Crackity Jones' Discovery Of Alpha Flight

WAT?
FP, you are breaking my heart!!!
How can you say such awful things about my Goblyn??
She is the ONLY AF Mantlo creation that I adore.
Does something bad happen that I haven't read yet??

Something bad pertaining to Goblyn or something she does.
Sorry, I should have specified.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I want a GOBLYN ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am glad that you...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

No, no, NO.
I want a Goblyn STATUE.
Rightnow.

... Uh, right. As I was saying, I am glad that you...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

How can you say such awful things about my Goblyn??
She is the ONLY AF Mantlo creation that I adore.
Does something bad happen that I haven't read yet??

Ahem! IAmGladThatYouLikeHer!

Phew. Thought you were going to keep interrupting me.

I think the concept of Goblyn/Pathway was very good.
Not sure where in Mantlo's run her origin is so I won't mention it but it was definitely a decent, original idea.

The execution however didn't really play off. They were never utilized very well, by Mantlo or subsequent writers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

And Goblyn, guys. GOBLYN. How can you forget the amazing, awesome, CRAZAY Goblyn??

(I was thinking Back to Byrne's group. Then DreamQueen snuck up on me.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I am going to guess their early stuff is not on those? You really should have a listen to their self-titled album. Specifically: "The Wizard" and "One Inch Rock". Unless they are on your best-ofs? I wouldn't think so, but maybe "The Wizard" is.

I don't have either of those. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Le Messor!
That "How the Heart Behaves" song is MESSED UP. :sad:
So sad.

Kind of glad I didn't find From The Head To The Heart, then!
This one has a couple of lyrics that appeal to me as a Christian:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TCy9icPURg
But mostly has their usual sense of humour.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Oh, and Nick Cave. If Nick Cave could just sing "Hallelujah" to me, I could die happy.

The only Leonard Cohen songs I have him singing are Tower Of Song, Avalanche, Suzanne, and I'm Your Man.
Unfortunately not Hallelujah. I like the John Cale version of that the best - that's the one you hear in West Wing and Shrek (movie, not album) and Scrubs (I think Scrubs, but I could easily be wrong about that one).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flightpath07

Nope, too late; your thread, all 'bout you.

Yep!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flightpath07

Weird Al Yankovic, some of his songs. Some are silly, some are silly-dark.

... and now I'm singing The Night Santa Went Crazy to myself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Does something bad happen that I haven't read yet??

Not that I remember.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil

I think the concept of Goblyn/Pathway was very good.
Not sure where in Mantlo's run her origin is so I won't mention it but it was definitely a decent, original idea.

Agreed.

~ Le Messor
Morticia: My baby is sick and my husband is dying. Oh Mama, What shall I do?
Grandma: Well, you have a black dress.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

... and now I'm singing The Night Santa Went Crazy to myself.

Precisely the first Weird Al song that came to mind!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawmis

Ahem! IAmGladThatYouLikeHer!

Phew. Thought you were going to keep interrupting me.

I am TOO EXCITED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil

I think the concept of Goblyn/Pathway was very good.
Not sure where in Mantlo's run her origin is so I won't mention it but it was definitely a decent, original idea.

The execution however didn't really play off. They were never utilized very well, by Mantlo or subsequent writers.

She's the best thing so far about Mantlo's run, imo. She's the ONLY character that I wish could be part of the original line up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

(I was thinking Back to Byrne's group. Then DreamQueen snuck up on me.)

I like Goblyn better than DreamQueen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

I don't have either of those. :sad:

The Wizard (it's a long song, but if you have time, it's worth it. Fun song):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfSSmy8B5GA

One Inch Rock (super fun song, imo):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYHWMcLd3uw

What I love about their earlier stuff is Marc's ability to mix in that hippy-dippy-fantasy stuff with bee-bop fun rock and actual rock music. His voice tied it all together for me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Kind of glad I didn't find From The Head To The Heart, then!
This one has a couple of lyrics that appeal to me as a Christian:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TCy9icPURg
But mostly has their usual sense of humour.

I will listen to this in a minute. Crazay holiday!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

The only Leonard Cohen songs I have him singing are Tower Of Song, Avalanche, Suzanne, and I'm Your Man.
Unfortunately not Hallelujah. I like the John Cale version of that the best - that's the one you hear in West Wing and Shrek (movie, not album) and Scrubs (I think Scrubs, but I could easily be wrong about that one).

