Article: Avengers #10 Preview At CBR

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http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=44318

Canadian heroes are death fodder once again.

[Chris]

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So much for this Omega Flight. At least they're getting killed on panel this time. They need to learn to stay out of all Avengers books. Sigh.

[Phil]

Well, so far all it's just

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a Wendigo that's dead and there's plenty of them to go around.

And I'm glad that's definitely not Jeffries :lol:

[Chris]

Well, so far all it's just

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a Wendigo that's dead and there's plenty of them to go around.

True. We also learned in Incredible Hulk 11 that there are plenty of Sasquatch to go around too. I will remain calm until the actual issue comes out then :)

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Here's my response I did on another board. The title of the thread was called "Avengers + Dead Canadian superheroes = $$$". I said "Meh! Just a random robot and a Wendigo. Technically you can't kill a Wendigo, but sure that will be ignored (which isnt that big of a deal). Since basically three of the 4 characters are brand new (pretty sure this is an AR) cant say there will be much impact." and another replied which a pretty bang on response...."Yeah Canucks not named Wolverine should really avoid Avengers books."....bang on, well the more recent Avengers books

[Phil]

Well, I know it's a month off still, but is anyone interested in reviewing this issue when it comes out?

If you can't get to a store on the day a legal Digital Copy can be sent your way.

[cmdrkoenig67]

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Hopefully, some of them make it out alive...I'd like to see the list of Canadian characters grow and perhaps call more attention to Alpha Flight.

Dana

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Pretty sure Validator will, here name was in the solicts and she appears on the cover too.

[Flightpath07]

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Hopefully, some of them make it out alive...I'd like to see the list of Canadian characters grow and perhaps call more attention to Alpha Flight.

Dana

Agreed!

[Legerd]

Help me out here, is this an alternate reality, or 616? And why isn't AF getting involved no matter what universe this is set in?

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I think it is an alternate reality to be honest. Not 100% sure though

[Chris]

This takes place in 616. During the events from the first three issues of the Avengers, 7 bio-weapons from Mars landed across the Earth, one of them hitting Canada. In Avengers 4, Captain Marvel mentions that the Canadian government will be sending Omega Flight to contain it. Also in issue 4, we see A.I.M. and the Avengers fighting over a bio-weapons site in the Savage Land.

As to why the Canadian government is sending a new Omega Flight, instead of Alpha Flight, I have no idea.

Also one of the bio-weapons landed in Perth. Maybe Alpha Flight is going to visit Australia instead and say "hello" to Le Messor?

[Phil]

And why isn't AF getting involved no matter what universe this is set in?
Because this time around AF are too relevant to just be killed off, so characters have been created for the sole reason of sacrificial lambs.

[Flightpath07]

Because this time around AF are too relevant to just be killed off, so characters have been created for the sole reason of sacrificial lambs.

Well...

...last time out, our heroes were killed off-panel.

So, perhaps Marvel has "upped the ante", and will tell us, 6 months or so from now, that AF died, off panel, between the last page of Avengers 9 and the cover of Avengers 10 (without ever being seen or mentioned!).

[Phil]

I think that even after Vol.4 being 'not-extended' AF are in a better position and held in more regard than they were after the end of Vol.3 so I doubt they'll be killed off, on-panel or not.

[Legerd]

Right, thanks for the answers. But now I'd like to know why the Avengers are the team to go in and save OF instead of AF? I mean, considering this is in Canadian territory, shouldn't AF be the ones to save the day? Yes I know it's an Avengers story, but couldn't AF at least have teamed up with the Avengers? I will give Marvel kudos for at least recognizing Canada still exists as part of their shared universe, but they lose marks for the name "Validator". Why can't our heroes have cool names anymore?

Oh, and does anyone else get a "Roadside Picnic" vibe from this?

[Le Messor]

Also one of the bio-weapons landed in Perth. Maybe Alpha Flight is going to visit Australia instead and say "hello" to Le Messor?

