new maxi series................alpha flight!!!!

Read it all here (in a more organized fashion)...
http://marvel.com/news/story/15200/a...light_liveblog

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Originally Posted by Phil

More here; http://www.multiversitycomics.com/20...-fred-van.html

According to this article, everything that happened in the Chaos Wars has been undone (except for those dead folks who've been resurrected, they're still alive)....That means both Narya's godly family and the Great Beasts are alive again.

Dana

Oh my goooooood, this creative team, I can't even. There are writers I prefer at Marvel right now and there are (very very few) artists I prefer, but for my money, this is the single best writers/artist team I can think of since... a very long time. Milligan/Allred X-Force, maybe.

So awesome.

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Originally Posted by Tawmis

Shaman's yellow design at the top of his shirt is different... but not by much? Or am I missing something else? And how does Marrina look different?

Shaman has facepaint on, and Marrina isnt as big but its her haircut thats different

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Shaman has facepaint on...

I'm not seeing it, but it wouldn't be the first time. I notice his costume has 'fangs'.

The following is based on my email to The Master when he sent me the news yesterday (I didn't have time to read this thread when I got home last night) :

:) I wonder if that's something I'll pick up?

I note Aurora's using her gold costume from later Byrne issues.

I'll start with the negatives, because I swing that way.
Certain things fill me with trepidation:

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Originally Posted by Comic Book Resources

The hard right fascist government story hook didn't hurt, the writers explained.

*sigh*, at least they're not working for them, or this'd be v2 all over again. Just once I'd love to see them do something actually daring and original, though - like a hard left government that's just as bigoted and hateful as a right - only with the opposite targets.

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it fits right in with the 'Fear Itself' story line,

Ugh. And, I'll probably have to pick that up, too.

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Originally Posted by Comic Book Resources

Pak said he had multiple copies of the "Alpha Flight" relaunch by John Byrne
and
noting that this will be the first appearance of the original team working together as one force on the page maybe ever

These are quibbles, but it causes a slight worry in that it shows a lack of knowledge of their history, which could bite them later.
Byrne has never relaunched Alpha Flight, and they have worked together on the page before - at least, the team as it'll appear in this book has (#s 3-5).

Things which fill me with much hope:

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Originally Posted by Comic Book Resources

Alpha Flight

'nuff said.

YYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Comic Book Resources

overall he (Northstar) will become a full-time Canadian again.

Does that mean I can stop picking up Uncanny? Please, please take Madison Jeffries, too! (He was a Byrne character.)

Neither:

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Originally Posted by Comic Book Resources

Asked whether the book will feel a bit dated,

I hope so!!!!!!!!!

Comments:

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Originally Posted by CBR Comments

each time the fans have said, we don't just want a team with the name Alpha Flight on the cover, we want the originals back...

Were they quoting me, I wonder? (It's something I've said online multiple times, and my kind of phrasing.)

I love Anxy's comment on page 3.

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Originally Posted by CBR Comments

I'm going to have to buy it because it's their last shot but I'm just not that interested.

It's *always* their last shot. At least Marvel hasn't (that I know of) said this yet.

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Originally Posted by CBR Comments

It's not so much ignoring what came later, as not referencing it.

Uh, the difference being...?

Not from my email:
I'm so excited! I just can't hide it! I'm about to lose control, and I think I like it!

Look at Shaman's cheeks...he has three red lines on both sides

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0...ight_super.jpg

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Originally Posted by Phil

The key quote for me, over on the newsarama link

The key quote for me, as indicated above, is in both links:
"Alpha Flight".

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Originally Posted by Van Lente

I'm the world's biggest Alpha Flight nerd.

Hey! There are a few of us here who would love to take that challenge! Phil, Rplass, me, Hank Pym?...
(and that's just going by number of appearances we own...)

- Le Messor
"I have a memory like a hawk."
~ overheard in a store

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Originally Posted by -K-M-

Look at Shaman's checks...he has three red lines on both sides

Sorry, I was looking at the other picture, not the Chaos Wars cover. Those lines are pretty obvious, and I'd be pretty dumb to miss them. I blame the fact I'm keeping my eyes crossed for this new series.

