The A v X Thread

[Phil]

Previews for #2 are up...

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=12071

and looking at the title page http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/2a8b45di12071/prv12071_pg8.jpg
whilst he isn't in the preview pages actual, there's a piece of JRJR Jeffries art, indicating he'll be in the issue, and the miniseries and possible tie-ins.. hopefully he'll take down Iron Man or something :D

No way I'm getting all those variants though...

[Sypes]

Sweet! And Red Hulk is there too, so many some other AF members? And isn't Quicksilver a mutant? What is he doing in the Avengers side of things?

[Phil]

I think Northstar is the only other member I'd say has a possibility of showing up, but it's doubtful.
Possibly in the Wolverine & The X-Men tie-in issues if anywhere, although there's always a chance it'll be in the main mini-series, AvX VS or in Uncanny X-Men.

[-K-M-]

It would make sense for a Northstar/Quicksilver clash to occur, but dont be shocked if they make Northstar job hard.

[Le Messor]

there's a piece of JRJR Jeffries art,

It's cool to see a classic artist like him take on an Alphan. Just as a thing. Even if it's a single head shot.


And Red Hulk is there too, so many some other AF members? And isn't Quicksilver a mutant? What is he doing in the Avengers side of things?

I got annoyed two days ago when I finally figured out that the Red Hulk and Red She-Hulk were father and daughter. (Annoyed at myself for taking so long, that is.) It just never occurred to me until I was watching the Ed Norton Hulk with somebody who hadn't seen it, to practice for The Avengers, and it was the first time I'd thought about both Red Hulks and their identities at the same time.

Quicksilver has more ties to the Avengers than the X-Men; and most of his ties to the X-Men are as an enemy (Brotherhood of Evil Mutants). This isn't Avengers vs. mutants; note that Storm and Wolverine are caught in the middle.

- Le Messor
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers."

[Phil]

It's cool to see a classic artist like him take on an Alphan. Just as a thing. Even if it's a single head shot.
I'm sure it's an image taken from within the issue so hopefully there'll be more of him.

[rplass]

Previews for #2 are up...

No way I'm getting all those variants though...

These are prices from Midtown Comics. They tend to be on the high end for most variants, BTW.
Avengers vs X-Men #2 Regular Jim Cheung Cover $3.99
Avengers vs X-Men #2 Incentive Carlo Pagulayan Variant Cover $20
Avengers vs X-Men #2 Incentive Nick Bradshaw Sketch Cover $200
Avengers vs X-Men #2 Incentive Nick Bradshaw Variant Cover $100
Avengers vs X-Men #2 Variant DCD Summit 2012 Sketch Cover (limit 1 per customer) $3.99
Avengers vs X-Men #2 Variant Team Avengers Cover $3.99
Avengers vs X-Men #2 Variant Team X-Men Cover $3.99

Total $335.96 if you go to their store. If ordered on line, 15% discount = $285.56

That's a lot of lettuce for a little square with Jeffries' head in it! He better be in the book for that much money!

Love,
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[Le Messor]

Phil - I wasn't sure if it was that or a picture he drew for the promo. Cool, then, that he'll be in it more.


That's a lot of lettuce for a little square with Jeffries' head in it! He better be in the book for that much money!

Well, you could buy just one...
donthitme!!!

- Le Messor
"God doesn't help you with dollars, he helps you with sense."
~ Graeme A.S. Browne

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That's a lot of lettuce for a little square with Jeffries' head in it! He better be in the book for that much money!


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It's not so bad if you use iceberg lettuce. 'Cause, y'know, it has the most leaves.;)




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[Flightpath07]

Um...showing my ignorance here, but who is JRJR? Oh wait; is that John Romita Jr?

[Le Messor]

It's not so bad if you use iceberg lettuce. 'Cause, y'know, it has the most leaves.;)

True, but it costs more than the gourmet kinds.


Um...showing my ignorance here, but who is JRJR? Oh wait; is that John Romita Jr?

Yep! Very distinctive style.

I've seen somebody play a commentary on the comic. It was amazing!

- Le Messor
"If we can't fix it - we'll fix it so nobody can."
~ B. Gibbons

[Chris]

So I wonder which Avengers will the X-Club be fighting? Oh the possibilities. Their ex-teammate Hank McCoy? Maybe Hank Pym? Hulk? Iron Man?

