I'm going for 'That's not really Gary Cody!'
Also 'you and me both know there's no film in this camera!'
- Le Messor
"I shall tell you a great secret, my friend. Do not wait for the last judgment, it takes place every day."
~ Albert Camus
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I'm going for 'That's not really Gary Cody!'
Also 'you and me both know there's no film in this camera!'
- Le Messor
"I shall tell you a great secret, my friend. Do not wait for the last judgment, it takes place every day."
~ Albert Camus
Wait a minute, hold the phone! Is Mik filming a live-action movie of the comic?! (if so, I vote he gets some film in there)
Oh, no, we're shooting the whole thing that way. It's the experimental new wave. Emphasis on 'mental'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
So many jokes, so little time...Quote:
Emphasis on 'mental'.
I never really understood the lack of confidence thing with Mac. His own government sent him to retrieve Wolverine as his very first mission. Wolverine. His own government.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaVeO
And Mac knocked him out.
It makes sense...Mac nearly killed Moira (a civilian) on that first mission (he even felt he failed with Logan, because Logan left), He thought Marrina was ready for Alpha Flight and she nearly killed Puck, He misjudged whether Aurora/Jeanne Marie's MPD would be a liability to the team and he didn't let her team-mates (or even her brother) know about her problem and he inadvertently leads Alpha into a trap (and endangers his wife) at the World Trade Center (Issues 11 and 12) when Omega Flight ambushes them, then he is killed trying to disable his suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Sounds like a recipe for a lack of confidence stew to me.
Dana
As Dana's about to tell you, the problem is Wolverine's not the only one he knocked out. And that's terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
The rest I agree with, but as you point out immediately after this one he was a bit busy being dead to stew in unconfidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
Needs more salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
And neuro-peptides.
- Le Messor
Buffy: I think we need to get him some fresh blood.
Willow: Do you want me to kill Anya?
Excellent points, especially the Moira incident. Very valid. Yet, after accepting the responsibility of helping to defend Canada, I thought that Mac would at least be a little ticked that his own government assigned him to go into the U.S. to get his friend....a very dangerous friend. The "influencers" may have something to do with it, and if so that element would make sense, as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
I've never really understood why Alpha Flight was so close to imploding either, but I don't want this POLL thread to concern itself with that. I think Dana has explained it so I can understand Mac's ambivalence a bit better.
I agree there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
The oft-forgotten Influencer seemed to be Roxxon's thing, not Canada's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Delphine makes a reference to 'Excellent, the Influencer is working perfectly'.
- Le Messor
"I think, therefore I am. I think."
Also there was the death of St Elmo & Groundhog's quitting to add to Mac's confidence. If we're counting retcons that is.
More the reasons for the quitting than the quitting itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
Also, whatever happened to Stitch could've added to it.
- Le Messor
Calvin: By the time we add an introduction, a few illustrations, and a conclusion, it will look like a graduate thesis. Besides, I've got a secret weapon that will guarantee a good grade! No teacher can resist this! A clear plastic binder! Pretty professional looking, eh?
Hobbes: I don't want co-author credit on this, OK?
Giddy or not about his first mission to go after Wolverine, he also failed in it. Alpha Flight failed again to obtain Logan when they ambushed the X-Men in Calgary. He also probably feels he failed with Beta and Gamma Flights (who became Omega)...He doesn't know that Delphine and Jaxon were using some device to "influence" the Omegans. I mentioned the "leading Alpha into a trap" and his death, he must remember all of that...He was perfectly conscious up until his suit blew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
Failing to re-obtain Wolverine twice and his perceived failure with the other tiers of Department H must weigh on him (added to the other weights I mentioned in the other post).
Dana
I never thought about that, but you're probably right. He would think, other than Bochs, that all the Betans/Gammans didn't just dislike him, but hated him enough to turn on and kill him.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
How come this poll doesn't have the choice "Me" ?
FP?...I-it can't be...Y-you're the betrayer?! Get him! :x
Dana
Everybody dog pile on FP!!!
Well, other than Bochs and Madison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
Never fully got why he 'knows' that Bochs wasn't evil. Well, I know why Mac knows, but why everybody else knows when Mac died before telling anyone.
The fact that Bochs was tied up... maybe. But the bad guys could've done that to absolve him - Bochs could possibly have done it himself. He's one of the few characters who could do super-powered shenanigans while tied up.
FP, we trusted you!
- LM
"I think, therefore I am paid."
For shame! Shame on you all! (luckily for you, I have an off-panel death scene set up for issue 8, right after Mac is revealed to be a killer cyborg with the brain of Galactus, and every single Marvel character stops by to say how much they are going to enjoy having an Avengers North, and Wolverine acts like he doesn't even know Alpha Flight - good times!).
