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... but who (and name as many as you'd like) did you actually DISLIKE in Alpha Flight? Or what parts did you dislike of the character?
I am not talking story arcs or anything - I am talking specifically about the character. (Now if there was a specific story arc that changed a character for you and you disliked how they were handled, I suppose that's fair)!
So let's hear it? We can't possibly love ALL the characters that have been a part of ALPHA FLIGHT to some degree?
I disliked Mankind, Goblyn/Laura Dean, Wyre, Feedback, Stich, St.Elmo, Centenial, Major Maple Leaf II, and Yukon Jack.
I didn't like the way they used Nemises in the later part of the first series, or the 3rd series. I didn't like what they did to Wild Child and made him Weapon Omega, then Wild Heart, and then changed him back. I also didn't make Radius as being too cool for the room, but I guess that was just his personality and it could be forgiven.
Sasquatch. I'm sorry, guys, but the lines of consent in his and Aurora's relationship are entirely too blurry for me to feel comfortable with him as a character.
Heather, once Mantlo got a hold of her. :(
I've said this before, but I was not a big fan of Radius, Murmur, Manbot or Sasquatch II. Power-wise, Radius was too similar to Cecilia Reyes and Skids. Why use Murmur when Persuasion was available? Sasquatch II was a stretch for credibility, even for a comic. Manbot? There was nothing interesting about him. Even Ghost Girl wasn't original.
Ironically, 1 of the characters in that series, who we never even had a good glimpse of, probably had the most potential - that being Flinch.
Earthmover wasn't a big thrill for me either. Why bring in someone as a protege other than Talisman?
I think the whole original point was that they were all 'Legacies' ie; children of existing heroes that Dept. H had either collected or created through DNA manipulation, to add to the sinister shadowy agenda of Vol.2, hence Radius WAS Unus, Flex WAS Wolverine, Murmur WAS Persuasion, Ghost Girl WAS Shadowcat, Manbot WAS Bochs etc etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahab
But that has never been made canon, correct? And no one followed up on it. The only reason we know this is because of an interview, right? Now they are either dead or powerless, so they remain boring to me.
I did like Flex though - I liked the conflict of his power vs his personality. And he came before Mercury, so his power was somewhat original (though I think there was a character in Cyberforce around the same time that was sort of similar?)
Yeah, but your point was that they weren't original and why use Murmur over Persuasion. That was the writer's reasoning, whether it was canon or not.
It may appear to just be blatant ignorance, but it wasn't; it just fell flat and short.
I never said I liked the characters, just showing some slight defence.
Didn't like Radius, or Flex either. Goblyn was a definite YUCK. Much preferred Heather out of the battlesuit, and liked Puck much more when he was just a dwarf. I really enjoyed the emotional content between Puck and Heather, and wasn't a big fan of her hooking up with Jeffries. Manbot had potential, but was used poorly. In series three, I liked MM2, Puck 2, and definitely Yukon Jack, but the rest all sucked - well, Nemesis was alright, but she is better as a villain than as a hero. I actually preferred Murmur to Persuasion, which isn't to say that i actually disliked either.
Point taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
And boy, I couldn't agree with you more that it fell flat. :-D
It's always interesting to hear other's opinions on this board. I'm glad we all have very distinct likes and dislikes. It makes it so much more interesting.
I, for one, LOVED Goblyn. LOVED her. At least until Broderick started drawing her more human...that was awful...
My problom with Goblyn/ Laura Dean was, wouldn't Child Services had at least try and get her out from Alpha? How old was she 12? 10? and she's off battleing super villans. Even still why didn't anyone in Alpha say she's too young and not let her go on these dangerous missions? Clearly they had little or no sences of putting a very young child in harms way. The same could be said about Persusion, but at least she was 15 or 16 years old and was a couple years away from being an adult. I mean she could get her driver's licence. (Laura Dean Dean to could drive, if she was in Europe).
Not a fan of Wyre, Murmur, Sasquatch II, Major Maple Leaf, Centennial, Marrina. Maybe that's all.
