I'd be fine if we got Alpha Flight minis here and there, as long as they were good.
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I'd be fine if we got Alpha Flight minis here and there, as long as they were good.
Me, I thought the 20 or so issues of v2 were MORE than enough to tell that particular story. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
~ LM
"Remember that opportunity is a dare - not a door."
~ W.G.P.
Heh. I didn't like V2 (I remember when I first read it, I thought it was all right - but somewhere on this forum, I discussed re-reading all of my Alpha Flight, and getting to Volume 2 and making it to about the third or fourth issue - and having to stop). For V2 it was a combination of the writing feeling like it was EVERYWHERE and the art just was not my style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
No idea how I got through it when it first came out.
Do wish we got more out of Radius and Flex, since they had origins tied outside of Alpha Flight (Unus and possibly Wolverine... though I'd like to think it was Wolverine's DNA, and not a son Wolverine fathered... because that'd mean their mother had a thing for sleeping with mutants... not that there's anything wrong with that - but two different mutant fathers, both of whom sired mutant children... seems pretty unlikely!)
Me neither, soQuote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
Flex was one of the few things about v2 I had any liking for, though.
~ Le Messor
"Be nice to your kids; they'll pick out your nursing home."
~ Bumper Sticker
I've still got a lot of love for Vol.2.
It's not Byrne Flight, but then again few things are.
... and for some people who have been on this forum v2 is their Alpha Flight.
Didn't like Radius?Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
I just feel like the writing was a little everywhere. Like way too many plot lines were thrown on the table at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
That's sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
:)
Nope. Too much of an aggressive 90s jerkhat bully. Nothing cool about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
:D It's just people with different experiences and opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
~ Le Messor
"Aggressive people have plenty of 'pushing power', but very little 'pulling' power."
~ P.K. Shaw
I liked V2. They had good ideas and should have gotten more time in my opinion, as the stories had substance and weren't run of the mill. Ghost Girl and Flinch were two characters I wanted to see developed, but alas. Even Weapon PRIME was a team I wanted to see more of, more developed. But alas.
I had much more respect for vol. 2 after seeing vol. 3. :)
I find vol. 3 bad, but enjoyable.
I don't know what would sell, I just believe that if a publishing company publishes a well-thoughtout, well-executed, well-edited story with a beginning, middle, and end, people will buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
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Originally Posted by Le Messor
If Epsilon guards can: (1) capture and chain "Sasquatch II"; (2) detain, steal and/or harness the power of SUNFIRE; (3) de-age Mac to 18 years old; (4) capture and mind-wipe Judd and Heather at will/with ease, and; (5) harvest/grow children for Department H, what use, really, is (volume 2's version of) Alpha Flight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
I'd honestly like to believe that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
I'm being the cynical one for once!
That's a really good point. I've never considered it like that before.Quote:
If Epsilon guards can: (1) capture and chain "Sasquatch II"; (2) detain, steal and/or harness the power of SUNFIRE; (3) de-age Mac to 18 years old; (4) capture and mind-wipe Judd and Heather at will/with ease, and; (5) harvest/grow children for Department H, what use, really, is (volume 2's version of) Alpha Flight?
I hadn't thought of that - but that's just further proof that the writing felt like it was everywhere and not all that well planned out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
I think it was just an over-desire to do something very different to Vol.1 plus a LOT of editorial interference...
I've often said I've observed a total lack of correlation between quality and popularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilI'd honestly like to believe that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
I'm being the cynical one for once!
Marketing is important, for one thing.
Though, Garry, you're right about Epsilon. I don't think I'd thought about that either!
~ Le Messor
"Bear in mind that brains and learning, like muscle and physical skill, are articles of commerce. They are bought and sold. You can hire them by the year or by the hour. The only thing in the world not for sale is character."
~ Justice Antonin Scalia
That seemed to be a curse with Volume 2. Same exact thing happened that sank New Warriors V2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
Which was New Warriors v2 again? Was it the one during Erik Larsen's Nova?
~ Le Messor
"Beauty is in the details."
~ German proverb
Yup, written by Jay Faerber, who (as a fan, before his writing career) was on the original Alpha Waves list that eventually led to this board!
^^ This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
And I actually enjoyed Jay's run - but you could tell something was happening in the background.
Jay's run was infinitely better than the "X-Mutants New Warriors"... Which COULD have been interesting, except their artist was beyond horrible - you literally could not tell the characters apart when they were out of costume.
I remember Jay originally wanted to use Clone-Mac from AF Vol.2 but the idea got nixed.
I seem to remember that, too.
By the "X-Mutants New Warriors", do you mean the latest version? With Jubilee?
I keep that one separate to my other runs of New Warriors, because it's a completely different book.
I don't think I knew Jay was on the original list. And yet, I was.
Hard to brain, need coffee.
~ Le Messor
"Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder."
~ Bumper Sticker
I remember hearing that too. I wonder how that would have played out. Would he have used Clone-Mac as the leader of the New Warriors? That might have felt weird. It would have felt like Alpha Flight - especially if Clone-Mac was still wearing the Vindicator/Guardian armor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
There's been a version of the New Warriors since then. Done by Christopher Yost (writer) and Marcus To (artist).Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
I can not say enough good things about that run (with Yost & To). It's a shame that the title did not get to complete it's run (they had laid out story elements, that didn't get to see fruition because Marvel asked them to close the series at issue 12 - so at least they got to wrap up the series - but they certainly left some story elements dangling!)
http://newwarriors.com/synopsis/new-...ew-warriors-v5
Of course! The Sungirl / Inhumans one. I think I keep that with the original serieses.
Should they do a mixture of members from the different versions of AF or just stick to the original members? I wish they would do a Puck/Puck II mini-series! lol
They really should do a PUCK/PUCK II mini series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekko Hotvle
Honestly. It could be about them reconnecting. Her kind of resentful of her father, never being there. Him telling her he never was because of all these insane adventures he was on. And by the end of the limited series, they come to an understanding.
I'd prefer them to start with the originals, then bring in other characters in time, as needed.
~ Le Messor
"Begin at once to live, and count each day as a separate life."
~ Seneca
Oh yeah! I agree, that would be a hoot. Complete kick ass. Great suggestion, Mekko Hotvle!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekko Hotvle
With Puck II as a zombie?
:) There's more than one kind of undead.
Puck has been to Hell, who is to say he's not made a deal or two....Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
How would you name the Puck/Puck II miniseries? Meet the Pucks? Puck Yu?
I'd call it: ALPHA FLIGHT: "Dead And Back Again, A Puck's Tale."Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekko Hotvle
(As a nod to The Hobbit)
:) It was recognisable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
For every "good" person* saved, a "bad" person* has to be saved, too (*characters in Alpha Flight; for example, if Judd makes a deal to bring Roger Bochs back, he also has to bring back somebody like Jerry Jaxon)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
The only characters other than the originals I could see making an appearance early on are Zuzha Yu and Lou Sadler, Jr..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekko Hotvle
When volume 4 was previewed, and it had a roster with characters that had the same names as every character that was in volume 1 # 1, plus it tied in with why Marrina would be especially incensed at Attuma...I thought finally Alpha Flight was going to be restored! But then the printed version was slightly different from the preview, and...well...volume 4 is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
I'd vote for Puck Yu, but I don't know if it would sell enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekko Hotvle
That's a great idea!Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Which one is that again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
I hear ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Oh, that'd sell. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-FanI'd vote for Puck Yu, but I don't know if it would sell enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mekko Hotvle
(And it's a brilliant pun.)
~ Le Messor
"Brains are an asset, if you hide them."
~ Mae West
I tried to clear up some of the things from that post, but I wasn't in time! I actually meant Lou Sadler, Jr.("Major Mapleleaf" the son [not the father], the character who got "killed" along with Zuzha Yu/Puck II in New Avengers # 16). It's amazing that nobody (neither Judd nor Mac nor Walt nor Michael* nor Heather mention anything about their fallen comrades. [* the least likely to have been brain-washed] Sure, mention is made to Heather killing Snowbird way-back-when, but the two newbies...what happened to them?
Mentioning them means admitting Volune 3 happened...
Volume 3 wasn't all that bad (I liked some of the characters...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
The clone thing/time displaced/whatever was worse.
Exactly.
If they bring up one thing it'll lead to the other.
Not saying they won't bring the characters back from the dead at some point; comics after all.