A pre-emptive cancellation? Even given Alpha Flight's track record that seems awfully harsh. Bummer.
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A pre-emptive cancellation? Even given Alpha Flight's track record that seems awfully harsh. Bummer.
EXACTLY! I feel the same way. I'm sorry for Oeming and Kollins as well. Hopefully they're be a silver lining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ottawa Renegade
Hey, what if the reason for all these 5-issue minis is because Joe Q only has one hand, and can't count to anything else?
We'll see what Oeming says about this, but I have a feeling we're going to start seeing more minis-as-events rather than ongoings from Marvel.
Sort of like what they're doing to Nextwave now, it isn't a regular series anymore but will return as a series of minis. Maybe for lower-selling series it's just more profitable to market them that way.
In that case, if this is the first in a periodic series of Omega Flight minis to be released based on interest and creative team availability... well that would be better than nothing.
I think ya mean Janet Jackson. J Lo just has a great butt, but Janet's the one with the wardrobe mafunction.Quote:
Originally Posted by syvalois
But yeah, I can't quite picture her... working in that. Can you imagine what you happen if she kicked someone in that thing? The comic's rating would go from PG to MA!
Ben, Del...I'm not going to say anything negative about OM...Honest!
I empathize with all of you...This sucks and it's really $h!tty. I was half-hoping that OM (even though I've been against the idea of it) would do well and pave the way for Alpha to return (hopefully, it still can)...But this seems like another attempt to sabotage a Flight book by Marvel, even before it comes out. Joke Quesada really knows how to kill a series/character franchise.
Marvel seems to be going out of it's way to piss off older readers, confuse new ones and irritate and alienate fans of various teams/characters (Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver/Alpha Flight and anything-anyone AF-related/New Warriors/Avengers)....Not to mention having many of their heroes act totally out of character during their Civil War debacle. This is one of the biggest reasons why the Handbooks are the only Marvel books I usually buy....Sigh.
Dana
What if Omega Flight has been changed to 5 issues is because at the end of issue 5 they once again become Alpha Flight?
I know it’s a long shot, but a guy can dream.
That would be great. It's a nice dream, even nicer if it becomes reality.
Dana :)
Dana, I know we haven't seen eye to eye on a lot of stuff regarding OF, but I just wanted to say thanks for what your wrote above and if anything good can come out of this, it will be an AF series built from what OF gives us. Thanks again.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
This is very bad news!!! I can't believe Marvel turns a series with so much hype into a simple mini-series of 5 issues. I was feeling very excited and when Oeming mentioned the second story arc would involve former AF characters I became more excited thinking that AF could finally achieve the respect they deserve but Marvel is too stupid to differ good things from ------- things. I feel like when they cancelled F V2 (which I think was the best era after Byrne). I just hope we are given an explanation about this. I feel cheated by Marvel as a fan.
Sorry, I did not expressed myself very clearly. I was refering to that dress:Quote:
Originally Posted by Effexxor
http://www.duckdrivers.centerall.com...ez_green_1.jpg
I think She was the first or one of the fisrt women to wear something so ...open, like under the belly button (like Talisman on that cover).
And then, I thought it would not be practical on fighting and would probably show.
I see how you end up think of Janet Jackson, but lets face it, we never saw Janet full..hum...bumper(?) There was a little thing glue to her nipple, So, unless Elisabeth got a diamond on her nipple, we can't say it's like Janet :P (I just think, I scared half the men on that list and the other half reading are... well...:twisted: )
Lol, totally. What MA stand for. I understand it's for mature, but mature what?Quote:
But yeah, I can't quite picture her... working in that. Can you imagine what you happen if she kicked someone in that thing? The comic's rating would go from PG to MA!
Anyword on when Oeming's annoucement is taking place? It's today
Nothing yet :(Quote:
Originally Posted by King Mungi
Heroes for Hire was tested as a Daughter of the Dragon Mini, It sold well, and is now an ongoing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banshee
Madrox was a mini that sold well and became X-Factor vol3.
Omega is a now a mini....I wonder how we could get it ongoing?
Works in reverse as well
Alpha vol3 Bombed.....Team Killed
New Warriors "Reality Check" Bombed.....Team Killed
The Thing Bombed......Currently in France
If we're lucky, our VERY loud condemnation of the policy change may be forcing a very quick rethink along the lines of "wake up and smell the coffee". Could we finally be getting respected? :roll:
Yea! That's what it is 'R.E.S.P.E.C.T.' .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokole
Oh look Mummy
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Both AF v3 and New Warriors were jokefests aimed at a very limited audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgrjr2000
But New Warriors gets a revival too, want to bet it's not downgraded to a mini in 3 months?
The last two Punisher series sold poorly, now we get Punisher War Journal again.
Several X-men series bombed lately, but we get another Wolverine series and X-23 again, as if that gets more than X fanboys going. Too bad there still are so many people willing to buy anything wolverinish just because :roll:
MA would be the rating of the Grammies if JLo's dress has flown open. That kinda 'mature'.Quote:
Originally Posted by syvalois
Ah, but genetic engineering is making so many strides these days, even the Tin Man got a heart. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Effexxor
????????????
If you were asking literally, it's mature "audiences".
i am so beyond pissed about this that i probally should stop typing.
first a off-panel death, then a promised ongoing with a awesome creative team is knocked back to a mini.
i really wonder who made this decision.
as much as i am looking forward to hearing from mike, i know there will be no silver lining, so now we get a 5 issue mini, then a swift boot back to limbo.
Hey you know what.... 5 books are better than none.
I'm back on board, bring on Omega.
thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. Boy, I don't know how to express myself. :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ottawa Renegade
you know what scares me about the timing of this. either mike has another project he is jumping on, and they don't want to change creative teams this early, so make it a mini.........
or......
they recieved issue 1, didn't like it, then knocked it down to a mini.
If Oeming and Kolins jump on another series I will be annoyed.
If Oeming and Kolins jump on another series, it would be so that they could make a living. They have to play the cards that have been dealt by the company that they work for.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Mungi
neither are under exclusive marvel contracts.
No I wouldn't be made at them, but the executives for "giving" them their new jobs as they have the final say.
Excellent. Let's get DC to hire them to create a Canadian superhero team.Quote:
Originally Posted by varo
It's okay Syvalois. It's a good thing I'm not on a french board, because then my dialogue would be like 'Hello. Good bye. I can't understand a word that you're saying.'
So you're far ahead of me in that, no worries.
Ben, where are you? I wanna know what's going on...
I doubt anything is clear to Mr. Oeming yet. I doubt they have offered him and Mr. Kolins another title already. They asked to do Alpha Flight, they asked to do Omega Flight, they got what they wanted and then Quesada pulled the rug out from under them for no good reason. Sorry, but there is no good reason for the shortcutting. Neither Oeming nor Kolins is dying or sick, neither has asked to kill the book. Quesada made the obtuse call, he has to explain himself and try and pass off that it's either:
a) a trial run, if it sells well it will become an ongoing again, he got cold feet (A crock, but a crock he uses often)
b) a decision made to see interest but no plans for an ongoing, he never said it was an ongoing, he never 'lied'
c) a late decision due to some stupid-butt lie about some stupid-butt idea.
Bendis said great things, Millar said great things, Quesada said we'd be thrilled, Brevoort said it was ongoing, Schmidt said it would be great, Oeming and Kolins were pumped. Quesada lied.
People will say that "Well, they have to test the waters". BS. Like with Trash Excalibur, or Runaways (which sold terribly but was kept on the schedule for months by Quesada), or She-Hulk which sold as poorly as Lobdell Flight. He doesn't like Alpha Flight and never has. Maybe he's not alone at Marvel about that (but who beyond Brevoort would be on his side? Not Cebulski, Alonso, or Schmidt, Bendis, Millar,....who?).
Screw all the lame-butt excuses. They lied to us and lied to us I have no reason to believe they won't lie again. Quesada will simply say it's economics and pass the buck, no truthful explanation that he hates AF and doesn't want it to sell well.
It was Quesada who told J. Torres to take a flying leap after AF had been greenlit. It was Quesada who hired Lobdell and told him to turn AF into Tellytubbies. He greenlit the death of AF, off-panel. He knew what he was doing. He tried to deflect critism by saying "hey, don't fear, great things are in the works". Then Bendis and Millar convinced him to go with Omega Flight, and Quesada waited until he felt that he could get away with the pre-emptive cancelling.
