News you're not gonna like...

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Originally Posted by Phil

The only real confusing thing is the ongoing announcement.
Did Marvel genuinely think the #1 numbers would sell or were they just telling Canadian fans what they wanted to hear at the Con in order to avoid a weekend full of AF questions, because it was an easier option.

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I think it was a little of both. I believe they wanted to look good up here and get the people at the Expo excited enough to go out and buy more Alpha Flight, hoping to get the numbers increased.
I think its a rotten thing to play with Alpha fans like this. They dangled a carrot in front of us and then yanked it away when we didn't put enough money in their profit line.
I understand that, in the end, it's just business... but its an unethical business.
If they think that all Alpha fans will simply put their money into other Marvel books instead, they are mistaken. I just came back to Marvel after a 10 year absence because of this title. Since Alpha returned, I have also bought a few other titles to show my appreciation. But that loyalty only exists as long as Alpha is around.
This version of Alpha Flight is well-written, well-drawn, and extremely enjoyable to read. But when they are gone from Marvel... so am I.

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Originally Posted by Sasquatch17

I wonder if any Alphans will join the Avengers?

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Hopefully not (IMHO). We've already seen Alpha Flight as written by Bendis.

Dana

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Originally Posted by rplass

Though it does look as if Heather is killing Mac on the solicit for #8 of v4... sort of matches what Greg told me at NYCC that they are going to do something shocking. hmm...

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Mac dying is shocking? Haven't we seen that already?

My initial reaction to this news (which didn't come from this site) was 'maybe it's old copy'; ie: they were using a solicit written before the extension to on-going.

Del has now said more than once on this thread 'Freg have pretty much confirmed on twitter'; but what have they said, exactly? I'd like to hear from them or Wolfie?

- Le Messor
"If I don't see you in the future, I'll see you in the pasture."

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I understand that, in the end, it's just business... but its an unethical business.
If they think that all Alpha fans will simply put their money into other Marvel books instead, they are mistaken. I just came back to Marvel after a 10 year absence because of this title. Since Alpha returned, I have also bought a few other titles to show my appreciation. But that loyalty only exists as long as Alpha is around.
This version of Alpha Flight is well-written, well-drawn, and extremely enjoyable to read. But when they are gone from Marvel... so am I.

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Completely agree with Alpha East. I'm in the same boat. I came back to comics (and Marvel specifically) because of the news about Omega Flight. I stuck around, but now i am done with Marvel. I'll collect any Alpha stuff that is good and that i want to read and own, but other than that they can't have my money. Image and Dark Horse and DC can have it, but not Marvel, not any longer.

I'm alot like you FP07 I only collect two tiltes from Marvel AF and GR. That it. If Marvel wants my money they better make those series into ongoing ones and not canncel it after a few years as they did to the last GR, 35 issues then canned only to bring it back three years later because of the movie? Why not just keep it going? I guess it's better than nothing.

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I guess it's better than nothing.

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That quote, my friend, once uttered, brings about the ruin of civilizations.

Same here, guys. I only came back for Alpha, and was starting to consider buying some other titles, because I miss Marvel's characters. But man, just reading up on what's been going on with characters I liked is depressing enough to put me off. Canceling Alpha only a month or so after announcing it as an ongoing is pretty much the final nail in that coffin.

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

That quote, my friend, once uttered, brings about the ruin of civilizations.

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Can I be your fourth wife?

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Originally Posted by EccentricSage

...starting to consider buying some other titles, because I miss Marvel's characters. But man, just reading up on what's been going on with characters I liked is depressing enough to put me off.

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I keep hearing that... and yet, Marvel don't change their ways.
Then blame outside forces for comics selling less.

- Le Messor
"If happiness is in your destiny, you need not be in a hurry."

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

I keep hearing that... and yet, Marvel don't change their ways.
Then blame outside forces for comics selling less.

- Le Messor
"If happiness is in your destiny, you need not be in a hurry."

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That, and Marvel continues to hire dickheads who say in interviews that they don't care how fans feel about how characters are treated, because they will still buy the book for those characters. Which was confusing, as said character was killed off, ergo no longer a reason for said fans of said character to buy said book, but ... yeah... I shouldn't try to work out the logic behind Marvel anymore. Ow.

Then I read this:

"Alpha Flight always gets canceled. I've loved just about every Alpha Flight run there's been, but the book doesn't gain enough readers ever. It always gets canceled. I didn't even bother picking this up because I doubted it would even make it to issue 8"

Well, Zombie over easy, what do you expect? If you're not reading it, how can you expect it to have enough numbers to make it?

(I'm not about to join the site to tell him that, though... but if anyone here's a member...?)

- Le Messor
"If I am not for myself, who is for me? And when I am for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?"
~ Hillel The Elder

And therein lies the entire problem.

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Can I be your fourth wife?

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er...

hey! i've only been married TWICE! What the...!...

The way I got married was I went went up to a girl and said "You look like my 7th wife." and she said "How many times have you've been married?" and I said "Six."
So FP07 Don't feel bad, some of us have driven around the same block more than once. Damn Google maps keep telling me to make 4 right turns.

who's feeling bad? not me. "feeling bad" was my 2nd marriage; i'm single now, and enjoying life without any dating or women at all, just me and my daughter hanging out. been date-free for 2 years now.

Good piece at Bleeding Cool

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Originally Posted by Bleeding Cool

It’s not quite as general as Heidi implies though. It started with letterers, then colourists, then inkers – Marvel have asked creators to establish a lower rate they’ve dubbed “B-rate” along with their current rate. If the book a creator is on is currently selling below a certain threshold, the B-rate is used instead of the “A-rate.” They are of course told first and can chose to leave the book or stay depending on their circumstances. But this has effectively cut certain freelancers overall pay, for the same amount of work delivered. It has yet to touch pencillers or writers, however.

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

er...

hey! i've only been married TWICE! What the...!...

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LMAO Apparently there's a waiting list?

I could have sworn you said three once, but I bet I misread a joke or something. XD

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Originally Posted by EccentricSage

LMAO Apparently there's a waiting list?

I could have sworn you said three once, but I bet I misread a joke or something. XD

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Nope, just twice. Sorry, you'll have to go on the list. Luckily for you, my list is alphabetical, starting with E, so once i find and divorce that 3rd one, you'll be the first call i place!

(Mind you, the list for # 3 is wide open, so if ya wanna move up onto that one...)

Gee, I feel awkward, still with my one and only wife and 5 children....;)

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Originally Posted by Mokole

Gee, I feel awkward, still with my one and only wife and 5 children....;)

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Lol.

Oh, wait...you're SERIOUS?!??!

Just kidding. Good on ya! I got no problem with those that can make marriage work, really i do not! I was too immature when i married the first time (and my wife was far more screwed up than i realized, as well - but, it takes two to tango, so...), and definitely on-the-rebound the second time and chose unwisely (which is why I have been over two years without a woman, even a date - needed the time to find myself again and prioritize what was important and what wasn't; like Alpha Flight! lol). If there is a third time, God-willing, I'm giving it my all.

And if I need a fourth time, (a) it better be because number three died young, and (b) I know where EccentricSage lurks... :)

And if the fourth one dosen't work out you'll be incompition with me. But the way I go, I'll probably be on the 9th one by the end of the year.

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Originally Posted by Alpha Rider

And if the fourth one dosen't work out you'll be incompition with me. But the way I go, I'll probably be on the 9th one by the end of the year.

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I'm not sure whether to throw rice, or just get you a "My Condolences" card, lol. Ah well...life is what you make it, eh?

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

Nope, just twice. Sorry, you'll have to go on the list. Luckily for you, my list is alphabetical, starting with E, so once i find and divorce that 3rd one, you'll be the first call i place!

(Mind you, the list for # 3 is wide open, so if ya wanna move up onto that one...)

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Well, if you're ever in Chicago, I guess I've got a date. lol ;)

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

And if I need a fourth time, (a) it better be because number three died young, and (b) I know where EccentricSage lurks... :)

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Well ****, now I'm going to be watching over my shoulder for a guy in a save Alpha Flight t-shirt. *checks tree outside window*

Actually, look for a guy in a "Save the Trees" shirt, he might be on Sasquatch's shoulder in your front yard. Mind you, that guy wouldn't be me...it would just be interesting if you went looking for such a person, and he were actually there.

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Well, if you're ever in Chicago, I guess I've got a date.

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EccentricSage!...You should be careful! Now you've piqued my interest. :oops: And, if there is even a HINT of seriousness there, I'm both flattered and honoured.

Unfortunately, my bank account informs me I won't be making any long trips to Chicago soon (uh, long as in "long drive" or "long distance", not meaning long as in "staying forever" or "moving in", heh heh...I'll be quiet now...). Although, if you were to tell me you have season tickets to the Blackhawks, i might just sell everything I own and be there, say, now! lol

E.S., if you ever want to check out the sunny Okanagan Valley, the ultimate holiday and retirement destination in Canada, come on by and I'll give you the tour! "We've got government subsidized health care!"

~ FP07

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that is wrong but pretty funny {guardian}

priceless!

I'd buy it for a buck-fifty though...

Maybe someone could do an interview with Mark, Fred, Greg, and Dale (and the rest of the creative team and some other folks from editorial) a la the old Comics Feature or Comics Journal, and hopefully find out the reasons behind the cancellation and what plans, if any, are in the works.

Cynical me, I'm not surprised this happened, although this is a better-executed version than certain volumes that shall remain..2 and 3.

I hope the finale is superb!

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Originally Posted by mreeez

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Funny!

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

I'm not sure whether to throw rice, or just get you a "My Condolences" card, lol. Ah well...life is what you make it, eh?

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I don't which last longer, my marages or an Alpha Flight series? Well at least with AF I can always look back with fond memoires.

I pretty much just lurk here but felt i had tobadd my two cents. I have been collecting marvel comics since volume 1. This latest move by marvel has now caused me to do something i never thought i would do. I am going to drop all of my marvel books except punisher. I currently get over 20 marvel books but found other than alpha flight and frank castle's books i was only buying them out of habbit. So this may be a business decision for marvel but it is for me too. Dynamite and dc will continue to get my money. Marvel, not so much.

I haven't seen this anywhere on the alphaflight.net yet so figured I post it here. Axel Alonso was asked (a softball question) about Alpha Flight's cancellation, and chose to answer it by not answering it, but instead telling us to buy the new series' that are coming out to replace cancelled series'.

Read it here. CAUTION: SPOILER PAGES FOR ISSUE #6.

The relevant part is near the bottom.

EDIT by rplass: This news has been promoted to an article on the main page. Thanks, Legerd!

Yah, pretty weak.

I still say we should have an "Occupy" Marvel.

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Originally Posted by Alpha Rider

I still say we should have an "Occupy" Marvel.

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We're supposed to have a Nor'Easter tonight. It will be interesting to see how many "Occupy" participants continue after that...

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Originally Posted by Legerd

I haven't seen this anywhere on the alphaflight.net yet so figured I post it here. Axel Alonso was asked (a softball question) about Alpha Flight's cancellation, and chose to answer it by not answering it, but instead telling us to buy the new series' that are coming out to replace cancelled series'.

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that is what I dont understand. Marvel cancels a book I enjoy and expects me to support their new titles? I dont care about the scarlet spider or venom or a seventh deadpool book. With dc's new 52 and marvel cancelling alpha and me dropping most of their books as a result, i am going to be saving a lot of cash come february.

Here, here.

Given the sales figures dropping over the last few issues I can see why Marvel did what they did. Of course I'm not happy about it, but I think their only flubb up was to announce it as an ongoing before seeing where the figures levelled out.

Feh...I only support books with characters I like and enjoy reading...The Scarlet Spider, Venom, etc.. can go drown in a East River for all I care. Dana

What I don't understand is the..."Our budget doesn't allow for so many extra books...So let's cancel Alpha Flight and these other current books, then we can publish a whole stable of new and untried, much hyped books." ...Huh?! She-Hulk and Spider-Girl living long passed their expiration date with those numbers just pisses me off, when Alpha had been canned at what...25,000? Dana

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