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If that's all it were, it would probably be more than one conveniently placed chunk of snow. I hope. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mos_def
You know what I dig about the promo cover? Look at Guardian's suit. It's glorious. You wouldn't think that a stylized maple leaf would be so damned hard for people to draw, but so many artists screw it right up. Here? Perfect. I'm digging that. And I'm digging that Elizabeth has more traditional garb as well.
I'm content. You know why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian
Because this line-up won't last forever, and in the meantime, we'll hopefully get some cool stories out of it.
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Originally Posted by Transmetropolitan
For me the sense of optimism comes from the interviews with the new creative team, and seeing Mike Oeming here, doing his research. He's not just asking what the fans prefer (which, let's face it, needs to be ignored to an extent), but doing quick research into where they come from and what makes that place tick.
I don't expect them to get it perfect -- they are, after all, looking in from the outside -- but the initiative in action, the consideration of the past, the fact that these two guys were fans long before they landed on the book, and the quality of their past work? These are all good things.
I'd have loved to tackle this book. But by God, if it wasn't me, I'm glad it was these guys. :)
Being the saddo fanboy that I am, I looked at that image in PSP. After much scrutiny I've almost convinced myself that that is a tear. Non of the other figures seem to have any material that could be snow on their bodies. As Ed pointed out as well, it is conveniently placed. I'm hoping/convinced :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Northcott
Yay. Another Alpha Flight book without Alpha flight. I'm so excited. I just can't hide it. :?
My feelings are mixed up at the mo'. I'm already crying; 'Another 'Alpha Flight' series without Alpha Flight'. :( (And it is, for all the name change. At least it's honest this time.) But why should I get excited about yet another book on the market? It has little to do with Alpha Flight.
But, Mike sounds good. Sounds like a good writer, with a love of the mystical storylines, which is part of what made the orginal series for me.
I like that style. This smacks, to me, of good, intelligent writing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oeming
Mike's 'You can't just rock into Mordor' sig is painfully funny! I'm LOLling until it hurts!
He seems to have respect for the original series. But it seems I've heard those words before, and hated the run that followed.
It's occurred to me that publicity still is an homage to Excalibur #1. Subtler than most, but there you have it.
Also, please remember (with the Cap thing) that the interview talks about Scott's habit of changing costumes.
I recently read (about X-3) 'As long as you get your fave character on screen, even if there's a major change, you should be happy'. This comment reminds me of that. Sorry, Del, but I'm a fan of Alpha Flight. I busted my buns to be in Alpha Flight, I wanna be in Alpha Flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delbubs
Why should a completely different team make me happy? Why should I get excited about a new Alpha Flight book when I already know I'm not getting one? A bunch of characters who I've never read before ('cept maybe the Spider-Woman) team up... So what?
Even if I love this book (which I demand may, or may not happen), that won't make it Alpha.
Hmm... I think I'll give it its own section. I will be picking it up, make no mistake about that.
I've been missing Talisman; I've noticed that of all Byrne's creations, she seems to be the only one we haven't really heard from. Yay! (To her return; that is so her coronet.)
Could be Snowbird, but I still think the Northern Lights are more Liz' signature than Birdie's.
They leak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northcott
I believe totally that an American who would protest an Australian as Captain America would have no trouble at all with a USAan in the Guardian outfit. Come to think of it, it's not like he's 'Captain Canada'.
from:
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888
"Why not a South American one? Or an Australian team?
Is it because Canada is an English (in addition to French) speaking country?"
Hey! We speak English here, too! To read makes the talking English good!
Oh, and 'Alpha' and 'Omega' are Greek, not Latin! Who wrote this thing?!
"I think it has to be more “character” based than “action” based. There has to be action in every issue, but it has to revolve around character. Flight at its best has always been about the characters. When [John] Byrne first did Flight, that’s what made it special."
Damn straight!
Canucklehead, I love that first one, the omega within a leaf.
- Mik
"For I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End."
- God
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888
Oh geez, a cold shiver just went down my spine. I think Mac is dead and this is... well I don't know who it is. But, if Mac isn't in the suit then I'm not sure I will bother with the title. Yes, I feel that strongly about it.Quote:
NRAMA: All right, moving along… Is that Guardian, Vindicator? Is it James Hudson, or someone else?
MO: It’s the Guardian/Vindicator outfit that’s for sure [laughs])
Which makes me believe Mac is definitely not in the Guardian suit, since he would be the strongest link to the team's past. *sigh* I think nothing's changed at Marvel. :cry:Quote:
NRAMA: Finally, the last character… speculation has ranged from Storm, to Talisman, to Snowbird…what can you say at this juncture?
MO: I'll say that she is the strongest link to Flight’s past, spiritually inheriting the team... Oh crap, that could be either character, can't it?
If TPTB at Marvel wanted Alpha Flight to have been a success then they should have put more effort/money into doing so. Poor creative team after poor creative team ruined the title the first time. The serious lack of anything Alpha, the lame newbie characters and lousy writing tanked Vol. 2. The third series should never have been considered let alone produced. If this time around Marvel tries harder to make the Flight work because it's made up of mostly Americans... well, that doesn't really make me feel better.Quote:
NRAMA: Okay, any parting thoughts, first impressions you want to leave readers with for the next few months while they await the debut of the series?
MO: I guess I just want to impress on the reader that Marvel is really behind this. They don’t just want another Alpha Flight book, this isn't about nostalgia, they want Flight to be a success, be as strong as their strongest books, not just a strong “filler” series.
1. Oh man. I don't like the "sound" of that first comment either. If Mac isn't in the Guardian suit then, I will have a hard time spending my money on this title as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
2. Same as above. Man I really hate Marvel sometimes. I think most of the time nowadays Joe Q. and the bunch have no idea what they're doing.
3.Man I'm a bit worried. I miss the old Flight. Alpha Flight should be strongly Canadian as Captain America would be American or Union Jack be British/English.
Should we be excited? - Well in the sense that it's not really Alpha Flight, probably not. Then again what has been 'really Alpha Flight' since #28 vol 1. So many false dawns, writers portraying them as third rate Avenger wannabee's or a very bad circus act with villians that rival Doctor Decibel for galactic threat. So Alpha as a concept doesn't really work.
When it was first built, it was a beautiful thing, but years of neglect has left it derelict and tottering, ready for collapse. I suppose we can continue patching it up, but that way it will never get back to what it was, or we can knock it down and rebuild from the foundations, keeping the best aspects from the original to be incorporated into the new.
I'm willing to give it a go, you can normally gauge what's going too happen within the first few issues. It may not be Alpha Flight, but it's the nearest we're gonna get.
The above ramblings we're bought to you courtesy of my eight month old grand daughter, who does not take into consideration that 'grand dads only had three hours sleeep'.
So says Marvel...again and again (I just emailed Joe Quesada and he responded with more hogwash, just like at the time of Vol 3)...But hello! Give the freakin' original Alpha Flight a try (which Marvel hasn't since vol. 1)....MAYBE it will work...These boneheads(meaning Marvel) shouldn't keep saying it doesn't work until it's been actually tried.....GAAAAH! :xQuote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Why not just give them a good shine and start rebuilding...The first story arc could be about that rebuilding...It might make for some good story-telling. Get a head count of the dead, missing and maimed and make a slamming team with the survivors (both old and new). The original team (I mean Mac, Heather, Puck, Sasquatch and Shaman) should not be left dead...They're important to the origins of the team, just as Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Wasp, etc...are to the Avengers (same applies to the X-Men's Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Jean, etc... Why else are they continually brought back, again and again (in various team line-ups and relaunches)? Why does Marvel do it with every other team, but not AF? :xQuote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Some of us don't want yet ANOTHER stand-in team. We MAY give it a try, but I for one, don't give a crap about Beta Ray Bill, U.S.Agent and Julia Carpenter/Arachne...And that will decide if we continue to buy it. It may crash and burn faster than Vol. 3...Who knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Sure, I want to see Talisman and Guardian again...But I want to see them fighting along-side Shaman, Snowbird, Sasquatch, Vindicator, Puck, Northstar and Aurora...Not a bunch of Force Works cast-offs in an Avengers-Wannabee team.
Dana
EDITED to fix some irritating typos.
Oh I know it won't be AF. I'm just tired of hearing everyone talk like the characters and the team's premise were the reason the original title kept failing. It wasn't. It was an utter lack of ability and creativity on the part of the various writers and a lack of commitment from Marvel.
If there was a failure when it came to AF the company shouldn't blame their product.
You are SO right, Legerd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
Dana
Yup, I agree totally. I'm not going to buy a series just for Talisman...Sorry Elizabeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian
Ditto! they don't learn from their mistakes and they don't listen. They'll sell hundreds (maybe thousands/millions) of Toybiz John Byrne Alpha Flight action figures, Marvel Legends Sasquatch figures and Alpha Flight Heroclix/Beanz/etc...But they won't give the original team line-up a chance at their own series? What a bunch of dimbulbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian
You know it...For that matter...ANY team calling itself Omega Flight (and based in Canada!!!) should really be mostly Canadian too (it doesn't make any kind of sense, that they're not). :xQuote:
Originally Posted by Guardian
Dana
Keep something in mind folks, this is the starting lineup for the team. Guess what? LOTS of people are buzzing about this book, and it will draw lots of people in from the looks of it.
Ben
In laymans terms, Alpha Flight is f.u.b.a.r. Your right, it is wrong for Marvel to blame the product, they should be looking at themselves for ever allowing Seagle and Lobdell to further damage an already damaged concept. So what should they do ? Slap a plaster on it and hope the wounds will heal. "Lets just do it as Alpha Flight, with very little or no damage repair, that'll keep the Alpha fans happy". From what I'm hearing here, it prolly would keep us happy, but AF vol 4 goes the way of all flesh after a x amount of issues. So instead they ask Mike Oeming to do a major repair job which will prolly involve concepts that don't immediately appeal to the fans. What should we do, ***** about it before we even see what Oeming is gonna do or wait and see?
When we see that Mac isn't in the team, then surely that is the time to *****? When we see Omega Flight become Avengers North in all but name, then that's the time to *****. Negativity breeds further negativity, lets give Oeming the benefit of the doubt for now and ***** like unpaid whores if it all goes tits up. Not much to ask.
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