:D That'd be awesome!
... but Perth is clear across the country (west coast - I'm east). Sengsteroony lives around there, though. Maybe they'll visit him?

~ Le Messor
"It's the opinion of some that crops could be grown on the moon. Which raises the fear that it may not be long before we're paying somebody not to."
~ Franklin P. Jones

[Legerd]

:D That'd be awesome!
... but Perth is clear across the country (west coast - I'm east).

Yeah, but I'd bet you'd put your underwear on the outside and head there to represent Queen and country. :p

[Le Messor]

It does get annoying when something happens to Canada, and that great Marvel superteam Anyone-But-Alpha-Flight flies to the rescue for no adequately explored reason.


Oh, and does anyone else get a "Roadside Picnic" vibe from this?

What's "Roadside Picnic"?


Yeah, but I'd bet you'd put your underwear on the outside and head there to represent Queen and country. :p

Well, more country than Queen. Canada has the same Queen I do, so I don't have to represent her to Alpha...
... unless you mean the band? Hmm... what should I play? ... anything but Another One Bites The Dust?

~ Le Messor
"Love all, trust a few. Do wrong to none."
~ Shakespeare, All's Well That Ends Well

[Legerd]

What's "Roadside Picnic"?

Roadside Picnic (http://www.sfsite.com/11b/rp93.htm) is a scifi novel by Russian brothers and authors Arkady and Boris Strugatsky in which an alien spacecraft comes to Earth and dumps "stuff" that creates zones in several areas around the world where alien technology, and warped physics threaten anyone who goes into them. One of "the Zones" is on the east coast of Canada (the setting for the story) into which the main character enters illegally to earn a living scavenging alien items for the black market. It's actually a pretty cool story. The title comes from some dialogue in which one character thinks the aliens who created the zones were just passing by Earth, and stopped to have a roadside picnic much like humans would while on vacation. And like humans (at that time) they just tossed their garbage out the car window as they drove away polluting the environment and thus creating the Zones.




Well, more country than Queen. Canada has the same Queen I do, so I don't have to represent her to Alpha...
... unless you mean the band? Hmm... what should I play? ... anything but Another One Bites The Dust?

Yes, perhaps stick with the usual, We Are The Champions, eh?

[Le Messor]

Roadside Picnic (http://www.sfsite.com/11b/rp93.htm) is a scifi novel by Russian brothers and authors Arkady and Boris Strugatsky in which an alien spacecraft comes to Earth and dumps "stuff" that creates zones in several areas around the world where alien technology...

Sounds interesting.


Yes, perhaps stick with the usual, We Are The Champions, eh?

Well, it was that or Sliver Salmon, but nobody's heard of that one.*

* But, yes, it is the real name of a real Queen song.

~ Le Messor
"Never buy a thing you don't want merely because it is dear."
~ Oscar Wilde

[Flightpath07]

I was thinking, "I Want To Ride My Bicycle", if that is the way you'd travel to Perth from your house.

[Le Messor]

Well, that is how I get to work.

[Phil]

I'd like to know why the Avengers are the team to go in and save OF instead of AF?

We don't actually know that there is an Alpha Flight after the events of Volume 4; they were outlaws, shut down by the government and had no official status. Although then that means the Hulk:Mayan Rule arc needs a bit of working.

Plus the Avengers have official SHIELD status as guardians of the entire world, not just America, and have experience with these particular enemies.

[Flightpath07]

Although then that means the Hulk:Mayan Rule arc needs a bit of working.

Phil, I hate to throw a bunch of blame on editorial staff, but...

...isn't this part of their job? And, IF these facts are supposed to be checked by 'junior editors' or such, are the Senior Editors not STILL responsible for making sure that the Juniors get all their facts correct?

[Phil]

But if it doesn't contradict any facts, there's nothing to get correct, which isn't a fault.
Does it actually say in the arc that AF are working for the government?
To my recollection it says something about Ross contacting them as per international protocols but that could have meant he went straight to Mac rather than through the government. Tenuous possibly but that's what I mean by a bit of working.