I would love to see Mister Jeffries take on Iron Man. Would be even cooler if Jeffries used the Box armor against Iron Man. But it seems like the X-editors are afraid to have Jeffries use Box in the 616 continuity.

[DIGGER]

I would love to see Mister Jeffries take on Iron Man. Would be even cooler if Jeffries used the Box armor against Iron Man. But it seems like the X-editors are afraid to have Jeffries use Box in the 616 continuity.

Jeffries wouldn't need the Box armour. He could just transmutate Iron Man into whatever he wanted.

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[Chris]

Jeffries wouldn't need the Box armour. He could just transmutate Iron Man into whatever he wanted.

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That's right, forgot about that. Madison Jeffries 1, Tony Stark 0.
I still don't understand the Marvel physics of the how the Iron Man armor in now a part of Tony. But I'm guessing it's more convenient than carrying a suitcase full of armor.

[-K-M-]

Lionel and Madison Jeffries badly beat Iron Man in Age of X.

[rplass]

Lionel and Madison Jeffries badly beat Iron Man in Age of X.

Yup, that was pretty bad, they fused him into his armor (http://alphaflightcollector.wordpress.com/2011/05/20/jeffries-bros-in-age-of-x-universe-1/), gross. I just don't see how Iron Man could win against Jeffries at all, unless they use some kind of gimmick. Cyclops could just say, "Madison, take out Iron Man." And in 1 minute, Iron Man is down. If Cyclops spends 8 issues trying to figure out how to deal with Iron Man while he's got Madison there, it will just be silly.

[Flightpath07]

If Cyclops spends 8 issues trying to figure out how to deal with Iron Man while he's got Madison there, it will just be silly.

Well, he's got Emma Frost to deal with on a 'personal' level; I know if that were me, I'd gladly be so distracted as to forget how to easily deal with Iron Man!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hbuNegblX44/Ta-SwLJz3GI/AAAAAAAAD3o/KkOKQ1vN02M/s1600/emma_frost.jpg

[Chris]

If Cyclops spends 8 issues trying to figure out how to deal with Iron Man while he's got Madison there, it will just be silly.

Right. I don't see this fight lasting more than 1 or 2 panels, unless Iron Man has some sort of secret plan to knock Jeffries and Magneto unconscious before they can attack. Cyclops should say, "Madison, for Pete's sake, wear a safety helmet just in case the enemy tries to knock you unconscious again for the 10th time."

[Flightpath07]

Right. I don't see this fight lasting more than 1 or 2 panels, unless Iron Man has some sort of secret plan to knock Jeffries and Magneto unconscious before they can attack. Cyclops should say, "Madison, for Pete's sake, wear a safety helmet just in case the enemy tries to knock you unconscious again for the 10th time."

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[Phil]

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Madison appears in a few more panels, but the panel that the headshot is taken from is the only proper one of him.
He's seen later in the midst of the fight battling Daredevil with a standard sized gun (?)


I got the Pagulayan cover for $7, and saw the Bradshaw ones for $20 each, but didn't go for them based on the tiny cameos that they were.

[rplass]

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Madison appears in a few more panels, but the panel that the headshot is taken from is the only proper one of him.
He's seen later in the midst of the fight battling Daredevil with a standard sized gun (?)


I got the Pagulayan cover for $7, and saw the Bradshaw ones for $20 each, but didn't go for them based on the tiny cameos that they were.

Interesting that the Bradshaw covers were $20 each when Midtown Comics has them going for $100 and $200. Could you pick me up a pair?

[Phil]

I'll go back tomorrow and see if they have any left. Can't guarantee it, but I'll try mate.

[Le Messor]

I got the Pagulayan cover for $7, and saw the Bradshaw ones for $20 each, but didn't go for them based on the tiny cameos that they were.

You went all the way to Pagulaya for a cover?

[-K-M-]

Such a poorly written series.

[rplass]

A little bird told me to check out the previews for Avengers Academy #29.

EDIT: OK now that I have linky here is the linky in black and white:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=11685&pg=1

and in color, the clincher is the greyed temples:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=12203&pg=5

[Flightpath07]

Was that the bluebird of happiness?