Personally, I liked Wyre. Just not in an Alpha Flight comic, perhaps. He wasn't right for the feel of the book (such as it was at the time he showed up). It was like trying to force-feed an X-Men type character into an Alpha Flight book - didn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokole
Actually, the Aurora personality was in 100% control when the relationship began, so no consent issue with her. IIRC, Walt was never anything but a concerned comforter to Jeanne-Marie. It's possible I am forgetting a scene, but I don't think Walt ever had relations with Jeanne-Marie, only Aurora. When the personalities were briefly put into balance during the X0Men Alpha LS, the merged persona did not spurn Walt.Quote:
Originally Posted by suzene
I disliked Madison Jeffries after Mantlo changed him from a homely gruff to the ultimate handsome hero with all the solutions.
I also never liked the Wildheart characterization, While I liked Furman's overall direction of the series, I disliked most of the characters he created for it.
Box - Any version of Box. I have never cared for the character at all - as a member of Alpha Flight. When he was originally a member of Omega Flight, I liked him. Thought he made a good counter part to Sasquatch in a Alpha vs Omega kind of way. But to me, Box was a very bad attempt to replace Sasquatch as the strong man on the team.
Centennial - There isn't much I like about this volume that he appeared in. I thought he was a "funny" character (amusingly written) - I just don't think it fit for Alpha Flight. He would have been better in Great Lakes Avengers or a title along those lines.
Earthmover - Could there be a character I hated more in Alpha Flight history? No. I don't think that's even possible. My dislike of Earthmover is epic. Why was he created? Why would Shaman select him over Talisman? And he looked like an idiot. That certainly didn't help me in trying to like him any! I just never cared about this character, and would not have complained if he was among the dead when the Collective came to town.
Heather - I didn't mind Heather. Until she put the suit on. I thought that was a horrible idea. Of course, while Mac's death (in Alpha Flight #12) was an epic story, it was the beginning of an end for Alpha Flight, who was leaderless. And Heather taking over, was not a good idea. I love strong women! I do. They top some of my favorites (Namorita, Valkyrie, Mystique) - but Heather didn't seem to fit as the new Guardian/Vindicator.
Manbot - Just... what the hell?
Mankin - Interesting powers, hated the character.
I can't pass this thread up... ;)
...because Alpha Flight started wracking up a lot of characters that just don't make any sense:
Radius [can't eat without forcefield-nullifying thingy, so how does he go to the bathroom?], Flex, Murmur*/Persuasion, and my most hated character, considered by some Alphans themselves to be worthy and right for the team----LIONEL (Monster-making savior of the team) JEFFRIES.
* These guys wouldn't last twenty seconds against a well-written Great Beast; I keep going back to it, but the story itself confirms that the newbies couldn't even take down Mesmero...Mesmero! Couldn't bring myself to pick on volume 3 since I consider it an "imaginary story" and I like the artwork...but that group didn't deserve to call itself 'Alpha Flight', either. Don't hate them, though.
To be fair, I am not sure if Lionel/Scramble, was technically ever a part of any "team" of Alpha Flight (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Omega)... He was more of a (bad) story element.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Admittedly, I did dislike Aurora during this time, where she was all over Roger just because he had legs...
I don't blame Sasquatch for entering a romantic relationship with Aurora, but for continuing it once her mental illness surfaced. When the Jeanne-Marie personality was dominant in AF #3, she absolutely wanted nothing to do with him, going so far as to strike him and flee when he told her the nature of their relationship. But he was fine with cohabitating with Aurora when she came to him in AF #10 despite that, and they were still together 10+ issues later. Jeanne-Marie Beaubier is the base personality, and just because she wasn't in control of her body or aware of what was being done to it doesn't make it all right -- it's at the heart of what makes the whole thing so skeevy. And even aside from the sexual aspect of the relationship, agreeing to experiment on your mentally unstable, emotionally distraught girlfriend when you don't know what the full effects will be is dodgy enough on an ethical level, but Walt went one step beyond and didn't fully disclose what he assumed those effects would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by kozzi24
So yeah, no love for Walter from this fangirl.
Mac...I (like John Byrne) found him to be so booooorrrring (it also seems no writer knows what to do with him when they bring him back from the dead and he ends up being killed off again)...If you're going to keep him around, please make him interesting! I was never a fan of Manikin, Persuasion, Feedback or Goblyn (I'm indifferent to Laura Dean). I also didn't like Bill Mantlo's handling of Roger Bochs, the character was absolutely ruined during that time.
I didn't like Murmur, Flex, Manbot, Radius and Ghost Girl.
