Exactly! We have Liefeld and Lee in charge at DC now, for example. I mean, is this not the 90s?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
- Le Messor
"I'll tell ya, life aint easy for a boy named Sue!"
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Exactly! We have Liefeld and Lee in charge at DC now, for example. I mean, is this not the 90s?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
- Le Messor
"I'll tell ya, life aint easy for a boy named Sue!"
Is Liefeld still associated with DC? I know his Hawk and Dove series apparently ended there. And since he is now back drawing the Youngblood series at Image...
Isn't he writing three DC books now?
Dana
Yup, he's writing 3, Scott Lobdell's writing 3, Howard Mackie's writing 1 and all because Bob Harras is over there now.
Sorry, i was not aware of that (or more likely, knew it once but forgot it).Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
I'm taking it Michael's line about Liefeld running DC was more tongue-in-cheek, then? I was taking it at face value, and knowing that he is writing for Image, it made me scratch my head and go "eh?"
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
But then I accidentally bit down, hard. Ouch!
- Le Messor
"Many become brave when brought to bay."
~ Norwegian proverb
You should really leave tongue-piercing to the professionals!Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
Ywah, vur it'a ao muxh xhwapwe rhia qay.
It's kinda connected to this thread and something we talked about at some point, and I don't quite think it warrants it's own thread:-
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There's a Sasquatch floating head cameo in this week's Wolverine #312 as Loeb cotues his Lupine/Canine/Feral plotline...
Didn't somebody say they were trying to fix that now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
I hope so.
- Le Messor
"In a mature society, "civil servant" is semantically equivalent to "civil master."
~ Robert A. Heinlein, The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
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Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
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I think Loeb is now saying [spoiler] Romulus lied about all that to manipulate Wolverine [spoiler].Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
Damn it Loeb!
Well, I get 6 DC titles per month, BUT i will say this; most everybody I talk to or hear from agrees that the Earth 2 titles and Earth 2 heroes are what they wished Dc's main Earth (1) titles and heroes were like. As much as that must be great praise for the writers/artists working on those few titles, it also must infuriate the rest of DC's people. Although a lot of people LIKE Dc's books, it seems not enough people LOVE them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legerd
For myself, it seems a lot of their series are too connected. There is too much feel of -one central plot- that runs through too many titles. That is why I tend to stick to the more fringey of their books, and stay away from the Justice League Wonder Woman Superman and Batman family books.
I wish Mr Liefeld good luck in all that he does in the future. Hes always been an outspoken man who doesnt like to be directed by others, and that isnt necessarily a bad thing. He will land on his feet running, and do well.
Oh didn't see it mentioned by Wild Child as a Nazi appears in Wolverine #312 too
Sorry, -K-M-, but I'm not sure what you're referring to?Quote:
Originally Posted by -K-M-
~ -L-M-
"Information is the inverse of entropy."
Phil replied on the previous page about Sasquatch appearing in 312, I recently just picked it up and saw Nazi Wild Child too.
In the apperance section of the board, he only has Walter listed in 312
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Originally Posted by Phil
I'm really really hoping that if Loeb is saying the Lupine stuff was just a mind ****, that Wildchild as a Nazi was just a mind **** also. If he's doing all this to Wolvie's mind, then I wonder if he's doing similar to other ferals involved in this story line? False memories and info and all that. I'm not really getting the point of Romulus, though. Is he just a bored troll with super powers?
I'm calling this "Post of the Week". Congratulations!Quote:
Originally Posted by EccentricSage
Seriously, this is exactly what has to happen. I'm hoping the same thing. Well said, EccentricSage.
Apologies!Quote:
Originally Posted by -K-M-
I'd put the entire Nazi thing out of my head through the sheer ridiculousness of it, so skimmed over it.
The 16 year old Wildchild retcon makes more sense then the immortal Nazi one.
Nicely spotted; I shall alter it.
Ugh.
Thanks for clearing that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by -K-M-
Hmm... I don't have this issue... wondering if I want it...
~ Le Messor
"Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late."
Both appearances are just floaty head flashbacks, so it's not making canon worse, but yeah...
I'd pick it up from a bargain bin for the pretty art, but the story is just laughable.
I bought it. Other than the mind-f^$k dude keeps putting on Wolvie, there is nothing interesting about it, not in the least.
btw, I read it twice, very carefully, and i STILL haven't seen either Sasquatch or WC in it.
Okay, important safety tip, I'll keep it in mind.
~ Le Messor
"Information is not knowledge, knowledge is not wisdom, wisdom is not truth, truth is not beauty, beauty is not love."
I'm at work, so can only get to my digital copy so the page numbers may be slightly outta whack:Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
Wildchild is on page 9/10(?) (the second double page spread), in a Nazi uniform with Romulus, in between the main images of Remus & Wolverine. (And I missed that one, so it's easily done)
Sasquatch is two pages later, at the far right of the images of all the feral/lupine characters just above where Remus talks about the elephant bones in Wakanda.
Thanks, Phil.
Gotta say, the Sas pic has him looking so blow-dried, and his fangs so long, that it looks more like V2 Sas than the other one. To me, anyways.
As far as Wild Child goes, I saw the pic you point out...I'd just never be able to tell that it was him. Even with you pointing it out, and me staring at it, I STILL can't tell that it is him. Is it? All i see is a long-haired guy with a weird grin in a nazi uniform; to me, that leaves a lot open to interpretation - i could just as easily say that it is Mr. Sinister, or Dee Snider from Twisted Sister.
A long-haired guy in a Nazi uniform? The artist does know that's a contradiction, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
Never mind, probably not.
