Ultimate Alpha Flight

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Originally Posted by Legerd

Does anyone else wonder if the Ultimate Guardian is Feedback, the mutant from the East Coast who showed up at the end of the first AF series?

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Nope :) Wasn't feedback depowered?

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Originally Posted by Manikin

Nope :) Wasn't feedback depowered?

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I don't think it was revealed if he was, but most likely

yet another writer with a love for alpha flight, yet no alpha ongoing....

*sigh*

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From a plot standpoint, the introduction of Alpha Flight makes sense because they, according to Coleite, "are integral at finding the roots of this mysterious drug [Banshee] and its origins." However, the Flight holds personal appeal for writer as well as he has "had a love for this team since I first started collecting."

Playing his cards close, Coleite offers only a few hints about what readers can look for coming up with Ultimate Alpha Flight:

"This is a more international team for a reason. More will be revealed in issue #95. Sasquatch's identity will be revealed in issue #95. You'll have to wait for Vindicator's. But that will come soon enough."

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LANGKOWSKI with a K. I bet the writer used the "Official" Handbook with the spelling error. Grr...

In the preview art, it looks as if Shaman gets knocked around, the impossibly curvy Snowbird gets blown away, a round-eared Aurora gets spooked, and it's not exactly clear what's happening to Sasquatch, but it's something purply and bad. At least mysterio-Vindicator gets some Alpha Flight butt-kickin' in for good! He seems to be the most powerful of the bunch.

For the record, I can't tell if Aurora's still wearing her tube top. Rrwow!!

Love,
rplass

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Originally Posted by Manikin

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Originally Posted by Legerd

Does anyone else wonder if the Ultimate Guardian is Feedback, the mutant from the East Coast who showed up at the end of the first AF series?

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Nope :) Wasn't feedback depowered?

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I'm talking the Ultimate version of Feedback, not the 616 version.

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Originally Posted by Legerd

I'm talking the Ultimate version of Feedback, not the 616 version.

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Ah. Indeed that would make sense considering...that. Heh, sorry. Though I doubt that anyone in Marvel even remembers who Feedback was these days, let alone want to resurrect the character for an Ultimates series. But who knows. If they bring Feedback into the Ultimates maybe there is a chance that they will put Manikin somewhere in the Ultimates Universe too. That would be fun.

Whoever Sasquatch and Vindicator are. I'm guessing Americans. Maybe Sasquatch will be Doc Samson and Vindicator... maybe, I don't know who to guess.

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Originally Posted by rplass

I didn't get the whole, "Snowbird is a combat pilot" thing. I really think that it ought to have been Vindicator flying the plane, or a Dept. H. operative. It just seemed odd to have Snowbird be a pilot, since she can fly on her own.

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Interesting... First, you've all seen my CG Sasquatch. If I get around to doing the others (the twins would be next), my Mac costume will be based on a fighter pilot's jump suit (I'm going to be trying to combine real clothes with superhero uniforms).
Second, and I'm not disagreeing with you that somebody else would make more sense as a pilot; why shouldn't Snowbird fly a plane?
I can walk, but I've got a car.
And a bicycle.
(edit: I just checked, and the patch on my bike's tyre is holding up! Yay!)

- Le Messor
"Finance is the art of passing money from hand to hand until it finally disappears."
- Robert W. Sarnoff

I can't exactly put my finger on it... it just doesn't seem to make sense to me. I have no problem with Jean Grey piloting the X-craft, or Heather Hudson piloting an Alphajet.. so I know it's not some anti-woman pilot thing. See, it just seems that I'm used to Snowbird being more aloof, as if she's more of a nature-person, connected with animals and the great outdoors, that sort of thing, and not an adrenaline tech-junkie combat pilot type.