[Le Messor]

I collect that series!

[Phil]

Ahh, I guess that means he's not in AvX #3 then.

[Chris]

Was that the bluebird of happiness?

Little birdie has always been me. I saw the original black and white pic last month and suspected it was Jeffries and the colored version confirmed it for me.
My workplace blocks alphaflight.net as an inappropriate website (this has nothing to do with that hacking incident from last year) and I wanted to get the news out asap for all you Mister Jeffries fans.



I collect that series!

I've been collecting it since issue 21. I hope my buddy Turbo makes an appearance during this AvX arc since this week's Avengers Roll Call handbook lists her as a current part time student with Avengers Academy.

[rplass]

Ahh, I guess that means he's not in AvX #3 then.

What's the logic behind this guess? Why can't he be in both?

[Flightpath07]

What's the logic behind this guess? Why can't he be in both?

BOTH!?!?! Why, that'd be practically unheard of in the Marvel Universe, for a character to be in more than one book! Right?

[ "who turned out the lights? who's there?! c'mon, answer me! I don't know who you are, but i really doubt 'snikt' is your name..." ]

[Phil]

I've merged the Avengers Academy thread with the Av X general one, as they're both dealing with the same storyline.

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What's the logic behind this guess? Why can't he be in both?

I was kinda wrong.
He appears from the shoulders down far in the background in one panel.

In Avengers Academy #29 however, he plays a really big part.
Lots of face time and lines, shown very much in the responsible adult role protecting the Utopia kids as they're imprisoned.
Definitely worth getting.

[Phil]

Box armour in avengers academy #30!!!!

http://marvel.com/news/story/18667/avengers_academy_final_exam

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[Le Messor]

It looks... different...

[Phil]

I'm guessing it's an ad hoc armour made up of whatever scrap metal was laying around.

[Le Messor]

I'm guessing it's an ad hoc armour made up of whatever scrap metal was laying around.

More spitting at commercials, huh?
That was always his strength - making robots out of junk. Or cars.

- Le Messor
"If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."
~ Doug Horton

[Chris]

This is still awesome news no matter what the armour is made out of.

[Flightpath07]

It looks... different...

Yeah, my thawts too. I was thinking it bore a resemblance more to Iron Man than to Box.

[Flightpath07]

More spitting at commercials, huh?
That was always his strength - making robots out of junk. Or cars.

I heard spitting at commercials was also a strength of his.

I got to admit, and don't slag me cuz of this, but i really don't have no love for Jeffries anymore. I think Byrne wrote him great. I think his inclusion in the team after Byrne left, was a big mistake. (And one i plan on fixing; in my world [ http://my-af-writer-jb-then-me.blogspot.ca/ - coming soon] Jeffries will be hanging with X-Men, not Alpha Flight.)

For me, I am changing my "ad hoc" for Jeffries to "ad nauseum".

[Chris]

Yeah, my thawts too. I was thinking it bore a resemblance more to Iron Man than to Box.

Yeah, he does appear to be wearing the armour like Iron Man used to. Now I'm really starting to think Christos Gage is definitely a Box fan since he included the Box armour before in the non continuity House of M: Masters of Evil #3 story.

[Mokole]

I am a fan of Jeffries being Box, no doubt.

[DIGGER]

It looks more like a beefed up version of a cylon than Box. I want the good ol' Red and Silver Box circa issue 24.

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[Flightpath07]

It looks more like a beefed up version of a cylon than Box. I want the good ol' Red and Silver Box circa issue 24.

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I second that. With Roger Bochs as operator of it.

[-K-M-]

I'm still happy to see him in his Box armor, even though I'm sure they will have Shaw beat him

EDIT: Crud, didn't see the other preview page till now,looks like I was right

[Phil]

More previews of Madison at the Avengers Academy in AA #30: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=12381

And in the preview for A Vs X #4 he appears to be in The Savage Land too http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/0a0b415i12377/prv12377_pg7.jpg

[Le Messor]

More previews of Madison at the Avengers Academy in AA #30

His role in #29 was a lot bigger than I expected; I'd thought it'd be one of those where he's just hanging around the background, existing.
Turns out, he has lines, too. Quite a few.
(This should probably go in the AA29 thread, but this one just came up and I can't be bothered looking for the other.)

- Le Messor
"If you have a college degree you can be absolutely sure of one thing... you have a college degree."

[Phil]

Heh, if you look up 14 posts this is/was the AA#29 thread ;)

[Le Messor]

sounds like a lot of work.
:P

[-K-M-]

Guess Jeffries doesn't phase into his armor anymore.

[Le Messor]

Clearly, he was just going through a phase.

[Flightpath07]

* Groaning *

[-K-M-]

Jeffries doesn't appear in AvsX-Men #4 other then the 1st page where it says he is in the Savage Land (no apperance in the story itself)

[Phil]

Yeah, I thought that was an error.

He's very clearly at the Avengers Academy as seen in the title itself.

He's only in the previews we've already seen and does get taken out by Shaw, but then again so do Herc and Tigra so it's no typical Jeffries KO.

[rplass]

Definitely a mistake. Too many characters, not enough editing. Disappointing fail on Marvel's part to keep it all straight. I bet they meant to put X-Man in the preview page instead of Jeffries. Oh well, both have gray in their hair, maybe that's why.

[Flightpath07]

Yeah, I thought that was an error.

He's very clearly at the Avengers Academy as seen in the title itself.

He's only in the previews we've already seen and does get taken out by Shaw, but then again so do Herc and Tigra so it's no typical Jeffries KO.

I'd like to take out Tigra, too! Dinner, movie, and dancing. Follow it up with quiet time by the fireplace, with a ball of string and a scratching post.

[-K-M-]

Jeffries/Box appears again in Avengers Academy #31, and has several speaking lines. He is in his armor the entire time.

[Phil]

There's a Spider-Man In Motion variant for the issue too.

[Flightpath07]

There's a Spider-Man In Motion variant for the issue too.

I don't know what that means, but i am curious; is Spider-Man ever NOT in motion?!?

[Le Messor]

I'm curious... what's Spider-Man got to do with it? Who needs a web when a web can be broken?

(I'm imagining a lenticular cover that changes what it looks like when you look at it at a different angle. Y'know, a gimmick. The 90s are back.)

- Le Messor
"Language is the dress of thought."
~ Samuel Johnson

[Chris]

Jeffries doth speaketh in issue 31. This book keeps getting more interesting every month. And the Avengers Academy letter page is starting to become one of my favorite reads too. There sure are a lot of different opinions about this book.

[-K-M-]

I bet that is the last we will see of Jeffries in this book though.

[rplass]

Yeah, that letter page is intense!

And some guy named Mik Bennett from Canberra Australia was going on about Byrne's Alpha Flight. What an odd coincidence!

[Le Messor]

And some guy named Mik Bennett from Canberra Australia was going on about Byrne's Alpha Flight. What an odd coincidence!

They let that guy have a say?

The fools!!!

- Le Messor
"If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything."

[Flightpath07]

Indeed? Well, at least it wasn't a letter from a Michael.

Did I mention that i dropped this series a few months back? Not sure if it had just gone through a down-phase, but the direction it was going was suddenly so very different from where it had previously been going that i just couldn't take it. Wonder if it got back on track, or did everyone just appreciate the new direction more than i did?

[Le Messor]

Indeed? Well, at least it wasn't a letter from a Michael.

Eww, those are always bad.

Here, have a 'W': w


Did I mention that i dropped this series a few months back? Not sure if it had just gone through a down-phase, but the direction it was going was suddenly so very different from where it had previously been going that i just couldn't take it. Wonder if it got back on track, or did everyone just appreciate the new direction more than i did?

Can't answer; I only started picking it up a few months back, so I don't know what direction it was going in before.

- Le Messor
"If you can't say something nice, say something surrealistic."

[Phil]

A few weeks back I read the series so far, for the first time and I quite enjoyed it.
Not sure I'm invested in the characters enough to pick it up regularly but if I ever see cheap trades I'll pick them up.

Thinking about it, I did the same thing with Avengers:The Inititative which had a similar vibe and was written by Gage (with/after Slott)

[Phil]

I don't know what that means, but i am curious; is Spider-Man ever NOT in motion?!?


I'm curious... what's Spider-Man got to do with it? Who needs a web when a web can be broken?

(I'm imagining a lenticular cover that changes what it looks like when you look at it at a different angle. Y'know, a gimmick. The 90s are back.)

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[Flightpath07]

Oh, I see...he's crawling out of the cover. Cool, I suppose.

Phil, I really like Avengers:Initiative as well, and own the whole run of that one.

As for Academy, i just think the dynamics of it changed WAY TOO MUCH when they opened it up to other students, as well as the move to the west coast. It has now become West Coast Kidddie Avengers, which wasn't the title I enjoyed reading so much before then. Just MHO, tho.

[Le Messor]

Oh, I see...he's crawling out of the cover. Cool, I suppose.

As if I don't have enough spiders running around this house already...

[Phil]

Definitely a mistake. Too many characters, not enough editing. Disappointing fail on Marvel's part to keep it all straight. I bet they meant to put X-Man in the preview page instead of Jeffries. Oh well, both have gray in their hair, maybe that's why.

Bless Editorial; they're half way there...
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http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=46763

[rplass]

Oh that is just awful. I can't even describe how disappointing that is. Ugh.

[Flightpath07]

Oh that is just awful. I can't even describe how disappointing that is. Ugh.

Oh, please try. Please please PLEASE try. ;)

[EccentricSage]

AvX is just another contrived marketing ploy, though. Better off with Alphans no where near that. You know what they like to do to Alphans in these books.

Though I want to see Jeffries kick ass again as much as anyone. Hell, I'd be interested in him hearing about what's become of his old friend Kyle Gibney. Is he just indifferent towards all his friends and former team members now? He's so isolated from them.

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I mean, did these writers ever read any Alpha Flight?

[Le Messor]

I saw the ad for AvX in Avengers: Academy #31; it looked like the colourist had missed a deadline, then over breakfast spilled orange juice on the comic instead.
For about six different covers.

- Le Messor
"I'll bring the weaponry. Buffy: I'll bring the party mix."
~ Giles

[Phil]

Hell, I'd be interested in him hearing about what's become of his old friend Kyle Gibney. Is he just indifferent towards all his friends and former team members now? He's so isolated from them.

The same former team members that made no effort at all to free him from the Zodiac and Weapon X?
Weapon X where he was brainwashed and tormented and made to retreat into himself, fearing human contact completely?
The same Weapon X that Kyle Gibney was a part of?

I'd be isolated from them all.

[EccentricSage]

The same former team members that made no effort at all to free him from the Zodiac and Weapon X?
Weapon X where he was brainwashed and tormented and made to retreat into himself, fearing human contact completely?
The same Weapon X that Kyle Gibney was a part of?

I'd be isolated from them all.

That's true, and completely unsatisfactory. All of Marvel's writing was bad at that time, far as I could tell. I hate blaming the characters for it, but then there's continuity... Ugh...

There is a lot wrong with how AF members were handled while the team was not temporarily on death hiatus. One can make the excuse that it's not like they're hands weren't full, but they had time to try to help Flashback, you'd think they'd care about whatever happened to Jeffries, Aurora, and Wildchild. One of my biggest issues with Weapon X is that I just can't see that **** happening to Aurora without her brother hunting them down. But I guess we can write off the Mental institution scene as Mesmero's work rather than reality? But then what the **** was really going on with Aurora, how did they get ahold of her, if that was an illusion?

It was also shown in a One-Shot during his stint in X-Factor that Wildchild was still in touch with Alpha Flight. Though I couldn't blame Alpha for loosing track of him nearly as much as the members of X-Factor at that point. Hey guys, Sabretooth is at large again, the Hound program is at work, and Wildchild who had been slowly changing for quite a few issues now, has gone AWOL. Shouldn't you be concerned?

We know Diamond Lil was looking for Jeffries at least, why weren't any other Alphans or anyone from the training groups with her? And it drove me nuts that with the exception of Wildchild's feelings for Aurora, none of the Alphans aknowledged eachother or their history. In before 'lol brainwashing'. I can't stand it when writers use that as a cop out without any technobable as to how it's being done.

[Phil]

One of my biggest issues with Weapon X is that I just can't see that **** happening to Aurora without her brother hunting them down.
I'm pretty sure that in #18 it was revealed he'd been frantically looking for her but to no luck.


It was also shown in a One-Shot during his stint in X-Factor that Wildchild was still in touch with Alpha Flight. Though I couldn't blame Alpha for loosing track of him nearly as much as the members of X-Factor at that point. Hey guys, Sabretooth is at large again, the Hound program is at work, and Wildchild who had been slowly changing for quite a few issues now, has gone AWOL. Shouldn't you be concerned?
Well the X-Factor #116 and the Sabretooth:Back To Nature oneshot were set in between Volume's 1 & 2.
After Volume 2 started AF had their hands full with their own issues, plus new members, distrust and Dept. H to deal with.
By the time we get to X-Factor #142 that's roughly between #9 & 10 of Volume 2.


We know Diamond Lil was looking for Jeffries at least, why weren't any other Alphans or anyone from the training groups with her?
We know she came to Dept. H looking for a fight with him because he rejoined the team pre-Volume 2 #1.
And she was kidnapped by Dept. H before any of AF had a chance to see her and realise he was missing, let alone send people to look for Madison with her.
Plus they'd been mind-wiped to forget Madison was ever there.


I can't stand it when writers use that as a cop out without any technobable as to how it's being done.
Personally I hate it when writers give too much technobabble and ruin the sense of story and fun. Each to their own.

[Le Messor]

I can't stand it when writers use that as a cop out without any technobable as to how it's being done.

Personally I hate it when writers give too much technobabble and ruin the sense of story and fun. Each to their own.

I agree with both of you - I'm really sick of the trope of brainwashing, and think it's a cop-out most of the time; but too much explanation and technobabble does take away from a sense of fun.

Hey! Who're you guys? What're you---

I love the brainwashing trope I love the brainwashing trope

[Phil]

Looking at the sketch for the A+X poster that makes up the covers for #1-4 it looks like Northstar will be on the cover to #3:

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[rplass]

I love the pointy ear sticking out on that sketch. Awesome. Wasn't this published recently?

[Phil]

The finished cover for #1 was shown at SDCC.

I haven't seen the finished poster yet, if it has been shown anywhere.

[rplass]

Ah, the cover to #1 was published on the back of the gatefold cover to Marvel Previews #108 and the 3/4 sketch image of the poster was also published in that issue. A collectible for a completist and only $1.25!

[Phil]

Full poster image: 2616
Turns out it'll be the variant to #3 that he appears on.

[Phil]

So... looks like we may see Mad Jeff in AvX #11...

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[rplass]

So... looks like we may see Mad Jeff in AvX #11...

Unless the same genius who mixed up the preview page last time still doesn't know who he is...

[Phil]

No Jeffries in #11 :(

I imagine he's on that intro page solely because Rogue mentions him.

[rplass]

Full poster image: 2616
Turns out it'll be the variant to #3 that he appears on.

And today retailers have that poster as giveaway promo cards, but cut up into four sections. I have a few extra of the cards with Northstar on it if anyone needs one!

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[Phil]

Northstar appears in A Babies Vs X Babies:
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[Le Messor]

Now, you gotta admit, that is cute!

[Flightpath07]

Now, you gotta admit, that is cute!

Actually, i was thinking more along the lines of, 'you gotta be kidding me, what idiot came up with THIS idea'?

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Hear, hear!=D>

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[Phil]

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Jeffries appears in this week's AvX:VS #6 in a one page splash of the A-Scientists vs the X-Scientists by Kathryn & Stuart Immonen.

Also, not an AF appearance, but Dale Eaglesham fills in on this week's Uncanny X-Men.

[Le Messor]

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Jeffries appears in this week's AvX:VS #6 in a one page splash of the A-Scientists vs the X-Scientists by Kathryn & Stuart Immonen.

Also, not an AF appearance, but Dale Eaglesham fills in on this week's Uncanny X-Men.

I disagree with Phil's post!

[rplass]

I disagree with Phil's post!

You're just saying the opposite of what everyone else is saying!!

Phil, there's also a variant cover to that AvX VS #6, and oh, nice find!

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and most importantly, all of the Alpha Flight mutants that lost their powers during M-Day got their powers back :) I hope I hope Windshear returns.

[Chris]

I disagree with Phil's post!
Phil verses Mike. And the winner is?

But seriously, this one panel splash page should have been a oneshot or at least a 10 page story.



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and most importantly, all of the Alpha Flight mutants that lost their powers during M-Day got their powers back :) I hope I hope Windshear returns.

Windshear, Radius, Flex, and Murmur better be repowered now.

[Flightpath07]

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and most importantly, all of the Alpha Flight mutants that lost their powers during M-Day got their powers back :) I hope I hope Windshear returns.

I am taking it that all the Marvel de-powered mutants are now powered again, then?

[Chris]

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Avengers vs X-Men #12 only shows people suddenly gaining mutant powers. No actual former mutants are seen regaining their powers. Maybe this will happen in next week's AvX Consequences #1?

[Phil]

Yeah, I took #12 the same way as Chris.
i hope I'm wrong and KM is right though.

[Le Messor]

Phil verses Mike. And the winner is?

Hey, Inigo, I hope we win!

[Phil]

Windshear, Radius, Flex, and Murmur better be repowered now.
Without his powers surely Radius would've died after being buried alive?

[Le Messor]

Without his powers surely Radius would've died after being buried alive?

Probably, but don't call him Shirley.

I don't think we need worry too much about it, though. This is comics; we've seen people survive being dipped in liquid hot magma.

~ Le Messor
"Excuse the language, I'm about to call the phone company."
~ one of my colleagues

[-K-M-]

Oh I havent read the story myself yet, just based it off of what people are saying at different boards. I won't be getting the comic till tomorrow.

[Phil]

AVX #12 SPOILED:-
SERIOUSLY; DON'T READ UNLESS YOU WANT IT ...

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I read it as being like the 5 Lights awakening when Hope appeared; now that the Phoenix Force has been dissipated and spread throughout the world, it's cancelled out Wanda's Chaos Hex and rather than un-done what happened previously, it's just levelled the playing field and left the world in balance for more so now any new X genes are still triggered.

[Phil]

Reading between the lines at http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41345 it does look like it's only new ones.

Again, AvX #12 spoilers.

[Phil]

Jeffries appears in this week's AvX:VS #6 in a one page splash of the A-Scientists vs the X-Scientists by Kathryn & Stuart Immonen.
For those who haven't seen the issue in question:
http://immonen.ca/post/32869806478

[-K-M-]

Who is Jeffries fighting? Da Vinci?

[Le Messor]

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I read it as being like the 5 Lights awakening when Hope appeared; now that the Phoenix Force has been dissipated and spread throughout the world, it's cancelled out Wanda's Chaos Hex and rather than un-done what happened previously, it's just levelled the playing field and left the world in balance

You refer to the prophecy of one who will bring balance to the mutations?


Who is Jeffries fighting? Da Vinci?

Wasn't he an original member of SHIELD now? So, maybe.
Certainly, they call him Italian.

(I have to imagine that dialogue makes sense in the context?)

~ Le Messor
Willow: Is this the master plan? You're gonna stop me by telling me you love me?
Xander: Well, I was gonna walk you off a cliff and hand you an anvil, but it seemed kind of cartoony.

[-K-M-]

He also appeared in a New Avengers tie-in to this event set a few hundred years ago though.

[Phil]

Yeah, like most of the battles in the issue I don't think it's to be taken literally.

[EccentricSage]

How long has Jeffries been talking that fancy, for? I miss the good old days when different characters had different speach patterns, accents, dialects, slang... Ugh. But it's good to see him in the thick of it. Now I just wish the writers would let him do something awesome with his powers.

As for the mutant powers balancing thing... look at it this way, it doesn't matter what it means, any writer who wants to can use it to justify giving characters their powers back if they really want to. We've seen worse explanations for characters being re-powered. (Loeb...)

[Flightpath07]

As for the mutant powers balancing thing

For myself, I'm not in favour of it. Although i appreciate that Marvel says they won't bring in a flood of mutants suddenly, the temptation for writers to make up any villain (or hero) they need to move a story along, with the mere explanation of "they're a mutant", is too much for many to avoid. I like my supers to have details, to make the writers think up interesting stories behind how they got their powers that help flesh out who the character is. Just saying "mutant" too often is a cop out. So this new development makes me nervous. Good thing i only read a couple of Marvel titles. And if they flood "Wolverine and the X-Men" with a bunch of new mutant children (which they have already said is what will happen in that series), i doubt i'll keep getting that title.

