Leafy, good to see you here. The way you explained the Snowbird as Talisman scenario, the more likely it becomes. Also, please give me a quick run down on Mattie Franklin, not to up to date about this lady.
Cheers Leafy.
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Leafy, good to see you here. The way you explained the Snowbird as Talisman scenario, the more likely it becomes. Also, please give me a quick run down on Mattie Franklin, not to up to date about this lady.
Cheers Leafy.
I poke in here frequently but usually just lurk and read anything new! :) Usually I don't post unless I have something to really say (like the "Talisman" actually being Snowbird, and her having Shaman's bag as well!) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
As for Mattie Franklin - here's a nice write up of her on Wikipedia.org.
And here's more on my wild theories.... (this is yanked from my own forum...)
Tawmis' take...
Well, aside from OMEGA FLIGHT usually being associated with a villain team (it's like making a heroic team called Brotherhood of Evil Mutants!) ... this looks like it has some nice potential.
Now I am gonna give my take on the roster...
Going from right to left.
First, already mentioned - Beta Ray Bill. A powerhouse indeed. I, however, do not like how he's being drawn. Since when did his arms turn into the size of cannons? And what's with the metal glove? Those are my immediate qualms (since I love the character Beta Ray Bill).
Next, we have someone baring a very close look to CAPTAIN AMERICA, or possibly USAgent. My guess? We're looking at a NEW USAgent type character. And I believe this one is going to be Clint... formerly known as HAWKEYE (as a female character has recently taken up the name HAWKEYE). Clint as Captain America-esque... don't care for it much, but hey... So why Clint and not the actual USAgent that's known? I don't know... call it a hunch.
Next - clearly VINDICATOR of Alpha Flight days. But how? Vindicator (Hudson) was supposedly killed when the Collective came storming through.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...ngers_16_2.jpg
(Seen above: Vindicator, Puck, Sasquatch, Major Maple Leaf, Guardian, Murmur {I am guessing here, but that's who it looks like}, and then Shaman).
So how is Vindicator there if Vindicator's dead? Well, he hints that it's Vindicator's suit, but possibly not James. So who? Well, hopefully they don't do something hookey like "speed forwarding" James and Heather's son (seen in Uncanny X-Men, as a newborn then) - and make it him. But for right now - I am not sure who could be in the Vindicator outfit.
Next is the Spider Woman we see. My guess is it's Mattie. Reasong being? The hair is off - but the spider on the suit bares a close resemblence to her own.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...tie29_Head.jpg
Also, I think the book needs a young character, and she would fit the bill.
And now the one I am most excited about.
Immediately I thought it was Talisman. Because the headband is none other than Talisman's headband.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...Talisman_4.jpg
But then something caught my eye.
A small detail. But she has Shaman's pouch on her hip. (Logical, as Shaman apparently died against the Collective)
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g1...amanspouch.jpg
And then I got to thinking some more - her hand doing the gesture with the Northern Lights.
To me, that screams Snowbird.
And the winter-esque coat would fit Snowbird's motif.
So that got me to thinking - what we have here is Snowbird, with Talisman's headband and Shaman's pouch. And if that is indeed correct - that is an insanely powerful character!
I wonder if I put it on another message board, what the reaction would be :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Transmetropolitan
PS
Love the Snowbird idea. That would be even more impressive. That character has "the strongest ties to the old Alpha" maybe meaning because she has several objects like you said. Can't waitto find out :)
Snowbird isn't worthy of the power of Talisman, she would only be able to channel a small aspect of the power shown when Walter who was using Snowbird's body donned the Talisman briefly.
Sounds like a poll question to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Tony Stark wearing the Guardian armor? very unlikely, but wow that would be a shock.
That's what I am thinking. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Canucklehead
An interesting counter point... but to your counter point I offer my counter counter points. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by King Mungi
1. As you mentioned - WALTER - was inhabiting Snowbird's body. It was NOT actually Snowbird herself. So if it's based on Wortiness - it would base it on Walter's actions, NOT Snowbird's actions.
2. Snowbird has undergone a considerable amount of changes (for example, I believe she no longer has the main weakness of being bound to Canada Soil anymore).
3. While Walter was in Snowbird's body - I may be wrong here - but he couldn't even use SNOWBIRD's own body to its fullest extent. I am mistaken or was he only able to really turn into Sasquatch (a white form of it, like Snowbird used to). I don't recall Walter ever being able to change into an Owl or anything else. My point? If Walter couldn't "maximize" the abilities of the body he was inhabiting - what would make one think that he could make "full potential" use of Talisman's headband?
4. For all intents and purposes, Walter is human. He has no real "connection" to magic, per se - other than in Sasquatch form, he apparently connects to the Great Beast. However, Snowbird is very mystical in that she is only half human - the other half, a goddess. Granting her, I would imagine, a considerable amount of control over magic that Walter would not know about.
There's more scrambling through my head - but I am stuck at work currently! ;)
1. Except even Snowbird mentioned she was not worthy, she bowed before Elizibeth even before she donned the Talisman. They stated the only reason Walter could was due to Snowbird's body it isn't about merit but who is choosen to don it. Countless times in the comics they stated the only one worty was Elizibeth, anyone else and the gods would take notice.
2. She isn't, as she went to the US to battle the X-Men as well as space to the Plodex homeworld. That doesn't mean she is worthy.
3. Here is the scan in question, it doesn't matter if he could harnish her full power as she isn't worthy. If she was it goes completly against what was said in the comics countless times.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1...light68-19.jpg
4. Except as mentioned the reason he could don it was he was in the body of a goddess. That even did a scan of her while she was in human form and he/she was still magical
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/inde...orm_Identifier
The new attire even looks like the attire Shaman wore when he performed the spirit test and became the new Talisman
I remember them stating the only one being worthy is Elizabeth. They drove that point over and over. I can agree with that, no problem! :)
Now what I mean to imply is - since Snowbird has obviously undergone a series of dramatic changes in her life (and death). One of the examples I was trying to use is her not being restricted to Canadian Soil. Now that alone doesn't make her automatically worthy of the Talisman. BUT - where she could not cross the Canada border before, she could later. So what I am trying to get at is - if she wasn't worthy before, obviously things have changed in her - that may now make her worthy of actually being able to use the Talisman.
And with Shaman's remark about the gods will take notice, and channeling only a fraction of it - I get what he was saying back then. But anyone (with a small twist of creativity) could say - What Shaman was imply is that "she" as in WANDA (or Walter) could not access the full potential because of his intentions of how he was using the Talisman (it was being used clearly while Wanda/Walter had it out of anger and vengeance... so he wasn't "worthy" of using the full potential of the Talisman).
I am just saying that it's not entirely possible - AT ALL - that it could be Snowbird.
But you make an outstanding point that the shadow does resemble when Shaman became um, Talisman... or however you want to phrase that.
I guess why I am stuck on it being Snowbird is - they (Quesada or whoever it was) - made a point of the fact that Snowbird was not present when the Collective came through and that she would be seen again. (Of course, this could mean that Talisman is indeed Talisman, and Snowbird just has a guest appearance or something in Omega Flight...) :)
But like I said - it's a hunch.
Only time will tell, I would be annoyed if it was Snowbird with all the equipment of other Alpha Flight members. It should be Talisman, as even the Talisman has controlled the Great Beasts as well as summoned the Gods of the Arctic
That is potentially the most awesome thing that I have ever seen. A thing of beauty. You know that is going to get passed around the web as "real," don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius Bane
haha I hope so. Fill your boots, send er off, see what people say. I'd love to hear their reactions. It literally took me 30 seconds. I just wish I could find a career in this field! Pay some bills! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain Primate
I registered http://www.omegaflight.net. It was fun.
Uh, don't bother clicking on it because there's nothing there. It just forwards to alphaflight.net.
Love,
rplass
So umm...
where's Walt?
If anyone survived the collective it should have been him. Bring the furball back.
But anyway I like what I see so far. BRB is new to me somewhat bit from what I just read I like him.
I don't want that to be Mac in the suit. Enough is enough.
Talisman making a return would be great. Given the pouch Elizabeth becomes a huge force to deal with.
I can pass on the Spiderwoman and US Agent. Rehashes. Give me Puck and Sassy and all would be right.
Just a couple thoughts:
1) Human beings have been known to, time and again, survive horrific injuries. We're a much tougher species than we usually give ourselves credit for. There are stories of convicts in the early British "justice" system who'd take whippings of the lash -- enough so that bone was showing through in some places -- and then just don their shirts and walk away with the blood staining the cloth. Other men die under such punishment.
We're an odd bunch.
2) Corpses don't cry. Now go look at Mac's eye in that picture of the bodies in the snow.
3) I'm probably dead wrong. :)