except for they have no right to have a man on the inside in CANADA.. It isn't under Stark's Jurisdiction
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except for they have no right to have a man on the inside in CANADA.. It isn't under Stark's Jurisdiction
Hey, this is all just supposition, but they can do such a thing if they have an arrangement with Canadian government, which from the looks of Initiative, they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmurfInABlender
Ben
Which I suspect will be a point of conflict between members like USAgent and the Alphans.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmurfInABlender
Technically, SHIELD is a UN organization, so that's not entirely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmurfInABlender
I was under the impression Talisman was the leader... not sure why.
Well, one problem is that writers may make Mailman Mike another nutjob. After all, he has the weight of killing hundreds of people, the awkwardness of getting a great job as a result of the murder of a hero and father (a murder he played a huge part in), and he was taken over by Xorneto.
Say he absorbs Purple Man's energy; the writer could easily have Purple Man's psyche dominate Pointer's and thus Pointer would act like Purple Man. What's to stop a writer from making the guy who looks like Guardian a mass murderer again?
Oeming likely will leave that alone but anyone else could easily turn the guy in the Guardian suit into a murderer again because of 'who' he absorbed, say a Rider of Apocalypse. There's every reason to think that will happen. Sometime.
Looking at that pic it looks like John is in the 'leadership' role. Talisman and Sasquatch and Vindicator (thats what Im calling Mail Man Mike until I know what name he is going to go by) are in secondary back up poses, (behind other people)
USAgent actually has leadership experience. I wonder if he will mention Cap's death in Omega Flight #1. After all, wouldnt he make the most sense to become the next Captain America?
Personally, I'd enjoy the idea of Bill as leader.
But then, I've been a fan of ol Horseface for YEARS.
Even though US Agent is in the front, I still feel that the crossed arms pose of Squatch is very "leader-esque" He seems like he is overseeing everything.
And for the record I beleive that The Initiative stated that Postman Mike would become the next "Weapon Alpha"
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazi.../003795489.cfm
"USAgent: After an assault from the Purple Man during Civil War, USAgent accepted Tony Stark’s offer to lead Canada’s new superteam."
Why Tony is appointing the leader of Canada's superhero team is beyond me, but hey, they got an American in the Guardian suit....holy crap! The US is taking over Canada!
MikeM
and now I'm pissed
Ok Ok ok maybe it can be pulled off.. maybe the inter-group conflict can be interesting.. but still come on... why put an american.. and esspecially one so "patriotic" as U S Agent as the leader? Sigh.... I like US Agent but not as the leader
USAgent leading Omega Flight?...uhhh..Mike your killing me man.
I'm hoping that this is a slip on Wizard's part - and not a reflection of how it actually is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius Bane
I could see it being a mistake.. maybe US Agent simply accepted the position as a MEMBER of Omega Flight...right right? Any one any one?
here's hoping!Quote:
Originally Posted by SmurfInABlender
Or maybe he's supposed to be the leader....
But Elizabeth, Billy-BOy and Walter have somethign to say about that.
Even the best leader goes under if his troops consistently tell him to get bent.
esspecially if one of those troop members is a ginormous hairy beast!
Just call the team Avengers North and be done with it.
USAgent = Captain America
BRB = Thor
Sas = Hulk
Talisman = Scarlet Witch
Arachne = Wasp
The Guardian Suit = Iron Man or now that it's Mike, Sentry
wait. who, out of that cast do you guys want to lead?
mike is still learning how to use his powers
walter has never been a leader
elizabeth is still young.
brb is not the leading type.
usagent has experience and is a master tactician
guys, we need to start being realistic.
i have read posts were people want manikin and windshear and some other support characters from version 1, i think we're failing to understand that those characters won't sell issues and keep omega around.
so? Why does this mean that he can't lead?Quote:
Originally Posted by varo
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Originally Posted by varo
yeah, but he's not Canadian...and has (to the best of my knowledge) no experience in Canada. If you want a good leader, they should have operational knowledge of the area/region/country in which the team is doing their thing.
I vote for Walter.
Sasquatch can deffinantly lead.. he helped createt he V3 group if i'm correct, and has been in ever AF title (even though the V2 doesn't really count) he also is one of the original members.. its time he got promoted
I've never skydived either, doesn't mean I'm not capable of doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by varo
Walter's the most qualified to lead a team in Canada out of this cast IMO. He's got the most experience operating as hero in the country, and he's the smartest one in the team isn't he?
However, I'm not sure that its clear yet that he's actually a full time member of the team, or a supporting character (Government person in charge of OF perhaps?) or what.
Walter should lead. He deserves it. If OF is a Canadian-run project.
However, if OF is a US gov't project, then it would make sense for USAgent to lead.
Frankly, I could easily see a story-line explaining why the US is running OF. AF was wiped out, leaving Canada vulnerable. The US organizes OF to deal with rogue heroes fleeing to Canada. The US considers this venture as similar to other "overseas" endeavors, like Iraq or Afghanistan.