Good thing there are other comic companies that i enjoy way more than Marvel.

[Mokole]

I agree, just randomly making up new characters each storyline is dumb and cheap, which is one reason why having a billion mutants is a bad idea. I also don't like how it makes mutants the 'evolution' of mankind; having mutants as a sidebar or the result of experiments like in Ultimate was so much more enjoyable, didn't have so many one and done characters. Heroes don't wind up facing new villains every day, it's nice to have a backstory to lean on most of the time.

[Phil]

If Byrne/Claremont had used existing characters we'd never have had AF.

[Le Messor]

the temptation for writers to make up any villain (or hero) they need to move a story along, with the mere explanation of "they're a mutant", is too much for many to avoid.

Well, that is why Stan Lee invented them! :?


I agree, just randomly making up new characters each storyline is dumb and cheap,

I half-agree; a lot of the time, it seems like they're 'making up' the same characters over and over again. (Like, how many of the Serpent Society are just people who throw real good? And how many shadowy secret societies does the New DCU need?)


having mutants as a sidebar or the result of experiments like in Ultimate was so much more enjoyable

I've never taken to that idea for some reason.
I'm not entirely sure why.


If Byrne/Claremont had used only existing characters we'd never have had AF.

True. (with my added 'only')

~ Le Messor
"Internal consistency is more highly valued than efficiency."

[Phil]

I half-agree; a lot of the time, it seems like they're 'making up' the same characters over and over again.
I think that that's the proverbial nail on the head.
Murmur was the greatest example of this, for me. Although obviously had the 'Legacies' sub-plot been allowed to come to fruition her existance would have made more sense.

[Flightpath07]

I think that that's the proverbial nail on the head.
Murmur was the greatest example of this, for me. Although obviously had the 'Legacies' sub-plot been allowed to come to fruition her existance would have made more sense.

I agree. Leaving that subplot dangling was a tragedy. Likelihood of it ever being fixed? - Zero.

[Alphan East]

Although obviously had the 'Legacies' sub-plot been allowed to come to fruition her existance would have made more sense.

I thought the whole "Legacies of Hull House" was one of the better things to come out of Volume 2... if it would have been done right. Introducing a few young characters in this way would have been a great way of setting up a Beta Flight with its own back stories and adventures... maybe even under the guidance of some Alphans like Shaman or Windshear.

[Mokole]

Agreed.

[Flightpath07]

Agreed.

Moi, aussi.

[-K-M-]

Glad this event is over, well...the main event, the fall-out could be interesting.

[Phil]

Yeah... Puck being in UXF is the closest we're getting at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Volume 5 by someone like Cullen Bunn soon...

[Mokole]

Cullen Bunn? Not familiar with his work, has he hinted at AF?

[-K-M-]

Yeah... Puck being in UXF is the closest we're getting at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Volume 5 by Cullen Bunn soon...


Really? that could be interesting. His Deadpool vs. the Marvel Universe was a fun read.

[Phil]

Nah, nothing hinted or insider knowledge, just a guess of the kind of emerging talent they'd put on the book.
Not necessarily him, but I think he'd do a good job.

[rplass]

The A+X poster is out today! Got me a free copy from the LCS! Thanks LCS!

2616 Northstar on the lower left quadrant. Very the cool poster overall.

[-K-M-]

A-Babies vs X-Babies #1
-Northstar appears

[Phil]

See http://alphaflight.net/showthread.php?8287-The-A-v-X-Thread&p=89071&viewfull=1#post89071

[-K-M-]

My mistake didn't see your post

[Phil]

No no, no mistake made, it was weeks ago.
I was just linking to the image.

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Rictor has regained his powers in X-factor, I don't know for sure if it has to do with AvsX or not

Dana

[Phil]

He got his back in Avengers: The Children's Crusade at the start of the year, I think at the hands of Scarlett Witch.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Ah, thank you Phil.

Dana

[Chris]

If you want the exact issue, it was in last year's Avengers The Children's Crusade #6 when Rictor volunteered to let the Scarlet Witch give him his mutant powers back.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Thank you, Chris.

Dana