This is Nick Cave's "Hallelujah", but yeah, Leonard's is legend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvQfMFTa_2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Kind of glad I didn't find From The Head To The Heart, then!
This one has a couple of lyrics that appeal to me as a Christian:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TCy9icPURg
But mostly has their usual sense of humour.

Wow. These guys were way ahead of their time.
I cannot believe that is from 1983!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Wow. These guys were way ahead of their time.

:) There's an irony to you saying that about this particular song. When they originally recorded it, they hired some random woman to do backing vocals.
Later on, she became Madonna.

(I'm not sure, but I don't believe her recording of it exists.)

~ Le Messor
"You can't rewrite the Bible,
You can't sue Buddha for libel."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I like Goblyn better than DreamQueen.

I like DreamQueen as a villain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

The Wizard (it's a long song, but if you have time, it's worth it. Fun song):

That was trippy!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

One Inch Rock (super fun song, imo):

Yep, fun! :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

What I love about their earlier stuff is Marc's ability to mix in that hippy-dippy-fantasy stuff with bee-bop fun rock and actual rock music.

I love that.
Maybe I should link you to the Eagles's Journy Of The Sorcerer sometime. It's instrumental, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

This is Nick Cave's "Hallelujah", but yeah, Leonard's is legend.

Oooh... You mean the Nick Cave's Hallelujah that's actually one of his own songs and that's on one of my favourite Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds albums... Oh.
:oops:

~ Le Messor
"My heart's a virgin, it ain't never been tried, 'coz, you know, I never cry."
~ Alice Cooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

I like DreamQueen as a villain.

I probably shouldn't say I LOVE Goblyn MORE than DreamQueen because if you said she's used more during Hudnall's run, then I haven't read enough of her yet. But I really do love Goblyn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

That was trippy!

It's fantastic. There are only about 3 musicians whose vocals are such that they get a pass for every weird noise they sing. Marc Bolan is one of them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Yep, fun! :smile:

Definitely my most favorite T.Rex song ever. So is "The Wizard", but for short songs, this one is my fave.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

I love that.
Maybe I should link you to the Eagles's Journy Of The Sorcerer sometime. It's instrumental, though.

I can easily love instrumentals. They don't even have to be epic in length or difficulty with instrumentation. It just has to tell a story.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Oooh... You mean the Nick Cave's Hallelujah that's actually one of his own songs and that's on one of my favourite Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds albums... Oh.
:oops:

~ Le Messor
"My heart's a virgin, it ain't never been tried, 'coz, you know, I never cry."
~ Alice Cooper

Yep, that is the one! :D
I, too, love that album. The first Nick Cave album I ever heard was "Murder Ballads". I know it's not his favorite, but that album is genius.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

:) There's an irony to you saying that about this particular song. When they originally recorded it, they hired some random woman to do backing vocals.
Later on, she became Madonna.

(I'm not sure, but I don't believe her recording of it exists.)

~ Le Messor
"You can't rewrite the Bible,
You can't sue Buddha for libel."

Back in the day, Ramones were doing an open-air concert in New York City, and some woman opened up for them doing pop songs. The record label exec (who had recently put Ramones on his label) came up to the Ramones, all excited, said what do you think of this girl, i just signed her and this is her first ever performance. They said, "Nah...I don't think she'll have a very long career, sorry." That girl was Madonna.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I probably shouldn't say I LOVE Goblyn MORE than DreamQueen because if you said she's used more during Hudnall's run, then I haven't read enough of her yet. But I really do love Goblyn.

Goblyn IS a great character.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

It's fantastic. There are only about 3 musicians whose vocals are such that they get a pass for every weird noise they sing. Marc Bolan is one of them.

Who are the other two?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I can easily love instrumentals. They don't even have to be epic in length or difficulty with instrumentation. It just has to tell a story.

I mention that because we were specifically talking about vocals more than as a warning.
Here it is; it may sound VERY familiar to some listeners. Or may not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbhAf62wfgE

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

The first Nick Cave album I ever heard was "Murder Ballads". I know it's not his favorite, but that album is genius.

Wow! Me, too!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flightpath07

Back in the day, Ramones were doing an open-air concert in New York City, and some woman opened up for them doing pop songs. The record label exec (who had recently put Ramones on his label) came up to the Ramones, all excited, said what do you think of this girl, i just signed her and this is her first ever performance. They said, "Nah...I don't think she'll have a very long career, sorry." That girl was Madonna.

I hadn't heard that story! I can imagine the Ramones not liking Madonna; they're such different musical styles.
(Really? Her opening for them? That's just wayyy off!)

