Crackity Jones' Discovery Of Alpha Flight

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

Heather won't get better, I'm afraid.

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*cries*
But I loved her so much under Byrne. How Mantlo wrote her was just STUPID.

Now, apparently, Mac not only KNEW about Wolverine's Adamantium skeleton, but knew before they "met" Wolverine on their honeymoon. Or something. Who knows. He's turned her into an indecisive idiot ("could I love Wolverine? Maybe? If I didn't love Mac. But MAC LIED!BUTILOVEMAC") who is seeking, rather openly, how to be decisive (TRAIN ME, I AM THE LEADER), but it's such failure.
Yet again, a writer at Marvel proves he has no idea how to write a strong female character. *sigh*.

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

It will be a little better during Mantlo's run, but mostly it's after that that things get good again.
Hey, you'll eventually get to Jim Lee's first artwork for Marvel. If you stick around long enough.

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Oh, I'll be sticking around. At least I am going to try damn hard to. I love too many of these characters not to read the rest. Curiosity on how bad they get screwed up would kill me if I stopped reading it now.
I am going to wait it out to see what he has in store for Aurora and Northstar, Bochs/Box, and Jeffries.
But how he reinvented Puck and Heather is just killing me. But at least Puck is back to his original state. Heather is the girl everyone is in love with who cannot decide if she wants to be mean, nice, or just feel super awful for herself.

Oh, and it appears Shaman is back.
Cannot wait to see HIS new Mantlo suit.

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I am going to wait it out to see what he has in store for Aurora and Northstar, Bochs/Box, and Jeffries.

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Oh, and it appears Shaman is back. Cannot wait to see HIS new Mantlo suit.

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Mik lets a single manly tear roll down his cheek.

I don't mind Northstar and Aurora so far, in fact, I like the use of Northstar's snark towards Heather (she freaking deserves it, imo, but wouldn't if Mantlo hadn't written her the way he did).

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I read that as "candles and coke" at first.

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S'okay, I read it as "drugs and candy".

Where are The Daves when you really need 'em?

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

S'okay, I read it as "drugs and candy".

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I promise not to bring them for dinner.

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

Where are The Daves when you really need 'em?

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"RAZETHETOWNMY****CAKES!"

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I don't mind Northstar and Aurora so far, in fact, I like the use of Northstar's snark towards Heather (she freaking deserves it, imo, but wouldn't if Mantlo hadn't written her the way he did).

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Not to 50! Not to 50!

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I promise not to bring them for dinner.



"RAZETHETOWNMY****CAKES!"

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Ah...my grin could not get any bigger.

I am going to tell myself that Heather is just in a different stage of grieving. Like, that weird stage that must occur at some point after losing your significant other, where you convince yourself that you are better than, and it's okay to talk poorly about, your deceased significant other.

Ah, yes, the stages of grief:
Denial Bargaining Depression AcceptanceWrath Envy Pride Pestilence War Famine Death Slaughter Dopey Sneezy

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

Ah, yes, the stages of grief:
Denial Bargaining Depression AcceptanceWrath Envy Pride Pestilence War Famine Death Slaughter Dopey Sneezy

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Aren't those also the stages of matrimony?

Somehow, I am supposing that "AcceptanceWrath" must be MUCH angrier than just wrath by itself, only you are okay with it.

You guys are fantastic. <3

Sometimes we're Uncanny, Amazing & Astonishing.

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Originally Posted by Phil

Sometimes we're Uncanny, Amazing & Astonishing.

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And awesome and adorable.
But those aren't in any comic book titles, but they still deserve mentioning.

I usually get 'Sinister', but I like uncanny and adorable better. ;)

I get "Bieberlike" and "Mostly Forgettable".

... but you repeat yourself...

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

... but you repeat yourself...

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Don't make me use my AcceptanceWrath on you! :)

Agh! That's the worst kind!

Does Northstar ever stop taking jabs at Heather?
Because I hope not.
It's probably the most entertaining part of Mantlo's run so far.

For the purposes of your question...
I won't answer, you're avoiding all spoilers.

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

For the purposes of your question...
I won't answer, you're avoiding all spoilers.

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Pretty, please?

If you really, really want to know...

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

If you really, really want to know...

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As I have found out.
I read through #39 today. And while I still cannot stand Heather (for the most part), I will say the inclusion of anything Namor/Atlantis is a HUGE plus for me.
I love how he gave Northstar orders, and Northstar didn't obey (not that he really could).
Most of any gripes I have about any of the issues I read today are only minor and pertain to the use of Namor underwater, and not really Alpha Flight.
Maybe I'm just adjusting to the crappiness?

That's not what I was referring to, with Northstar kind of sort of no longer griping at Heather.

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

That's not what I was referring to, with Northstar kind of sort of no longer griping at Heather.

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I am confused then.
I meant snarky jabs at her leadership skills (or lack of).
Because that's what *I* was talking about.
And I noticed a kind of turn away from that in the few issues I read yesterday.
He had some realizations, then later on said something snarky to her again, and then had another small realization of sorts, and was fine after that.

Northstar was always best when he was snarky. His early battles with Walt, but with word and with fist, were some of what drew me to this series.

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Originally Posted by Flightpath07

Northstar was always best when he was snarky. His early battles with Walt, but with word and with fist, were some of what drew me to this series.

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In the very first issue of AF, I didn't think I'd like Northstar OR Aurora because I felt the issue was really dramatic (with her fainting and all of that), but of course I grew fond of both characters as the series went on.
Right now, I live for his snark.
It's one of the only things that has kept me reading Mantlo's run.:(
Because everytime Heather is written to think anything or say anything, I just want to sob.

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Just read all of #32.
Wtf did I just read?

Whhhyyyyyy. WWWWHHHHHYYYYYYY.
PUCK.
WWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

So, seriously, Puck hasn't always been a dwarf?
This has me seriously WTFing.

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Somebody has probably said how it could happen, but if RAZER was inside of Judd since the 1930s, why didn't he try to escape when Judd was nearly disemboweled (in AF vol.1 # 2)? Did he like being inside of Judd then, but just had to get out in AF# 32?

Hang on to something, CJ...it gets even more inconsistent from here.

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

I am confused then.
I meant snarky jabs at her leadership skills (or lack of).
Because that's what *I* was talking about.

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Don't assume my memory of these events is that detailed. I'm thinking, though, that he will stop taking jabs at her eventually.

Also, Garry, you make a good point.

~ Le Messor
"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends."
~ Oscar Wilde

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

Don't assume my memory of these events is that detailed. I'm thinking, though, that he will stop taking jabs at her eventually.

Also, Garry, you make a good point.

~ Le Messor
"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends."
~ Oscar Wilde

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I would never assume such things.

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

In the very first issue of AF, I didn't think I'd like Northstar OR Aurora because I felt the issue was really dramatic (with her fainting and all of that), but of course I grew fond of both characters as the series went on.
Right now, I live for his snark.
It's one of the only things that has kept me reading Mantlo's run.:(
Because everytime Heather is written to think anything or say anything, I just want to sob.

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If you like Northstar's snarkiness, then there are probably more than a few early guest appearances of Alpha Flight that uphold that tradition. I'm thinking perhaps the Machine Man appearance, for instance? I'm sure somebody here who is more knowledgeable about these things could probably point you towards a few of these said guest appearances and such. Most of them are sure to be easier-to-swallow than a lot of Mantlo's run, unfortunately.

I LOVE Northstar's snarkiness...towards Heather. :D

I recently received an order of a bunch of different Northstar-related reads. :D
I wish Aurora was used as much as Northstar is (or has been lately, but he could still use a better part in AXM).

I will be ordering more AF today, so I am probably going to put off reading the rest of what I have for a few days (I only have 7 issues left to read, and I know I will go through those fast).

Much reading has happened in the past week or so.
I made it up to #44 or #45.
Which ever has Sasquatch's return.
So, yeah, Pestilence possessed Snowbird's unborn baby. O_o
Heather had to kill Sasquatchbird, her husband, and her baby O_o
Spirit Snowbird, husband, and baby were accepted by the gods into paradise.
SnowbirdSasquatch returned from the dead because: Pestilence became Sasquatch.
Oh, Smart Alec's body came out of Shaman's pouch possessed by Walter because he had no mind.
All fought SnowbirdSasquatch's body possessed by Pestilence.
Couldn't beat Pestilence so Walter (who was in Box) then possessed SnowbirdSasquatch's body.
Aurora who had just had sexy times with the new and improved Bochs then realizes Walter is back (this may not be in order), asks about his ability to morph into a human.
He does, but he's a woman.
THE END OF WHAT I HAVE READ.

I left out the painful ups and downs of Heather's stupid thought bubbles, and Puck's "OHMYGODILOVEHEATHERBUTSHECANNOTLOVEADWARF" woe moments.

I am not thinking too much about what I just read because WTF.

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

So, yeah, Pestilence possessed Snowbird's unborn baby. O_o
Heather had to kill Sasquatchbird, her husband, and her baby O_o

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Welcome to the worse part of Alpha Flight, for me. Well one of the worse. You still have the Llan the Sorcerer story ahead of you... But this particular story really bothered me, because it just continued to ruin Heather's character of "There's no way to help them - so kill them!" motto. And it was freaking Snowbird. One of my all time favorites...

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

Oh, Smart Alec's body came out of Shaman's pouch possessed by Walter because he had no mind.

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Begs to question, what happened to Smart Alec's mind...

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

THE END OF WHAT I HAVE READ.
I left out the painful ups and downs of Heather's stupid thought bubbles, and Puck's "OHMYGODILOVEHEATHERBUTSHECANNOTLOVEADWARF" woe moments.
I am not thinking too much about what I just read because WTF.

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Keep reading. It gets worse, then eventually better. And a little confusing. Then a lot confusing.

Oh! And I forgot to mention Purple Girl and the mind-rapey thing she did to Northstar.
And how Heather's freaking fantastic comment about how he was only upset because it was a girl.
HOW AWESOME WAS THAT?!?!

That was an even larger WTF reading moment for me than Heather killing SasquatchBird, her husband, and her baby. <---Not that that didn't WTF me, but Heather just cannot get much more stupid at this point to me.

Oh, and AURORA.
All the jokes and thought bubbles at the expense of Northstar's sexuality.
*siiiigggghhhhh*

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Originally Posted by Crackity Jones

That was an even larger WTF reading moment for me than Heather killing SasquatchBird, her husband, and her baby. <---Not that that didn't WTF me, but Heather just cannot get much more stupid at this point to me.

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We agree.

And that, Crackity, is why people hate Mantlo's run so.

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Originally Posted by Le Messor

And that, Crackity, is why people hate Mantlo's run so.

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No, not me. At first, I hated it mainly because of the art; very dark, creepy, and ink-y. Yuck. His writing style and his disregard for the characters? - I learned to hate that a bit later.