It could be Marrina, after her latest death just doesn't want to go through it again; or Shaman, who wants to stay out of Talisman's way; or a Hudson, who resents how they were brought back.
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It could be Marrina, after her latest death just doesn't want to go through it again; or Shaman, who wants to stay out of Talisman's way; or a Hudson, who resents how they were brought back.
Maybe it's Snowbird. She's killed Sasquatch in the past on orders from her family. It could be the gods aren't happy with how AF is brought back and feel they should remain dead.
It's the Purple Girl (hey, they didn't say a CURRENT member of AF was unhappy with the resurrections...); she is still mad at Whitman for dumping her, so she wants all of AF dead, dead, dead. lol.
Someone from Alpha Flight wants the (dead) members of Alpha Flight to stay dead? I wish I were above saying "I told you not to get your hopes up too high," but this doesn't sound promising, to me. I hope I'm wrong.
Maybe it's just me being overly optimistic, but with comic book sales slipping I can't believe even Joe Q would be dumb enough to kill off a new source of sales. We've literally spent years telling Marvel what we want and it sounds like we're finally going to get it (well at least a one-shot of it). But if this is a "one and you're done" then all they will have accomplished with this is to piss off and alienate a hardcore group of customers, and I for one will wash my hands of Marvel comics once and for all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
However, this one-shot, IMO, is just a way to bring back AF so that, if sales warrant it, there can be an ongoing. Unless they're lying (yes, I know their track record) they've even said as much, so I don't think AF will be killed off at the end. More than likely the team will end up at a crossroads where they have to decide what they do with their new lives, setting everything up for an ongoing or at least leaving it off that the characters are back in the rotation.
I agree, Legerd. But at the same time, I never count my Canadian chickens until the Marvel execs have gotten their feathered butts off of them! "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
It's probably too optimistic to hope that AF's going to get an ongoing out of this. But if the response is good, Marvel might go the "series of mini-series" route with it, like they did for GLA, Prince of Power, Power Pack, etc. That'd suit me just fine.
i agree. the ghost rider mini and winter guard mini were good reads ( though I dont know what happened to Vostok and Perun) A mini here and there is better then no AF
Definitely would be a start. I just put up a new post concerning The Enigma Force in the Other Comics section. The reason I mention it is because the Enigma Force is made up of most of the core team of The Micronauts. Remember them? This will be their second mini-series both tied to but easily read separately from the Hulk books. Seems like a gradual build up to a possible ongoing to me and if they take this road with Alpha Flight it's fine with me also.
I'm having to reign myself in too...I'd hate to get too excited about Alpha coming back (and I was really getting excited about it), only to have Marvel yank them away again (if such a thing happens). I'm going to try and just face things as they come (good or bad) and enjoy what I can from it.
Dana
But is it... a Dark Reign?Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
No, I didn't just say that. Really.
- Le Messor
Calvin: Oh, you'd rather blow the evening cooking and washing dishes than spend a few bucks?
Dad: It seems like we go out for pizza a lot these days.
Mum: If you'd rather fix a dish of cereal at home, be my guest.
HA!
I have a poster of that.Quote:
But is it... a Dark Reign?
And now I AM a poster about that!
Dana, please update me. Hopefully, they are coming back for good.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
Nobody knows for sure. Not yet.
I don't know if anyone ever posted this, but I'm tired and I bet they did, from Formspring 5 months ago. Jim McCann. A refresher of what might be.
Who is your favorite international superhero?
Blacksad. If you mean Marvel- almost all of Alpha Flight.
All but Puck?
Wow! 10 pages is hard to get through... But early on people were suspecting THE MASTER to be the villain for the one shot... But I suspect it's Dream Queen, since we see in Chaos War, that Nightmare is killed... and if I remember correctly, Dream Queen is either the daughter or something to Nightmare?
Yep, Dreamqueen is Nightmare's daughter...and also technically she is her own mother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
Perhaps it's Llan, as they said it's the canadian version of the Devil.
I sincerely hope not.Quote:
Originally Posted by -K-M-
That was - by far - the worse story of Alpha Flight history. Bad story. Bad art. Bad everything.
I doubt it's either, really...I'm still thinking it's the Master, since Jim seems to have a fondness for the Byrne original team.
Dana
The Great Beasts?
The Good Beasts?
The okay beasts?
- Le Messor
"Self-pity is a terrible first course. Why don't you try the soup instead?"
- Christine Chappel
Yeah...It could be Somon, perhaps? What other villain is their "devil"?...Caliber (LOL)? Pink Pearl (Ha!)?
Dana
Oh yeah, and I remember I saw the Beasts (including, specifically, Somon) in that picture of Reilly Brown's desk!
- Le Messor
"How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you’re on."
I wouldn't consider The Master Alpha Flight's "Devil." I would consider Master more what Magneto is to the X-Men. So while he does seem to favor the original Alpha Flight, I have a feeling with a story like this Master wouldn't fit in - it would need to be something bigger - and since it begins with Nightmare's death, I could see how he would use DreamQueen to tie her in (and perhaps even elevate her power level and threat level to essentially replace Nightmare).Quote:
Originally Posted by cmdrkoenig67
Ah...Nightmare dies? When and where did this happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
BTW, you thought Llan was the worst? How about Puck going from long pants to short pants in the middle of a story? Or Aurora fighting the Sentinels in her (Byrne) summer suit, but the books before and after have her in Ross's purple suit? Or Vindicator killing Narya with technologically-based weapons (and failing to save her son)? Or...
