Excellent so BRB is 100% on the team
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Excellent so BRB is 100% on the team
FYI Aries is joining the Mighty Avengers the second Avengers book coming out
I wish they hadn't killed off Sasquatch. I thought he was always a pretty cool character. I don't mind Shaman as much, since we have Talisman who's going to be using his pouch anyways.
I really hope that down the line Persuasion joins this team. She's my favorite Alpha Flight member. I'll definately pick this book up if she's ever in it. Otherwise, I'm going to have to pass. I learned my lesson after buying the last Alpha Flight book to come out. This book (much like the last one) has way too few orginal Alpha Flight characters.
While I'm disappointed by BRB as a member I am hoping Box will show up. I still think the Cap clone is not the real Cap. Won't he still be in the New Avengers series? So this has to be another Cap. knock off, like Canadas version of US Agent. Although the sheild is a little too close to the originals. The Exiles take place in Marvel continuity don't they? Maybe that is a Guardian from one of the Marvel Earths that the Exiles encountered... just a little speculative thinking. Not likely, but stranger things have happened.
I can deal with a new Guardian and hope that is the real Talisman.
I could see Persuasion joining the RunawaysQuote:
Originally Posted by Flameworthy
I think she's a little too old for the Runaways. She must be in her late teens or early 20's by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Mungi
Late teens I would sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Flameworthy
Yeah, most likely. Seeing as how she was introduced when she was around 13 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Mungi
Awright, let's see-
Lots of this may have already been said, but I have less than 20 minutes here, so I can't read the whole thread-
1) AWESOME!!!
2) Sorry that it seems to be Mac ad not Heather wearing the suit, but what the hell... IT 'S SOMEONE old-school, by god.
3) BRB? All whining about "second-stringers" aside, he's proven a match for Thor time after time. Which means that Omega's going to have a straightforward powerhouse- And I hope that's the Talisman we know and love, but I will frankly take just about anything at this point.
4) Of all the characters in that picture, I see a maximum of three (if that's an oddball Talisman) who would be actively fleeing the post-CW fallout. BRB has no reason to run (he's not a U.S. citizen, he's a friggin' space alien), Guardian is Guardian, and there's a very good chance that Talisman is someone from either Europe or maybe, maybe. Canada.
So yeah. I'm pumped. Pumped because it looks like we're going to get a serious treatment this time around.
It'd be awesome if they could at least run into her or other former members as they travel to different cities, just to see where they are and what they are up to. Maybe give the better ones memberships or keep them as contacts. If something is happening in Toronto, she could let them know the story or call for help. It's such a big country and there's so many former members, it'd be nice to hear from them often!Quote:
Originally Posted by Flameworthy
Now that we know it's officially Beta Ray, I can't wait to see him smack down some major Marvel characters. It was nice to have a semi-goddess in Snowbird, but she could never take on and beat a character like Thor :D
That prospect doesn't thrill me.Quote:
Originally Posted by mreeez
I hope the heck it isn't or I'm really not going to get this series. It better be Elizabeth Twoyoungmen.Quote:
Originally Posted by mreeez
True...I hope it's a Canadian too(preferably Mac...and hopefully Mike can write him).Quote:
Originally Posted by mreeez
Dana
I truly think It's James Hudson, and Elizabeth Twoyoungmen.
That would be a good start with them having two Americans and an outer space guy on the team. Really the two most powerful are James and Elizabeth out of those 5.
So the guy who owns this board got married and has news to tell us when he gets back, about Omega Flight? Great!
I really hope its Mac since he is one of my favourite characters.
I also hope that Heather, Major Mapleleaf and Puck II survived the confrontation with the Collective.
I was still not totally sold on this new Canadian superhero team until I finished reading the interview at Newsarama. What sold it for me?
NRAMA: Now, assuming this is the line-up – though perhaps minus an addition or two - a lot of characters associated with Alpha Flight in the past aren’t present. What role – if any – will characters line Heather Hudson, Puck, Sasquatch, Northstar, and Aurora, etc… play in this series?
MO: Oh, we will be seeing them again soon enough.
Now Im 100% commited to this title...and visiting these message boards. ;)
From Oeming on his boards:
Re: Omega Fligth Details!
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Originally Posted by gelf13
Awesome pic. But there are only 2 canadians on the team?
You see 2? I only see one
I think he's referring only to the Maple Leaf on Guardian, so he sees only one. You can see only one American too, unless a star on a shield doesn't say American to you.
