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Ah, I thought you were talkin' about stuff that came out this week. I read most of the CW:Files stuff and know what your talkin' about. And I'll be picking up the book with the story about U.S. Agent.Quote:
Originally Posted by varo
And yes, if Thor at some point doesn't switch to Captain America's side, I'd love to see Thor get his butt handed to him by someone. And Beta Ray Bill is one of the few that could do it.
Pfffft. Beta Ray Bill. But yeah, he managed to beat Thor (pfffffffffftttt) even without the power he now has.
Anyway, I understand Thor's desire for forthright honesty in the doing of deeds, upholding the law, and protecting the underdog -- all completely in keeping with his role in the myth and culture that spawned Marvel Thor -- but Thor as a government lackey?! And the lackey of a state that *forces* all registered superhumans into it's service; regardless of any and everything thing. Not likely.
In fact I was just down at the comicship, and the guy working there said that he suspects the symbolism of Thor smashing Cap's shield is Thor switching sides and taking up arms against SHIELD. He also pointed out the surprised look on Mr.Fantastics face in the promo art.
Hmmm. Interesting theory.
I can't believe I just sat and read over a weeks worth of comments... I need a beer... 8)
Just the one ?
You only ever need the first one... the rest you just want.
I still think the lineup will include Hudson and Elizabeth. US Agent (Walker), Arachne (Carpenter), and obviously Beta Ray Bill. The lineup looks solid and should be able to take down anyone. I'm hoping we get more news in a few weeks.
No reason my ideas won't be right. Who knows, maybe I'm right about when OF shows up in Civil War, too. :wink:
Yeah this team is pretty darn uber, I'm glad their not taking on people like Mole Man they deserve to take on mystical creatures
If your line-up is correct, it's not a bad one at all. They definetly could handle many different threats. I hope your right Mokole, about Mac and Elizabeth. :D
It occurs to me we should spell 'OF' in capitals. Or, it's just 'of'. 'Something tells me of the new series...' :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by varo
Other than Oeming saying he sees only one Canadian in a picture with both of them in it? That's a pretty big reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokole
I know some people want to think he means he only sees one maple leaf; but that'd be pretty deceptive of him if he did. I'd lose respect.
- Le Messor
"An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
I hate to be the bearer of doom and gloom...
But how sure are we all that that's Talisman's tiara? I see glowing eyes and a glowing headband of some kind.
Granted, the figure on the left of the picture is also one with a "northern" feel to her getup, but the only definite clues we have? She has a pouch (which can presumably be Shaman's, or one like it), she has a glowing tiara-thingy, a similar glow off of her hands, and she dresses to impress.
I wouldn;t call those sufficient clues to ID her as Talisman.
I just hope it's not a case of it is Talisman, but not Elizabeth. She is the one prophesied to be Talisman in this age, and (the one story way back when not withstanding) she isn't supposed to be able to remove the tiara.Quote:
Originally Posted by Transmetropolitan
...but optimistically ambivalent. My skepticism comes from seeing the comic book industry throw some wicked curveballs to keep things from becoming too predictable (by fans) and to keep (fans) guessing.
And truth be told, the way Omega Flight is being picked apart five months (at least) before it's due out, it wouldn't be far-fetched for something goofy/unwanted to make it into the new series.
To me, as Omega Flight is said to be stemming out of CIVIL WAR, a follow-up to "The Collective" seems in order. I think the Zorn/Xorn should have made permanent new enemies by offing most of Alpha Flight, and if the best anybody can do for Sasquatch is put him in a dress and have him beat up girls, I'd much rather have Beta Ray Bill as the powerhouse of the new group.
:lol: Now that is funny!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahab
Del, we may be brothers... me mummy always said the same! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Hrm. I love BRB and I love Thor. But I do not want to see BRB knock some sense into THOR. I'd rather not see Thor get his arse whooped just yet as they plan on launching a series - and a nice way to do that is show how much of a bad ass he is. :D (Although I am pretty sure this Thor is actually Dargo....)Quote:
Originally Posted by varo
What promo art is this?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Powersurge
Also - like I said, I don't think this is the THOR we all know (and should!) love... I believe it's actually Dargo. There have been hints about it - but the big clue comes from the solicitation for the Marvel Universe Handbook - it lists "Thor (Dargo)" but not the regular Thor...
I am still holding to the theory that it's not Talisman (as in Elizabeth) - but it's Snowbird with all three (her own powers, Talisman and Shaman's pouch)... can we say insanely uber? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Transmetropolitan
It's a picture of Thor shattering Cap's shield, with a number of heroes in the background to Thor's right. The shattered shield is in the upper corner to Thor's left.
You must have seen it. It's been circulating for awhile now.
Hmmm, Dargo, eh? That teenager from the future. Hmmmm.
