panels, out of curiosity, and the size never seems to be off...? Whenever he appears smaller, it's because he's further back than other characters, or because we're looking from above. In both cases, it's how a tall character would look in perspective.

I know what you mean about the "eh," though. But to play devil's advocate, I just had an "eh" debate recently with a friend from BC, about where and how it's used. She was telling me they used it in one way, and it's totally different here in Ontario or Quebec. If I'd seen it in writing, I would have said "that's not how it's used!" Not only that, but she seems to add an "h" at the beginning, so it sounds like "hey." And then I have another friend from New Brunswick, and she uses it differently too. So I think it varies from one region to another.

Wolfie

07-19-2011, 10:01 AM

So who do we inquire to? I'm almost certain that the beautiful page 20 splash will be outta my price range but I gotta check!

Spencer's e-mail is written at the bottom of that page (but here it is, just in case: SpencerBck@aol.com (SpencerBck@aol.com))

I don't think he'll reserve it for you, but you can always try...

Le Messor

07-20-2011, 02:14 AM

Well, I picked my #1 up today (probably the last person in this forum to do so as I'm all the way in Oz)...

Ironic... I didn't pick mine up 'til the 18th of July because I wasn't in Oz.

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From a certain point of view, the traitor makes sense; this is supposed to be about the v1#1 team, and she's the only one who technically wasn't a member.

- Le Messor
"It's kind of fun to do the impossible."
~ Walt Disney