Besides, #10 will probably clear up as to why AF aren't about.

[Flightpath07]

Besides, #10 will probably clear up as to why AF aren't about.

That'd be nice. Usually with Alpha, things get more cluttered and confusing, not more clear.

[Legerd]

We don't actually know that there is an Alpha Flight after the events of Volume 4; they were outlaws, shut down by the government and had no official status. Although then that means the Hulk:Mayan Rule arc needs a bit of working.

Plus the Avengers have official SHIELD status as guardians of the entire world, not just America, and have experience with these particular enemies.

I thought at the end of Vol. 4 AF was vindicated (no pun intended) when they captured the Master. I mean they were standing around with a bunch of regular folks doing clean up at the end weren't they? No one was trying to arrest, or blow them up. And they were acting, it would seem, as Canada's official reps with the Mayan invasion. Has there been anything in or out of the comics to suggest they are still on the run?

I know the Avengers have worldwide jurisdiction (something that makes me question the intelligence of the UN since many of the heroes on the team have done some very shady things recently), but that still doesn't explain why AF isn't working alongside the Avengers on Canadian soil, assuming they aren't still wanted criminals. Of course if they are still wanted criminals then why haven't the Avengers been called in to apprehend them?

[Phil]

There's a difference between being wanted criminals and officially working for the Government, though.
It could well be like Vol.1 #1 where they've been disbanded.
Just because they're not on the run/wanted criminals, doesn't mean that th new Prme Minister has reinstated them as a paid, national team.

But as I say, it's all speculation till next month.

[Canucklehead]

It's a bit odd since there hasn't been a hero Omega Flight since Michael Porter. Even "Alpha Strike" MIGHT have made sense. I wish they'd have been called Beta Flight. That way we could assume AF was either "Out of the Country" or it was "NHL Trade Deadline Day" so they all called in sick or something. Hopefully this is just making up for the LAST time Alpha was in an Avengers book...

[Mokole]

So the robot character isn't human? Who do you think the other human is, a new character or someone we know? A Wendigo who 'dies', a robot of some sort who 'dies'? And the two humans, Validator and that guy? I guess time will tell.

[sengsterooney]

Well, I live in... Perth and we certainly were not bombarded by bio-weapons from Mars. But then again, I don't think we live on Earth 616. :-)

I must say that the new Deodato art looks cool -- and I have no idea who the new Omega Flight characters are. Remember back in the early days of AF that there were 3 tiers: Alpha, Beta and Omega, so perhaps these are just brand-spanking new characters. Validator is a bit of a strange code name though... :-)

[Canucklehead]

The Male reminds me a bit of an older Flex.

[Le Messor]

Well, I live in... Perth and we certainly were not bombarded by bio-weapons from Mars. But then again, I don't think we live on Earth 616. :-)

I think it happened, but it was a godawful small affair. At least, to the girl with the mousey hair.
Anyway, the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million-to-one... they say.


Remember back in the early days of AF that there were 3 tiers: Alpha, Beta and Omega, so perhaps these are just brand-spanking new characters.

I know you meant to say Alpha, Beta, and Gamma!
But I do think these are just new characters.

~ Le Messor
"It's true that every time you hear a bell, an angel gets its wings. But what they don't tell you is that every time you hear a mouse trap snap, and Angel gets set on fire."

[Mokole]

Well, the diamond dogs are poachers and they hide behind trees, hunt you to the ground they will, mannequins with kill appeal. Not Box-like. Or Box-lite.

[Le Messor]

Oh, Mokole - your eyes can be so cruel... just as I can be so cruel.
Then again, it's only forever - not long at all.

[Mokole]

Well Le Messor, I can safely say I'm not strung out on lazers or back slashed blazers, though I ate all your razors while pulling the waiters...talking about Monroe, and walking on Snow White?