Love,
rplass

Well here's the spoilers


-Rahne Sinclair ie. Wolfsbane is revealed to be Sasquatch, so my guess Dana Moonstone is Snowbird and Warpath is Shaman. Uuuuuh...
-X-Men w/Banshee fight Alpha Flight and their basically losing until Cyclops amps up
-Wolverine tested positive with Banshee, but doesn't recall when he did it
-Rogue reveals she killed her father when he was drunk he would touch her in sexual ways, but then her powers kicked in killing him
-Cyclops revealed he accidently killed his foster parents when his mutant powers kicked in
-Northstar is overdosing on Banshee and looks like he has died at the end of the issue from it.


Errrr...yeah

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Originally Posted by King Mungi

Well here's the spoilers


-Rahne Sinclair ie. Wolfsbane is revealed to be Sasquatch, so my guess Dana Moonstone is Snowbird and Warpath is Shaman. Uuuuuh...
-X-Men w/Banshee fight Alpha Flight and their basically losing until Cyclops amps up
-Rogue reveals she killed her father when he was drunk he would touch her in sexual ways, but then her powers kicked in killing him
-Cyclops revealed he accidently killed his foster parents when his mutant powers kicked in
-Northstar is overdosing on Banshee and looks like has died at the end of the issue from it.


Errrr...yeah

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Sooooo, instead of Alpha Flight we get X-Force.... well, ONE bright side, at least: It wasn't drawn by Liefield!!

And why is it called Alpha Flight????

Rahne can make sense as a crazed mutant on Banshee, but Moonstar as Snowbird, given that Ultimate Snowbird is Inuit...

Warpath as Shaman is equally unlikely, given how small Shaman is and his looks/abilities don't line up well with the real Shaman.

WHEN Alpha Flight returns, it had better be with a more Canadian line-up!

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Originally Posted by Mokole

Rahne can make sense as a crazed mutant on Banshee, but Moonstar as Snowbird, given that Ultimate Snowbird is Inuit...

Warpath as Shaman is equally unlikely, given how small Shaman is and his looks/abilities don't line up well with the real Shaman.

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This Alpha Flight polices the world not Canada, which is kinda interesting

Sorry I meant to type Danielle Moonstar, she really is a spitting image of her.

Why is it? Warpath (James Proudstar) is a mutant with superhuman strength and durability who can fly who is also quite built. Plus he is native american so it really does make sense if ultimate Shaman is Warpath. Even John Proudstar (James' brother) went by Shaman in Exiles

LMAO! This has got to be a joke, right? You guys are buying and supporting this?

Dana :shock:

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Originally Posted by King Mungi

Well here's the spoilers


-Rahne Sinclair ie. Wolfsbane is revealed to be Sasquatch, so my guess Dana Moonstone is Snowbird and Warpath is Shaman. Uuuuuh...
-X-Men w/Banshee fight Alpha Flight and their basically losing until Cyclops amps up
-Wolverine tested positive with Banshee, but doesn't recall when he did it
-Rogue reveals she killed her father when he was drunk he would touch her in sexual ways, but then her powers kicked in killing him
-Cyclops revealed he accidently killed his foster parents when his mutant powers kicked in
-Northstar is overdosing on Banshee and looks like he has died at the end of the issue from it.


Errrr...yeah

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Originally Posted by King Mungi

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Originally Posted by Mokole

Rahne can make sense as a crazed mutant on Banshee, but Moonstar as Snowbird, given that Ultimate Snowbird is Inuit...

Warpath as Shaman is equally unlikely, given how small Shaman is and his looks/abilities don't line up well with the real Shaman.

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This Alpha Flight polices the world not Canada, which is kinda interesting

Sorry I meant to type Danielle Moonstar, she really is a spitting image of her.

Why is it? Warpath (James Proudstar) is a mutant with superhuman strength and durability who can fly who is also quite built. Plus he is native american so it really does make sense if ultimate Shaman is Warpath. Even John Proudstar (James' brother) went by Shaman in Exiles

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The only way it makes sense, is if all Native Americans/Native Canadians/First Nations People/Indians are interchangeable...I find that idea to be highly offensive. Marvel has already pulled this particular alternate Earth Thunderbird is Shaman crap once, why the hell are they doing it again?