Nope... have not seen the picture yet! Gah!Quote:
Originally Posted by Powersurge
And yeah - Dargo seems to be who this Thor is... or so we're speculating (I am on a Thor Fan list...)
who's dargo?
btw, ms. marvel #7 is a very good issue to jump on and not only to catch up on a potential OF member, but to check out a pretty well-written series.
Dargo
Haven't read Ms Marvel #7 as I haven't been to pick it up. I only came on board with #6 cos of Spider Woman. Plus I'm having difficulty as Carol Danvers is one of my fave characters, espescially as Binary and as I am anti SHR I don't like how she's being protrayed. :twisted:
Just as a reminder as everyone is pretty good about this, can we remember the **SPOILER WHITE OUT** for any info on recent books. 8)
Yeah Ms. Marvel is a great new series. Issue #7 was great as well. Ms. Marvel is one of my favorite characters and I too was a bit upset that she joined Iron Man's side. :evil: But I wasn't really surprised. Oh well, maybe she'll defect to Cap's side. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Dargo's profile: http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/thordargoktor.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by varo
And as for Ms. Marvel - aside from Astonishing X-Men, it is currently the BEST series at Marvel... in art and story.
I see a glowing, roughly heart-shaped but angular red jewel surrounded by gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Transmetropolitan
I read bits about Oeming saying she's the one with the greatest ties to Alpha Flight (which is part of why I don't believe that's Mac in the Guardian suit).
These two together tell me that's probably Talisman.
- Le Messor
"Don't think twice, it's all right."
- Bob Dylan
See, and this is why I think it's Snowbird. While Talisman has ties to Alpha Flight... I never really considered her to be a member... and Snowbird - she just seems like... I dunno. Maybe because I think it being Elizabeth seems like to EASY of answer. (Although extremely logical - I mean, she is Talisman, and it makes sense that she'd take her father's pouch)... but I just can't shake that Snowbird theory (that I apparently, alone, have) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
Sounds like a win-win choice to me. The tiara seems destined to be worn by Elizabeth. But Elizabeth doesn't like her dad that much. Snowbird is basically Shaman's surrogate daughter, and Alpha Flight were her friends.
But she doesn't seem to be the one destined to wear the tiara.
Either one is good for me, but I think this is going to be one of the characters that is going to be one of those wicked curveballs.
:) Shrugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
I haven't decided yet. I think Elizabeth, but I'm definitely open to the Snowbird theory.
Note, however, that she has that hanging panel Elizabeth wore. (Sorry, I can't describe it better than that without entering the realm of unintentional double-entendre.)
- Le Messor
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come."
- Victor Hugo
And as one person pointed out, there's no head dress on the pic that Snowbird always has in humanoid form. It's Twoyoungmen. If there's any curveballs on the lineup in the pic, it'd be spiderwoman to me. No way there's anything to worry about with Talisman and Guardian.
BTW, just read this at comix-fan:
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Originally Posted by Scratchy
Are you editing, or CB Cebulski? Alonso?
Originally Posted by Tom Brevoort
Andy Schmidt.
Tom B
Now wouldn't you think wearing the Talisman headband AND Snowbird's own traditional headband be a bit... eh, overkill? :) I think to wear the Talisman headband, she'd give up her own. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mokole
I'm on the Twoyoungmen side. I doubt that Oeming would want to over convolute things to begin with, plus that pic of Shaman and Talisman that he posted elsewhere has Elizabeth in a coat very similar to the shadowed figure.
As an aside, just read Ms Marvel #7. I know that in 'Civil War #4' somebody high profile is suppose to buy the farm. So joining dots :
**POSSIBLE SPOILERS MIXED WITH OVER THE TOP SPECULATION**
Julia is on the run from a couple of heavy hitters. Why introduce her going to get her daughter at all, it could have been written that she had her daughter closer and she goes straight to Canada. Jessica Drew has just joined up with Caps crew. So of the top of my head, Julia dies, Jessica is in the pic :-). Nothing like the death of a mother in front of her daughter to tug at the heart strings. :cry:
Possible Spoliers and more speculation:Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
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I have no spoilers, just thoughts. They aren't putting any new characters into Flight, just former-non-Flight characters will be joining. Like Puck and Heather, then Nemesis and Sasquatch, the team will be built around two Alpha Flighters, in this case Mac and Talisman. Unlike the last two times Flight will have three known characters in the side, not three new people or people in new roles, hence Arachne (most likely), US Agent, and Beta Ray Bill.
So at least two established Alphaverse characters with three known quantities.
But if there is a sixth actual team member, which Flighter will it be? Who makes sense given what Oeming has for a team now? Persuasion? Box? Puck? Heather and Sasquatch make so sense given the current lineup (and could be dead anyway) and I feel they'll have Shaman dead, with Zuzha and MML. Puck seems to be a possibility. But it could really be just those 5, as Cebulski said the team was set.