[Le Messor]

Y'see, Mokole, the television man is crazy, saying we're all juvenile delinquent wrecks.
Like I need TV when I've got T-Rex.

[Mokole]

Sure, Le Messor, I see, you've got your transmission and your live wire, you got your cue line and a handful of ludes; you wanna be there when they count up the dudes!

[Le Messor]

Mokole, it's just you and your idol singing falsetto loud. Do you remember the bills you have to pay? Or even yesterday?

[Mokole]

Ah, Le Messor. You acted funny trying to spend my money, you're out there playing your high class games; leather, leather everywhere and not a myth left from the ghetto.

[Le Messor]

Mokole, just show me the way to the next whiskey bar - oh, don't ask why. No, don't ask why.
For if I don't find the next whiskey bar, I tell you I must die.

[Mokole]

Oh Le Messor, I'm happy, hope you're happy too. I've loved all I've needed to love (sordid details following).

[Phil]

Part of me really wants to steer this thread back on track, but the other part of me doesn't...

[Mokole]

Sorry, Dad. I never did good things, I never did bad things, I never did anything out of the blue. Want an axe to break the ice?

[Flightpath07]

Part of me really wants to steer this thread back on track, but the other part of me doesn't...

It's off-track?!? I thought they were giving us spoilers about Avengers 10!

[Le Messor]

Yeah, sorry Phil, but planet Earth is blue, and there's nothing I can do.

[Flightpath07]

Perhaps we could change the thread title to "Article: Avengers # 10 Preview At CBR (Oh baby just you shut your mouth)" ?

[Le Messor]

Sorry, FP, I tried to catch the paperboy, but things don't really change.

[Mokole]

If the team survives, we may see AF intervene. Though nothing will drive them away, we can beat them, just for one day.

[Le Messor]

I'd thought AF died alone a long, long time ago - but oh no, not them. They never lost control.

[Mokole]

AF's point of view may be, if they get involved, 'we're nothing, and nothing will help us. Maybe we're lying (then you better not stay). But we could be safer, just for one day.'

[Le Messor]

Perhaps the strange ones in the dome can lend us an AF book. We can read alone.

[Mokole]

If AF were to get involved, or OF be another iteration, a meeting could go all, "we like dancing and we look divine. You love bands when they're playing hard. You want more, you want it fast?"

[Phil]

:-k
You're turning into spambots now guys...

[Le Messor]

Okay, I'll stop. :/

[Mokole]

We're done, thanks for the fun Le Messor anyway, it was time to bow out.

[Le Messor]

I think you won.

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An ok issue and as expected, basically Omega Flight is used as fodder and killed off. Though Agent Michaud was a nice addition....:(

[Le Messor]

I've now read the issue. It was... okay. At best.
I just never got any time to care about any of the characters, and they were all in that constantly efficient, militaristic, machines-not-people mode that I find so dull. With a little 'I'm gonna dump you in battle' humour that just doesn't make up for it, to me. (All the characters in the comics, not just Omega Flight, who had about two panels of air time. I didn't even know who some of the Avengers were).

~ Le Messor
Spike: I haven't heard any complaints. Well, I have heard a few complaints over the years, but then I just killed whoever spoke up, and that was pretty much that.
Buffy: He's joking.
Spike: No, I'm not.

[Flightpath07]

I've now read the issue. It was... okay. At best.
I just never got any time to care about any of the characters, and they were all in that constantly efficient, militaristic, machines-not-people mode that I find so dull. With a little 'I'm gonna dump you in battle' humour that just doesn't make up for it, to me. (All the characters in the comics, not just Omega Flight, who had about two panels of air time. I didn't even know who some of the Avengers were).

~ Le Messor
Spike: I haven't heard any complaints. Well, I have heard a few complaints over the years, but then I just killed whoever spoke up, and that was pretty much that.
Buffy: He's joking.
Spike: No, I'm not.