Heresy? :twisted:
It doesn't make sense that it would be a US project. If heroes escape durign war tiem they are the same as refugees, and why would Canada alow America complete rights to extradite any refugee found in Canada.. and if that is what omega flight will become is just a team that seeks out refugees from America then its a problem to begin with... i just think it is a shot to Canada to say they would bend over backwords and let america in. I mean Canada has been very selective in previous agreements with the united states. Though the borders are reletively open, in the NAFTA Agreement where as Mexico and United States said that specific things can not be part of this agreement Canada one upped them both and said "The agreement can not affect Canadian Culture" pretty much giving them complete control without regaurd as to what is aloud into ando ut of their coutnry if they wished. So why would they bow down to the US. Now perhaps they feel vulnerable. But Canada said once before it didn't even need alpha flight and would make a new team if needed, there are plenty of participants in Canada. So why back away?
Unless secretly the collective was controlled by Iron Man who sent it into Canada so eventually he coudl act liek he saves the day and infact send a mostly American team into make sure Canada stays on their side.
Ok I'm goign off on a useless tangent and its worthless so I'll shut up my main point is I don't think Canada would have a lot more of a problem with Iron Man having control then they seem to be.
Walter has lead (he lead Beta Flight even for a while, ran a lot of things). Talisman has the attitude to lead and now is motivated. Last time USAgent tried to lead they fired him in Force Works.
Haha, no, no it was good. It was an unintentional pun. Our "collective *****ing" was about a guy named The Collective. Hense we are Collective *****ing, collectively. 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Primate
You know, I've now come to realize that I'm not really unhappy with OF, but more upset with how AF was taken out. If AF is dead, so be it. These things happen. But what needs to be done, and this is where my issues come in, is to give AF the send off they deserved. Maybe Marvel can do a one shot, after OF is done to keep interest going, that gives us the "last days" of AF; told from each of the character's perspectives before gathering for their final battle. Heather and James playing with their daughter, the father-daughter reunion of Pucks, Shaman prepping Elizabeth for her new role after some premonition, etc. Then maybe an extended version of the battle with The Collective, with dialogue all the way through, playing on the reader's emotions a bit. And finally, the state funeral they deserve. Something like that, done as a full story and not as a flashback in a mini-series, could finally give some closure to AF. I understand now that I'll be reading Omega Flight and not Alpha Flight, but a final AF one shot would sure help make that easier.
Although, the fact that most of the team is made up of Americans is still a bit of an issue.
U.S. Agent- No two ways about it, yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceGuardian
Mailman Mike- Yeah.
Arachne- Well, she might switch citizenship. Which would make a neat subplot.
Beta Ray Bill- Is a space alien. Anchored to a Canadian, acnhored to a swahili, he's a friggn' horse-faced space alien.
Elizabeth- Canadian.
Walter (assuming he's on the team)- Canadian
So.... two out of six are Canadian, one's a space alien anchored to a Canuck, one's a Yank who might have reason to switch her colors, and two are Yanks unlikely to change their colors.
The percentage is, to say the least, daunting.
I beg to differ, I can see Mailman Mike changing colors
Bill Rosemann at Marvel emailed my son and was upbeat about Omega Flight, saying most of the editors wanted to keep it an ongoing but they hope it can be an ongoing again. And that Omega Flight makes Alpha Flight proud. :)
i think it will get an ongoing, after the Initiative it was pushed like crazy... we can't say the company isn't tryign to push it because it seems like it is being pushed a ton
I wonder how all of the Canadian superheroes and ex-Flight'ers will rect to being "protected" by IM's "Avengers North"?
As a side note; now that the CW is over, I remember why I never really cared for IM. Too bad Cap chose the losing side.
Since when is Bill anchored to a Canadian? Simon Walters didn't seem very Canadian considering he was wearing a U.S. Army uniform.Quote:
Originally Posted by Transmetropolitan
I LOVE THIS IDEA! And I think it would make a lot of fans happy. I'm surprised that everyone has focused on the Mailman Mike aspect of the story and no one (until SG mentioned it) has said anything about the fact that we didn't see any more of the battle. That was the only thing that disappointed me. I was really hoping that they would show a little more of what happened there - or at least what was said. I guess the point to be made is that there wasn't much of a battle or time to say much. BANG - and it was over...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpaceGuardian
Always he was going to be revealed Canadian in Stormbreaker was cut out due to space. However, in several interviews creators and editors have claimed Simon to be Canadian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperstorm
As for the fight I bet more will be revealed in the first issue of Omega flight, or else Walter will have nightmare re-accurances or soemthign of that matter.
Canadians can join the US Forces, so its not really all that big a discrepancy. Some Canadians joined the US Army in order to serve in Vietnam, for example. I don't know much about the military, but I suppose there may well be advantages to joining the US Military instead of the Canadian one in terms of pay or training.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyperstorm
I just looked it up and your're wrong he was going to be revealed to be Canadian in Omega Flight but it was cut once it became a mini. And in those interviews with the Oeming or the editor where they say he was Canadian they also say Stormbreaker ended with him Canada when it actually ended with him in NYC meeting Spider-Man.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Mungi
IIRC Canadians can only join the U.S. Army if they have dual citizenship in the U.S. unless they're First Nations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corvus
Its sort of a hard topic to look up, but various things I've found seem to imply that if you've got a green-card, you can join the army.
Just for the record...
Bill led the combined Avengers/FF/Asgardian/US Army task force during the Surtur War.
IIRC wasn't USAgent only supposed to be a liaison for the US Gov't? And it seems, assuming plans weren't changed, that OF was to fight more mystical threats? That would make Talisman the resident expert (remember, she directed the team during the Sorceror and the Dream Queen story arcs) and most likely to lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben