The trouble with quibbles...Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
The trouble with quibbles...Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
My problem with Green Arrow, which I still (for some reason, still collect) is the art. I have found the art to never be on par with the story. And it seems to have gotten progressively worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
That's a good thing... but it's not what I heard.
Specifically about BoP, especially; that the change of creative crew was disruptive and annoying to the readership, and brought with it a change of cast that nobody liked. All due to a unilateral and apparently arbitrary editorial mandate.
Either that, or I like using big words.
(Can't it be both?)
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They got rid of one of the characters - but I believe that was the previous writer. And they brought in Condor and Batgirl. Other than that, I felt like the story has progressed smoothly. If I hadn't known that Christy Marx (who I love as a writer) was getting Birds of Prey, I don't think I would have noticed a hand off.
There is no doubt that a potential for nothing good coming of it is possible - Heroes Reborn, for me, is an example of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
See, I feel like that I am ALREADY being slapped in the face. Repeatedly. The X-Men are nothing like the X-Men I remember and love. There's so many characters, I can't even remember who is who. And now there's Wolverine's school, with all these odd ball mutants, including a young Brood mutant? What? The Avengers are fractured into like 10 different teams, none of them representing the honor that really being an Avengers team embraces. Alpha Flight, well we all know how that is. Defenders, did you read Fraction's take? Shoot me now. The only good so far is the New Warriors and Amazing X-Men, both written by Yost. Other things have suffered - and when they had something great (Dan Abbnet & Andy Landing on ANYTHING was gold!), they do away with it eventually...Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
LOL!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
I never liked the art side of it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
The story I kept hearing at the time was that it was the editors, who wanted the character for JLA, and nobody liked the idea. Except said editor.Quote:
Originally Posted by TawmisThey got rid of one of the characters - but I believe that was the previous writer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
Oh, I believe there could be a nothing-good reboot; but they're the exception. There's often something good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
That said, I believe you about Heroes Reborn. Nothing about it even caught my interest enough to read any of it, and you never hear about it anymore - except, perhaps, to compare with this Fantastic Four idea.
(I have read some issues of Heroes Return, and some of them were okay (none were GREAT).)
Agreed. I keep collecting their serieses, reluctantly, because they're often the only thing that brings back the magic that got me into comics in the first place - which is soooo hard to find nowadays, especially from the Big Two - but I do often feel like I'm enjoying stories about a stadium full of strangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
Yes, including a young Brood. Don't like the idea, but the character is actually pretty cool.
I did not. But expect a glowing red dot to appear on your forehead any minute now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
I've been enjoying both (but see above for my reaction to reading X-Men).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
I got bored halfway through Dan Abnett's Nova and quit. Sorry.
~ Le Messor
"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a friend, if you have one."
~ George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill
"Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second... if there is one."
~ Winston Churchill, in response.
A few of the image books did this. Stormwatch, Brigade, Bloodstrike, and some others - it was called something like "Days Of Tomorrow" or something, where they all jumped to issue 25, where everything was completely shaken up. And then spent from 12 to 25, trying to explain why things were in that state. Some, ironically, never even made it to issue 25, before it was cancelled. I disliked it, because it took one of the books I enjoyed reading (Bloodstrike) for absolutely brainless fun (not a lot of story in it), and broke the team up and made it so it was one guy in a mask, who was Bloodstrike.Quote:
Originally Posted by TSOG
That may be the reason the series was made, and then cancelled within 12 issues. I enjoyed reading JLA. It wasn't a tight story - it felt like Defenders to me - a bunch of character, not too connected, who were just there to help out from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
Heh, see I love the Brood as ruthless, evil, villains - Uncanny X-Men #162-166 is some of my favorite space stuff with the X-Men, which features the brood and how ruthless they are. (Also happens to be the best drawings of the Brood, other than Uncanny X-Men #155). So a "nice" Brood just ... bothers me. And that it has glasses too? And sort of resembles a humanoid form, rather than the Brood form? All things I dislike about said mutant Brood. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
I think my heart just stopped...!Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
Oh, yeah, fully agree. I'm just surprised to find I like Broo; I still think he shouldn't exist, because the idea suxxors for all the reasons you just said, but I actually like the character himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
'cept when he turns into actual Brood and goes on rampages. I don't like him then.
But I don't like Marrina when she does that, either.
~ Le Messor
"His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork."
~ Mae West
Oh, so he has this other side to him? That would at least bring it CLOSER to what I expected out of Brood. For Marrina, it's not that I enjoy when she goes crazy - but considering the Plodex mentality - I get it. (The only real reason I don't like it, is because there's little character development of someone who's rampaging, which is exactly why I have never been into Hulk!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
As irony would have it, however, I love Sabretooth, for the sheer fact he's so animalistic and ruthless...
I myself am often surprised at tastes' little quirks.
Broo went crazy once because of brain damage; it isn't a side to him, I'm afraid.
~ Le Messor
"I've just learned about his illness. Let's hope it's nothing trivial."
~ Irvin S. Cobb
I'm sick to death of DC's reboots (which the latest one can't even keep it's new continuity straight)...Ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
Dana
Such as? (I am curious because I feel like I collect 90% of the New 52, and not sure what is broken?)Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
I was going to ask the same thing, as I haven't heard much continuity complaints from DC fans (once they got over the reboot itself).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
I know the Robins' continuity was messed up: Tim Drake being referred to as a former Robin, yet he supposedly was always Red Robin and "never a Robin". The original Teen Titans were referred to in "Red Hood and The Outlaws", yet they supposedly never existed.
Dana
You are correct about the Tim Drake thing. I am pretty sure you're accurate there. I don't recall about the Teen Titans, however?Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
I have all the Red Hood books, and don't recall that. However, you could be right; i'm too lazy to pull out all my books and re-read them to check.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
This isn't the first time I've heard it mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
~ Le Messor
"If a cluttered is an indication of a cluttered mind, what is indicated by an empty desk?"
~ Anonymous
The FCBD for May revealing the post-Secret Wars team makes it look like it won't be a complete reboot:
http://www.newsarama.com/23904-anoth...-revealed.html
I can go for that. Hope it's the one I'm reading, but I can go another one.
I've just realised that the 'All-New, All-Different' are deliberately 'All-New yet somehow familiar'. :)
I'm considering picking it up, but this line:
is one of those that's meant to make me want to read it, but has the exact opposite effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Brevoort
'Rewrite the rules' and everything before it usually means 'give you something completely alien to what you've read before, demand you love it just as much because it has the same name,' 'destroy childhoods'... 'nuff said, and 'world outside your window' means 'New York City' (where I've never even been, let alone had a window in). (Here, though, given the characters I'm looking at, it might mean diversifying the cast.)
Still, I like Nova and Mark Waid can be a great writer.
~ Le Messor
'Are you sure we haven't met?'
Batman: "I have one of those faces."