Well he "dies" as much as anyone "dies" in comics (right). I believe this happens in Chaos War #1 or so? It's in the CHAOS WAR issues anyway. Might be the wrong issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry/Al-Fan
As for Puck's pants... bad editing... Aurora's fight... bad editing... Vindicator killing Narya... admittedly, probably the second worse moment in Alpha Flight history (as Snowbird and Shaman were always my favorites)... but I knew, if anyone would/could come back - being a half-goddess, that she WOULD come back. But the Llan story? The writing was something I would have written when I was like 14 and like thinking of like the worse "Satanic" type story I could think of... with people everywhere dying and dead... but it was so bland... so VERY bland... and to top it off... I thought the art was absolutely weak... And it could be, because by the time this happen, Alpha Flight, as a team and comic, was pretty severely damaged... (I didn't care for the World Tour arc either...)
To be fair, the Llan story arc suffered for the same reasons Omega Flight suffered. It was going to be a much longer story arc, then the writer got told, after the first issue of the arc was published, that he was being replaced on the series and he had to wrap everything up in three issues or some nonsense like that.
Again, interference from on high ruined everything.
I will freely admit, a part of my problem was how Llan looked. The whole mohawk thing... and his costume... I would have hoped someone who was demonic was going to be all out demonic... the potential to make the next Mephisto was there (and if you think of Mephisto, he's a pretty simple looking character) - but it works. I think with Llan, the mohawk, the silly blue/red outfit... I was like the only thing this guy is killing is someone dying of laughter. I think it was a mixture that he was so damaging (his origin story - started good, with the people finding the statue thing, if I remember correctly)... So the fact that it may have got nixed early on might explain why the rest of the story seemed to falter so horribly... the artist (if responsible for the design) also failed though, in making Llan as fearsome in appearance as he could have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightpath07
Am I the only one who thinks Llan looked down right silly?
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I'll be the first to admit Llan's costume was terrible but it was James Hudnall's AF run that brought me back! As for John Calimee's artwork on the series it too wasn't the best but I'll take it over Michael Bair's run any day!
Which arc was Bair's?Quote:
Originally Posted by maniac mike
What we're talking about is Executive Meddling. I think there's, like, one example in the history of ever where it's worked out for the best.
I didn't much care for the Llan story either, but I don't know if I'd call it the worst in AF history. I'm not sure what I would, though.
Best was #s 7 and 8, first series.
That would be where everybody constantly looked constipated. The twisted, contorted poses, the expressions... ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
I still like Calimee's art back then less than his. (Calimee's art now is good.)
- Le Messor
Buffy: How long do you think that he can stay angry at me anyway?
Willow: The emotional marathon man?
For me, Calimee was one of the worst. Definitely made my top-ten list of worst AF artists ever. And, when i say "worst", I mean 'worst artists', not as in 'he is a bad person'.Quote:
Originally Posted by maniac mike
Calimee was also my least favorite AF artist. John is a great guy, and is the first to admit that his work on AF was not good:
From John Calimee's interview with Del for AlphaFlight.net:
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I finished all six pages. I would never have gotten work otherwise. The drawing was awful but I have a feel for clear story telling. That was my saving grace. Out of the kindness of their hearts, I got work. Including my notorious, much vilified run on Alpha-Flight. What can I say? Yes, my run on Alpha-Flight was awful. Bad. Bad. Bad. When they shipped the pages back to me, I destroyed them as fast as I could.
As heinous as it was on multiple levels, I'd say Jim "there are no homosexual characters at Marvel comics" Shooter's 11th-hour veto of Mantlo's plan to kill Northstar off inadvertently worked in the character's favor. It's a lot easier to retcon away a hastily slapped-together bit of storytelling than it is your company's first gay character dying of AIDS. Also, I was relieved when Chuck Austen said his plans to give Northstar a boyfriend had been nixed. In principle, I approved of Northstar finally getting a homosexual romantic interest, but Austen's handling of the character was so dire, I was glad he wasn't going to get his grubby mitts on him more than he had already. And, as much as I generally adore their writing, I'm glad Weir and DeFillipis weren't allowed to kill off Northstar's protege over in New Mutants (even, again, if it was a case of Marvel's editors being skittish rather than progressive).Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
And agreed on issues #7 & 8; those are tied for X-Men/Alpha Flight: The Gift for best AF story in my book.
Another good flipside of editorial meddling is that the properties being used are given higher regard than the writers' egos. Nowadays, there's new costumes every issue writers are allowed to back characters into a corner and kill them willy-nilly. The development of the Marvel Universe as a whole was much better under shooter. I know he was a dictator and had some questionable views, but I miss Powers-that-be with long term vision.
Ugh...The black speedo and itty bitty booties is part of the awful too (for me, at least). I felt the art was pretty bad and I really didn't like Hudnall's writing either...I didn't like Bair's work too...Blargh! BTW: Seeing Calimee's artwork now, I'm very happy to see he has improved so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tawmis
Dana
I can honestly say that I have yet to see anymore of those "unique" flying poses like Bair's, or big toes on costumes for that matter either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Le Messor
I couldn't stand the fact that they looked like they were wearing costumes made of leotard material and no shoes! There was nothing durable-looking about those costumes as Bair drew them. As much as I like the shape of a woman, he even drew them somewhat obscenely in those costumes. Thankfully we weren't treated with more graphic details of what men in that material really would have looked like from the waist down...
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by kozzi24