I was tempted to put Scott Lobdell as a choice...
To obvious, plus he's betrayed them before, AF#106 ( :rolleyes: ) and Vol 3. Do they have the three strikes rule in Canada?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
Yes. But in the Canadian version of this law, after your third strike you get a hug from a Member of Parliament and a coupon for a free coffee and donut at Tim Horton's.Quote:
Do they have the three strikes rule in Canada?
I think I've figured out who the betrayer is! :cool:
From all the clues that FVL has given us, I think the betrayer is: a new, male personality of Aurora's.
I... actually get free coffee and donuts at Tim's. Crap, am I the Betrayer?
That being said, I had to vote the last option. I love the original AF characters and I'd rather not see any of them turn their back on us.
I agree, whole-heartedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajorMountie
I now believe it to be Northstar.
We know it's a male member. With the X-Men he would seem to have found a place where he feels comfortable, he has his sister with him etc. Now Alpha are back he could see that world disappearing. Aurora drifting away from him towards the team and Sas. Given his background he would be the least likely, so by law of averages...
I don't think so.
I think JP would be too obvious a choice given his past, his ties to the X-Men, his boyfriend being involved etc.
I reckon Shaman.
(Today anyway...)
I'm gonna stick with Northstar for now, likely to change again at some point :-). He's the one with the least connections to Alpha, Aurora/Sas, Shaman/Snowbird, Mac/Heather and Marrina would just be happy to be back and with Alpha. If Cody gave Northstar the right incentive then I can see how he would relcutantly agree to lead 'Alpha Strike'.
Or Not :confused:
Yeah, I just think he's too obvious.
No-one's mentioned Shaman at all so far so it'd be a shock.
My guess (today) to Alpha Strike is it's led by Talisman & Persuasion. Which could be why Shaman turns traitor *shrugs*
Listening to the Podcast doesn't help :-). The comment about the team splintering just muddies the water. I'm gonna give up trying to figure it, it hurts my head. I just want that issue in my hands A.S.A.P. :cool:
I'm never right about these things.
I just like to ooh and ahh at the pretty pictures.
Me neither, I don't think I've ever got an Alpha conundrum right. I like you shall just fawn over the pretty pictures [/swoon]
Well, it has now been mentioned that there is tension between Mac and Heather over their baby. Seems likely that IF the government has their little girl, Heather'd be most likely to do anything said government asked to get her child back; it's a motherly thing, or so i am told.
Ditto for Northstar, if we are right and Purple Woman has absconded his boyfriend.
Motherly thing? You were told wrong. Only moms love their kids, not dads? What?
Yes, you hit a nerve. Dads make great parents too. Some of us are pretty good at it. Go see the movie Taken with Liam Neesom for proof.
If they do write Heather as the caring concerned mom and Mac as the uninterested, distant dad, I'm gonna be quite disappointed.
From a generalized view, perception is that mothers would probably go further in actions to protect a child. In comics we tend to deal with generalisation more than reality. There's plenty of examples were a father has sacrificed his life to protect that of a child.
I dont think the generalization is correct Dads are just as protective as moms. There are other generalizations in our society that are also wrong and would disappoint many of us if they were portrayed in a comic book .
Not meaning to touch any nerves here (isn't that a surgeon's job?); we have all heard of a mother's instinct, something ingrained into a woman from carrying a life within her for (up to) nine months.
A father's ability to protect his child at great lengths, would be based more upon something learned, rather than an instinct based mainly upon biology.
It may not ALWAYS hold true, but, in general, it does hold true most of the time. And, yes, i DO know mothers without those instincts (or at least not very strong ones).
NEVER, EVER, was it suggested that this has to do with loving a child more or less. And it was NEVER said by me that only mothers make good parents, either. Let's not find fault by putting words in one's mouth, okay? Again, if i hit a nerve, i am sorry i did so; but i still stand behind what i wrote. And, yes, i AM a loving father of one great girl.
The note that strikes me as off there is that -- no matter how much or how little attachment he has to AF -- JP's past as a political terrorist makes me think he'd rather strangle on barbed wire than put himself in a position where he has to be answerable to a government he loathes. I'm also starting to think that Walter might be too obvious a choice, ditto Mac. So I'm back to Puck or Shaman.Quote:
Originally Posted by DelBubs
Yeah I know the theory. Completely disagree with it. Let's move on though. Why don't we wait to see what happens with the baby before we start playing Nature vs. Nurture Smackdown, ok?!??!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
I think the betrayer will be Hedwig.
I totally missed that you'd whited out your thought in a spoile, and thought you were just messing about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
You may well be on to something there...
I'm not sure how likely it is if they're sticking closely with Byrne's work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
- Le Messor
"The hardest thing is writing a recommendation for someone we know."
~ Kin Hubbard