Look, we're NOT gonna take it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
~ Le Messor
"Information is the key to power and the key to prevent power abuse. In the knowledge lies the power."
~ Edward Feigenbaum
Yes you are, and you'll like it!Quote:
Look, we're NOT gonna take it!
Exactly why I missed it, but it's concurrent with the Nazi-Wildchild in the original arc, so it is him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
Wait, now I'm double confused. I thought we were talking about the original arc! LMAO
Ugh, so there is a new issue out and they're still bringing up the Nazi connection, at least implied via flash back? Is this a lame recap issue? No new developments?
Both the appearances are flashbacks to the original storyline, as Remus explains that everything Romulus told Wolverine is nonsense.
Although what Romulus tells Wolvie at the end of issue 312 is perhaps even more nonsensical! 'Hey, I know...let's confuse things even more!'Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
Yeah... at least the first storrline was readable to a degree.
This is just... wow...
People (insiders, mostly) keep treating Loeb like a superstar writer, one of the greats of the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil
I've never understood that.
I've found him average at best... and that includes The Long Hallowe'en.
~ Le Messor
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
~ Martin Luther King
I never understood why they let Loeb do whatever he wants, ether. Must just be really good buddies with lots of important guys in the industry or something.
To me it looks like with the first ark Loeb was having a complete mental break down because of the death of his son, as a lot of the dialogue made no sense or would bring up issues like health care and evolution vs creationism, for no reason at all, and at times OOC. The plot seamed aimless and was full of plot devices that were barely even there. Wait, some of these guys were de-powered? Um... Romulus magically re-powered them! It's like he was just making up whatever as he went along.
I feel really bad for the guy's loss, he sounds like a nice enough person, and I wouldn't really wish that on anyone, but Marvel's editors should have reigned him in a bit and offered him leave, just promise to let him do a Wolvy story after he's had time to mourn, might not have been so bad.
Now that he's back, he's claiming he's just going to pick up where he left off and finish the story as intended, but if you ask me it sounds more like he's trying to play catch up and fix it. Which will probably just be a whole 'nother train wreck. At least tell us HOW Wildchild came back from being engulfed by molten metal, for example. I know the character didn't come back under his pen, but the character was brought back for his purposes. Does the new issue explain what Romulus's power set are? Because he really doesn't even strike me as a feral mutant, more like some sort of god given flesh ... with a Furry fetish.
You know who I REALLY don't understand being in the position they are in, even more so than Loeb? Joe Q. Keeper of continuity and protector of character integrity my ass. He jumps on every outrageous gimmick and bad piece of target market analysis that comes his way. What has he EVER done for Marvel's integrity?
Probably the answer is, "made them money". Some companies don't understand that integrity and money have nothing to do with each other. But as long as Marvel makes money, they have no real reason to get rid of him.Quote:
What has he EVER done for Marvel's integrity?
btw, congratulations to Marvel, who have managed to suck me in to buying a whole ONE of their new Marvel NOW titles. Yup, just one. Wow, they must feel pretty successful, eh? Two more months and I'll be heading from 3 Marvel titles, briefly down to one and then back up to two (and, at that time, I will be collecting 16 monthly titles).
Well yeah, as long as the company isn't in the red, money is being made. I don't think that should even be credited to JQ, JQ's job is supposed to be keeping the continuity from getting too screwed up and preventing damage to their intellectual property. Look at how good they are at alienating people who did want to read their comics by not even keeping their **** straight between runs? They've made precious little off me since the mid 90's. I've met plenty of people who used to read Marvel and stopped in the 90's. Doesn't seem like a great business model, to me. Then there's the ridiculous pricing. Are they only making most of their comic book revenue off of the collectors now? All the constant relaunching and variant covers plus outrageous pricing would have me think They're just milking the last of their big spenders for all they're worth. I can't even afford the few titles I'm actually interested in reading! Way to grow their audience!
Oh, I completely agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by EccentricSage
But I am going to take a page out of Phil's book (don't worry, Phil, I'll put it back when i am done!), and say it is all about the money. Thanks to the success of Marvel on the big screen, Marvel no longer sees themselves as a comic book company; they are a corporation, an empire, a conglomerate. Take your pick of many other nasty big words. They're "the man" and they are trying to stick to you.
In all seriousness, Marvel will do whatever it can to rake in your cash, and as much of everyone's else's cash, as they possibly can. They'll reboot their entire line, every 2 years. They'll make every series restart at Issue # 1, every 3 months ("its a better jumping on point"). They'll put out 14,000 variant covers to Scooby-Doo Meets Casper # 121, all signed by various people who may or may not have ever worked for Marvel before. They'll charge you $13.00 for a comic, while they cut back and print it on cheaper, recycled paper. They'll pay their writers and artists less, and so end up with inferior ones. They'll call your mom in the middle of the night and tell her she has won a million dollars in an Indonesian lottery, and all she has to do is wire $500 to the Marvel offices in order to receive it. They'll make a comic that has a miniature robot in it, that'll sneak out of the comic at night and steal BOTH your kidneys and sell them on the black market.
The point is, Marvel doesn't care about you, or me; they're too big for that. All they care about is, how many bajillions of dollars did we make this month, and how can we make even more bajillions next month?
And, as i am sure Phil will point out, and he is mainly correct, DC isn't any different. Nor is GE, or Ford, or Sony, or Apple.
Joe Q's job is safe, because nobody cares if he does a good job at it. as long as the money continues to flow.
My point is that they'd make more off their comics if they weren't destroying the MU, that is all.