I'm really starting to get the feeling that Marvel is being run by the chauvinistic, bigoted boy club.

Dana

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Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67

I'm really starting to get the feeling that Marvel is being run by the chauvinistic, bigoted boy club.

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Um.... "Starting"??

And I agree with Dana that this is VERY insulting, lumping all First Nations/Natives in the same interchangeable catagory. Yes, I'm so very White that I'm damn-near transparent, but I was raised a minority in the North, where there is a 50% Native population, so I feel more akin to them than I do other Caucasians.

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cmdrkoenig67 wrote: The only way it makes sense, is if all Native Americans/Native Canadians/First Nations People/Indians are interchangeable...I find that idea to be highly offensive. Marvel has already pulled this particular alternate Earth Thunderbird is Shaman crap once, why the hell are they doing it again?

I'm really starting to get the feeling that Marvel is being run by the chauvinistic, bigoted boy club.

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HappyCanuck wrote: And I agree with Dana that this is VERY insulting, lumping all First Nations/Natives in the same interchangeable catagory. Yes, I'm so very White that I'm damn-near transparent, but I was raised a minority in the North, where there is a 50% Native population, so I feel more akin to them than I do other Caucasians.

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Ok. I can understand if some of us are upset that the Alpha Flight team is not what we would have wanted it to be. However, does this really warrant getting offended? I might also go so far as to remind everyone that this is fiction. One persons perception of what they feel might make for an interesting story.

Now, I read the comic yesterday, and I didn't noticed anyone referring to Shaman as any name other than Shaman. Yes, I also think it is James Proudstar, mostly because he seemed to have enhanced senses and could smell sulfur through walls. But it hasn't been revealed yet.

As for Snowbird, again I didn't notice anyone refer to her as anything other than Snowbird. She could just as easily be Elizabeth Twoyoungmen instead. But I am going check again when I get home.

Obviously the writer has a plan to divulge more about Alpha Flight as the story progresses, should we really be picking it apart to the point were someone who hasn't even read the comic is fully hating it? I am not ignoring the obvious problems with the team, but I am accepting what I am being given because it isn't what I would expect. That's why I find it interesting. I may even be the only one enjoying the comic. :P

But getting upset or offended over it isn't going to change the way people perceive a culture that isn't their own. It's why all African American characters talk slang, why all Asian characters know karate, and why all female characters have huge boobs. But who cares? It's just fiction.

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Originally Posted by Manikin

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cmdrkoenig67 wrote: The only way it makes sense, is if all Native Americans/Native Canadians/First Nations People/Indians are interchangeable...I find that idea to be highly offensive. Marvel has already pulled this particular alternate Earth Thunderbird is Shaman crap once, why the hell are they doing it again?

I'm really starting to get the feeling that Marvel is being run by the chauvinistic, bigoted boy club.

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HappyCanuck wrote: And I agree with Dana that this is VERY insulting, lumping all First Nations/Natives in the same interchangeable catagory. Yes, I'm so very White that I'm damn-near transparent, but I was raised a minority in the North, where there is a 50% Native population, so I feel more akin to them than I do other Caucasians.

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Ok. I can understand if some of us are upset that the Alpha Flight team is not what we would have wanted it to be. However, does this really warrant getting offended? I might also go so far as to remind everyone that this is fiction. One persons perception of what they feel might make for an interesting story.

Now, I read the comic yesterday, and I didn't noticed anyone referring to Shaman as any name other than Shaman. Yes, I also think it is James Proudstar, mostly because he seemed to have enhanced senses and could smell sulfur through walls. But it hasn't been revealed yet.

As for Snowbird, again I didn't notice anyone refer to her as anything other than Snowbird. She could just as easily be Elizabeth Twoyoungmen instead. But I am going check again when I get home.