- Le Messor
Calvin: I have a question.
Dad: Sure Calvin. What do you want to know?
Calvin: If you plugged up your nose and mouth right before you sneezed, would the sneeze go out your eyes, or would your head explode?
Dad: I was kind of hoping you had a math problem or something.
Calvin: ... Either way I'm scared to try it.

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IThese are quibbles, but it causes a slight worry in that it shows a lack of knowledge of their history, which could bite them later.
Byrne has never relaunched Alpha Flight, and they have worked together on the page before - at least, the team as it'll appear in this book has (#s 3-5).

I wouldn't be surprised if those quibbles were caused by CBR paraphrasing Pak's actual answers.

As for the lack of war paint; that's easily explained. War paint is for war. Chaos War. Now it's just an Alpha Flight series; no more war.

I can't even remember if Shaman actually WORE the War Paint within the issues of Chaos War, or if it was just the cover, for that matter...?

The cover was by Salva Espin and the interior by Reilly Brown, so the cover doesn't represent the inside.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dale...ht-110216.html

DALE EAGLESHAM Heads Home for New Marvel ALPHA FLIGHT Series

Well, Fred answered my question on Facebook about Talisman appearing and he gave me the old "wait and see" answer.

*looks up to the sky*

VAN LENTE!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

The key quote for me, as indicated above, is in both links:
"Alpha Flight".

Hey! There are a few of us here who would love to take that challenge! Phil, Rplass, me, Hank Pym?...
(and that's just going by number of appearances we own...)

- Le Messor
"I have a memory like a hawk."
~ overheard in a store

Lol...yes...I take that challenge!!

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Well, Fred answered my question on Facebook about Talisman appearing and he gave me the old "wait and see" answer.

*looks up to the sky*

VAN LENTE!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it will focus on the original team. But I can almost be assured that Talisman will at least APPEAR - probably not any kind of big role - but she was a huge part of Shaman and everything that does with him. So I'd be VERY surprised if they didn't have at least SOME interaction with her.

Nobody has commented on Puck yet. If you read the various quotes about him, they say they ar having trouble geting to use him becuz he is being used elsewhere. They also say that he will be in the series. Amd they also say that the Alpha Flight team is the 8 people who were brought together in the one-shot. Yet, again, they say that it is Byrne's original team, all working together for the first time since their first appearance.

Sounds like Puck may appear, but not as a teammate. Perhaps his role in Hell sets him up for a (villain?) role in Fear Itself?

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Nobody has commented on Puck yet. If you read the various quotes about him, they say they ar having trouble geting to use him becuz he is being used elsewhere. They also say that he will be in the series. Amd they also say that the Alpha Flight team is the 8 people who were brought together in the one-shot. Yet, again, they say that it is Byrne's original team, all working together for the first time since their first appearance.

Sounds like Puck may appear, but not as a teammate. Perhaps his role in Hell sets him up for a (villain?) role in Fear Itself?

Well Puck didn't come back in Chaos War, and he doesn't appear on the cover we see of the new series... so I fear we won't have Puck be on the team. And since they're going with a clean slate, I doubt they're going to bring Puck back in the series...

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Originally Posted by Tawmis

As for the lack of war paint; that's easily explained. War paint is for war. Chaos War. Now it's just an Alpha Flight series; no more war.

I can't even remember if Shaman actually WORE the War Paint within the issues of Chaos War, or if it was just the cover, for that matter...?

Just the cover, never in the issue.

From my blog...

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While FVL says they are having difficulty in getting Puck released to them for this series, Pak somewhat contradicted this by saying that if the readers buy it and read it expecting to see Puck, they might be quite happy. They heavily hint that Puck will appear in the series…but nowhere is he listed as a part of the Alpha Flight team…

I think we can expect 'some' appearance by Puck in the maxi-series at least. Also, we should be looking for him elsewhere, as he is apparently being used elsewhere, and I tend to think that it is in the Fear Itself event.

