I understand now. I often wondered how that kind of thing would stand up in court... 8)
Thanks for clearing that up.
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I understand now. I often wondered how that kind of thing would stand up in court... 8)
Thanks for clearing that up.
If you look carefully, you can see Walter Langkowski in that issue, as it mirrors the events of FF# 266-268, where he showed up as a radiation expert called in by Reed Richards to help Sue.Quote:
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They're was an old issue of What If? #30 (The second story in the issue) where Reed and Sue Richards daughter lived.
Love,
rplass
There's also a little clause in the Declaration of Independence that states if a government is unjust the people have the right to rise up and overthrow that government and "all men are created equal". So given that I think either side could argue they're on the right side of the law. The Declaration of Indepenence is a hard document for an American to argue with. It's what we've based our existence on. So if a group feels the law is unjust then they should stand up and voice their opinion. If the government then rises up to squash them, then they have the right to bear arms in the defense of their homes as well as what they may consider a patriotic duty to overthrow the unjust government. Why should someone who is in the eyes of the government an equal be forced to register for being different? Sorry, but I gotta side with the non-registered heroes. What comes next making homosexuals register because they are "different and dangerous"? It's ludicrous! Now Northstar is double registered! And how can that be fair?
Yes, that was the first story, where the Richard's daughter Suzie turns out to be a murderous psychic vampire/monster....
Doctors Banner, Octavius and Morbius were also there. As far as I know, only Michael Morbius is an actual medical doctor. They never specified if he (Morbius) was a vampire or not, but he still had that bat-like face... :-k
There was also a doctor named Kite, but I don't recognize the name.
I know that's why I have the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by rplass
I think Morbius was vamped at the time, if he had the bat-face. They never specified they were after medical doctors; most of the people they wanted were radiation experts.
It makes you think, if the constitution lets you take arms against governments of trouble, and by opposing end them, consider how that applies to our superheroes... :shock:
I wonder if there is a right side to the Civil War debate. The registration isn't about mutants; it's about people who want to do superheroics. It's not about what they are, it's about what they do. There's a huge distinction.
Dr Strange is one of the few supers who doesn't have to register. (I don't know why; that's close to word for word what Stark, or somebody, told him.)
- Le Messor
"A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history - with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila."
- Mitch Ratliffe
But wouldn't they need medical doctors as well as radiation experts? Dr. Morbius is an expert on blood, I have no idea what that field is called, Haemology?
Considering the "Timeline" as I remember it, then Morbius would have been a vampire by the time of Sue's second pregnancy, right? Morbius first appeared in 1971 (Amazing Spider-Man #101) Was that before or after the pregnancy? Of course, being an AU, it may just be that his blood disease disfigured him....
I just don't know...
There's no way I'd sign!
And it seems some of the X-Men will be at odds with each other as well in Civil War X-Men. Some will be for it while others will not. I would think the X-Men would remember the Mutant Registration Act not so long ago. That was wrong and so is this!
After I'm with the Cap! No registration!
I wonder, though, why those who did sign are so quick to turn on their compatriots?
- LM
"A good listener is not only popular everywhere but after a while he knows something."
I would think because it's now the law and they are the ones who have to enforce it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
Hundreds of people, mostly children, were murdered as a result of a bunch of amateur vigilantes making an amateur mistake....and all for the sake of increasing the ratings of their crappy reality tv show.
With just a bit of proper schooling, they would have known that, where Nitro was concerned, it would have been safer to let him think he was escaping, all the while following him, and then take him out at a more oppurtune time and place.
As it was Namorita slammed him into a school bus, in front of a elementary school that was in session, in the middle of a residential neighbourhood. And then went on to dare him to explode.
I'm not sure if I agree with all of the particular's of the bill, but I do agree with it's spirit. And I believe in leading by example, and an equal application of the law. If you want to fight crime, you have to be trained and in a position where you can be held accountable. By refusing and defying that, you are opening the door to every amateur to throw caution to the wind and show boat....at the expense of the very people you claim to be trying to protect.
As for the "Whose side am I on" logos. I'm on the side of the people. Not Cap's. Not Iron Man's. Not the governments. The side of your average Joe, and the little kids who deserve a chance to feel secure and grow up, and not be incinerated because some brat didn't have the common sense to know how to handle the situation he/she was in.
Nuff said.
As touching the rationale behind Civil War...
http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75978
Enjoy. :lol:
Tony Stark! BURN IN HELL!! :evil:
:P heh, they aint getting anything out of me. Although I wouldn't wear a mask and stuff, people could already see my face so why the heck would I need to sign the act?