Even though i liked the addition of new Canadian heroes (well, I ASSUME they were Canadian; with Marvel, who knows?!?), i'd have to agree that the issue itself was flat and boring, confusing even. For somebody like me, who had not read the previous 9 issues, basically nothing in this issue made sense for me...I don't like that in a comic. I'm gonna stick with it a few more issues, just to see if the new (possibly dead, possibly not) Omega Flight pops up again, but then i'll drop it like the garbage it is. IMHO, it certainly lacks the entertainment and creativity of Uncanny Avengers, which has quite captivated me.

[Le Messor]

Uncanny Avengers, you say? I've not been reading it. How good is it? What's it like?

~ Le Messor
"K: (n., adj.) a binary thousand, which isn't a decimal thousand or even really a binary thousand (which is eight), but is the binary number closest to a decimal thousand. This has proven so completely confusing that is has become a standard."
~ Tonkin's First Computer Dictionary

[Flightpath07]

Uncanny Avengers

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Well, Red Skull is back. Actually, this is the REAL Red Skull, whose brain was hidden away in the 40's and (in Marvel-land) just woke up last week in a cloned body. With his old-time thinking, Skullie decides to launch a war between humans and mutants, and starts his process by messing with the brain of Avalanche and having him attack and kill human people. Then Skullie creates his own army of evil super-powered freaks. And, last but certainly not least, he steals Xavier's body from his tomb, and puts a portion of Xavier's brain into his own head, thereby making Red Skull the most powerful (and most evil) telepath on Earth.

Oh, and the Uncanny Avengers have lots of hatred and mistrust of each other.

A creepy but fun good read!

[Le Messor]

That tells me what I need to know. Thanks!

[Phil]

It's one of those books that people either really enjoy or hate; at least on the internet anyway.

I enjoy it, and it definitely has an 80's Avengers & X-Men vibe to me.

[Phil]

Even though i liked the addition of new Canadian heroes (well, I ASSUME they were Canadian; with Marvel, who knows?!?), i'd have to agree that the issue itself was flat and boring, confusing even. For somebody like me, who had not read the previous 9 issues, basically nothing in this issue made sense for me...I don't like that in a comic. I'm gonna stick with it a few more issues, just to see if the new (possibly dead, possibly not) Omega Flight pops up again, but then i'll drop it like the garbage it is. IMHO, it certainly lacks the entertainment and creativity of Uncanny Avengers, which has quite captivated me.

Omega Flight aren't in the next few issues.

I've followed this series since #1 and I'm loving it, and I've never enjoyed Avengers titles as a whole.
It's definitely got that big epic picture feel to it and I can see why it was confusing to people that hadn't read the previous issues.

[Le Messor]

It's definitely got that big epic picture feel to it and I can see why it was confusing to people that hadn't read the previous issues.

When they were re-evolving, and there was a male character with a 'T', and a female with the same symbol, then a horse-like thing with the same symbol again...
Was that one character, two, or three?
Who was it / who were they?

Thx.

~ LM
"Justice is incidental to law and order."
~ J. Edgar Hoover

[Phil]

That was three possible evolutions of the same character, as per the other panels.
The character was the new Imperial Guard Smasher (http://www.comicvine.com/smasher/4005-86443/)

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Smasher is a title that has been passed on to hundreds of different people. In the Imperial Guard if one dies, another takes his/her place

Case in point (not my scans)
1. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Imperial-Guard-05-pg-23_zps4068e048.jpg
2. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Imperial-Guard-05-pg-24_zps8ad96630.jpg

[Le Messor]

Not all the other panels showed only one person, which confused me (eg: the Wolverine one had that character he called 'Eden' in it).

I think I've seen Smasher in the Imperial Guard before.

~ Le Messor
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."
~ Mark Twain

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Validator appears in Avengers #14 for one panel

[Phil]

See http://alphaflight.net/content.php?732-Review-Avengers-10-(Volume-5)