Obviously the writer has a plan to divulge more about Alpha Flight as the story progresses, should we really be picking it apart to the point were someone who hasn't even read the comic is fully hating it? I am not ignoring the obvious problems with the team, but I am accepting what I am being given because it isn't what I would expect. That's why I find it interesting. I may even be the only one enjoying the comic. :P

But getting upset or offended over it isn't going to change the way people perceive a culture that isn't their own. It's why all African American characters talk slang, why all Asian characters know karate, and why all female characters have huge boobs. But who cares? It's just fiction.

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I agree, getting bent about a portrayal in an Ultimate line is silly especially since the whole plot has yet to be revealed.

Remember, Wolverine assumed Vindicator was Mac and it clearly isnt. Vindicator didnlt even know who Mac was when Wolverine mentioned him so there, obvioulsy, is a disconnect between this version of Ultimate Alpha Flight and the UAF that Wolverine knew.

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Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67

The only way it makes sense, is if all Native Americans/Native Canadians/First Nations People/Indians are interchangeable...I find that idea to be highly offensive. Marvel has already pulled this particular alternate Earth Thunderbird is Shaman crap once, why the hell are they doing it again?

I'm really starting to get the feeling that Marvel is being run by the chauvinistic, bigoted boy club.

Dana

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Because those characters are well known and are mutants so it's fits with the story sadly

Also sidenote for some as people are getting confused Shaman and Snowbird identities have yet to be revealed, those picks are my guesses who they will be.

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Originally Posted by Manikin

Ok. I can understand if some of us are upset that the Alpha Flight team is not what we would have wanted it to be. However, does this really warrant getting offended? I might also go so far as to remind everyone that this is fiction. One persons perception of what they feel might make for an interesting story.

Now, I read the comic yesterday, and I didn't noticed anyone referring to Shaman as any name other than Shaman. Yes, I also think it is James Proudstar, mostly because he seemed to have enhanced senses and could smell sulfur through walls. But it hasn't been revealed yet.

As for Snowbird, again I didn't notice anyone refer to her as anything other than Snowbird. She could just as easily be Elizabeth Twoyoungmen instead. But I am going check again when I get home.

Obviously the writer has a plan to divulge more about Alpha Flight as the story progresses, should we really be picking it apart to the point were someone who hasn't even read the comic is fully hating it? I am not ignoring the obvious problems with the team, but I am accepting what I am being given because it isn't what I would expect. That's why I find it interesting. I may even be the only one enjoying the comic. :P

But getting upset or offended over it isn't going to change the way people perceive a culture that isn't their own. It's why all African American characters talk slang, why all Asian characters know karate, and why all female characters have huge boobs. But who cares? It's just fiction.

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You're absolutely right, Manikin...Who cares? What does it matter? I don't see why Marvel just doesn't make every character white and male, that should solve all the problems and conflicts...Then they'll be totally interchangeable and nobody will notice the difference if they change costumes with each other. Who is who? Gosh...I can't tell them apart, they all look the same.

Dana :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67

You're absolutely right, Manikin...Who cares? What does it matter? I don't see why Marvel just doesn't make every character white and male, that should solve all the problems and conflicts...Then they'll be totally interchangeable and nobody will notice the difference if they change costumes with each other. Who is who? Gosh...I can't tell them apart, they all look the same.

Dana :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Gotcha.

I see where this is going... Since that was obviously NOT what I was trying to say, and is instead being responded to with childish sarcasm, I will not take part in this thread any further.

Please continue with your tirade.

Okay boys and girls. This is getting out of hand. Please try to remain civil. This is, afterall, a free forum for ALL us comic geeks to come and have some fun.

Yeeg. Not sure who updated this Wikipedia entry, but so far it looks like Mungi MIGHT be correct...

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Ultimate Alpha Flight debuted in Ultimate X-Men #94 with Vindicator, Shaman (James Proudstar), Jubilee, Sunfire, Sasquatch (Rahne Sinclair), Snowbird (Dani Moonstar) and Aurora. The team ambushes the X-Men in the middle of a friendly baseball game. All of its members appear to use godlike powers; they easily managed to take down the X-Men and kidnap Northstar. It is later revealed by Wolverine, who apparently has a history with them on this universe as well, that they used the Mutant Growth Hormone called Banshee to enhance their abilities, making them more powerful than normal mutants.

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Um, Mungi, PLEASE tell me YOU did this?? If you did, I promise to forgive you.... [-o<

Ugh.

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Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67

Ugh.

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Seconded.

So Canada hires a bunch of Americans? So I'm assuming Ultimate Excalibur is Magma, Maggot, Beak, ....

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Originally Posted by HappyCanuck

Yeeg. Not sure who updated this Wikipedia entry, but so far it looks like Mungi MIGHT be correct...

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Ultimate Alpha Flight debuted in Ultimate X-Men #94 with Vindicator, Shaman (James Proudstar), Jubilee, Sunfire, Sasquatch (Rahne Sinclair), Snowbird (Dani Moonstar) and Aurora. The team ambushes the X-Men in the middle of a friendly baseball game. All of its members appear to use godlike powers; they easily managed to take down the X-Men and kidnap Northstar. It is later revealed by Wolverine, who apparently has a history with them on this universe as well, that they used the Mutant Growth Hormone called Banshee to enhance their abilities, making them more powerful than normal mutants.

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Um, Mungi, PLEASE tell me YOU did this?? If you did, I promise to forgive you.... [-o<

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Sad thing is I didn't :(

If it's true, then it's pretty likely Vindicator is John Walker, and only Aurora is Canadian. Hard to believe but I guess they mean that in the Ultimate Universe Canada is the 51st state, and Inuit people are extinct.

They never said ultimate Snowbird was Inuit, so I'm not sure why people are saying that.

Also Vindicator HAS to be a mutant, and a person Rogue knows.

wow
they just ruined it DX.

I think Puck made appearance at the same issue with Rahne.
There was a drawf at the freak show on Conley island. I don't most of the issues/books.

well i havent read any of these x-men comics but ill pick a issue up now.
so whats the whole reason alpha flight is in the story?

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Originally Posted by Trewqp

well i havent read any of these x-men comics but ill pick a issue up now.
so whats the whole reason alpha flight is in the story?

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They want to bring Northstar back to Canada, like how in the main universe [Uncanny X-Men #120-121], Alpha Flight wanted to bring Wolverine back to Canada.

thnxs mungi.
yay sounds as i thought it would... :)
cant wait to read it

Well after looking at all the images of Ut.Guardian.
I have a strange feeling that it Gambit even thought they killed him but am not sure it they really did killed him......just make it looked like he been killed.

Well in a recent interview it was revealed that it's definetly not James Hudson in the armor.

lame, with a capital "ame"

definitely not for me!

I'm in full agreement with Flightpath.

AFAIC...Marvel is still on their "make Alpha Flight a joke (or in this case...Junkies, American ones, at that)" kick. Trash is for throwing away, not buying and reading.

Dana

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Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67

I'm in full agreement with Flightpath.

AFAIC...Marvel is still on their "make Alpha Flight a joke (or in this case...Junkies, American ones, at that)" kick. Trash is for throwing away, not buying and reading.

Dana

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Love the little writing, Dana! Excellent!

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

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Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67

I'm in full agreement with Flightpath.

AFAIC...Marvel is still on their "make Alpha Flight a joke (or in this case...Junkies, American ones, at that)" kick. Trash is for throwing away, not buying and reading.

Dana

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Love the little writing, Dana! Excellent!

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Well...It just sums up how I feel about the portrayal of "Ultimate" Alpha Flight in "Ultimate" X-Men....This book and these characters do nothing to make Alpha Flight look good (or even the X-Men, for that matter).

Dana :wink:

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This book and these characters do nothing to make Alpha Flight look good (or even the X-Men, for that matter).

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Personally, it seems to me that "Ultimate" has become more synonomous with "Twisted".

definitions, anyone?

Ultimate - the finest or most superior quality of its kind

Twisted - distorted, misrepresented, perverted - twisted (having an intended meaning altered or misrepresented) "many of the facts seemed twisted out of any semblance to reality"; e.g. "a perverted translation of the poem"