Hello, Jeffries!
I REALLY wish JB had stuck around and used Madison more. What a great character and a perfect fit alongside Box/Bochs.
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/f....asp?TID=23059
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Hello, Jeffries!
I REALLY wish JB had stuck around and used Madison more. What a great character and a perfect fit alongside Box/Bochs.
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/f....asp?TID=23059
I find the review of those stories very interesting, particulary, I must admit, Byrne comments. The insider,/creator view really make you see some aspect never suspected.
Thanks
Well, I did not read all these forums, except for the one on Issue # 12.
I almost wish that i had not bothered to read it. Byrne's revelations were...disturbing.
I have nothing against John Byrne. I just think that he and I have very different visions for Alpha Flight. Even though he created them, I am the one who loves them passionately, and he...well, read for yourself, and you might start thinking like i do, that to him, they were just fodder, something to do so that nobody else would write them, but nothing he was really that interested in.
Sad, really.
Listening to his comments, somehow...hurts. Makes me feel like i have been punched in the gut by my bestest friend.
As much as I love John for creating Alpha Flight, and as much as I think the first year and a bit writing them was massively and immensely intense and ground-breaking...
...I really do not wish to hear anything from him.
I know, i know, i am complaining about hearing from JB, when i myself am the one who went and read his forum about Issue 12! Well, lesson learned; I won't do it again.
I am not mad. I have no strength to be mad, he sucked it all out of me with his words and his lack of caring...
sigh
:( :? :(
Do you mean his revelation about Heather, concerning Mac's death? I thought that was obvious....Nothing new there. I guess him just saying it makes you actually think about it. It was an accident...And I never gave it much thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
I hear you...I'm always disappointed when John voices his feelings about Alpha Flight. He always belittles his work on the book, but it was some of his best. He tosses them away as one-shot characters that should only have been used as adversaries and not as a real team of heroes (let alone, getting their own book). What he doesn't seem to get is that they've become comic legends and granted they're not anywhere as big as Wolverine, but he started exactly the same way...An adversary created to survive a fight with the Hulk. What I don't really get is that JoeQ doesn't see them as the comic greatness they once were...He apparently only sees them as cannon-fodder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
Yes, and No. No, I admit that I had never before blamed Heather for Mac's death. I, too, thought that Mac would never have survived the encounter anyways, regardless of whether she showed up at that moment or not.Quote:
Do you mean his revelation about Heather, concerning Mac's death? I thought that was obvious....Nothing new there. I guess him just saying it makes you actually think about it. It was an accident...And I never gave it much thought.
To know that Byrne planned this whole thing, before the series ever began...that's just too much. To know that he thought so little of these characters, that he only took on the project so that nobody else would use his characters...To see Alpha's creator as nothing more than a petulant child, saying "Fine, you want a comic with these characters, then I will do it, nobody else! But you have forced me to use them, so now I am gonna screw with 'em, I am gonna kill their leader in the first year, and leave his widow to hang cruelly in the wind after having not only witnessed his death but accidentally caused it." Man, to me that is just...nasty. See, unlike to JB, these are PEOPLE to me! Like family. And I do not like the casual and flippant way he plays God with them. To me, JB seems to be taking on more of the characteristics of Loki - brilliant, but totally evil, a petulant and sulking child who hates everyone. And I say this, having just recently read, for the first time, Thor Dissamsembled, with the whole Ragnarok thing and the death of the norse gods...
Beyond that, there were many disturbing little comments that he made. But the most visually horrific was the discussion of Mac's burning skull. To see JB draw it in on that panel...shudder...again, something I did not want to see, but something that I had to watch anyways, like driving by a horrific car accident and slowing down so you can stare. That was too much.
It is ALL too much.
Goodbye, John Byrne. Thanks for creating something that was so much bigger than your temper tantrum and childishness. Something that will outlive you.
But I do not want to hear any of your words, ever again.
Long live the Flight!
I hear you, Flightpath. I'm always saddened whenever I read John Byrne's comments regarding Alpha Flight. I've always thought that Alpha Flight is the best work he's ever done, (besides his Uncanny X-Men and Fantastic Four runs). The 80's were a golden time for John Byrne.
Since then, I've tried to get into other comics that he's worked on, and have been unable to do so. And I honestly tried to like these books, and gave them a real chance, but...nothing.
Maybe, it's just AF prejudice, :wink: but I really think his work has gone downhill since then. It seems to have lost its spark and originality.
Alpha Flight was and is gold, and it's a shame that John Byrne doesn't see it that way.
It is sad really that JoeQ is able to decide if he doesnt like a character or in htis case a team that he can just have a writer get rid of them instead of getting a quality team to write and draw it.Quote:
I hear you...I'm always disappointed when John voices his feelings about Alpha Flight. He always belittles his work on the book, but it was some of his best. He tosses them away as one-shot characters that should only have been used as adversaries and not as a real team of heroes (let alone, getting their own book). What he doesn't seem to get is that they've become comic legends and granted they're not anywhere as big as Wolverine, but he started exactly the same way...An adversary created to survive a fight with the Hulk. What I don't really get is that JoeQ doesn't see them as the comic greatness they once were...He apparently only sees them as cannon-fodder.
Welcome to the forums beddy :D I agree with your stance on JoeQ. Good buisness men dont let their natural predjudice guide their actions. If JoeQ was a good buisness man. He would have recognized the success of the Omega Flight mini(that was supposed to be ongoing but I digress) and gave the fans a good Alpha based book when the idea was fresh in their heads. Im still holding out hope for some good news after the MCP story is over. But Im not holding my breath.