Beta Ray Bill of course isn't a national. But just because of what he said, don't think it's not James and Elizabeth. See one flag, but have two Canucks.
i absolutely love the fact that oeming is out there marketing the new title on every site creating a buzz.
defitanetly did not see this kind of buzz for series 2 or 3.
btw, very interesting comment from his latest interview:
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MO: Alright, I'll do what I can, but I can’t give solid answers yet. The main reason is that fans and doubters alike are having a great time guessing and coming up with great reasons to why their guesses are right and I don’t want to ruin that yet. Also, I'll give a scoop here and now - some minor changes are still taking place that could affect the line up. Not in taking people out, but adding someone not in the promo already done!
sasquacth.
please.
btw, i need some help. i want to catch up on beta ray bill. anyone know the lastest series he has showed up in?
also thinking of getting the thor: bloodoath tpb just to see how oeming/kollins work together.
Stormbreaker, a BRB mini by Oeming.Quote:
Originally Posted by varo
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You will be shocked with his power, even taking on Stardust and seriously smaking him around.
Actually, given the probable fallout from Civil War, BRB being in Canada makes a lot of sense....
Well, this is exciting news. I'm disappointed at the lack of "classic Alpha" characters in the lineup... but at least it's a decent creative team, Marvel seems to be taking the book seriously, and the concept seems sound.
Now I absolutely have to get around to updating the Guide.
Would Talisman consider herself Canadian or Native American?
Dag! Now I gots no reason to do my retro-Alpha Flight story!
"Omega Flight," eh? That'll work. Give it three issues? Can do. Old Alpha Flight in flashback? Works for me. Ignoring vol. 3?
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Here's a like to the latest interview that a previous poster mentioned.
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=82888
Speculate on!
Would Talisman consider herself Canadian or perhaps Native Canadian. Using the term Native Canadian would be like referring to Nelson Mandela as African-American.
I'm not to sure about the line-up or the name change, but I agree with Oeming that the team has lost credibility over the years due ot a successive string of poor writers. Wiping the slate clean may open the door to something ... better, in the long run.
As for Beta Ray Bill; I didn't quite get Oeming's rationale for him being there. I can appreciate his prescence from a Norse-Vinland angle... the Norse having made regular journeys to the lands that would become Canada until the Little Ice Age at last closed off their passage.
Don't know whats up at all with the Cap looking guy, except that it has been stated repeatedly that this is NOT Steve Rogers/Cap... who shall remain down south and thus in character.
Speaking of the real Cap; I sure didn't like Oeming's suggestion that conscientious folk that come to Canada to avoid US ideological wars are "cowards", but that is neither here nor there. However, so-called "cowards" do beat drones and idiots all to hell.
Hmmm.... I wonder if the reverse real world trend will be explored... Canadians making their way south to sign on with the US military.
Not likely, eh?
I would think that she would consider herself, culturally, a member of whatever Native Indian tribe she stems from first. And then as a citizen of the economic and political multi-national state that is known as Canada second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill P
So Mike Oemings comment that he could only see one Canadian in that picture could be misleading. Guardian = Canadian. Talisman = Sarcee/Native American.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill P
Just a thought.
I think Liz thinking of herself as Sarcee would be really pushing it. She grew up in the suburbs with the very "white" McNeils. I suppose she may have grown closer to her roots this past while (we haven't seen her since v1 #130 after all) but to this reader it would feel pretty tacked-on.
I think see means the Canadian flag uniform. You can't "see" what most of the other characters are, so no biggie.
It's Talisman. Or, maybe maybe, Snowbird. Canadian either way.
I figure Beta Ray Bill is their maybe because of the first enemy they face, and he is on Earth anyway so he might as well do something. Cold space, cold Canada (at times).
For me the name change makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Powersurge
True fans' gripes about volume two and three were Alpha Flight in title only and failed because they didn't contain Alpha Flight.
Here we have a book that while respectful of the team, the title and the characters, isn't claiming to be the same book and isn't making the same mistakes.
Alpha's biggest draw for me was always it's dysfunctional family of misfit heroes, so I can see the line up working.
True enough... echoeing as it does what I posted about wiping the slate "clean" so to speak, ie. eliminating the preconceived notions/expectations.
Of course, as "the saying" goes... "praise the day at dusk, the ice once crossed, the maid when married".
I'm certainly willing to give the title a try. It'll give me a comic to buy once Civil War is all tied up!
First let me say this is the best news I've heard in a very long time. It sounds like Oeming is planning to pay Alpha Flight the respect they have earned. As long as that remains a constant in his writing I don't think any of the long time fans will be displeased. Yeah we want to see our old favorites, but if the writing is good and it pays homage to the past I can live with it. I'm stoked to see Talisman in there. I always loved her. And I'm very interested to see who else might be in there. I'd be surprised if the Thor character is a Box-bot. That seems to be asking a bit much. I mean Jefferies was still quite mad last I saw him. Doesn't really make sense for him to be helping out. And if it is Julia Carpenter from West Coast Avengers/Force Works, I'll be extremely happy as well. I always enjoyed her character. As a single mom, she may also play into the Hudson orphan saga. As for Steve Rogers vs. USAgent, it really makes little difference. At least Cap I guess doesn't have USA in his moniker. He could be construed as a hero for all of the Americas (even though he never has been before). For that matter it could be Clint Barton. He's done the startup team before. Anyway as stated I am extremely excited about this. I will be hitting the comic shop again. It's been about 8 months now. And this book is what will get me there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canucklehead
Yeah, but this has worked before with villains like Hawkeye for instance. It definitely would lead to some serious internal conflict down the road though. Imagine Mac actually slipping out of a coma to find out that the Mad Mailman has stolen his dream. I can see him gunning for the Collective with every resource available to him and possibly even crossing the line himself. Especially if Heather did not make it off of the frozen tundra alive. Could be the beginnings of a very powerful rival. Pehaps Mac could even pick up the mantle of The Master or AntiGuardian to bring the battle to the Collective. I'd accept that!
It's been confirmed by Mike that it's Beta Ray Bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barnacle13
That might be very true. I recall the earliest issues which had Liz in them, and she didn't appear to want anything to do with her father or the heritage he offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMK
Of course, this might all be hair-splitting. While we might appreciate the fine nunace between cultural identity and "political affiliation", ie. citizenship within a multi-national state, Oeming may or may not have chosen to represent that nuance.
Of course, to be "Canadian" means to allow everyone their culture and heritage, ie. a multi-cultural/-national state, but if one identifies overly much with the state, like it is a true nation or nation-state, well, they are then left with a "culture of abscence" in which their own cutlural identity is reduced to little more than letting everyone else have their cultural identity, political parties and institutions, legislation, and taxes.
Anyway, it might thus not even be an issue of how the Native Indian looking woman in the promo-pic see's herself, but more an issue of how Oeming see's her, or how he see's her seeing herself, or probably most likely what he is willing to give away at the moment.
Hello folks, thought I'd finally register with the big news.
I'm glad to see a new series, though I'm not thrilled with the apparant lack of past Alpha mainstays, however, we could see that change over time.
As for the bit about "only seeing one Canadian" I think the poster who mentioned that the characters are obscured so we can't know for sure who they were is on the money. Its also a clever way to create discussion and anticipation for the book.
The other possibility, of course, is that there is a non-Canadian in the Guardian suit, which I don't think would be very well received. Putting say, an Australian in Captain America's uniform isn't a good idea, and the same holds true for Guardian's suit IMO.
saw this on another board and it sounds like a incredible idea.
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I really hope to see an aliance between Canada, Wakanda, and Atlantis as a watch-dog group to oppose America when S.H.I.E.L.D. shows their true evil intentions. I can see Canada playing a role with Omega Flight to help Wakanda Unify all of Africa under King T'challa and the Goddess, Storm!
i mean think about it, your neighbors to the south are having a war between their heroes that will not only effect your borders but international boarders outside of north america. a alliance with other nations forming a watchdog group to keep a eye on and possibly hold back what is going on makes great sense.
I figure Mr. Oeming will write Omega Flight to stand on its own. Alliances with the Russian Super Soldiers, Big Hero Six, China Force, and even Black Air (can't see Excalibur on side) would be cool at times. the anti-SHIELD good guys. Could make an awesome lineup to face down whatever SHIELD could throw at them when SHIELD is on another world-controlling binge. :shock:
Elizabeth Twoyoungmen was foretold to be the Talisman, even before putting on the coronet she had power (absorbing Ranaq's mystical attack and returning it, being able to look into Shaman's medicine pouch without harm) so it's not supposed to be the sort of deal Thor's hammer has. Yeah, Shaman replaced Elizabeth as the Talisman once, but I chalk that up to poor writing/lack of research.Quote:
Originally Posted by mreeez
If Elizabeth isn't Talisman in OF (assuming it is Talisman) then the series will be off to a bad start IMO.
True enough, hard to think it's not Talisman, or at the 'left-fieldish' Snowbird with mixed-up powers.
Wouldn't it be funny if December's solicits included Omega Flight? I know, it won't be out that early for sure, but it would keep the fire stoked.
Not sure why people want Guardian to be a lame American mailman and Talisman to be... someone else. Can't see how the book would be better with that silliness. Even if we think USAgent makes no sense, it's hard to believe that's not him in the pic, too.
Otherwise who's the character with links to AF past? USAgent. A jerk with a bad attitude? USAgent. A member who survived Bendis? Mac Hudson. A character with links to the team? Talisman.
Really, only the Spider-Woman is more of a mystery right now.