Old school storytelling + New school production values = A new day for Alpha Flight

Allllrighty then!

This means I actually have a reason to go to the comic store, again.

Rats!

(not as) Disgruntled, (not as) Frustrated, (old-school) Alphan; (former) Omegan candidate

[QUOTE=Le Messor;77318]Sorry, I was looking at the other picture, not the Chaos Wars cover. Those lines are pretty obvious, and I'd be pretty dumb to miss them. I blame the fact I'm keeping my eyes crossed for this new series.

That's better than saying you were looking at his other cheeks:p.

DIGGER

Bendis strikes again on his Twitter account...

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sorry to announce the new alpha flight already died off panel in new avengers. it happened in between the gamefly and and the back cover :)

Seriously, he said it.

This is crazy

Like some others, I didn't visit for a while and came back to this. This is awesome!
I guess I will be the one to bring up the elephant in the room though. They are finally testing the theory that has been bandied around so much - that the fans want the original Alpha Flight, not imposters, and that is what will sell. I certainly hope so. If this doesn't sell, I doubt Marvel will bother with Alpha Flight again for a LONG time, if ever.
Souds exciting though - looking forward to it! May can't come soon enough...

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Originally Posted by Ahab

They are finally testing the theory that has been bandied around so much - that the fans want the original Alpha Flight, not imposters

It only took them three relaunches in twenty years. ;)

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Originally Posted by Ahab

Like some others, I didn't visit for a while and came back to this. This is awesome!
I guess I will be the one to bring up the elephant in the room though. They are finally testing the theory that has been bandied around so much - that the fans want the original Alpha Flight, not imposters, and that is what will sell. I certainly hope so. If this doesn't sell, I doubt Marvel will bother with Alpha Flight again for a LONG time, if ever.
Souds exciting though - looking forward to it! May can't come soon enough...

So do your part and buy more than 1 copy! Buy at least 2! And if you have a friend, get it for them too! :-D

Remember, if you're buying multiple copies, be sure to tell your comic shop beforehand so they order more. Those are the numbers that count!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

I think I actually teared up a little there. I love Aurora's yellow costume and hair, so I wouldn't really mind if she went back to it. Marrina is looking very bestial, so I'm willing to bet that they will be exploring her rage, a hint of which was shown in the Chaos War oneshot.

So excited!!!

They said in the interview that one or two of the team may be on the fascists' side. Who, now, could be the ones they want to be the 'spies'? After all, the new god of Chaos/Fear isn't playing favorites.

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Originally Posted by Phil

I wouldn't be surprised if those quibbles were caused by CBR paraphrasing Pak's actual answers.

Those are all very good points! You're probably right.

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Originally Posted by Tawmis

As for the lack of war paint; that's easily explained. War paint is for war. Chaos War. Now it's just an Alpha Flight series; no more war.

Not sure it needs explaining... As others have said, it's a cover-only thing (I only questioned it because I'd looked at a different cover, and was asking what paint we were talking about).

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Originally Posted by Tawmis

I think it will focus on the original team. But I can almost be assured that Talisman will at least APPEAR

Some part of me keeps expecting stuff like this because I keep forgetting it's limited.
Has unbridled optimism overtakien memory?

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

Nobody has commented on Puck yet.

Well, he's lord of Hell now, which makes him the devil. The devil is red. Therefore, he's a red dwarf.
That means he's in stasis for 3,000,000 years and will wake up as the last human surrounded by a hologram and a cat.

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sorry to announce the new alpha flight already died off panel in new avengers. it happened in between the gamefly and and the back cover

Too soon, man, too soon! Not. Funny.

- Le Messor
"I have flabby thighs, but fortunately my stomach covers them."

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Ha, I totally buggered out of here for a while because the ridiculous negativity was driving me crazy...

I'm truly sorry to hear that, especially since I'm one of the worst offenders.
Din't mean to drive other fans away.

That said, I stand by what I said before: "Hello."

- Le Messor
"I have gotten that dreaded furniture disease. That's when your chest is falling into your drawers!"

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Too soon, man, too soon! Not. Funny.

Even if it wasn't too soon, I still have two points to make about this;

1) Not ever, not if your name is Bendis.

2) FVL needs to tell him to shut his trap. How dare he ridicule the book that FVL is writing, before it even hits the stands? If you can't say something positive (and when it comes to Alpha, Bendis has proven that he cannot), then say nothing. And because this particular negative vibe is coming from Bendis, see #1 again.

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

1) Not ever, not if your name is Bendis.

By 'too soon', I meant 'while I still draw breath'... and given the evidence that I'm immortal...

Bendis doesn't like Alpha Flight, so I'd expect this sort of snark from him. If he gets the chance, he'll probably kill them off again.

Dana

Thanks to whoever deleted my other post on Bendis.

Flightpath07, you make a good point- who the hell cracks on another writer's book like that? Low class.

Bendis really came out on the wrong side here: no one is gushing over how amazing and exciting it was that he killed AF in New Avengers #16. No one praised him for a clever and well-written sequence of panels with thoughtful and realistic dialogue. No one looks back and cherishes that issue as a favorite moment in comic fandom.

Meanwile, everyone since the Jiminez variant cover, and especially for McCANn's Chaos War:Alpha Flight one shot, and now the new maxi series, everone has praise and good things to say about FVL, Pak and Eaglesham. The buzz and excitement is so positive and the future looks bright for the 1st issue.

He really needs to apologize to the creative team of the new book, the fans need to marginalize him for this abominable behaviorand his legacy as a "writer" speaks for itself - disdain and deserved acrimony follows one guy while cheers, smiley faces and hope follow others.

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That's better than saying you were looking at his other cheeks:p.

Well, I do believe in turning the other cheek!

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Flightpath07, you make a good point- who the hell cracks on another writer's book like that? Low class.

Not to mention that us fans are still reeling from his actions.

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disdain and deserved acrimony follows one guy while cheers, smiley faces and hope follow others.

And something I'll just call 'the thing' follows me... but that's another story.

- Le Messor
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."

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Bendis really came out on the wrong side here: no one is gushing over how amazing and exciting it was that he killed AF in New Avengers #16. No one praised him for a clever and well-written sequence of panels with thoughtful and realistic dialogue. No one looks back and cherishes that issue as a favorite moment in comic fandom.

I'm pretty sure that was kind of the point. It was just a joke, guys. Bendis isn't exactly my favourite person, either, but these guys goof on each other all the time, I doubt his comment was meant in a mean-spirited way. The team that he unceremoniously offed to widespread disdain is back with a high-profile maxi, so he poked fun at his own actions. Not that big a deal.

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It was just a joke, guys. Bendis isn't exactly my favourite person, either, but these guys goof on each other all the time, I doubt his comment was meant in a mean-spirited way.

I agree with you that's probably the intent; I'm just getting a 'salt. wound.' feel here.
To put it another way:

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Thanks for bringing up such a painful memory. Why don't you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it while you're at it?

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Never read of any outcry from a rash number of fans demanding the return of Alpha Flight.

We've been negligent! How could a comics reader out there not have heard out outcry?
We're fans, we're rash!

- Le Messor
"I have no time to shop, yet my hair and fingernails continue to grow. So, what's the diff?"
~ Buffy, on death and her life

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I agree with you that's probably the intent; I'm just getting a 'salt. wound.' feel here.

Oh, I definitely get that. I was making :[ faces over his comment, too, I just think calls for his head on a platter are a touch excessive, lol.

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We've been negligent! How could a comics reader out there not have heard out outcry?
We're fans, we're rash!

At least Marvel heard it, heh.

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Oh, I definitely get that. I was making :[ faces over his comment, too, I just think calls for his head on a platter are a touch excessive, lol.

Just a touch.
:-?

Its been 24 hours since I heard that Alpha Flight was returning with the original lineup san Puck.

I'm still stunned.