~ Le Messor
"My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, and a communist, but he is not a porn star."
~ Grandpa Simpson

Dreams and nightmares

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

...

~ Mik
"I've felt a great disturbance in The Force..."
~ Obi-Wan Kenobi

Although not Alpha or comic-related, but something just doesn't seem quite right...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Garry is my Gripe Friend. We're like two old souls that b!tch and reb!tch about The Mantlo Times. We need each other to fuel the other.

But I can't go overboard (and # 29 through # 66 take me to the edge, sometimes), because I don't want to get banned. Don't have much else going on, right now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

I like DreamQueen as a villain.

Me, too.

The thing about Goblyn, for me, is she ends up looking like the way she does but her father is the true monster, jeopardizing his wife and his children because of his hatred of mutants. I'll go home and check the exact issue, but Goblyn slices through Vindicator's force-shield? C'mon! Even Wolverine's adamantium claws couldn't do that (to Mac's original super-suit). [# 54, p. 11 - Vindicator actually let Laura inside the force-field, then Goblyn switched places with Laura and attacked. :oops:]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan

But I can't go overboard (and # 29 through # 66 take me to the edge, sometimes), because I don't want to get banned.

Garry, I honestly can't see me ever having to ban you.
Vent as much as you want, without profanity and slurs, and you'll be fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Goblyn IS a great character.

I love her even though Garry just tried to ruin her for me. :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Who are the other two?

David Byrne and Sufjan Stevens

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

I mention that because we were specifically talking about vocals more than as a warning.
Here it is; it may sound VERY familiar to some listeners. Or may not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbhAf62wfgE

I will have to listen to that in a bit. After I reply to this, I am going to bed. :( I feel awful.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Wow! Me, too!

So odd how psychotic that album is and it made me fall in love with his music.
I had a gecko named Professor Orye and a tortoise named Stagger Lee.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

~ Le Messor
"My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, and a communist, but he is not a porn star."
~ Grandpa Simpson

Bahahahahahahaha!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I love her even though Garry just tried to ruin her for me. :P

Garry is trying to get banned. :P
Like I said, I named my cat after her! (Though he was a boy.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

David Byrne and Sufjan Stevens

I'm not familiar with Sufjan Stevens.
I know (of) Cat Stevens, but that may not be the same thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I will have to listen to that in a bit. After I reply to this, I am going to bed. :( I feel awful.

:( Sorry to hear that.
Do you know what it is?

~ Le Messor
David Byrne: I also wrestled under the name 'El Diablo'.
Lenny: Wasn't that Philip Glass?
David Byrne: Yeah, he wishes.
~ The Simpsons

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan

I'll go home and check the exact issue, but Goblyn slices through Vindicator's force-shield? C'mon! Even Wolverine's adamantium claws couldn't do that (to Mac's original super-suit).

Well, Goblyn isn't exactly 100% of this (Earth) world, if I am remembering correctly, so there may be a touch of supernatural to her claws that allow her to do what Wolverine can't.

And seriously, you should be glad that there's a character out there who CAN do something that Wolverine can't!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawmis

Well, Goblyn isn't exactly 100% of this (Earth) world, if I am remembering correctly, so there may be a touch of supernatural to her claws that allow her to do what Wolverine can't.

Okay, Crackity, if you're reading about DreamQueen, you probably know Goblyn's full origin by now, so...
She was conceived in this world, but raised in Liveworld. To me, that makes her OF this world, even if she IS connected to another. Her powers stem from being a mutant, not something to do with Liveworld.

But magic's involved, and that throws another monkey in the wrenchworks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawmis

And seriously, you should be glad that there's a character out there who CAN do something that Wolverine can't!

Lol! So true!

~ Le Messor
"The railroad may be coming through any day now. Should bring a lot of business in. The streets will be paved with... street."
~ Cabin In The Woods

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Garry is trying to get banned. :P
Like I said, I named my cat after her! (Though he was a boy.)

Garry is too awesome to be banned. His efforts are for nothing. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

I'm not familiar with Sufjan Stevens.
I know (of) Cat Stevens, but that may not be the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufjan_Stevens
Not to be generic, but it's impossible for me to pick a song of his that would give you a good listen and idea of what his stuff is like. I have too many favorites.
I prefer his folkier/banjo/multi-instrumentation songs vs. his electronica stuff. In fact, his only album that I don't own is "Enjoy Your Rabbit" because I don't much care for electronica instrumentals.
Okay, I lied a little. This song has been on repeat the most in my head for a few weeks now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCb9jxqQYME
But mostly because it reminds me of being a kid, and how adult situations can be soooooo much bigger and more seemingly life threatening when you're a child.
Like the big old house in the neighborhood that suddenly becomes haunted by every scary creature imaginable. When really it's not. It's just a big house that isn't kept up and the realtor cannot sell, so city codes are broken and the lawn is overgrown and the house needs to be painted.
Something like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

:sad: Sorry to hear that.
Do you know what it is?

Do I know what your link is? I haven't listened yet. I will.
Or do I know what is making me feel awful?
My sinuses. It's either my sinuses or a summer cold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

~ Le Messor
David Byrne: I also wrestled under the name 'El Diablo'.
Lenny: Wasn't that Philip Glass?
David Byrne: Yeah, he wishes.
~ The Simpsons

<3!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Garry is too awesome to be banned. His efforts are for nothing. :D

Sorry, Garry; it's official: You're stuck with us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufjan_Stevens
Not to be generic, but it's impossible for me to pick a song of his that would give you a good listen and idea of what his stuff is like. I have too many favorites.
I prefer his folkier/banjo/multi-instrumentation songs vs. his electronica stuff. In fact, his only album that I don't own is "Enjoy Your Rabbit" because I don't much care for electronica instrumentals.

Ah, so he's a solo artist... In the context, I'd kind of expected the front man for a band I do know!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Okay, I lied a little. This song has been on repeat the most in my head for a few weeks now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCb9jxqQYME

I think I'll check that out this evening.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Like the big old house in the neighborhood that suddenly becomes haunted by every scary creature imaginable.

Please don't say that when I rewatched Cabin In The Woods last night!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Or do I know what is making me feel awful?
My sinuses. It's either my sinuses or a summer cold.

That's what I meant.
I've been coughing for over two weeks now, but it's the middle of winter, so that's not as surprising.

~ Le Messor
"My job is so secret, even I don't know what I'm doing."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Sorry, Garry; it's official: You're stuck with us.

GARRY5EVAR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Ah, so he's a solo artist... In the context, I'd kind of expected the front man for a band I do know!

You like classic rock, I'm not sure if you'd like him or not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

I think I'll check that out this evening.

The everything of this song is why I love it, really.
He makes good use of background singers and his other musicians.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Please don't say that when I rewatched Cabin In The Woods last night!

You'll be sleeping with the lights on now. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

That's what I meant.
I've been coughing for over two weeks now, but it's the middle of winter, so that's not as surprising.

It's just all stuffed in the back of my throat.
It won't come out. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Garry is too awesome to be banned. His efforts are for nothing. :D

I'm pretty sure you already established that Garry is The Bringer Of Ruin. Are you trying to replace that title with Garry the Effortless, or Garry the Unbannable? Cuz, as far as cool titles go, The Bringer Of Ruin is "fairly well awesome".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flightpath07

I'm pretty sure you already established that Garry is The Bringer Of Ruin. Are you trying to replace that title with Garry the Effortless, or Garry the Unbannable? Cuz, as far as cool titles go, The Bringer Of Ruin is "fairly well awesome".

ALLLL those titles are pretty freaking amazing, I say!
Therefore, I think Garry should pick one out of those three titles.

I just finished #63 tonight.
I am officially in Hudnall's run (as of #62, I believe), and just tell me ONE thing:
Does he make immediate attempts at correcting some of the foolishness Mantlo did (like Snowbirdsquatch? Heather? Like, the entirety of NOT Alpha?)?

Just tell me if he goes in and tries to fix that crap right away. Pretty please? You don't have to spoil anything by telling me yes or no. :D

Somewhat, yes. Nothing EVER gets completely reByrned until...well, never, really. But it does more resemble Byrne's team (altho not in writing style) in the Chaos War one-shot and beyond(ish).

But, there are still good parts in all these episodes, all these runs, all these volumes. You just can't ever go home again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I just finished #63 tonight.
I am officially in Hudnall's run (as of #62, I believe), and just tell me ONE thing:
Does he make immediate attempts at correcting some of the foolishness Mantlo did (like Snowbirdsquatch? Heather? Like, the entirety of NOT Alpha?)?

Just tell me if he goes in and tries to fix that crap right away. Pretty please? You don't have to spoil anything by telling me yes or no. :D

He tries, you can see that much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

You like classic rock, I'm not sure if you'd like him or not.

He had the folsky feel that led to some of the classics; sort of like Cat Stevens crossed with the theme to Adventure Time. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

He makes good use of background singers and his other musicians.

Along with some slightly disturbing lyrics!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

You'll be sleeping with the lights on now. :(

I slept with a sword next to my bed that night, I'm telling you!

(Of course, I sleep with a sword next to my bed every night...)

It's like watching every horror movie at once.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawmis

He tries, you can see that much.

Yeah, he definitely does.
Of course, there was a LOT of ruin to clean up.

~ Le Messor
"I’m not saying let’s go kill all the stupid people… I’m just saying let’s remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out."
~ sign

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flightpath07

Somewhat, yes. Nothing EVER gets completely reByrned until...well, never, really. But it does more resemble Byrne's team (altho not in writing style) in the Chaos War one-shot and beyond(ish).

But, there are still good parts in all these episodes, all these runs, all these volumes. You just can't ever go home again.

*sniffle*
I figured as much. :(
Yeah, and even Mantlo gave me something good: Goblyn.
But that's the ONLY thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawmis

He tries, you can see that much.

This is comforting. <3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

He had the folsky feel that led to some of the classics; sort of like Cat Stevens crossed with the theme to Adventure Time. :D

He's fun. Or can be. He can also be serious, which is due at times.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Along with some slightly disturbing lyrics!

To me, that song was about a trio of curious siblings who walked in on their dad having an affair. A real life situation that turned scary for them. And they made it bigger and scarier than it probably really was, hence the "He left us now for dead". Because I highly doubt his father had intentions of killing them, but at their age, they probably felt like he was going to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

I slept with a sword next to my bed that night, I'm telling you!

(Of course, I sleep with a sword next to my bed every night...)

It's like watching every horror movie at once.

That bad, huh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Yeah, he definitely does.
Of course, there was a LOT of ruin to clean up.

Yes, Mantlo DID leave a lot of necessary clean-up. How long was Hudnall's run again?

I have to say that even though I wasn't a fan of alot of things that happened post-Byrne (i.e. anything to do with mystical worlds, magic, dimensions), I did enjoy mostt characters that were created. The way I view it is that we just didn't get to know them well enough. I was always intrigued by Pathway. Didn't she has some communication issue? Autism? I liked how they were all sort of growing in their own way. I quite enjoyed what happened to Purple Girl in Vol 4. I hope Marvel uses her in other ways.

I hope Purple Girl gets slaughtered.
By Northstar.
Eventually.
That character cannot disappear fast enough for my liking. I cannot stand her.

"His efforts are for nothing"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I love her even though Garry just tried to ruin her for me. :P

Goblyn's okay; her dad isn't. g/a-f

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawmis

Well, Goblyn isn't exactly 100% of this (Earth) world, if I am remembering correctly, so there may be a touch of supernatural to her claws that allow her to do what Wolverine can't.

And seriously, you should be glad that there's a character out there who CAN do something that Wolverine can't!

Ahhh, CJ and Tawmis, I went back and actually looked at/read # 54. I should never post before checking, first. One day, I'll learn...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flightpath07

I'm pretty sure you already established that Garry is The Bringer Of Ruin. Are you trying to replace that title with Garry the Effortless, or Garry the Unbannable? Cuz, as far as cool titles go, The Bringer Of Ruin is "fairly well awesome".

I like "Garry the Effortless", although [unintentional] "The Bringer of Ruin" is probably more accurate. But this is CJ's thread, and I've griped about the Mantlo era enough...for awhile.:cool::cry:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan

I like "Garry the Effortless", although [unintentional] "The Bringer of Ruin" is probably more accurate. But this is CJ's thread, and I've griped about the Mantlo era enough...for awhile.:cool::cry:

No, there is NEVER enough griping about the Mantlo era.
Remember: The Mantlo Era birthed Purple Girl who is the WORST character in the history of EVER.
We must remind ourselves and keep the hate strong so that we can keep each other fueled. Purple Girl's awfulness cannot be forgotten. Forgetting is how history repeats itself.
NO MORE PURPLE GIRL(S).

this post is mainly a bunch of BS. It's Monday, I deserve an allowance of BS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Yeah, and even Mantlo gave me something good: Goblyn.
But that's the ONLY thing.

You don't like DreamQueen? I knew you didn't like her as much as Goblyn, but that didn't have to mean not at all.
Then again, she's something evil.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

To me, that song was about a trio of curious siblings who walked in on their dad having an affair... hence the "He left us now for dead". Because I highly doubt his father had intentions of killing them, but at their age, they probably felt like he was going to.

I didn't get 'intent on killing them' from 'left for dead'; just, he walked out on the family, and if they lived or died after, so be it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Yes, Mantlo DID leave a lot of necessary clean-up. How long was Hudnall's run again?

He stays until around about #90.
Then Nicieza is next, who CAN be a good writer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sypes

Pathway. Didn't she has some communication issue? Autism?

Yes, she was autistic.
In fact, these comics were the first place I ran into that word - at the time, I thought it was just a cool character trait, not a serious condition.
I know better now.

~ Le Messor
(Frasier?) : "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
Woody: The same is true of Math!
~ Cheers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

NO MORE PURPLE GIRL(S).

You're gonna hate volume 2, then. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

No, there is NEVER enough griping about the Mantlo era.
Remember: The Mantlo Era birthed Purple Girl who is the WORST character in the history of EVER.
We must remind ourselves and keep the hate strong so that we can keep each other fueled. Purple Girl's awfulness cannot be forgotten. Forgetting is how history repeats itself.
NO MORE PURPLE GIRL(S).

Purple Girl - the worse character - ever?

This is actually an interesting topic... going to make a new thread, so we can all toss in our opinions...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

You don't like DreamQueen? I knew you didn't like her as much as Goblyn, but that didn't have to mean not at all.
Then again, she's something evil.

Eeek, I keep forgetting about her.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

I didn't get 'intent on killing them' from 'left for dead'; just, he walked out on the family, and if they lived or died after, so be it.

That's because you see it from an adult's perspective. Also: I got the feeling they thought he was going to kill them from other lyrics in the song "When my father ran undressed, he's pointing at my throat".
I BET YOU SEE A HAT, TOO, AND NOT AN ELEPHANT, HUH?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

He stays until around about #90.
Then Nicieza is next, who CAN be a good writer.

Huh. Then his run isn't THAT short. I was thinking it was shorter than that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

~ Le Messor
(Frasier?) : "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
Woody: The same is true of Math!
~ Cheers

Quotes just keep getting better!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flightpath07

You're gonna hate volume 2, then. :wink:

Really??
Fuuu...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tawmis

Purple Girl - the worse character - ever?

This is actually an interesting topic... going to make a new thread, so we can all toss in our opinions...

Hands down.
Worst character *I* have ever read in comics. But I probably haven't read near the comics you all have.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Eeek, I keep forgetting about her.

See, there's the problem right there. It's Gilded Lily you're supposed to try to forget.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

That's because you see it from an adult's perspective. Also: I got the feeling they thought he was going to kill them from other lyrics in the song "When my father ran undressed, he's pointing at my throat".

Yah, he was definitely putting the fear of him into them.
On the other hand, the Good Son is a tiller. He has a tiller's hands...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I BET YOU SEE A HAT, TOO, AND NOT AN ELEPHANT, HUH?

If you want to wear the elephant like a hat, then on your head be it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Huh. Then his run isn't THAT short. I was thinking it was shorter than that.

It was reasonable. It was short for the time - when Mantlo's AF wasn't that huge a comics run - but longer by today's standards, methinks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Quotes just keep getting better!

Now I feel the pressure...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flightpath07

You're gonna hate volume 2, then. :wink:

Really??
Fuuu...

Well, it's what she did to Jean-Paul that makes you hate her, so you still have a chance with v2.

~ Le Messor
"My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular."
~ Adlai Stevenson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

See, there's the problem right there. It's Gilded Lily you're supposed to try to forget.

She's what I consider a crazy-fun villain, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Yah, he was definitely putting the fear of him into them.
On the other hand, the Good Son is a tiller. He has a tiller's hands...

*sigh*
Now I'm all distracted by your Nick Cave reference. <3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

If you want to wear the elephant like a hat, then on your head be it.

To wear the elephant, I'd have to wear the snake that has eaten him, and that is what makes this all impossible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

It was reasonable. It was short for the time - when Mantlo's AF wasn't that huge a comics run - but longer by today's standards, methinks.

definitely longer by today's standards. Unless you're Bendis. Then his runs are unfortunately, entirely, too long.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Now I feel the pressure...

I'm good at that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

Well, it's what she did to Jean-Paul that makes you hate her, so you still have a chance with v2.

A chance to hate her more, or a chance to...unhate her?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Messor

~ Le Messor
"My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular."
~ Adlai Stevenson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnGTg-B5RQI