I also disliked Major Mapleleaf Sr and Jr and Puck II (mostly because she embodied way too much of every bad trend...Tattoooed, rave painted, belly-shirted, baggy pants, visible thong! Argh!)...Centennial was Superman as a senior citzen (I really didn't like Volume 3 as a whole). I've disliked pretty much every characterization of Nemesis after Mantlo had her turn to dust, she was never the same again. I'm not a fan of Earthmover either.
Dana
I understand where you're coming from, Suzene...But maybe Walter was in love with Aurora...Maybe that's why he couldn't break things off with her? As far for the experiment to alter Aurora's powers, Walter had selfish motives in doing the experiment, he wanted to drive a wedge between Aurora and Northstar...So he could have Aurora all to himself. Love sometimes makes us monsters.Quote:
Originally Posted by suzene
Dana
Perhaps, but what you're painting are two scenarios that are, at best, explanations, not excuses, and when the explanation is "He did it because he cared about his own happiness/libido/experiment more than he did his vulnerable lover's well-being" it's not making a case for why I should even like the character, let alone cut him any slack.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
You know, that's an interesting take on Aurora and Sasquatch's relationship...! But then... when she switched back and forth... one side wanted Walt, one side wanted nothing to do with him... So imagine, if you will, Suzene, if you were in a relationship with someone... and dated them for quite some time... and everything seemed normal... then one day on a date, another persona emerges, and says they want nothing to do with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by suzene
Do you break up? Because the person suffers from MPD - even though one side says they love you, and your love is everything they have dreamed of? Do you break up with them and break their heart, even though they have no memory of the other persona when it takes over - and thus don't recall them ever telling you?
Wow, its Tawmis. I havent seen you since you wrote fanfics.
Characters are disliked. Hmm???
Manikin, Wyre and Feedback. everyone else was fine to me
Everyone is forgetting the big thing about good old Walt. He was married.
What I would do is absolutely irrelevant to a discussion of Walter's character, so please don't derail. If what you mean to ask is what Walter possibly could have done in an admittedly difficult situation, there are more options than just breaking up, though even that's not necessarily a bad option, as there are worse things you can do to a person than walk away from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
The situation is that the woman Walter had been dating and was, at the least, very fond of, suddenly began acting wildly unlike herself in a moment of duress, acting as if he were attempting to rape her each time he made any overture of physical affection, but eventually snapped out of it, with variable, if any, memory of what happened. The first thing would be to get her some professional help. The second thing would be policing his own behavior, especially once he found out that the person he thought he knew was the splinter personality and not the original -- when consent is in doubt, you err on the side of caution; his sexual frustration should have taken a distant back seat to her well-being. He'd need to accept that if explaining why he was acting the way that he was put him in the doghouse with the person he thought he knew and loved, that he'd have to suck it up and hope things got better with time. And if he found himself unable to adjust to the new state of things and found that he couldn't cope, then yes, breaking up would be the responsible thing to do. Whatever relationship he thought he had with Aurora ended the moment he found out about Jeanne-Marie's existence, and pretending otherwise was simply selfish on his part.
Dana, it's difficult for me to agree with the GUARDIAN=BORING because in the first 12 issues, the stories dealt with numerous characters, not just one. There was really no character development for Mac because of the roster of other characters. Yes Puck had his own story for an ish, and the Marrina/Master story lasted a couple but the only spotlight on Guardian was his origin story. The potential for his character was never fully realized. He was obviously a brilliant engineer/designer but his development was cut short by issue 12. The same boring tag could be placed on Shaman as well... gee an Indian who is a Shaman...how original. But it is because we were allowed to see the angst brought out through the introduction of Elizabeth/Talisman that Shaman became a more interesting character.
The only reason I'm writing this is because somebody else already mentioned the "Radius and how he goes to the bathroom thing" before I did! As for my least favourite characters...ALL BUT BYRNE'S... except for the Box/Transformer, man, I really hated that one (loved the original).
DIGGER (unofficial spokesman for the James Hudson/Guardian is not boring party...and yes I'm sure he knows how to party too!){guardian}
Honestly, Snowbird, as originally written by Byrne, always seemed a useless character to me. She's a demi-god with flight, superhuman physical attributes, postcognitive abilities and mystical resistance, but her main power was to turn into albino versions of animals native only to the Canadian arctic. WTF? Really? And to make her even more useless, she risked losing herself in the animals mentality if she stayed in animal form too long. Plus, she couldn't transform between animals, having always to revert to her human shape first. And the final kicker, she couldn't cross the Canadian border without it being fatal to her.