Ironically...They do have to give DNA. They keep that as a matter of record. Iron Man has come up with a way to create nanites that attach to your DNA and can permanently shut off ones powers. Hes used it on She-Hulk. She kinda got mad when she found out Iron Man and the Illuminati shot her brother into deep space against his will. When she rebelled he shot her and shut off her powers. He tried to have Spidermans powers shut off in Intitiative #3 as well. So besides forcing minors into being an army and killing other humans, Putting you into a prison in another dimension without trial or due process, and many other moral and legal transgressions. The Initiative can now fundamentally change your DNA simply because they want to.
i'm totally agree with you. we are not speaking about cap or iron man's side, here, the shra is about people's side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Powersurge
xavier teached his boys and girls to use their powers, to control them. and their ethic use, too 8yeah,m well, i know good charles sometimes looks like he doesn't know too much about ethic, but you know... it's the thinking the most important part). i don't see why all the other super human don't have to be traineed. and controlled. do you imagine what would happen if people like Scarlet... maybe her... was controlled?probably all this things would never happen.i can desagree with something, for sure, but i can't deny i'm agree with the most of it.
Wanda...had to do what she did. The Mutants are supposed to be a representation of minorities and yet there were so many. She had to...
But I don't think there was anyone controlling her. She was always a frail person...
back to the act though, what is the purpose of registering if you DON'T WEAR A MASK?
Absolute power corrupts absolutely! I absolutely think Tony Stark has been granted absolute power and is absolutely headed towards absolute corruption.
In a way this reminds me of Orson Scott Card's Enderverse. Take a few Battle School graduates (superheroes) and bring them back to Earth. Soon every nation that has a graduate is looking at ways to expand their borders and influence. And one such graduate Achilles (Iron Man) decides to kidnap Ender's entire jeesh and press them into his scheme to rule the world. Countries with superhumans collecting them into an army has to have ramification around the world far more reaching than border crossings. A paranoid China or Muslim world should be moving to counter this build up of super soldiers. We can only hope that if the Marvel universe heads in this direction Talisman or someone else will rise to take a role similar to Card's Hegemon.
I don't see how Wanda had to wipe the mutant gene out. Isn't that what nature or science was doing with the Legacy virus? Why wipe out your own kind, especially if they are the minority? And sure there are a ton of them in the MU, but then that's what the MU is about...people with powers. Mutancy is an easy explanation. MU doesn't typically tell stories about the millions of normal citizens. They are the backdrop of the stories. She could just as easily said no more superhumans and included technology heroes, genetically altered hereos, and highly trained heroes. Then everyone in the MU would be normal and we wouldn't need the SHRA. Of course Marvel would be closing their doors if that happened, but it makes as much sense as getting rid of mutants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori
I also like your alternative to the SHRA, make mask wearing illegal! Much simpler to enforce, and you don't have to knock down peoples doors and arrest them because you think they might have a mask they intend to wear in the future.
Hmmm...I think the mutants need to get even more paranoid and not trust Tony one iota then...This is so like the Power Neutralizer gun that Forge came up with years ago (first to fight the Dire Wraith invasion, but then Govt agents used it to hunt down Rogue...They shot Storm with it by accident).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dfense75
Dana
But can we at least agree on the fact that Wanda is a nutcase?
For the masks, I mean Black Panther-gone. Wolverine - sorry no mask. Unless you have a specific reason (like Deadpool) then all headgear must be illegal. I like that idea :3. Saves the world a giant crossover riot.
No doubt Wanda is a nutcase. She has been since losing her children way back in the Scarlet Witch/Vision limited series.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori
Yep the woman has lost her mind...what a waste of a perfectly good mutant...
Speaking of absolute power. Iron Man has had in his possesion prior to Avengers Disassembled...The reality gem. Tony has in his past shown he has an addictive personality (understatement). Give someone like that that power to change reality...Absolute power corrupts absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barnacle13
Which leads back to the whole "but then we couldn't lead normal lives and the villains would kill our families" thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori
Good thing I don't ride a motorbike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kumori
- Le Messor
"Dying is not to be feared. It is the final comfort. As we all learn, eventually."
- Robert A. Heinlein
I don't know that it's a matter of Tony Stark being corrupt as he is self-centered. He's a futurist, he know best, and everyone should see things his way. The first attempted SHRA inductions were Cap and Cage...two of Stark's closest friends at the time. Stark's easy to be friends with...just see and do everything his way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barnacle13
Needless to say perhaps, I think that the addage of "absolute power corrupts absolutely" is at the heart of the SRA. And it is quite telling that Stark and the pro-regs are the one's that placed themselves beneath the power of others, and opened their actions to scrutiny and accountability.
And quite the contrast to what was said about Stark, it was the anti-regs that insisted on having everything their own way, and damn everyone else. If someone saw matters differently, they were fascists, "in league with Lucifer", had no clue as to freedom, etc.
Power corrupts. No need for it to be absolute.