Probaby a good idea not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dfense75
Dana
Well, I am holding my breath! And, in the spirit of things, I changed my Avatar to show that! :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
What do you think, is it too much? :roll:
LOL....Feeling blue?
Dana
Big Mac attack in issue 17.
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/f....asp?TID=23200
Quote:
Walter's thoughts on Aurora being a mutant made him a little
less likable. Maybe I am reading him wrong, but he sounds like he's
ashamed for her and would rather conceal her nature.
That is an interesting insight into the character of Walter and one that up until now I would not have guessed. I am really enjoying those threads over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Byrne
This is the issue that started me as an AF fan and Guardian fan.
I remember picking this up mainly because it had Wolverine and being lik 'HOLY Spit, that dude just wrecked Wolverine!"
Hee hee hee... While I was reading the Byrne #17 thread, Canadian Idiot started playing on my iPod! :D 8)
- Le Messor
"What kind of freaks are that polite?"
- the above song
Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
???
Should i be offended now?
No? How about now?
Not yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
First, you should know that it's 'Weird Al' Yankovic's parody of Green Day's American Idiot.
Okay, now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
- Le Messor
"Are we there yet?"
"You tell me. You're driving."
Maybe it would help if I knew that song, but I do not.Quote:
First, you should know that it's 'Weird Al' Yankovic's parody of Green Day's American Idiot.
I am quite a Weird Al fan, though, so I'll give ya a free pass on this one.
Then here.
Ah. Got it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
Not the album, mind you. It is getting harder to buy all the music you want to anymore, so I mainly stick just to the stuff I really love. Or I pirate it, of course. Pirating is the new buying, right?
Nice lyrics. Insightful. And mainly correct.
I always figured Weird Al was Canadian for some reason. Was very sad when I found out he was not. He seems Canadian, though, eh? That aboot right?
:lol:
Talisman Rising in issue 18
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/f....asp?TID=23349
And the hits continue! :D I love Elizabeth Twoyoungmen, and the scenes with Snowbird were also great, (enjoyed seeing her as a bunny rabbit).
I just thought of something. What's going to happen when you reach Alpha Flight vol 1, #28? Will you continue with the series, or end it there, since what you're showing us is the John Byrne run?
Since it's the Byrne forum, I'm stopping with issue 28 (I like to think the series ended there, anyway :wink: ). After that, I'll move on to a new title and continue the Thursday reading clubs.
Personally, I thought this was maybe the worst issue in Byrne's run. The inking was a huge disappointment, especially after seeing Byrne and Austin the month before. The story is basically just a set-up for 19 and revealing the soon-to-be Talisman (who I LOVED) to the readers.
Not me, I think the circus storyline was worst, a lot worst. I like this issue for the little details, the introduction to Talisman and it did show Byrne was from Calgary (I think), you really had a feel for the city, which is really rare in AF run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Maxwell
Into the past, #19
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/f....asp?TID=23502
This is one of my all-time favorite Alpha Flight issues. A great time-travel story, and a fun mix of characters: Shaman, Snowbird, Puck, and Talisman. I always liked the introduction of Talisman, (especially Snowbird's reaction to her). I would have liked to have seen Elizabeth and Narya's relationship developed a bit more.
Golden Girl, issue 20
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/f....asp?TID=23647
The end of Gilded Lily, issue 21
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/f....asp?TID=23783
Looking forward, sadly, to the meeting between Snowbird and Sasquatch. It's been building for several issues and the payoff is stunning.
She's big and pink
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/f....asp?TID=23929
She's also fat and stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Maxwell
One of Byrne's laziest and saddest issues ever, IMHO.
Well, wait till the next issue. Now that one's a classic! :wink:
I didn't have that problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
Can she fly? I got that she could, or maybe that's a really big leap. (Could somebody ask? I've decided it'd be best if I didn't join the Byrne forum.)
- Le Messor
"Experience is what causes a person to make new mistakes instead of old ones."
I think that's a really really big leap allowed cos she's got very muscular and not fat legs. It's all muscle you see, unlike Miss Mass who was prolly a lard arse or not, depending on political correctness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
That's one of the things I liked about Byrne's run; he played with types like that. Pink Pearl, a classic 'Fat Lady' who can 'fly through the air with the greatest of ease' (jumping or flying; I still think she got pretty high for somebody who couldn't fly and didn't have any hash handy); Wild Child, a clawed, healing-factor psycho Wolverine clone*, who talks like a college professor.
* do NOT take literally!
- Le Messor
Prosecutor: Dr. Stone, would you give the court your impression of Mr. Striker?
Dr. Stone: I'm sorry, I don't do impressions... my training is in psychiatry.
- Flying High
Sigh...Issue 23. Poor Walter!
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/f....asp?TID=24099
This is the issue I've been waiting for. A classic! (And the next --double-- issue, #24, is equally good.) What more can I say? Thanks for running these, Ryan.
Thanks Ryan...Does the "I was right" dance again....Whooo-Hooo! :D
That scene where she rips his heart out still bugs the **** out of me to this day. It killed me when I first read it years back.
Walter. Box. Changes! Issue 24, it's a beast!
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/f....asp?TID=24259
(Sorry, birdygirl, I had to drop some pages with Snowbird on them. I can't post them all) :(