It seemed nonsensical to give her the power to transform into a polar bear when she already was physically superior, and why turn into an owl when she could already fly? She didn't need to have the keen senses of a wolf to track someone down when she could simply look into the past and see where her quarry had gone. I figure, since she was supposed to be a champion for the Northern Gods, she should have been a warrior-god, naturally adept in all forms of combat and capable of going toe to toe with any physical or mystical menace. After all, what's the use of being able to turn into an arctic hare when facing one of the Great Beasts?
With that said, however, I liked FVL's take on her in the God Squad book during Secret Invasion. She was brave, tough, skilled and used her metamorphic abilities well. Hell, it was she who killed the big bad Skrull god even though Herc got all the credit. I think Snowbird is one of those characters begging to be revamped and reintroduced to the modern readers by having her godhood explored more in depth. And having just typed that I realize how dirty it sounds. ;)
That is deep. And true. And deserves it's own post.Quote:
Love sometimes makes us monsters.
As far as my take on the Sas-Aurora relationship...I think it all boils down to how Byrne felt about feeling forced into writing a series with characters he didn't want anything more to do with. We all talk about how the characters are all flawed...it think it is Byrne's hatred of them that made them so flawed, that made him write them that way. Their flaws made them human...but the more you dig into their motives for what they did, the more i start to think that these are not really the types of heroes I want anymore. They are not, after all, that heroic. Their morals are shown to be lacking, their decisions often horrible, the consequences drastic for those closest to them.
Considering all these things, is it any wonder that somebody without our innate love for Alpha Flight, would mock these characters and think them stupid failures?
I love Alpha Flight, I really do.
I'm just starting to think...maybe they should have stayed dead, for good...? Maybe we need heroes who are more...heroic, than they were?
I'm like Jesus. I resurrect and appear again like every couple thousand years. :-DQuote:
Originally Posted by mos_def
I had no intention of derailing. Thought you brought up an interesting point and was curious how you might react in a similar situation, to perhaps understand Walt's situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by suzene
I admittedly hated the Canadian Border thing... like a line drawn by MAN would dictate where a Demi-Goddess' powers should suddenly stop and prove nearly fatal to her? That part I disliked. But her transforming to owls, bears, etc, I actually liked. To me, this is a common thing you hear about Indian type deities, that they take the form of the wolf, the coyote, the eagle, etc. As for her human form, in an owl, she could perhaps gain the abilities of an owl that she didn't have as Snowbird (superior sight, hearing), and in bear form, she got the bear's strength, claws, etc. So the transforming made sense to me... just not the border limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
I can't help but wonder, when X-MEN sales were slacking back in the 60s and 70s, that they were forced to go to reprints, if they thought the same thing - that perhaps the X-MEN should just go away?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
Hell no. All it took was someone with some balls and some true writing talent (at the time) and an incredible artist - to take the X-MEN and reinvent them into the cash cows they are now. ALPHA FLIGHT could get some incredible treatment, if given some love. Even the newest series of THOR got that treatment - we got a THOR who was BEYOND powerful and was in no mood to take any crap from anyone. And they reinvented him, gave him an updated look, etc. And it all came together. I don't think giving up on ALPHA FLIGHT is the answer. We have some dynamic looking characters. We just need someone who knows what to do with them.
But consent wasn't in doubt, Aurora was entirely willing. MPD/DID is a tricky area, because while Aurora/Jeanne-Marie is technically one woman with a mental illness, for all practical purposes, they're two very different people and were treated as such by everyone around her. Walter entered into a relationship with the one and not the other, and I just can't fault him all that much for seeing it that way. It's not like he was forcing himself on Jeanne-Marie while she was the dominant personality, at least once he had a handle on what exactly was going on. That and the idea that neither personality should be allowed to date and fall in love because the other might disagree just doesn't sit well with me. Having to share a body with offshoots of your own mind is already a violation in and of itself, Jeanne-Marie's perspective on Walter's relationship with Aurora is, at worst, just an unfortunate part of that. Also, when she was cured of her illness in the X-Men/AF mini, she was still A-OK being in the relationship with him, which is pretty telling to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by suzene
I'll give you the part where he experimented on her, though, that was a pretty dick move. His entire origin story is that he did the exact same thing to himself, though, so I don't really hold it against him.