Oeming and Kolins and Schmidt are trying to work out an ongoing, maybe Bendis and Millar are on their side. Whoever can, post at their boards and see what they say, do they enjoy being made fools of?
Will I buy Omega Flight? Probably, but I'd like assuarnces of it turning ongoing again, really fast, like Quesada said it was. If Quesada says, "Oh, hum and haw, it's a mini and deal with it, I need space for another She-Hulk title" then I will return to hating Marvel again. Publicly.
I've told Quesada: I won't buy Marvel anymore. I buy DC because they don't lie. I would buy Omega Flight, the ongoing, but you cancelled it already. My kids don't buy Marvel. I don't use Marvel characters in class but DC characters as teaching points. Because I like good comics, I like Alpha Flight, I was pumped for Omega Flight, and you screwed us. Your company doesn't want my money, my kids' money, my students' money. That's alot of money. Sucks to be you.
See what news we get. 5 issues and then back to bastardization?
Incredible post Mokole, really I mean that
Also with all the BS going on at Marvel, I predominetly have switched to DC. My Marvel pull-list is small in margain compared to what i get from DC
Once again great post Mokole.
Great post Mokole, I've been considering it for a while now, and now if an Omega Flight ongoing doesn't get approved after the mini I may just slash my Marvel buying alot, leaving me probably only with X-Factor (until David leaves,) the Ennis GR mini, and maybe Runaways assuming Whedon delivers and manages to keep a tighter schedule than he does on Astonishing.
besides, this is supposedly the year of spiderman, and I can honestly say that I care about spiderman not at all, so it clearly won't be the year of me buying marvel.
(I do have to wonder about how Joe Q makes his decisions about comics though... Did anybody really ask for an Xmen/Power pack mini? Was that testing the waters?) And I'm tired of JoeyQ making excuses about his duplicity, when he always says "I'm sorry you feel that way," and then proceeds to deny or blame someone else. Nobody is going to trust marvel anymore, it started with their false covers. (Putting people on covers that don't show up and suggesting they will.) Then moving to false solicitations (saying people will show up in an issue but don't.) Then moving to false advertising, (saying an ongoing comic will show up in stores when it won't.)
But what really burns me about Marvel is the fact that this went down AFTER Choosing Sides. The only reason I bought that book was because of its relavence to Omega Flight. If it had been decided that OF was a mini I wouldn't have bought it and I don't think alot of others would have either.
Isn't Daughters of the Dragon a whole different premise than HFH? I mean as far as the DOTD being a duo and HFH being a team of five(or so).Quote:
Originally Posted by dgrjr2000
Ditto for Madrox...Jamie being a single hero, while X-Factor is a team book.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgrjr2000
Uh...Except...They killed the wrong team!Quote:
Originally Posted by dgrjr2000
Gah....Why didn't they kill Ben Grimm?!Quote:
Originally Posted by dgrjr2000
Dana :wink:
Another reason why they should get a great creative team together and launch a new AF series featuring Wolverine (just to kick it off)...Maybe make X-23 a member? I'm mostly joking, but hey...It might work...Maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokole
Dana
It's now tuesday... what was the monday announcement everyone was talking about, i have no idea where to look :?
here you go, Dynasty...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynasty
http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtop...848&highlight=
Can I just say something as a moderator here;
Can we keep the bashing of Quesada, Austen and other creators for places other than here.
In the case of Quesada; relating to the downgrading of the series.
a) They're not his personal characters
b) It's not his personal company
c) He's not the sole decision maker of the company
d) It's not his money behind the company
e) We have no idea at all what his opinion was, for all we know he could have voted against the downgrading but been outvoted.
For the record, I'm equally as bummed as most of you, but witchhunts and insults aren't the answer.
Pre-ordering, advertising, spreading the news could possibly be.
Let's get some pre-order OF banners in sigs wherever people post, let's order copies at multiple shops rather than just multiple copies at single shops...
This will be the comic that brings me back into the fold - whether it be a mini or an ongoing. I'm excited and I've not been excited for a long time. And having MAO on this title is just plain great.
BUT...
Who did the cover of #1? It looks rather Liefeldian (sorta) and I am a bit scandalised by the extreme low and high cut nature of Elizabeth Twoyoungmen's 'costume'.