Andy Schmidt edits non-Avengers non-Spider-Man, non-X-Men books like Annhilation and Runaways, I think. With him as editor this would put Omega Flight outside of the Avengers and X-Men Universe, which is good. Not tied to either means they can deal with any threat. :D
I tend to agree with Mokole's roster pics. If a new person is added I agree that it will be another Alpha flight person. Would it be a guy or woman from the early years? Then maybe Snowbird, since she's not in the pic then.
Fun finding out, eh?
*sigh* One more time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokole
Oeming has looked at a picture with both 'Talisman' and 'Guardian' (in quotes, because only he knows who they are), and seen only one Canadian.
He has also been quoted as 'she has the strongest ties to Alpha Flight'.
The second part alone means he can't be Mac. The first implies he's not even Canadian.
If that is Mac and Elizabeth, Oeming has been severely dishonest. I have no reason to assume he's dishonest.
I plan not to say this again.
- Le Messor
"An ounce of example is worth a pound of theory."
One would assume that there is a difference between being dishonest and being ambiguous?Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
Yes. But the statements weren't ambiguous. One Canadian. One with the most connections with Alpha Flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
There is, of course, another possibility: they changed their minds. That, in the picture on the banner I'm looking at, it wasn't both Mac and Liz at the time of drawing, but now it is. (I don't have any reason to think that, though.)
If it is both of them, I'm gonna be kinda upset.
But also kinda pleased. :?
Can't you guys just say Oeming got creative? Maybe the 'Mac' isn't from Earth. Or 616. Or...
- Le Messor
"An unmarried man is incomplete; a married man is finished."
Or maybe another Clone Mac, would Dept H have only made one Mac during that Prometheus program ? :lol: :? :wink:
:) Ah, but still technically Canadian.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
- Le Messor
"Japanese aren't statistically serial killers."
"What about Godzilla?"
"Not technically Japanese. He was born in international waters."
- Shriek if you Know What I did Last Friday the 13th
Okay, so it's probably not going to be Mac, just re-read the interview from SBC and I quote :-
MAO: Well, I can’t give that away yet. I will say that only one team member who has previously been in Flight will be on the team, but we will be seeing the return of at least one of the members killed in the New Avengers. But with flashbacks and such, we’ll also get a glimpse of the team in its glory from time to time.
So if that's Talisman, then that can't be Mac and here we go again :-)
'zackly.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Also, note my reemphasising:
One team member on the team; somebody who 'died' returns. The returner doesn't (according to the above) have to be on the team.
- Le Messor
"Anarchy may not be the best form of government, but it's better than no government at all."
isn't elizabeth native american?
seems like a loophole to me.
I figure the same as Del, that the reference to New Avengers is to Mac, he "sees" only one Canadian so "sees" only Mac, and thus Talisman is there but isn't obviously Canadian (no flag) and didn't die in New Avengers, and a previous Flight associate is there, so that's Talisman.
Seeing and knowing are two different things. After all, people speculate that Talisman isn't Elizabeth but Snowbird, who isn't Canadian.
I still see Mac and Elizabeth in what he says.
So if Talisman is indeed Elizabeth, and I'm hoping she is, since she is the one destined to bear that responsibility, then who could Guardian be? If it's not an old member of Alpha Flight or a Canadian, as Liz is both, who does that leave? A Mac clone could be an easy answer, and I'd argue that a clone has no nationality, as most nations consider only those "born" within their border, an offspring of a citizen, someone married to another citizen, or one who is naturalized to be a citizen. A clone wouldn't fit any of those rules. I'm personally hoping this isn't the case. I'd rather have cyborg Mac come back later if he's gonna be a part of the story. It could be a nonhuman, like the original Human Torch. Who's to say they couldn't take the technology that much farther. Personally that would suck in my opinion. Who'd want a robot as the icon for their country? Of course if you don't know it's not a man I guess it doesn't hurt. If it were Tony Stark it would be intriguing, but I don't think the Canadians out there would like it much. Same goes for Clint Barton. I'm not sure who I'd like Guardian to be, but I have a feeling it isn't the real Mac. They may even have us believe it is him for awhile and let us find out later our assumptions were all wrong. At any rate I intend to find out.
Methinks Marvel is getting exactly what they want out of the intelligence they're releasing. Plenty to speculated and discuss. Plenty to spin excitement and/or disdain. In short people are talking about the new title and I'm sure Marvel couldn't be happier.
I doubt it's Sasquatch who's coming back but he could return at any time. His body is an amalgam of Great Beast/Northern God. In addition, Langkowski might be dead but Tanaraq surely isn't. Also, I seem to recall Sasquatch digging out of the grave way nack in volume 1.