I know that many First Nations gods changed into animals, hell a lot of gods from all over the world did, but it never made sense to me that a god meant to be a champion for her pantheon had as her main power, ie: her main method of attack, the ability to transform into animals. As I said, in her human form she was far more powerful and didn't run the risk of going feral. If she had been simply a mortal Inuit with the mystical or mutant ability to change into animals with the limitations she had then I'd be okay with it, but she was meant to be a champion, a warrior sent by the other gods to fight their battle against their greatest foes. And when you look at how powerful the Great Beasts were you have to ask what was she supposed to do against them? "Oh no it's Tundra, I better transform into a polar bear and start clawing him now, 'cause I'm gonna be at it for awhile."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
She should have been more like Wonder Woman, a skilled warrior armed with some mystical weapons given to her by the gods designed to take advantage of the weaknesses of the Great Beasts. A bow that fired arrows that could burn or freeze an opponent; a spear that could summon storms or stir the seas; a shield that could deflect the mightiest blows and a club that could shatter glaciers or the Canadian Shield with one blow. Add to that a fur cloak whose mystical properties allow her to survive in any environment from the crushing depths of the ocean to the airless vacuum of space and she'd have been a kick ass hero.
Yes, Byrne only designed AF to be able to go up against the X-men, but that didn't mean he couldn't have fleshed out Snowbird later on. It was a missed opportunity IMO, and nothing has been done with her since, other than what FVL did, to improve her. Honestly, I'd love to see her revamped as a warrior-god and given a solo mini in which she has to destroy the Great Beasts once and for all, I think that would sell and it would be a new, empowered female-oriented title.
Digger, I have to disagree with you on Shaman. At first, I thought Michael Twoyoungmen was very boring...But he was later given a lot of back-story during Byrne's run in Volume 1 (separating himself from his tribe to become a doctor in the "white man's world", losing his wife to cancer, losing his daughter after his wife's death, then finally coming back to his roots. Michael became very multi-layered (he's not just a shaman, he's also a widower, a brilliant surgeon, a father, etc...), where Mac did not....We learned very, very little about Mac during Byrne's run. Who was Mac's family (did he have parents, siblings, etc...)? What formed his life and how did he choose to become a scientist/engineer? Why does he not want to wear the battlesuit and be the hero (he's always tried to put somebody else as leader of Alpha)? Later writers tried to add unnecessary darkness to Mac , I guess in an effort to make him more interesting (like Mantlo indicating Mac was partly responsible for Logan being kidnapped by the Weapon X program and being responsible for the creation of Bedlam), while other writers tried to undo that darkness. He's been written horrible inconsistent with each appearance.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIGGER
Dana
See...To me, all of those things don't make her useless, they make her more interesting to read about. Placing limitations on a character can make them far more interesting than a character that has the power of a million exploding suns. I found Snowbird very interesting in that she was a demigod, but she began to long to be human...Even though her godly family forbade it...I found that all interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
Some of her abilities as an animal would increase her ability to be stealthy, her ability to take on the form of a Great Beast may be dangerous, but it allowed her to take them on as an equal. Her strength as a polar bear is far more than a mere actual polar bear's strength. The ability to become an animal also gives her the ability to blend in/to hide in plain sight. Being able to transform into an animal would have plenty of uses, perhaps even beyond those we can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
Dana
See, I enjoyed that she was not some uber powerful demi goddess... If she was, why would she need to be a part of Alpha Flight? There is technically no reason for THOR to be on the Avengers. He certainly doesn't need their help. I think giving her limitations makes it so that she's a little more human... (and correct me if I am wrong - she is technically partially human?)... so for me, I enjoyed her being slightly flawed... and not being an over the top kick arse, take everyone down, don't need anyone's help type of hero. Snowbird has showed that she can be vicious and take care of things herself, when needed. And for being their champion, it never said that their champion would do things alone. I think the idea might have been to gather others like her, with powers, to help defend Canada. That said, I could see Snowbird moving to a more assertive, and more aggressive (as in leadership) role. THAT to me would be a natural step for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
So...more like Yukon Jack? Cuz, that is basically him in a nutshell. As I have OFTEN said about YJ, underused character who should be used more. Very powerful, very disdainful, very godly. Very cool!Quote:
She should have been more like Wonder Woman, a skilled warrior armed with some mystical weapons given to her by the gods designed to take advantage of the weaknesses of the Great Beasts.
I concur. I actually liked Yukon Jack. Could have gone with a better name... but still liked the character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
I love limitations and flaws in a hero too, but they have to make sense. Snowbird's don't. And again, her physical abilities as an animal are either equal to or less than her abilities in human form so not much point to being able to shapeshift. She's supposed to be a demi-god, but most superhumans she would encounter wouldn't be threatened by even her polar bear form. She doesn't have to be uber powerful like they've made Thor and Hercules, but she should be far above the average superhuman and in the range of the more powerful ones. That's why I used the comparison of Wonder Woman; a powerful warrior who augments her abilities with mystical weapons. Being able to blend in or be stealthy wouldn't help her against the Great Beasts who can sense her divine power and they are the enemy she was created to fight. So what advantage does it provide when fulfilling her principle duty? None.
Yes, she is partially human, but then so is Hercules, and he has done numerous acts of godly immensity even before he got the Skyfather powers. Why is it such a sin for Snowbird (or any Alphan for that matter) to be powerful? Isn't that what she was born to be? How is she expected to be able to fight the Great Beasts with only the ability to change into a handful of animals? If she is meant to stop Tundra then she should either have the appropriate powers or the appropriate weapons to do so. Maybe it's just me, but I expect some in-book logic if I'm going to like a character.
Creative writing will work wonders. Look at the trouble STORM had with SNOWBIRD in UNCANNY X-MEN #121. I have re-read that issue a bazillion times (it ranks as one of my favorites of all time in X-Men history). I think it just takes a good writer to make a character interesting and make it seem like even the simplest of powers could still work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
Well, Herc never did much but smash things. Herc was pretty much a ball of super strength and endurability. He wasn't shooting lightning from his fingers or anything. So other than lifting heavy things and taking some serious beatings, off hand I can't recall anything spectacular that Herc did. Where as we have seen Snowbird with an assortment of powers; from shape shifting, to preocog powers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
As for logic in comics, that fails from the start. :-) Because the real question is why would Gods need to have an affair with a human to spawn a half-goddess? Why couldn't said Gods just CREATE a being made of magical properties and just have at it? Why would gods need help fighting the Great Beasts?
Real quick I want to point out - that I respect everyone's dislike of various characters! I knew that various characters would be listed that someone else was sure to like, and would defend said character, and make for some good convo! Which I think this thread has! :)
True, but what's even better is a logical groundwork on which to build a character. After that creative writing is not only easier, it has more directions in which to go. Snowbird could have been a deeper, richer character than she is, and building on her beginnings as they are won't take you very far. Creative writing is good, but it can be stretched too thin when you don't have a lot to work with which leads to readers saying things like: "Character X has never been able to do that before," or "But Character Y's origin says she can only activate her powers under stress," or any other number of complaints they come up with when a writer has a character do something they normally can't. For some of us it invalidates the story, because pulling a deus ex machina after putting a character into a no win situation is poor writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
That's what I'm referring to. Herc has done amazing feats of battle and strength (which is exactly what his skill set is as a god) compare that to "turns into a rabbit" and tell me which is more impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
No, logic doesn't automatically fail in comics. Every type of genre, no matter how mundane or magical, has ground rules or in-story logic on which the writer bases the story. They are guidelines in which the readers expect the writer to work and once they are set down anything outside of them has broken the in-story logic. We accept that superheroes exist in the MU, and we accept that they can do impossible things, but we also expect the writers to stay within the known powers and abilities of the characters otherwise the story fails. We accept Snowbird is a demi-god, and we accept she has been created to fight the Great Beasts, we can even accept the idea she is expected to do it with the powers she has, but if she were to win every battle she has with one of them based on her existing power set... well, that I can't accept. To simply say "she's magical now have at it" would fail the logic Byrne set down in Snowbird's origins, which was: the gods needed to have an affair with a human to spawn a half-goddess. Besides, then you'd be saying she's too powerful. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis