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That's how he drew her when he was doing Alpha Flight. The Circlet was covering her brows...she usually had a bit of forehead above it, though (it appears he drew the circlet a bit too big).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ottawa Renegade
Dana
EDITED: because I had two signatures, for some reason.
His reasons are (AFAIK)... He created the characters for the X-Men to battle, but didn't believe they should be used for any more than random appearances (he called them one-notes...I really don't know why he feels this way, since many, many characters are "born" this way and sometimes go on to be big successes...As Alpha did, at first)Quote:
Originally Posted by SephirothsKiller
and he was coerced into doing their book, when he had no interest.
Like I said...That's the way he drew her when he was doing the Flight...Pretty much every pic he did of her had her brow covered by the circlet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SephirothsKiller
Dana
I think you are right Dana, the biggest problem is the size of the circlet and the amount of forehead above it, it's too small.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
My boyfriend, who is a much better penciller than I, said pretty much that the proportions where wrong and most of all, Talisman had a an head and a mouth too big for the rest.
I know it's Byrne's forum over there.... but are falling over themselves to brownnose about a piece that isn't really anywhere NEAR his best work. Eh. Oh well.
If his behaviour there is anything like what I've heard, I'm surprised he isn't trying to hack into this place to ban you for saying that... :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Transmetropolitan
Anyway, we probably sound the same towards our Omega creative team, and it's not even their board.
Speaking for myself, I've never really like the way Byrne draws people, particularly facial expressions. In fact, I recall when he critisized himself once for that very thing. I believe he said that he's aware that many of his characters look similar and that it was something he wanted to work on.
Hi, everybody!
Talisman's proportions are off indeed.
Her head is too big, her forehead is too small (making the amulet look like a paperweight), and the nose and mouth are too large.
Also, both her and Scarlet Witch's bodies look stunted, as if Byrne drew them a head or two too short. I've noticed this trait in his work over the past few years.
When he had returned to ACTION COMICS with Gail Simone, his Superman looked short on the covers.
It is incredible how EVERY poster on his site is praising this as one of his best pieces ever. Personally, if I had commissioned this I'd be very disappointed with the end product.
Haha, so true, a nice "WTF? You best be re-doing this for me Byrne!" would have been my response had I been the one who commissioned it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weapon Alpha
To me parts of this looks like someone with a little skill copying a byrne piece. I have some pics from when I was a teen trying to copy some Jim Starlin Warlock art. It's close, as I was copying it, but somehting's just not right about a lot of it...
Could just be an off piece for Byrne, but really, he should have seen it, and fixed it, or started over, since someone is paying for it. I look at artists like Perez and Starlin and realize that old-school artists can continue to evolve in thier style, and stay modern, but classic. Byrne has faild to do so IMO.
BTW, this coming from someone who started collecting comics because of Byrne...
Ben
Yes...The pic is not perfect. Yes...John Byrne can be a jerk.
I posted the link because I thought somebody would enjoy seeing an Alpha Flight member being drawn again by Byrne. Cripes!...And I got my hand slapped here for being too negative and critical of Omega Flight. I give up.
Dana
One poster there said the faces look "distinctive"Quote:
Originally Posted by Transmetropolitan
That can be a word for "bad".
Dana, people aren't griping at you about this, we are simply stating our opinions of this piece, and JB's art in general these days. Really we are looking at apple and oranges comparing your Omega negativity, to this. I won't get into specifics, as I don't think it's fair to come down on other's opinions. I know you hold JB in high regard, however I see no need to take it personally if some fans feel that he isn't living up to the standard he once did. Many people (myself included) were stuck by certain things being out of propotion in this peice, we aren't Byrne bashing, if people were doing so, this thread would be locked. It's specific comentary about the piece of art in question. In my opinion this peice, Talisman specifically, does not live up to what we know Byrne can, or once could do. I do feel that the background is great, but if I paid the price he charges for these commisions, I'd be very disapointed in this peice. If you are going to charge the top dollar, you should provide the best you can do, and this simply is not his best.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
Ben (feeling tired and cranky after a long night at work)
I realize nobody is griping at me...I just wanted to contribute something to the board and ...Well...It's turned into a pretty negative/critical thread...I'm just bummed out lately, when it comes to Alpha Flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Whoah now...Hold your horses there, Ben...I hold some of John Byrne's artwork and some of his writing in high regard....I do not hold the man himself in the highest regard...I don't know him I only know of his personality from his online self...And that ain't pretty). I simply respect the talent he possesses...that's it. This is not one of his best, unfortunately...I totally agree with you on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
As far as my opinions of Omega (whether they be negative or just percieved to be so)...It seems everyone can say their piece on them, but myself.
Again...I agree with your assessment of Talisman in the pic. This is not his best....Although, His other recent AF-related commissions were much better executed and quite attractive. Liz's head is not in proportion with her body (her body is too slight for the size of her head), but as an artist...I have to say her facial features (mouth included) are in proportion to her head size. I honestly don't feel the pic is as bad as everyone else is saying it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Dana
Sorry Dana, I like to analyse a drawing and I might say I'm expecting a lot form the great John Byrne and this drawing is not up to his talent. We saw other work of his that where superbe and everyone said so.
Don't be sad to have shown that commission. It's nice to see Talisman. there is a nice background too, but it would have been better if the proportion would have been right.
Allan can tell you, I would have made the same comment if this drawing as been his.
Like Dana, I love Byrnes work. I am on his forum. I think the following:
1.Elizabeth looks distorted facially to me, but I am no art critic, so that is my opinion.
2. I think the idea of a Wanda and Elizabeth commission was a cool idea
3. If you want to know JB's opinion on Alpha, check out:
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/FAQ/lis...ook+Projects#9 and hear from the man himself!!
4. JB just doesn't like people speaking for him!! Fair enough!
5.Dana, Ben, Omega is a rebirth, so let's all be hap, hap, HAPPY!! I visit this site far more often than the JB forum nowadays and you guys are ALL GREAT!!
6. Anyone know where I can buy a cool AF poster to frame????? :D
I lack the talent to be an art critic, so I can't comment on proportions and such. But If I'd paid the price tag JB charges and got this, I'd be unhappy. Of course I'd have commissioned Shaman and Talisman battling mystic foes, which would have been way cooler!
The expression is "distinct" for certain. I'm glad Dana posted this though. It's great to see Alpha still getting exposure, especially in other forums. Don't think we're all out to attack you Dana. I respect your opinion, but moreso your courage to express it. Few have the strength to stand up for their convictions when facing a firing squad. Don't back down on account of us. If we all agreed this would be a boring forum and we'd all be happy to see Wolverine show up in another title as a main character.