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DelBubs
08-01-2011, 05:34 PM
Just one reason why "the comics community" can get along fine without me: http://bit.ly/pwuKzO (http://bit.ly/pwuKzO) .

Is from a tweet posted earlier from a well known comics professional. The link takes you to a blog/article which discusses the exchange yesterday on a regular Twitter discussion #comicsmarket. I'm not going to get into the details and I don't condone what caused the uproar, but for some reason I find the generalisation of 'the comics community' irksome. I know comics readers are stereotyped and viewed in a certain way, but just how helpful is it when someone who creates the comics we read views the audience with such disdain?

BTW, this is not a 'lets knock the tweeter thread', just an attempt to get different views.

Le Messor
08-04-2011, 04:23 PM
A different view?... Hm.
I can see how somebody could have heard about a new, black Spider-Man and decided that it was a cynical marketing ploy (see under 'DC Reboot'), then posted something meant to make that ploy look ridiculous. I could then see people rushing to call him 'racist' where there was no ill-intent against any particular race. That's something people are very quick to do, at least when it applies to a 'protected' race. (I've recently seen somebody call Stephen King's The Talisman and Green Mile(?) racist, apparently simply for having the 'magical negro trope'.)

OTOH, some of the comments indicated this guy has a bad track record, and I've never heard of him before this.

- Le Messor
"If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it, do the other trees make fun of it?"

DelBubs
08-04-2011, 06:27 PM
I'm not fully up to speed with the fella either. My problem is mainly to do with the comics professional. Now if George Lucas privately said to close friends "even with the gaping plot holes and limited scripts, there are still ****** out there who think Star Wars is the be all and end all", then not a problem. If however he made that view public, then that's a whole new ball game. The comics professional basically denegrated the audience he writes comics for and reinforced the stereotype that is attributed to them. I know there are some numpties in the comics community, there is in every community, but tarring everyone with the same brush just didn't sit right.

Le Messor
08-05-2011, 05:06 PM
I'm not sure what you mean... Is there a stereotype of comics readers as racist and homophobic? 'coz that would surprise me. (If nothing else, I don't know why people would single out comics readers for that.)
That's what he's being accused of here, and I'm not seeing much comic-book-reader hate...? Or am I skipping over parts?

- Le Messor
"Never tow another car using panty hose and duct tape."

EccentricSage
08-06-2011, 01:26 AM
Well, those comments are the sort of humor that is best reserved for Anonymous image boards or among friends who understand and know you well enough to know you aren't racist. I know plenty of black people who joke like that with white friends, no problem, but most of them would not take kindly to a stranger saying such things in their presence. It's a contextual issue.

As for stereotyping, can OP post a quote of what was said that specifically generalized all comic fans? I'm not going to read all that, sorry. XD

As for tropes, don't even get me started on obnoxious minority members calling EVERYTHING a trope just to have something to ***** about. There was quite a lot of that in the Dragon Age: Origins fandom over Zevran. Ugh. People just suck what with their stupidity and drama whoring.

Le Messor
08-06-2011, 04:14 AM
Well, those comments are the sort of humor that is best reserved for Anonymous image boards or among friends who understand and know you well enough to know you aren't racist.

Oh, I understand the issue and can see that problem. I was just saying I could see that guy's side, too.

- Le Messor
"In case of doubt, make it sound convincing."

EccentricSage
08-06-2011, 04:34 AM
Oh, I understand the issue and can see that problem. I was just saying I could see that guy's side, too.

- Le Messor
"In case of doubt, make it sound convincing."

I can too. I really think people blow things out of porportion.